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Today it is 15 years since the massacre of students at the Tiananmen
Square in China. I remember watching the images live on tv, and I will NEVER forget the guy with two white plastic bags stopping a whole line of tanks. Now that is courage.

It doesn't matter if you are conservative or liberalist, republican or democrat.. we all have a chance to voice our opinions freely without getting shot (well except maybe in some southern states! *ducks*). Personally, I am extremely glad I did not grow up like those students did.. and did not have to face heavy tanks armed with two plastic bags.

Sometimes I think we all forget how lucky we all are.

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The guy had balls, What ever happen to him?


And yes your right Kelshara we are very lucky.
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Those pictures were 30 seconds before a new flavor of Bisquick was produced most likely.
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Good to see the Chinese still carrying on!

(from NYT, full link below) BEIJING, June 3 — Human rights groups and family members said Thursday that several Beijing dissidents had disappeared or been placed under house arrest as part of a government sweep to prevent any protests on the politically sensitive 15th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square crackdown.

Among them is Dr. Jiang Yanyong, who in March wrote a letter calling on the government to admit it was wrong in ordering the military assault against demonstrators in Tiananmen Square that killed hundreds and wounded thousands on June 4, 1989. The letter was widely circulated on the Internet.

Dr. Jiang and his wife, their daughter says, have been missing since Wednesday morning, when they left their Beijing apartment with officials from the government hospital where he works.

Chinese Gov. disappears dissenters

One more snippet: "The Chinese government has long defended its use of force in 1989 as a necessary measure to end a 'counterrevolutionary rebellion'"

Counterrevolutionary Rebellion. Best. Term. Evah. Where's my lil red book?
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Post by Midnyte_Ragebringer »

Typical. You praise others courage, but don't respect America's courage. Everyone else is better right?

Courage to commit suicide? Yeah very courageous. LOL

What's courageous is the American's striving to squash governments like this who destroy their people like this. What's courageous are the US men and women who try and bring the very freedom we take for granted to people like this. What's courageous is the Russian people who are struggling through the beginning decades of freedom. What's courageous are the men and women fighting terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq, a chance for freedom in their wake.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Typical. You praise others courage, but don't respect America's courage. Everyone else is better right?

Courage to commit suicide? Yeah very courageous. LOL

What's courageous is the American's striving to squash governments like this who destroy their people like this. What's courageous are the US men and women who try and bring the very freedom we take for granted to people like this. What's courageous is the Russian people who are struggling through the beginning decades of freedom. What's courageous are the men and women fighting terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq, a chance for freedom in their wake.
That is so lame Midnyght....so lame, that I believe it can't be serious, and is nothing more than trolling. Now go away.
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Actually this one man accomplished more than your president could. His actions helped bring about international outcries against China's human rights violations. Hell, I was 11 and I still remember it, and I didn't have a clue what human rights violations was. Did he immediately change China? No, of course not. But he was a catalyst to a lot of the progress they've made in recent years.
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The people in Tiananmen Square were in open rebellion against the rules of their country.

It was the same as Ruby Ridge, Waco, Ipperwash, Gustafsen Lake, the Sto:lo and Gitksan. All were incidents in which a North American government abused the rights of it's citizens, and people were shot, killed, beated.

Glass houses, stones. There was a lively debate about the meaning of terrorists, and who Saddam could kill within his authority as dictator and those he slaughtered randomly. Well the same can be said of the Canadian PM and the American President.
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It takes a lot more courage for one man to face a line of tanks like that, than for the US President to attack a pretty much defenseless country.

Anyway, for those of you who don't remember the story.. the guy walked out infront of the tanks. The tank stopped, and tried to move from side to side to pass him. The man moved sideways and continued to block them. It was the most amazing thing I have ever seen on tv, and even the driver of the tank seemed so amazed that he simply stopped. The guy then climbed up on top of it and yelled at the people inside. Then he was dragged off the street and the tanks continued forward, but for a short time the whole world held their breath while watching it live.

Was he a hero? No, he was a regular guy on the way home from the store. He embodies everything that people like Midnyte can only dream of ever getting close to.

If I have one hero it is possibly him. I know I would fight for my country, but I don't believe I would have the courage to do what he did.
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I believe the guy ended up getting killed later. though you have to admit the courage he showed was tremendous. The fact that we are even talking about this now and remembering his actions shows that those that died in tiannemen square did not die in vain.
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And comparing a peaceful, quiet sit-in with Waco.....
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Kelshara wrote:And comparing a peaceful, quiet sit-in with Waco.....
Yeah that was quite funny. I do respect their fight in T-square, I was just expressing angst for your deep appreciation for them and yet little to know appreciation for what the US is doing.

