not that many of you care...

nobody · Post by **nobody** » June 14, 2004, 9:49 am

... but i finally get to go home soon. i've learned a few things and while i have a rare minute wanted to say how sad i am. i feel bad that a country that once had so much potential has turned into what it has. i have a new appreciation for different cultures and why they do things they do and think the way they do. something i realize as well is there are many more places that unfortunately don't get the same attention this place does. when i first got here i was ready to kill all the terrorists i could. now however i am much more interested in helping the people here and providing them with a foundation that they can build a better life for their families on. just getting rid of the terrorists won't help anything and i'm glad others here see it that way. it was a huge mistake we made when the russians left. anyway, my thoughts have been pretty random so i apologize but wanted to say i've had my eyes opened. that said i cant wait to crack open my first beer when i get home.

ps war sucks and so does kyo

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » June 14, 2004, 10:37 am

Nice to hear, my cousin in the special forces was actually sent for a second tour in afghanistan. From what i hear the country is quickly turning into shit. If only the US put all its efforts into afghanistan, which was a justified war opposed to abandoning it and starting shit in Iraq, the middle east would be in a much better position

but of course, resgrdless of hostility towards saddam and Iraq, this dumbass admin. rushes into war in an impirial manner and abandons countrys invaded as recently as afghanistan

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » June 14, 2004, 1:34 pm

Good to know you get to go home! Makes you really feel for people who find themselves in war-torn countries and realize "this IS my home". Makes you thankful for what you have, and really want to do something to help these people. Just seeing these things on the news, which can't compare to the reality keeps me humble when I think about how it could just as easily have been me in those situations.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 14, 2004, 5:21 pm

I hope you get hit by a cluster bomb. then you'll really have an appreciation of other cultures in the region you're in.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 14, 2004, 8:59 pm

Don't pay attention to Kyocunt. Many Americans appreciate your service. I personally thank you.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » June 15, 2004, 12:06 am

Xzion, is he in 3rd group? if so he's the one replacing my ass, lol. those guys are no joke. as much as i look forward to going home, they have sacrificed way more out here than anyone else. most of these guys are coming out here for their 3rd fucking time. and AF isn't turning to shit really. it could go OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS better but considering what we have to work with we're doing all right. politicians shouldnt run wars. and thank you all but i dont feel like i've given up that much. the american military is spoiled. we get as much food and water as we can eat. and we get paid better than anyone else i've met out here. have to give props to the Czechs and the Kiwi's.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 15, 2004, 12:51 am

kyoukan wrote:I hope you get hit by a cluster bomb. then you'll really have an appreciation of other cultures in the region you're in.

I hope you get skull fucked by a few terrorist. Then and only then can you realize your full potental or worth.

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » June 15, 2004, 2:54 am

This reminds me of a letter I read from a guy in the military. He stated that he didn't care if you supported the war in Iraq, but the least you could do is care about your fellow American who is willing to die to defend you.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 15, 2004, 8:53 am

Markulas wrote:This reminds me of a letter I read from a guy in the military. He stated that he didn't care if you supported the war in Iraq, but the least you could do is care about your fellow American who is willing to die to defend you.

Defending you from what exactly?

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » June 15, 2004, 8:59 am

Defending you from what exactly?

I really hope your playing dumb cause if your not then your an idiot.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 15, 2004, 9:00 am

Denadeb wrote:
Defending you from what exactly?
I really hope your playing dumb cause if your not then your an idiot.

No, seriously, what are they defending you from. Do you know what threat Iraq posed?

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » June 15, 2004, 9:05 am

Try and get past the thing with Iraq for 2 fucking minutes.

who is willing to die to defend you

Thats the part you should read into not the reast. Willing to die to defend you from anything that comes about.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 15, 2004, 9:11 am

So they're willing to die. Kudos for them. Now, if you can answer the question I originally asked and you countered, please do so. What are they defending you from in Iraq?

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » June 15, 2004, 9:17 am

Your original question didn't say shit about Iraq don't try to change it now.

Defending you from what exactly?

Thats your original question.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 15, 2004, 9:20 am

If you can't answer the question just say so, but quit stalling. Do you or don't you know?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 15, 2004, 9:20 am

Dregor Thule wrote:
Markulas wrote:This reminds me of a letter I read from a guy in the military. He stated that he didn't care if you supported the war in Iraq, but the least you could do is care about your fellow American who is willing to die to defend you.
Defending you from what exactly?

Ill Answer it for him tubby, He is defending a way of life. He is defending the right for you my fat one to keep hitting those 3.99 Sizzler Buffets 3 times a day that you frequent. He is defending your right to super size your biggie fucking fries El Tubbo. So put down your wireless keyboard and take a walk it will do you some good. Hey By the way do you go into cold sweats when the airlines assign you a middle seat?

