The Far Left Creed

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 10, 2004, 3:33 pm

(You dems and republicans can duke this one out, it appears to be about 75% factual)

Kirkuk, Iraq: For all the talk about a widening religiosity gap
between the right and the left, sentiment from the left indicates a
certain religious fervor about the war in Iraq. A string of recent
letters and articles from those of a more liberal persuasion suggest
that they choose to ignore or simply do not believe information which
is inconsistent with their basic tenets. Theirs is a policy of faith,
and here is their creed.

We believe in the United Nations, and Kofi Annan, the maker of
international legitimacy.

We believe that the UN inspections worked.
We believe that SCUD missiles fired at U.S. troops minutes after the
war began don't change anything;
We believe that 3 liters of sarin gas used against U.S. troops doesn't
change anything;
We believe that finding evidence of mustard gas doesn't change
anything.

We believe that the war in Iraq conducted by a Republican president
was unjustified because it lacked UN approval;
We believe that the "military action" in Kosovo conducted by a
Democratic president was justified without UN approval.

We believe that the Iraq war was unilateral.
We believe that the participation of Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan,
Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador,
Estonia, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South
Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Netherlands,
New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia,
Spain, Thailand, United Kingdom, and Ukraine does not change the fact
that the war was unilateral;
We believe that multilateralism can only be achieved with the
participation of France and Germany;
We believe in multilateralism.

We believe that this war was motivated by greed and oil;
We believe that when France, Germany, and Russia opposed the war, they
were motivated by principle, and not by sweetheart oil deals or
Oil-For-Food kickbacks;
We believe that US oil prices are too high, and that the
administration failed in its responsibility to do something about it.

We believe that the U.S. may only legitimately use force for
humanitarian ends in one place if it does so in all places where aid
might be needed;
We believe that the U.S. may not quell threats in places where the
cost is relatively low unless it is willing to use force in places
like North Korea, where the cost in lives would likely be very high;
We believe that a humanitarian action is only truly humanitarian if
there are no strategic interests to muddle the altruism.

We believe that President Bush lied.
We believe that Prime Minister Blair lied.
We believe that when Hillary Clinton and Dick Gephardt voted for the
war based on the same intelligence relied upon by Bush and Blair, they
made reasonable decisions based on the intelligence available at the
time.

We believe that the administration did not make the case for war;
We believe that the administration offered many different reasons but
could not offer a coherent message explaining the need to go to war;
We believe that the administration made perfectly clear that the only
reason we were going to war was because of the threat from WMDs.

We believe that there were no WMDs.
We believe that finding sarin gas is 14th page news;
We believe that if the sarin gas is old, then it really isn't a WMD we
were looking for;
We believe that it wasn't really sarin gas;
We believe that sarin gas isn't necessarily a WMD.

We believe that there was no terrorist connection to, or threat from,
Iraq.
We believe that members of Abu Nidal in Iraq would not have committed
terrorist acts if we had not invaded;
We believe that al Qaeda operative Abu Musab al-Zarqawi would not have
committed terrorist acts if we had not invaded;
We believe that Saddam's terrorist training camp at Salman
Pak-complete with a Boeing 707 plane used for hijacking drills-did not
exist or posed no real threat;
We believe that it was merely a coincidence that the pharmaceutical
factory bombed by President Clinton in Sudan was using al Qaeda funds
and a uniquely Iraqi formula to produce VX gas;
We believe that we are responsible for bringing terror on ourselves.

We believe that the prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib is widespread and is
probably the tip of the iceberg;
We believe that Abu Ghraib proves that the America's occupation is no
different than Saddam's tyranny;
We believe that any attempt to suggest that there is a moral
difference between a regime which systematically killed 300,000 people
and tortured countless others and a regime which punished the acts of
Abu Ghraib is illegitimate.

We believe that soldiers deliberately target women and children;
We believe that the soldiers abuse and kill Iraqis because they are
racists;
We support our troops.