But comparing it to Waco is funny as hell. Fighting for basic human rights and opposed to a cult with militian intent is too fucking funny.
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"Was he a hero? No, he was a regular guy on the way home from the store. He embodies everything that people like Midnyte can only dream of ever getting close to. "


This is comming from "The Keyboard Avenger"
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Cartalas wrote:"Was he a hero? No, he was a regular guy on the way home from the store. He embodies everything that people like Midnyte can only dream of ever getting close to. "


This is comming from "The Keyboard Avenger"
Just stop. Seriously. Your insults are not funny and make no sense 98.2% of the time.
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Vetiria wrote:
Cartalas wrote:"Was he a hero? No, he was a regular guy on the way home from the store. He embodies everything that people like Midnyte can only dream of ever getting close to. "


This is comming from "The Keyboard Avenger"
Just stop. Seriously. Your insults are not funny and make no sense 98.2% of the time.

And I care in what way,shape or form?
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They amuse me so please keep them coming :)
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Kelshara wrote:They amuse me so please keep them coming :)


Thanks Kelshara I aim to please.
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The action at hand is not the issue, a government abusing its citizens is the issue. Between them the so called "Western" ""1st World" nations have a history of abuse of power, smashing all opposition moves that removes their ability to criticize a foreign power for their domestic activities.

I feel about China the way I felt about Iraq, if the people as a whole want change, they will make it happen regardless of who is in power or what steps they take to prevent it from occuring. Hell the US beat the most technologically advanced, best equipped, best training military in the world when we threw out our foreign oppressors.

My daily laugh is the people that say "WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING" then their next words are "HOW DARE WE GO THERE AND DO SOMETHING"

I really am of the mind now that the US should look out for number 1, but I am aware that isolationism has NEVER worked.
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heh comparing the war against England (which you got help by France to win btw) with people uprising in China.. you're truly on a roll today!
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During the American Revolution (or Insurrection, depending on your location relative to the Atlantic), we were the colony nation of the "most technologically advanced, best equipped, best training military in the world."

We were revolting for primarily economic reasons. China's revolution would be more properly compared (in Western terms) to the French Revolution. It would be a social uprising and overthrowing of both a governmental and military power by the populous of the nation. And you can expect that, should that happen, the resulting civil war will be bloodier and contain more atrocities against human rights than the French Revolution.

Just because one man was able to stop a line of tanks in Tiananmen doesn't mean that the Chinese military would do the same during an actual uprising. You can be sure that there will be many a corpse sporting chain-linked tread marks before those tanks are stopped. Also, looking at the population density and dispursion of China, if certain cities fell to "rebel" control, the government could use broad dispursion weapons very effectively to quell the uprising and take the cities back. China has demonstrated that it is not above using similar measures in the past, and I'd hate to see what's left of a major city in the aftermath.

The change in China is going to take time or a military coup. I just don't see how a rebel force could put down a government like that or a military that size without costing millions of lives.
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Apparently the image is suppressed inside China.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... home-world
In 1999, on the 10th anniversary of the Tiananmen crackdown, Chinese leader Jiang Zemin was asked what had happened to the mystery man. He responded in English, "I think never killed." Jiang said government officials conducted their own search for the protester, checking morgues, prisons and computer registers, but could not find him.

But they could get no help from Chinese citizens themselves: No one in the country has ever seen the images. In fact, no ordinary Chinese beyond the protesters and soldiers involved even knows of the standoff. Even today, Chinese can't see the famous photograph, even on the Internet. Attempts to download the picture are blocked by the government.
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From The Writer's Almanac:
It was on this day in 1989 that the Chinese government cracked down on students conducting pro-democracy demonstrations in Beijing's Tiananmen Square. The demonstrations by the pro-democracy student groups had begun months earlier, after the government accused them of planning a coup d'etat. They drew thousands of supporters from three dozen universities and staged hunger strikes and sit-ins. The Chinese government declared martial law, and troops approached the square with tanks in the late evening of June 3.

