So I've been thinking about Bush's presidency, the war in Iraq, 9/11, and just generally the way things have gone in the last four years... I have to say that for maybe the two months after 9/11 I was very happy to have George Bush and his band of war mongers running our nation, but that has certainly tapered off considerably as time has passed. For the record, I do think Al Gore is an idiot, and the last election was really a lesser of two evils.
Given that, I'd like to propose a few questions. Ideally, if the thread stayed relatively flame-free, that would be great, but I realize that's asking a lot. If you're from another country, answer the questions as best you can, from your perspective.
1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
US/US
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Bush
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Gore
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
Yes.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
I actually think the initial reaction would have been rather similar, though perhaps our military would have been overly micromanaged because so I think the administration would have had less people with an understanding of what level of direction the military needs to do to be effective. Having said that, other than deposing the Taliban, I'm not sure what we've really accomplished in Afganistan.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Not at all.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
I think as with most Democratic administrations, you'd have seen more of a focus on social issues within the United States, and less focus on issues abroad. We would have definitely spent far less money as I don't think we'd have had to support a war effort. Certain international issues such as the ongoing Israel/Palestine issue might have gotten less attention, but the attention it did get might have been more meaningful.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
Not at all. I think they've set back America's international relations with many people and countries by an order of magnitude. I think the long-term effects of the war on our budget will be asphyxiating for our economy, and I think the constant pushing of religious issues into mainstream politics (mostly a diversionary tactic in my opinion) is total bullshit.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
I won't be voting for Bush. I still need to learn more about Kerry.
A few questions...
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Oh, my God; I care so little, I almost passed out.
1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
Norway/USA
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Nobody in this country since I can't vote, but would not have voted Bush.. don't like Gore either though.
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
If I could vote probably Gore..
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
Yes and no. They did the right thing by going after Afghanistan imho. However, I do not think Rumsfeld's immediate plans for Iraq was a good thing.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
I think they would have done a lot of the same in regards to Afghanistan. I do not think they would have gone after Iraq and think they would have taken a softer stand against the rest of the world.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
No.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
This is a hard one as I am not a huge fan of Gore either. I believe more focus on social issues, less military spending abroad and better relations with foreign countries. I honestly have no idea how he would have handled issues like Israel/Palestine etc. Also believe we would have been without the attacks on abortion etc.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
For the most part no. As I said, he handled 9/11 good in the short term, but else than that I disagree with a LOT of what he is doing. Religious issues, abortion issues, military spending abroad (Iraq), international relations etc.. not a good job.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
I can't vote damnit! But if I could it would not be Bush. Not a huge Kerry fan at all (he wasn't my choice among the candidates), but I believe he would be better than Bush is.
Norway/USA
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Nobody in this country since I can't vote, but would not have voted Bush.. don't like Gore either though.
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
If I could vote probably Gore..
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
Yes and no. They did the right thing by going after Afghanistan imho. However, I do not think Rumsfeld's immediate plans for Iraq was a good thing.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
I think they would have done a lot of the same in regards to Afghanistan. I do not think they would have gone after Iraq and think they would have taken a softer stand against the rest of the world.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
No.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
This is a hard one as I am not a huge fan of Gore either. I believe more focus on social issues, less military spending abroad and better relations with foreign countries. I honestly have no idea how he would have handled issues like Israel/Palestine etc. Also believe we would have been without the attacks on abortion etc.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
For the most part no. As I said, he handled 9/11 good in the short term, but else than that I disagree with a LOT of what he is doing. Religious issues, abortion issues, military spending abroad (Iraq), international relations etc.. not a good job.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
I can't vote damnit! But if I could it would not be Bush. Not a huge Kerry fan at all (he wasn't my choice among the candidates), but I believe he would be better than Bush is.
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Re: A few questions...
1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
USA
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Bush, but I voted McCain in the primary.
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Bush
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
Yes.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
I think that there would have been a committee formed to discuss the plan to discuss military action, but it would currently still be under debate in both the House and the Senate, and the Taliban would still be housing al-Qaeda and repressing women back into the stone age. Odds are the attack in Spain would have happened a lot sooner, and there prolly would have been another strike attempted on US soil.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Nope.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
I think Al Gore would have been one of the most ineffective presidents in history, mostly because of the bullshit partisan infighting that the Democrats and Republiacns are both guilty of. At least we wouldn't actually be talking about a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
No. We should have finished what we started in Afghanistan. We could have turned that country into a shining example of Islamic values combined with Western freedoms. Instead, they're basically back to a feudal system with guns.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
I will not vote for Kerry. At least Bush tells me lies I like.