We believe that no one should question our statement that we "support
our troops;"
We believe that the best thing that could happen for this country
would be for Bush to lose in November;
We believe that the best way for Bush to lose in November is for the
Iraq effort to go poorly, even if that means that more Iraqis and
troops will die;
We believe that most of the troops are minorities and the poor;
We believe that when the word "heroes" is used to describe our troops,
it should always be enclosed in scare quotes.

We believe in quagmire.
We believe that when fringe Iraqi groups attack hard targets and are
soundly defeated with relatively low Coalition casualties, that this
is inescapable evidence of crisis;
We believe that Iraq is Bush's Vietnam.

We believe that Vietnam is the lens through which all wars should be
viewed.
We believe that soldiers in Vietnam were baby killers;
We believe that John Kerry is a hero for his service in Vietnam.

We believe that because John Kerry is a hero, he necessarily has the
national security expertise necessary to be commander-in-chief.
We believe that any attempt to question his national security
expertise based on his voting record, including his decision to vote
against a supplemental bill used to buy the soldiers body armor, is an
unfair attack on the patriotism of a hero, who by virtue of this
honorific has the expertise to be commander-in-chief.

We believe in the trinity: NPR, CNN, and the New York Times. We
believe in Ted Kennedy, Tom Harkin, John Kerry, and all the DNC, and
we look for President Clinton yet to come. Amen.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » June 10, 2004, 3:46 pm

Pretty much as uninspiring of a list as the list about Bush posted yesterday. It tries to lump a huge amount of individual points together and assign them completely to a broad political category. Any such effort is going fall short and not going to be useful in my opinon.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 10, 2004, 3:47 pm

*yawns*

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 10, 2004, 3:49 pm

Chmee wrote:Pretty much as uninspiring of a list as the list about Bush posted yesterday. It tries to lump a huge amount of individual points together and assign them completely to a broad political category. Any such effort is going fall short and not going to be useful in my opinon.

I agree Chmee but there will be posts about how it is all bullshit or lies by the far lefties on the board, or they will treat it as something valueless, when they were all pro the BS about Bush

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 10, 2004, 4:05 pm

*checks for FF tag*

whew, ok

no comment on the thread, just wanted to remind you that you're still an inbred hick and to keep on being what you are, cool dude.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » June 10, 2004, 6:14 pm

Comparing a philosophy based on reason to one based on self imposed ignorance and superstition is pretty weak. The key difference between your list and the GW one is that this list is a generalization of opinions and the GW one is composed of facts.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » June 10, 2004, 7:50 pm

Chmee wrote:Any such effort is going fall short and not going to be useful in my opinon.

Kylere wrote:I agree Chmee

Nice contribution then.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 10, 2004, 10:55 pm

Jice Virago wrote:Comparing a philosophy based on reason to one based on self imposed ignorance and superstition is pretty weak. The key difference between your list and the GW one is that this list is a generalization of opinions and the GW one is composed of facts.

Actually Jice in stepping back I realize that both lists contain facts, both contain lies, and both are spun differently. But they both have one thing in common, each was written by a lying piece of shit at the far end of the political spectrum.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » June 11, 2004, 12:36 am

Funny.

May paste this link into every GWB sucks thread I can find..

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » June 11, 2004, 5:43 am

A string of recent
letters and articles from those of a more liberal persuasion suggest
that they choose to ignore or simply do not believe information which
is inconsistent with their basic tenets

And conservatives never ever do this ever.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 11, 2004, 8:43 am

Hey Tanc, the point made is that BOTH sides are scum, not that one or the other is scum

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » June 11, 2004, 9:33 am

Black and white are cool, but I prefer shades of grey. Bush isn't Satan incarnate, and the war in Iraq wasn't an out of the blue attack on a peace loving nation that is now in a shambles as a result of America's incursion.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » June 11, 2004, 5:23 pm

Hey Tanc, the point made is that BOTH sides are scum, not that one or the other is scum

Nah, just conservatives.