Ordinary workers had gathered along the nearby roads. They had been demonstrating in support of the students for weeks, and they crowded into the streets to block the advance of the tanks toward the square. Though the event would come to be called the Tianamen Square massacre, almost all the people killed were the ordinary people in the streets outside the square. Violence broke out around midnight on this day in 1989, with some people throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at the troops, and the troops responding with gunfire.

Soldiers surrounded the perimeter of the square, and the students expected that they would kill everyone at the center. Around 4:00 AM, all the lights went out, and it got quiet. The students debated whether or not they should surrender. They heard the engines of the tanks start up, and finally they made the decision to evacuate. At that time, there were only a few journalists left in the square, and erroneous stories later reported that the students had all been killed. In fact, almost all the students survived.

One of the few journalists who witnessed the evacuation said, "Many [of the students] had tears rolling down their cheeks. All looked shaken; many were trembling or unsteady on their feet. But all looked proud and unbeaten. One group shouted, 'Down with the Communist Party!' [It was] the first time I had ever heard this openly said in China." The students left a message written on the wall behind them that said, "On June 4, 1989, the Chinese people shed their blood and died for democracy."

The violence continued in and around the square for the rest of the day. The famous photograph of a student staring down a tank was taken by an American Associated Press photographer named Jeff Widener. He went to the top of a hotel near the square and began to take pictures of the tanks clearing the last remnants of people from the streets. Then he saw one man walk up to a tank and stand in its path, refusing to move. He took several photographs and then the man was grabbed by bystanders and pulled out of the tank's path. Widener asked another journalist to hide the film in his underwear to smuggle out of the country. The identity of the protester in the photograph is not known with any certainty. We don't know if he's alive or dead, in prison or free, but he's been called one of the most influential revolutionaries of the twentieth century.
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My co-worker is from Bejing and was in grade school at the time of that picture.

He said that he remembers seeing it.
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I take back what I said. I really do admire these students and the stand they took for freedom and democracy. The Iraqi's should learn from their example.
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Interesting, I know some evacuated but a lot of people supposedly died. Read that as late as today heh.

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Pretty grisly sight the day after..
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I take back what I said. I really do admire these students and the stand they took for freedom and democracy. The Iraqi's should learn from their example.
What a load of horseshit. You would be calling them unpatriotic if it happened in America.
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Forthe wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I take back what I said. I really do admire these students and the stand they took for freedom and democracy. The Iraqi's should learn from their example.
What a load of horseshit. You would be calling them unpatriotic if it happened in America.
America isn't communist, you stupid fuck.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Forthe wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I take back what I said. I really do admire these students and the stand they took for freedom and democracy. The Iraqi's should learn from their example.
What a load of horseshit. You would be calling them unpatriotic if it happened in America.
America isn't communist, you stupid fuck.
Still doesn't change the fact that you would still be calling them unpatriotic if it happened in the good ole USA. Or are you saying that people are only allowed to protest if they don't belong in a democratic society? You sure are a piece.
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What would they be fighting here that would make it justified? We already have so much. Those people didn't have their freedom,. You do. But, you fail to see and appreciate it for some reason.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:What would they be fighting here that would make it justified? We already have so much. Those people didn't have their freedom,. You do. But, you fail to see and appreciate it for some reason.
First of all, I do appreciate it, don't put words in my mouth. That reminds me, what was it you said about that again?
This is why you are pathetic. The way you put words into peoples mouths.
Back to the topic. Yes, in this part of the world we have so much, but there are some people that always want more. That is the reason why people would protest here (in poetry, or rally), to make sure that those people don't take more *cough* Bush *cough*. This all goes back to the first amendment though, but I guess you are opposed to that too.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:What would they be fighting here that would make it justified? We already have so much. Those people didn't have their freedom,. You do. But, you fail to see and appreciate it for some reason.
Kent State comes to mind.
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As I am so duly reminded of every May 4th.
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Truant wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:What would they be fighting here that would make it justified? We already have so much. Those people didn't have their freedom,. You do. But, you fail to see and appreciate it for some reason.
Kent State comes to mind.
A completely different situation. Allow me to remind you.
WHY WAS THE OHIO NATIONAL GUARD CALLED TO KENT?

The decision to bring the Ohio National Guard onto the Kent State University campus was directly related to decisions regarding American involvement in the Vietnam War. Richard Nixon was elected president of the United States in 1968 based in part on his promise to bring an end to the war in Vietnam. During the first year of Nixon's presidency, America's involvement in the war appeared to be winding down. In late April of 1970, however, the United States invaded Cambodia and widened the Vietnam War. This decision was announced on national television and radio on April 30, l970 by President Nixon, who stated that the invasion of Cambodia was designed to attack the headquarters of the Viet Cong, which had been using Cambodian territory as a sanctuary.

