Timeline comparing the lives of Bush and Kerry

Thess · Post by **Thess** » May 25, 2004, 10:29 am

I found this to be an interesting side by side comparision of Bush and Kerry's lives.

http://www.independent-media.tv/itempri ... The%20Hero

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » May 25, 2004, 10:35 am

Geee that was not biased

Syenye Squirrellyelf · Post by **Syenye Squirrellyelf** » May 25, 2004, 10:42 am

quite amusing.

Arilain · Post by **Arilain** » May 25, 2004, 10:59 am

This is something I will have to show my English prof. so she can show how the use of pictures can be used to force an opiion to her class next semester. Here is a few things they left out...

Kerry only served 3 months in Vietnam. During that time he had a film crew follow him around.

His biggest wound was on his buttocks from shrapnel and was so minor he didn't spend a whole day in the hospital.

As a kid he spent vacations in the French Riviera. (Nice to know he can relate to hard working blue collar folk)

Both men were equal in net worth, and come from wealthy families. Kerry upon marrying his wife has more net worth than Bush now.

Bush has opened up all his military documents to the public while Kerry only opened up half of his.(why does a "hero" hide what he has done?)

Kerry has never had a pay check from a private company. That is he has never worked at a normal job, and he paychecks have always been from the government.

I can not determine what Kerry stands for since his record shows him flip flopping on issues. Bush to his credit has stood firm on his issues wether you like them or not.

They also left out one very important thing here....Kerry is too damn ugly and scary looking compared to Bush. (Sorry it's a female thing)

if anyone wants some of the research I have done into both canidates feel free to pm me. I am just thankful that I am an independant.

Post by **Sylvus** » May 25, 2004, 11:19 am

Arilain wrote:Kerry only served 3 months in Vietnam. During that time he had a film crew follow him around.

Er, he was awarded three purple hearts, a bronze star and a silver star, provided that article didn't completely fabricate that. (A 15 second google search provides ample sources that support that)

Film crew or not, you don't get that kind of recognition by going AWOL from the National Guard for a year.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » May 25, 2004, 11:33 am

According to the guy whose life he saved, Kerry did something insane in a firefight and got out on the bow, leaned over and pulled this guy out of the water, or the other time he beached his boat on purpose, jumped overboard and killed a VC who had a grenade launcher, would he prolly have been dead otherwise, sure the guy woulda shot, but he was the one that jumped overboard once beached and chased the guy down to kill him. Personally I don't think you should even bother trying to smear a war hero, ANY war hero

Taly · Post by **Taly** » May 25, 2004, 11:47 am

wonder how much money that site got to post that...............

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 25, 2004, 11:51 am

A war hero who thought so much of his country and it's appreciation of his duties, he threw away his medals. Yeah Kerry is a man I want my kids to look up to. Fucking asshole.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 25, 2004, 11:54 am

September 4, 1976
George W Bush is arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine for driving with a blood-alcohol level of .10 percent. A Bush spokesman acknowledges this is Bush's third arrest and his driving privileges are suspended for two years.

Many fo the defenses for Clinton was that he was like the every day man. People embraced his normality. But, not Bush's. Interesting.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » May 25, 2004, 11:57 am

Clinton was never arrested for drunk driving three times. That's not a normal person. That's someone that has shown he's willing to put other people's lives in danger.

Arilain · Post by **Arilain** » May 25, 2004, 12:02 pm

Clinton was only implicated in a cocaine drug trafficing ring in Arkansas that his brother operated and got tried for.

I still believe that if someone admits to doing war crimes they are not heros regardless of how many things they did in combat to save others.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 25, 2004, 12:03 pm

Vetiria wrote:Clinton was never arrested for drunk driving three times. That's not a normal person. That's someone that has shown he's willing to put other people's lives in danger.

Oh please. While I do not condone that behavior, it is a normal every day behavior that most people partake. It is unfortunate but a reality. If you don't know that, then you live in a cave.....with internet connectivity.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » May 25, 2004, 12:03 pm

Yes, the majority of people like going out and driving while drunk. Yee haw!!!!!