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 15, 2004, 9:28 am

Those are some great abstract concepts, but what is he defending his way of life from? Were some Iraqis going to throw sand at him? The invasion of Afghanistan was reasonable; they really were aiding those who were threatening your country. But Iraq? Other than not liking you guys, they don't seem to have had much of an active role in any plots on your lives.

So I ask, yet again, what are they defending you from? This should be easy, you guys must have given this sort of thing plenty of thought already.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 15, 2004, 9:39 am

Dregor Thule wrote:Those are some great abstract concepts, but what is he defending his way of life from? Were some Iraqis going to throw sand at him? The invasion of Afghanistan was reasonable; they really were aiding those who were threatening your country. But Iraq? Other than not liking you guys, they don't seem to have had much of an active role in any plots on your lives.

So I ask, yet again, what are they defending you from? This should be easy, you guys must have given this sort of thing plenty of thought already.

Listen oh Large one, As im sure you will refute. There is evidence that Iraq has or had ties with known terrorist, they REFUSED to follow the UN treaty and were a threat to world and US safety. Now you will say " But there is no way there medium range missles could harm the US" and your right they cant harm the US proper. But they can harm U.S citizens in the middle east which we are responsable to protect. So in a nutshell Sir Gunt A Lot it is in our best intrest to attack Iraq if you dont like it well tough shit go join Al Queda and fight the good fight.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 15, 2004, 9:50 am

Ok, a real answer. Sort of. Now of course there's just as much of this so-called evidence showing American governments having or formerly having ties to know terrorists as well. There's also terrorists holed up in most countries in the world. To my knowledge, and I'll try and find something to refute this, there hasn't been any evidence produced showing a link between Al-Qaeda and the former Iraqi government. Not saying I'd be shocked if there was by any stretch of the imagination. But it still seems to me to be a flaggrant waste of human life and resources to invade a country halfway across the world that may or may not have ties to an organization.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 15, 2004, 10:07 am

Dregor Thule wrote:Ok, a real answer. Sort of. Now of course there's just as much of this so-called evidence showing American governments having or formerly having ties to know terrorists as well. There's also terrorists holed up in most countries in the world. To my knowledge, and I'll try and find something to refute this, there hasn't been any evidence produced showing a link between Al-Qaeda and the former Iraqi government. Not saying I'd be shocked if there was by any stretch of the imagination. But it still seems to me to be a flaggrant waste of human life and resources to invade a country halfway across the world that may or may not have ties to an organization.

Just curious what would you have us do? Sit on our hands? DO you relize this man has kille 100's of thousands of hiw own people? He has proved time and time again to be a unstable force in the middle east. So you say the US put him in power? Fine then! I say we made him we have the rigt to unmake him.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 15, 2004, 10:25 am

You know, all of those who think soldiers should be dogged for the mistakes of politicians are ignorant pieces of shit. If a soldier abuses their position like the dumb ass prison guards then they should be fried but painting all soldiers because you do not agree with the policies they defend is moronic at best.

Soldiers in a combat zone die to defend American interests, regardless of anything else and how you feel about those interests they deserve at least some consideration. For those like some of the posters here who feel otherwise, I hope that the lack of a soldier or cop someday leads to you suffering.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 15, 2004, 10:26 am

So now the reason for invading was to protect the lives of the Iraqi people? It was to clean up your own mess? What about the threat they posed to America, what happened to that one. I'm not trying to be a smartass here, it's just tough to follow when there's so much waffling going on.

I realize Sadam was a piece of shit. I'd never argue otherwise. He deserves to have his head cut off and for people to line up to shit down his throat. What would I have done about it? I would have continued to work through diplomatic channels and through the UN. I don't believe in these kinds of pre-emptive invasions. If there's enough proof that they're readying to attack Americans, then sure, you have justifiable reasons to start blowing them to shit. The fallout from this war are going to be something you guys will be dealing with for years to come.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 15, 2004, 10:36 am

Personally I feel we should have rescinded the presidential letter that stops us from headhunting foreign heads of state and then executed Saddam Hussein quietly.

It would have cost 25-50k not 250billion and would have accomplished the same result. Unless of course it leaked.

But seriously, it is really easy for people living in secondary countries ( not a slam but in terms of economic, political and military might) to pick on leading nations because their foreign policy is limited to fishing rights. It is the same as little whiny bitches in EQ complaining about FoH, CT, Legion/ixtlan etc taking kills. If other countries felt they could do it better, then they NEED TO STEP UP OR STEP OFF.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 15, 2004, 10:50 am

Caps lock is auto-pilot for cool. Step up or step off? Yes, we'll forcibly stop the United States from attacking Iraq. What more could we have done other than refuse to go along with it? Considering the close ties between Canada and the States that was a pretty big statement on our part. As for us being a secondary country, great, glad to be if it means not being the USA.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 15, 2004, 10:52 am

Maybe you could have been part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

The US does not want to be the world policeman, I would be glad to see some other country step up to the plate.