Protests occurred the next day, Friday, May 1, across United States college campuses where anti-war sentiment ran high. At Kent State University, an anti-war rally was held at noon on the Commons, a large, grassy area in the middle of campus which had traditionally been the site for various types of rallies and demonstrations. Fiery speeches against the war and the Nixon administration were given, a copy of the Constitution was buried to symbolize the murder of the Constitution because Congress had never declared war, and another rally was called for noon on Monday, May 4.

Friday evening in downtown Kent began peacefully with the usual socializing in the bars, but events quickly escalated into a violent confrontation between protestors and local police. The exact causes of the disturbance are still the subject of debate, but bonfires were built in the streets of downtown Kent, cars were stopped, police cars were hit with bottles, and some store windows were broken. The entire Kent police force was called to duty as well as officers from the county and surrounding communities. Kent Mayor Leroy Satrom declared a state of emergency, called Governor James Rhodes' office to seek assistance, and ordered all of the bars closed. The decision to close the bars early increased the size of the angry crowd. Police eventually succeeded in using tear gas to disperse the crowd from downtown, forcing them to move several blocks back to the campus.

The next day, Saturday, May 2, Mayor Satrom met with other city officials and a representative of the Ohio National Guard who had been dispatched to Kent. Mayor Satrom then made the decision to ask Governor Rhodes to send the Ohio National Guard to Kent. The mayor feared further disturbances in Kent based upon the events of the previous evening, but more disturbing to the mayor were threats that had been made to downtown businesses and city officials as well as rumors that radical revolutionaries were in Kent to destroy the city and the university. Satrom was fearful that local forces would be inadequate to meet the potential disturbances, and thus about 5 p.m. he called the Governor's office to make an official request for assistance from the Ohio National Guard.

WHAT HAPPENED ON THE KENT STATE UNIVERSITY CAMPUS ON SATURDAY MAY 2 AND SUNDAY MAY 3 AFTER THE GUARDS ARRIVED ON CAMPUS?

Members of the Ohio National Guard were already on duty in Northeast Ohio, and thus they were able to be mobilized quickly to move to Kent. As the Guard arrived in Kent at about 10 p.m., they encountered a tumultuous scene. The wooden ROTC building adjacent to the Commons was ablaze and would eventually burn to the ground that evening, with well over 1000 demonstrators surrounding the building. Controversy continues to exist regarding who was responsible for setting fire to the ROTC building, but radical protestors were assumed to be responsible because of their actions in interfering with the efforts of firemen to extinguish the fire as well as cheering the burning of the building. Confrontations between Guardsmen and demonstrators continued into the night, with tear gas filling the campus and numerous arrests being made.

Sunday, May 3rd was a day filled with contrasts. Nearly 1000 Ohio National Guardsmen occupied the campus, making it appear like a military war zone. The day was warm and sunny, however, and students frequently talked amicably with Guardsmen. Ohio Governor James Rhodes flew to Kent on Sunday morning, and his mood was anything but calm. At a press conference, he issued a provocative statement calling campus protestors the worst type of people in America and stating that every force of law would be used to deal with them. Rhodes also indicated that he would seek a court order declaring a state of emergency. This was never done, but the widespread assumption among both Guard and University officials was that a state of martial law was being declared in which control of the campus resided with the Guard rather than University leaders and all rallies were banned. Further confrontations between protestors and guardsmen occurred Sunday evening, and once again rocks, tear gas, and arrests characterized a tense campus.

WHAT TYPE OF RALLY WAS HELD AT NOON ON MAY 4?

At the conclusion of the anti-war rally on Friday, May 1, student protest leaders had called for another rally to be held on the Commons at noon on Monday, May 4. Although University officials had attempted on the morning of May 4 to inform the campus that the rally was prohibited, a crowd began to gather beginning as early as 11 a.m. By noon, the entire Commons area contained approximately 3000 people. Although estimates are inexact, probably about 500 core demonstrators were gathered around the Victory Bell at one end of the Commons, another 1000 people were "cheerleaders" supporting the active demonstrators, and an additional 1500 people were spectators standing around the perimeter of the Commons. Across the Commons at the burned-out ROTC building stood about 100 Ohio National Guardsmen carrying lethal M-1 military rifles.