Post by **Sylvus** » May 25, 2004, 12:06 pm

Even though I'm constantly reminded that most of the people in the world are kind of stupid, being normal does not imply that one is stupid.

Clinton chased pussy and tried drugs and was similar to a lot of people in those regards. But he was, by most accounts, a very intelligent man. George W. Bush does not seem that intelligent, and that's reinforced by him getting arrested for drunk driving on at least three occasions. SMART PEOPLE DON'T GET ARRESTED FOR DRUNK DRIVING THREE (or more) TIMES. Particularly not smart rich people.

We're approaching the third Presidential vote that I've been eligible to participate in. I have never registered to vote nor have I ever voted because I really didn't like Dole a whole lot better than Clinton, nor did I have a major preference between Gore and GW Bush. Bush has fucked up enough during his tenure that I made a trip to the Secretary of State last week to register to vote, and you can bet that I'll be voting against him this year. My prediction is that we'll have the highest voter turnout in the last 20 years, and that Bush is not going to win.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 25, 2004, 12:08 pm

You might be right Syl. My guess is enough people while realize that the policies of the republican party, not the man Bush, will have a greater effect on the country at large, and he will win by a slim margin, just like last time.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » May 25, 2004, 12:22 pm

George W. Bush does not seem that intelligent

I am pretty sure that you have to be intelligent to ever reach the highest office in the land. Any given individual may not agree with the actions of a given sitting president, but we're not sending absolute certifiable morons to the office.

I never bashed anyone for living it up when they were younger. I sure the fuck did.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » May 25, 2004, 12:26 pm

A war hero who thought so much of his country and it's appreciation of his duties, he threw away his medals. Yeah Kerry is a man I want my kids to look up to. Fucking asshole.

Throwing away the medals means jack and shit. He earned them he can do what he wanted to. Notice the key words, HE EARNED THEM.

He came back, and spoke aginist a war that we had no reason for even being in, after he served his time. He, unlike someone like you, can notice a diffrence between right and wrong. He saw the bad things going on, he saw the smoke being blown up peoples asses * ie like bush and iraq* and took it before congress and the united states people.

He didnt go awol. He didnt dodge the draft. He didnt have his rich daddy pull strings to get him in to the Guard.

What would a person like you even know what being in the military is like, muchless any medals. Just because you had to do something, doesnt mean you have to like it.

I guess skipping the draft by going in to the national guard only to go awol, is greater than going to the war, being in the middle of combat and saving some peoples lives.

Either way, I wish Kerry would run with Bill Clinton as Vice Pres. Im dreaming but hey, then i would know 100% that blind people like you would be out numbered for voting for bush and get him back in office.

Post by **Sylvus** » May 25, 2004, 12:46 pm

Ashur wrote:
George W. Bush does not seem that intelligent
I am pretty sure that you have to be intelligent to ever reach the highest office in the land. Any given individual may not agree with the actions of a given sitting president, but we're not sending absolute certifiable morons to the office.

Perhaps I didn't choose the best wording. I don't think that he's the dumbest person ever. We have a few people on this board that hold that distinction and beyond them I am sure that there are even stupider people that I just haven't had the displeasure of associating with. In that light, I will restate my belief.

Relative to the other presidents that I have seen, George W Bush doesn't seem as intelligent.

He mispronounces words pretty regularly. He misuses words. Perhaps he is just nervous speaking in public, but if you're going to be my president, I have difficulty excusing that. From what I have read, he was admitted to Yale with an SAT score of 1206 and was a C student. Far from stupid, but not the kind of inspiring intelligence that I want to be the leader of the most powerful nation on the planet.