Attacking a specific use of caps lock is stupid, get over your missunderstanding of netiquette.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » June 15, 2004, 10:56 am

I think Kylere is saying politely to stop slinging your shit at us from north of the border because, quite frankly, we really don't care.

Have a nice day.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » June 15, 2004, 11:10 am

The US does not want to be the world policeman

It so fucking does.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 15, 2004, 11:25 am

Prove it Tanc, prove it.

I do not want to pay tax dollars to help people in ThirdWorldCountry001, I want to pay tax dollars to help people in the US. I am tired of us being dragged into every piddling little piece of bullshit territory and then having us attacked by the same whiny bitches that said we should have been there in the first place.

Other than remvoing direct threats to the US, I really think the US collectively is sick of fixing all the problems the rest of the world whines about and ignores. Fucking Neville Chamberlein taught people nothing, you cannot put off a problem, someone has to address the rabid dog next door or everyone is going to get bit, and I sincerely wish any other country would do the work instead of just reaping the bennies.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » June 15, 2004, 11:41 am

No, I think he's right Kylere. The US does seem to reserve the right to play cop when we want to and it's in our interest. I can't find fault with that statement. I think he's dead on. We always have, clear back to the US involvement in Europe in WWII. Germany didn't bomb Pearl Harbor.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » June 15, 2004, 11:46 am

Kylere wrote: Other than remvoing direct threats to the US, I really think the US collectively is sick of fixing all the problems the rest of the world whines about and ignores. Fucking Neville Chamberlein taught people nothing, you cannot put off a problem, someone has to address the rabid dog next door or everyone is going to get bit, and I sincerely wish any other country would do the work instead of just reaping the bennies.

The thing is, the US will go in and put the rabid dog out of it's misery, then do the same to the owners. Other countries just don't want any part of this. True or not, this is how the world views you (the US).

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 15, 2004, 12:12 pm

Lynks, if this is the case they need to start taking care of their own rabid dogs. No more appeasement until they grow to strong to be handled locally is acceptable.

England tried that in the late 30's and it caused a World War.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » June 15, 2004, 12:13 pm

Dregor, an Iraqi intelligence officer attended the meeting where the terrorist bigwigs planned the 911 attacks.

The threat of regional nuclear weapons in the hands of a expansionist dictator in an area that provides the largest chunk of the world's oil production is a threat to any gas burning nation.

Of course you already knew this, but it seems you've given little weight to these issues in your previous posts.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 15, 2004, 12:20 pm

Attention Kyoukan and Dregor: He was in Afghanistan, not Iraq. You know, the country that was hiding Osama?

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » June 15, 2004, 12:29 pm

That doesn't matter to them man he is a baby killer with an IQ or 3 1/2 and couldn't get a job at Mc Donalds so he joined the military.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 15, 2004, 12:38 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
The US does not want to be the world policeman
It so fucking does.

No it doesnt, Its just that we are the only ones willing or capable of doing it.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 15, 2004, 12:41 pm

Where did I insult nobody or call any soldier a baby killer? I'm talking about you guys, if you know why they're over there. I personally couldn't give two shits who nobody is or where he serves/served. But thanks for the news flash, when I read it I pictured Kermit the Frog reporting it.

Adex. So, summing up what you've said, the hypothetical situation of Sadam somehow getting nuclear weapons is why you invaded? That's really enough to justify going in guns blazing, killing thousands of people? You make baby Jesus cry.

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » June 15, 2004, 12:48 pm

Those were a compilation of insults from a few diff threads. Not necessarily from you but some of your post come across with the same disdain for them.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 15, 2004, 12:55 pm

"Adex. So, summing up what you've said, the hypothetical situation of Sadam somehow getting nuclear weapons is why you invaded? That's really enough to justify going in guns blazing, killing thousands of people? You make baby Jesus cry"

Yes!

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 15, 2004, 1:01 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:Adex. So, summing up what you've said, the hypothetical situation of Sadam somehow getting nuclear weapons is why you invaded? That's really enough to justify going in guns blazing, killing thousands of people? You make baby Jesus cry.

Well if you believe in the Baby Jesus story, then you are of course aware that his father destroyed two cities for daring to sin, and all but Noahs family for daring not to pay attention to him.

Both of those excuses were more flimsy than to deny Nukes to Iraq.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » June 15, 2004, 1:11 pm

masteen wrote:Attention Kyoukan and Dregor: He was in Afghanistan, not Iraq. You know, the country that was hiding Osama?

Oh, the country we bombed the shit out of, and effectively left for dead?