Substantial consensus exists that the active participants in the rally were primarily protesting the presence of the Guard on campus, although a strong anti-war sentiment was also present. Little evidence exists as to who were the leaders of the rally and what activities were planned, but initially the rally was peaceful.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Truant wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:What would they be fighting here that would make it justified? We already have so much. Those people didn't have their freedom,. You do. But, you fail to see and appreciate it for some reason.
Kent State comes to mind.
A completely different situation. Allow me to remind you.
WHY WAS THE OHIO NATIONAL GUARD CALLED TO KENT?

The decision to bring the Ohio National Guard onto the Kent State University campus was directly related to decisions regarding American involvement in the Vietnam War. Richard Nixon was elected president of the United States in 1968 based in part on his promise to bring an end to the war in Vietnam. During the first year of Nixon's presidency, America's involvement in the war appeared to be winding down. In late April of 1970, however, the United States invaded Cambodia and widened the Vietnam War. This decision was announced on national television and radio on April 30, l970 by President Nixon, who stated that the invasion of Cambodia was designed to attack the headquarters of the Viet Cong, which had been using Cambodian territory as a sanctuary.

Protests occurred the next day, Friday, May 1, across United States college campuses where anti-war sentiment ran high. At Kent State University, an anti-war rally was held at noon on the Commons, a large, grassy area in the middle of campus which had traditionally been the site for various types of rallies and demonstrations. Fiery speeches against the war and the Nixon administration were given, a copy of the Constitution was buried to symbolize the murder of the Constitution because Congress had never declared war, and another rally was called for noon on Monday, May 4.

Friday evening in downtown Kent began peacefully with the usual socializing in the bars, but events quickly escalated into a violent confrontation between protestors and local police. The exact causes of the disturbance are still the subject of debate, but bonfires were built in the streets of downtown Kent, cars were stopped, police cars were hit with bottles, and some store windows were broken. The entire Kent police force was called to duty as well as officers from the county and surrounding communities. Kent Mayor Leroy Satrom declared a state of emergency, called Governor James Rhodes' office to seek assistance, and ordered all of the bars closed. The decision to close the bars early increased the size of the angry crowd. Police eventually succeeded in using tear gas to disperse the crowd from downtown, forcing them to move several blocks back to the campus.

The next day, Saturday, May 2, Mayor Satrom met with other city officials and a representative of the Ohio National Guard who had been dispatched to Kent. Mayor Satrom then made the decision to ask Governor Rhodes to send the Ohio National Guard to Kent. The mayor feared further disturbances in Kent based upon the events of the previous evening, but more disturbing to the mayor were threats that had been made to downtown businesses and city officials as well as rumors that radical revolutionaries were in Kent to destroy the city and the university. Satrom was fearful that local forces would be inadequate to meet the potential disturbances, and thus about 5 p.m. he called the Governor's office to make an official request for assistance from the Ohio National Guard.

WHAT HAPPENED ON THE KENT STATE UNIVERSITY CAMPUS ON SATURDAY MAY 2 AND SUNDAY MAY 3 AFTER THE GUARDS ARRIVED ON CAMPUS?

Members of the Ohio National Guard were already on duty in Northeast Ohio, and thus they were able to be mobilized quickly to move to Kent. As the Guard arrived in Kent at about 10 p.m., they encountered a tumultuous scene. The wooden ROTC building adjacent to the Commons was ablaze and would eventually burn to the ground that evening, with well over 1000 demonstrators surrounding the building. Controversy continues to exist regarding who was responsible for setting fire to the ROTC building, but radical protestors were assumed to be responsible because of their actions in interfering with the efforts of firemen to extinguish the fire as well as cheering the burning of the building. Confrontations between Guardsmen and demonstrators continued into the night, with tear gas filling the campus and numerous arrests being made.

Sunday, May 3rd was a day filled with contrasts. Nearly 1000 Ohio National Guardsmen occupied the campus, making it appear like a military war zone. The day was warm and sunny, however, and students frequently talked amicably with Guardsmen. Ohio Governor James Rhodes flew to Kent on Sunday morning, and his mood was anything but calm. At a press conference, he issued a provocative statement calling campus protestors the worst type of people in America and stating that every force of law would be used to deal with them. Rhodes also indicated that he would seek a court order declaring a state of emergency. This was never done, but the widespread assumption among both Guard and University officials was that a state of martial law was being declared in which control of the campus resided with the Guard rather than University leaders and all rallies were banned. Further confrontations between protestors and guardsmen occurred Sunday evening, and once again rocks, tear gas, and arrests characterized a tense campus.