I don't think George W Bush is a bad guy, I think he is a bad choice for President of the United States of America. I think he'd probably be a hoot to party with, he and I seem pretty similar. We both partied a lot in college and both of us just seem to half-ass it a lot of the time. But I also don't think that I am at all qualified to be the leader of the free world.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » May 25, 2004, 12:51 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:A war hero who thought so much of his country and it's appreciation of his duties, he threw away his medals. Yeah Kerry is a man I want my kids to look up to. Fucking asshole.

Err, supposedly he didn't throw them away, he threw them AT congress while testifying about the war. That's a political statement. He was part of the movement that helped change the "mass view" which you dry hump like a fucking idiot from Vietnam intervention to Vietnam withdrawl. Eventually, the government decided continued Vietnam action was a bad idea and thus, began the withdrawl.

Tell me Midnyte, what type of moral conondrum does it create for you when government policy shifts? If you're so fond of presenting a "unified front of support" for the U.S. government, what kind of turmoil do you go through when policy changes?

No wonder you hate Kerry. He would have helped to force you change your obedient, ass-kissing mind.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 25, 2004, 1:21 pm

Toshira wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:A war hero who thought so much of his country and it's appreciation of his duties, he threw away his medals. Yeah Kerry is a man I want my kids to look up to. Fucking asshole.
Err, supposedly he didn't throw them away, he threw them AT congress while testifying about the war. That's a political statement. He was part of the movement that helped change the "mass view" which you dry hump like a fucking idiot from Vietnam intervention to Vietnam withdrawl. Eventually, the government decided continued Vietnam action was a bad idea and thus, began the withdrawl.

Tell me Midnyte, what type of moral conondrum does it create for you when government policy shifts? If you're so fond of presenting a "unified front of support" for the U.S. government, what kind of turmoil do you go through when policy changes?

No wonder you hate Kerry. He would have helped to force you change your obedient, ass-kissing mind.

No conondrum. If the government, just like a person, reassesses a situation and takes a new direction in which it feels is a better one, then I support that. /shrug, why is this so hard to figure out? lol

Siji · Post by **Siji** » May 25, 2004, 1:34 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:You might be right Syl. My guess is enough people while realize that the policies of the republican party, not the man Bush, will have a greater effect on the country at large, and he will win by a slim margin, just like last time.

Here's a clue. Bush didn't win.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 25, 2004, 1:38 pm

Siji wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:You might be right Syl. My guess is enough people while realize that the policies of the republican party, not the man Bush, will have a greater effect on the country at large, and he will win by a slim margin, just like last time.
Here's a clue. Bush didn't win.

Here's a clue. He's the president. We don't elect under popular vote. Under the system in place, he won. So ummmm, go fuck yourself for being a moron.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » May 25, 2004, 1:42 pm

Terribly biased piece, but very amusing. I loved this GWB quote:

"We don't believe in planners and deciders making the decisions on behalf of Americans."

The context probably puts it into a better perspective, but still. Pick better words! I'd rank Bush's intelligence as average, in fact, it's probably the only thing he has in common with the average joe. You say Kerry has never worked for a private company. Has Bush, other than as CEO and yadda yadda bullshit title of oil companies? As for trying to knock his war record, have fun. You're better off sticking to the "flip-flopping" of his, make sure to ignore Bush's tho.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » May 25, 2004, 1:45 pm

Sylvus wrote:He mispronounces words pretty regularly. He misuses words. Perhaps he is just nervous speaking in public, but if you're going to be my president, I have difficulty excusing that. From what I have read, he was admitted to Yale with an SAT score of 1206 and was a C student. Far from stupid, but not the kind of inspiring intelligence that I want to be the leader of the most powerful nation on the planet.

You mean suicider, commiserate, and misunderestimated are not words???

Mak · Post by **Mak** » May 25, 2004, 1:57 pm

Commiserate is a perfectly good word.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » May 25, 2004, 2:02 pm

True, my mistake - just he meant commensurate

commiserate: To feel or express sorrow or pity for; sympathize with.
commensurate: Of the same size, extent, or duration as another.