Arilain · Post by **Arilain** » June 15, 2004, 1:12 pm

I thank people like nobody for the sacrifice they endure in the name of the US. Our military is the best trained, paid, and intelligent in the world. As a veteran I totally understand what they go through and if I could I would be there along with them. Most people fail to realise that our millitary is voluntary now. These men and woman know what they are going in for when they raise thier hand and recite the oath.

I support the troops (except for those redneck prison guards) and support the reasons why they are over there. When the military goes into a place they have other missions besides killing the bad guys. In some cases these missions are more important than getting rid of the enemy. Reason being is cause they plant the seeds of hope in a desolate landscape giving others the chance to grow up free of fear.

I don't expect our nieghbors to the north to understand

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 15, 2004, 1:23 pm

Skogen wrote:
masteen wrote:Attention Kyoukan and Dregor: He was in Afghanistan, not Iraq. You know, the country that was hiding Osama?
Oh, the country we bombed the shit out of, and effectively left for dead?

Guess they shouldnt of offered a safe haven for terrorist.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » June 15, 2004, 1:30 pm

Cartalas wrote:
Skogen wrote:
masteen wrote:Attention Kyoukan and Dregor: He was in Afghanistan, not Iraq. You know, the country that was hiding Osama?
Oh, the country we bombed the shit out of, and effectively left for dead?
Guess they shouldnt of offered a safe haven for terrorist.

Now its just a breeding ground for them. What a better way to build a terrorist than by starting with someone who lost there whole family to a US Spectre Gunship attack.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » June 15, 2004, 1:38 pm

Cartalas wrote:
Skogen wrote:
masteen wrote:Attention Kyoukan and Dregor: He was in Afghanistan, not Iraq. You know, the country that was hiding Osama?
Oh, the country we bombed the shit out of, and effectively left for dead?
Guess they shouldnt of offered a safe haven for terrorist.

While I won't make some sweeping assumption that the US "left them for dead" (I doubt they did), saying this is just ignorant. The people paying for it now mostly had nothing to do with terrorism, or harbouring terrorists. I supported the war with the Taliban, and I'm not a fan of nation-building, but it wouldn't hurt the US to clean up a little after itself. That's the whole point of being the good guy... you gotta do what the bad guy wouldn't.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » June 15, 2004, 1:39 pm

You are right, I don't care

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » June 15, 2004, 1:39 pm

Thess wrote:You are right, I don't care

hehe me neither

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » June 15, 2004, 1:48 pm

Dregor...you are not stupid enough to act this ignorant of what they are saying to you. Iraq means jack and shit to the American way of life. They are no direct threat to the United States.

What was being said....and you so conveniently ignore....is that the American soldiers are the ones willing to die to defend their country from any threat. The American soldier...and let me make this clear so even you can understand it......DOES NOT MAKE POLICY OR DECIDE WHERE THEY ARE GOING.

If you need a remedial reading comprehension lesson, I would be more than willing to give you my cell phone number and explain it to you in simple one syllable words...each followed by "eh" so your hockey watching, moulson swilling ass can follow along.

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » June 15, 2004, 2:08 pm

Wow, seriously. I believe that Iraq didn't pose a threat to us, but the job of the military is to protect us. You think that soldier had a choice to either serve in Iraq or Afganistan? Bullshit, give some respect for people ready to die for you.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 15, 2004, 2:17 pm

Skogen wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
Skogen wrote:
masteen wrote:Attention Kyoukan and Dregor: He was in Afghanistan, not Iraq. You know, the country that was hiding Osama?
Oh, the country we bombed the shit out of, and effectively left for dead?
Guess they shouldnt of offered a safe haven for terrorist.
Now its just a breeding ground for them. What a better way to build a terrorist than by starting with someone who lost there whole family to a US Spectre Gunship attack.

No problem it wont take to much to go back in a mop up.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » June 16, 2004, 12:07 am

wow, i wish i could get on more often. not only do myself and even more so fellow soldiers that i support risk their lives for Americans, but for the Afghani's that want a free life as well. the soldiers (don't mistake that with the ploiticians) had the same intentions in Iraq. to allow the people there to enjoy freedom like we do. US soldiers are willing to die not only for Americans but for those less fortunate as well. this is the part where kyou claims we are no better than Saddam. i think those fuckers at the prisons should be burned alive for what they did. they put every American in danger b/c they are worthless SOB's. and as for bombing the shit out of AF. no shit, besides caves, there was NOTHING TO BOMB! the Taliban are the ones that fucked this country over. what i think is funny is AF is afraid we are going to leave, that's what the TB and AQ tell them here. the people want us to stay for a long time and help them. Iraq on the other hand can't wait for us to leave. i'm going to go to the flightline now and stick my thumb out hoping someone feels like giving me a lift.