WHAT TYPE OF RALLY WAS HELD AT NOON ON MAY 4?

At the conclusion of the anti-war rally on Friday, May 1, student protest leaders had called for another rally to be held on the Commons at noon on Monday, May 4. Although University officials had attempted on the morning of May 4 to inform the campus that the rally was prohibited, a crowd began to gather beginning as early as 11 a.m. By noon, the entire Commons area contained approximately 3000 people. Although estimates are inexact, probably about 500 core demonstrators were gathered around the Victory Bell at one end of the Commons, another 1000 people were "cheerleaders" supporting the active demonstrators, and an additional 1500 people were spectators standing around the perimeter of the Commons. Across the Commons at the burned-out ROTC building stood about 100 Ohio National Guardsmen carrying lethal M-1 military rifles.

Substantial consensus exists that the active participants in the rally were primarily protesting the presence of the Guard on campus, although a strong anti-war sentiment was also present. Little evidence exists as to who were the leaders of the rally and what activities were planned, but initially the rally was peaceful.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer Posted: e610Sunday490310 Post subject:

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No, sorry. I'm not a violent person. You would like to view me that way, but sorry, you are wrong.
No, just a stupid one.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer Posted: e610Sunday490310 Post subject:

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No, sorry. I'm not a violent person. You would like to view me that way, but sorry, you are wrong.
No, just a stupid one.
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...and they usually stink.
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Burke wrote:...and they usually stink.
Some more than others.
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Chmee wrote:Apparently the image is suppressed inside China.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... home-world
In 1999, on the 10th anniversary of the Tiananmen crackdown, Chinese leader Jiang Zemin was asked what had happened to the mystery man. He responded in English, "I think never killed." Jiang said government officials conducted their own search for the protester, checking morgues, prisons and computer registers, but could not find him.

But they could get no help from Chinese citizens themselves: No one in the country has ever seen the images. In fact, no ordinary Chinese beyond the protesters and soldiers involved even knows of the standoff. Even today, Chinese can't see the famous photograph, even on the Internet. Attempts to download the picture are blocked by the government.
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I don't know what kind of internet access they have there, but I find it impossible to think that if anyone has real access tot he internet that the government has somehow magically blocked that image from ever coming up...

i r call bullshit.
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Spankes wrote:I don't know what kind of internet access they have there, but I find it impossible to think that if anyone has real access tot he internet that the government has somehow magically blocked that image from ever coming up...

i r call bullshit.
AFAIK China has some pretty strict controls in place on internet usage. Just stuff I remember reading in passing.

I'm sure that most of China has seen it at one point or another but the government does try to suppress stuff like this to keep it out of current public consciousness.
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Forthe wrote:
Spankes wrote:I don't know what kind of internet access they have there, but I find it impossible to think that if anyone has real access tot he internet that the government has somehow magically blocked that image from ever coming up...

i r call bullshit.
AFAIK China has some pretty strict controls in place on internet usage. Just stuff I remember reading in passing.

I'm sure that most of China has seen it at one point or another but the government does try to suppress stuff like this to keep it out of current public consciousness.
I remember reading about Iraq and Afghanistan being the same way. You could only see specific things.
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yeah those afghanis could hardly download anything off the internet. :roll:
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having computers would give them better download speeds
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Not everyone lives in mud huts over there.

http://www.afghan-web.com/


And if you want to actually read about Iraq's future with an open mind.

http://www.cpa-iraq.org/
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Not everyone lives in mud huts over there.

http://www.afghan-web.com/
http://www.afghan-web.com/about/contactus.html

Mailing Address:
P.O. Box 11604
Pleasanton, CA 94588

again: :roll:

retard.
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Not to mention the hotmail email address!
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kyoukan wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Not everyone lives in mud huts over there.

http://www.afghan-web.com/
http://www.afghan-web.com/about/contactus.html

Mailing Address:
P.O. Box 11604
Pleasanton, CA 94588

again: :roll:

retard.

Yup, my bad. Here are a few sites from Afghanistan.

steuerung.animalfood.af

udt.af

nankotsu.af

afmsrr.afams.af

But, I don't know how to access them. /shrug
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:But, I don't know how to access them. /shrug
Maybe its because they don't exist? Just a thought.
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