As in:
I don't want nations feeling like that they can bully ourselves and our allies. I want to have a ballistic defense system so that we can make the world more peaceful, and at the same time I want to reduce our own nuclear capacities to the level commiserate with keeping the peace. (Oct. 23, 2000)

If need be, we'll just reduce unilaterally to a level commiserate with keeping a deterrence and keeping the peace. (Mar. 13, 2002)

But in Afghanistan, we've shown, I believe, how to do it, in a way that's commiserate with our values -- that, on the one hand, we're plenty tough, and we will be. We've got a military we're going to use, if we need to, to defend freedom. But on the other hand, we delivered a lot of medicine and a lot of food. (Apr. 24, 2002)

I wanna remind you all that I -- in, in order -- what -- in order to fight and win the war it requires a expenditure of money -- uhh, uhh -- that is commiserate with keeping a promise to our troops to make sure that they're well paid, well trained, well equipped. (Dec. 15, 2003)

So as I told His Majesty [King Abdullah of Jordan], I said, we will -- people will be brought to justice in a way commiserate with how our system works. (May 6, 2004)

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 25, 2004, 2:20 pm

Bush had that James Dean look going on!

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » May 25, 2004, 2:32 pm

Nice research on the commiserate quotes!

Thess · Post by **Thess** » May 25, 2004, 2:36 pm

I used http://www.dubyaspeak.com

Karae · Post by **Karae** » May 25, 2004, 4:30 pm

Personally, I am gratefully for his giving us a peeance freeance iraq.

ERRRRRRRRRRRR

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 25, 2004, 4:41 pm

Karae wrote:Personally, I am gratefully for his giving us a peeance freeance iraq.

ERRRRRRRRRRRR

lol

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » May 25, 2004, 4:41 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:People embraced his normality. But, not Bush's. Interesting.

If Bush is considered normal, we will have to take a serious look at environmental and social factors to figure out why we are all retarded.

-=Lohrno

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » May 25, 2004, 5:08 pm

And I call upon the Iraqi people to reject violence, band together to insist that the country move toward a peaceful tomorrow. Iraq is changing for the better. I mean, look at the soccer team.
-- Yes, he's actually pointing to the success of the Iraqi national soccer team as progress in Iraq, Washington, D.C., May 20, 2004

And the time is getting worse. That's what people have got to understand up there in Washington or over there in Washington down there in Washington, whatever. Thought I was in Crawford for a minute.
-- It always seems like you're in Crawford, Dubya, Scranton, Pennsylvania, Jan. 16, 2003

Bush is the greatest speaker in the history of this fine state, I mean school, uh err country, whatever. Thought I was intelligent for a minute.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » May 25, 2004, 7:11 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:A war hero who thought so much of his country and it's appreciation of his duties, he threw away his medals. Yeah Kerry is a man I want my kids to look up to. Fucking asshole.

yeah so instead you spend all day licking the boots of a cocaine snorting draft dodger. GOOD JOB MORON

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » May 25, 2004, 7:36 pm

heh, you guys are actually trying to dispute weather or not Kerry is a war hero, let alone one of the greatest american war heroes alive

I would love to hear ONE of you blind bush supporters make a valid argument stating that Bush showed more courage and bravery then Kerry for defending Texas in the national guard.

I will be the first to admit that being a war hero has nothing to do with weather or not you would make a good president (besides image), but none of you have the right to bash kerry for his service in vietnam

noel · Post by **noel** » May 25, 2004, 7:45 pm

Last time I checked, being a war hero was not a prerequisite for holding the office of President. Certainly it's easier to be elected if you have some minimal level of distinguished service in the Armed Forces, without a specifically military career, but I really don't see it as an issue in this election.

Bush's military history is sketchy if painted in the best possible light, yet he's the incumbent. There seem to be a lot of questions about Kerry's service as well. Though he was well decorated, there are some questions about his conduct after the war. In my mind, it makes their military service nothing more than a distraction from the legitimate issues pertinent to determining which candidate would be the best choice for the Presidency. It's not as though we're talking about the military service of Bob Kerry.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 25, 2004, 7:48 pm

If a draft dodger can be president for 8 years, pretty much anyone can if they have the money and backing of those in power positions in this country.

noel · Post by **noel** » May 25, 2004, 7:50 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:If a draft dodger can be president for 8 years, pretty much anyone can if they have the money and backing of those in power positions in this country.

My point exactly.

Badabidi · Post by **Badabidi** » May 25, 2004, 7:53 pm

Grant was a great war hero.. But compared to how great of a president he was that's nothing

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 25, 2004, 8:40 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Siji wrote: Here's a clue. Bush didn't win.
Here's a clue. He's the president. We don't elect under popular vote. Under the system in place, he won. So ummmm, go fuck yourself for being a moron.

lol you kill me. If you think that he won under our 'system in place' you're the clueless moron. That was anything but a standard election.

Stolen from the timeline.. OMG it may be biased! :

For the first time in U.S. history the Supreme Court decides a presidential election by declaring Bush the winner in Florida by 500 votes. It was later discovered that over 50,000 Florida citizens, mostly minorities, were illegally kept off the voter rolls under the specific direction of Florida Governor Jeb Bush.

Being appointed dictator.. er, I mean President, by the Supreme Court isn't really winning in my mind. I believe that's the point Siji was making.

In late December, new election figures showed that Gore received 50,996,064 votes and Bush got 50,456,167. That giave Gore a majority of 539,897 votes over Bush.

The legal battle cost the Bush campaign $8 million. Thirty-nine lawyers and 13 paralegals were hired to stop the Florida recount. The lawyers were supposed to get their money from the Bush Recount Committee which was set up in Florida. Don Evans, whom Bush later appointed secretary of commerce, raised $8.3 million, more than twice that was raised by Gore's committee. Four months after the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Bush and handed him the White House keys, he still owed more than $800,000 in legal fees. (Newsweek, April 23, 2001)

Hopefully now that people have had a chance to see what a complete fuckup Bush has been the voting wont be so close the next time.

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Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 25, 2004, 9:39 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Siji wrote: Here's a clue. Bush didn't win.
Here's a clue. He's the president. We don't elect under popular vote. Under the system in place, he won. So ummmm, go fuck yourself for being a moron.
lol you kill me. If you think that he won under our 'system in place' you're the clueless moron. That was anything but a standard election.

And you kill me old friend. It was a standard election. Gore and his people didn't like the fact that they lost by such a small margin in Florida so they made an ordeal over a people error. Apparently a portion of Florida voters were so fucking dumb, they couldn't figure out how to use a fucking punch card. Has this maybe happened before, but never came into question because no one raised a stink over losing by a small margin? Indeed. Has there been studies since that show Bush would have won either way? Yes there has.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » May 25, 2004, 11:38 pm

actually gore won by a small margin

heh, i actually wanted bush to win 4 years ago, over gore anyways

seriously, why the fuck didnt you dumb ass republicans pick Mccain? He would have been a lot better then Gore, and worlds ahead of Bush

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 25, 2004, 11:49 pm

I voted for Mccain in the primaries.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » May 26, 2004, 1:12 am

Xzion, do some research on push polling and Ralph Reed. That, in a nutshell, is why McCain didn't win the primary.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » May 26, 2004, 6:30 am

the Party wouldn't back McCain.

Arilain · Post by **Arilain** » May 26, 2004, 10:32 am

It's a shame that the Democrats didn't pick Lieberman this year. I would have voted for him due to the fact that he stood hid ground on issues rather than saying whatever etc. to get a vote. Dunno who I will vote for if I vote in November.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » May 26, 2004, 11:02 am

Arilain wrote:It's a shame that the Democrats didn't pick Lieberman this year. I would have voted for him due to the fact that he stood hid ground on issues rather than saying whatever etc. to get a vote. Dunno who I will vote for if I vote in November.

If you like to play video games, and have a media free of censorship...lieberman is not your friend, i would almost rather have bush then that asshole