USA
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Bush, but I voted McCain in the primary.
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Bush
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
Yes.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
I think that there would have been a committee formed to discuss the plan to discuss military action, but it would currently still be under debate in both the House and the Senate, and the Taliban would still be housing al-Qaeda and repressing women back into the stone age. Odds are the attack in Spain would have happened a lot sooner, and there prolly would have been another strike attempted on US soil.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Nope.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
I think Al Gore would have been one of the most ineffective presidents in history, mostly because of the bullshit partisan infighting that the Democrats and Republiacns are both guilty of. At least we wouldn't actually be talking about a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
No. We should have finished what we started in Afghanistan. We could have turned that country into a shining example of Islamic values combined with Western freedoms. Instead, they're basically back to a feudal system with guns.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
I will not vote for Kerry. At least Bush tells me lies I like.
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1. US/US
2. Gore
3. Gore
4. I'm not certain that they actually handled anything at all.
5. Well I would imagine about the same in terms of Airport security etc...Though I think the Patriot act such as it is would not exist...Or would be much more limited in power and duration...I also think we would not be seeing the internment of people in violation of applicable international treaties/constitutional law.
6. No
7. I think we would have been much more a part of the international community and much less a rogue state.
8. No. The Bush Administration has basically sold the environment and rolled back protections through policies of ignoring existing regulation. The Bush Administration has had 0 impact on education. The Bush Administration has made the US a rogue state by acting unilaterally without regard for international convention/law. the Bush Administration has single handedly rolled back civil rights and seeks to further erode individual rights in the name of morality.
9. I will vote against Bush...ie I will select the candidate with the most reasonable chance of defeating Bush.
2. Gore
3. Gore
4. I'm not certain that they actually handled anything at all.
5. Well I would imagine about the same in terms of Airport security etc...Though I think the Patriot act such as it is would not exist...Or would be much more limited in power and duration...I also think we would not be seeing the internment of people in violation of applicable international treaties/constitutional law.
6. No
7. I think we would have been much more a part of the international community and much less a rogue state.
8. No. The Bush Administration has basically sold the environment and rolled back protections through policies of ignoring existing regulation. The Bush Administration has had 0 impact on education. The Bush Administration has made the US a rogue state by acting unilaterally without regard for international convention/law. the Bush Administration has single handedly rolled back civil rights and seeks to further erode individual rights in the name of morality.
9. I will vote against Bush...ie I will select the candidate with the most reasonable chance of defeating Bush.
1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
USA
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
I was 16 at the time
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Gore
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
Somewhat. He didn't do anything that I felt was particularly spectacular, but with the exception of a few idiotic comments (axis of evil?), he did OK.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
I think we would have behaved rather similarly in Afghanistan. I also think we would have begun a "war on terror," although the phrasing may have been different. We'd have a number of problems with our foreign policy, but they would be much different problems, probably involving excessive sensitivity to criticism and opinion. However, I think that the waffling and concessions would be relatively minor, and far less significant than the problems we now face.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
No.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
Lower spending and no tax cuts. Also, I doubt he'd pack the judiciary with ideologues, as Bush has done. He'd be more open to input from outside his ideological comfort zone. My primary criticism of Bush and his administration is their complete unwillingness to accept the process of constructive dialogue and policy development that is generally characteristic of effective governing.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
Absolutely not, for reasons that are too complex to fully type out here, but generally revolve around his focus on politics instead of policy and his political isolation, both in domestic and international circles. It doesn't help that I'm heavily liberal on social issues, so he's already starting out with a black mark from my perspective.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Kerry.
While I sympathize with the criticism of Kerry's convictions, keep in mind that this is a guy who charged and shot dead a man with a rocket launcher. He's also a man strong enough to survive the vicious arena of high politics. I think we really need to reflect on the standards to which we hold our politicians, and on the extent to which negative campaigning has affected both those standards and our perceptions. The same goes for Bush.
USA
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
I was 16 at the time
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Gore
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
Somewhat. He didn't do anything that I felt was particularly spectacular, but with the exception of a few idiotic comments (axis of evil?), he did OK.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
I think we would have behaved rather similarly in Afghanistan. I also think we would have begun a "war on terror," although the phrasing may have been different. We'd have a number of problems with our foreign policy, but they would be much different problems, probably involving excessive sensitivity to criticism and opinion. However, I think that the waffling and concessions would be relatively minor, and far less significant than the problems we now face.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
No.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
Lower spending and no tax cuts. Also, I doubt he'd pack the judiciary with ideologues, as Bush has done. He'd be more open to input from outside his ideological comfort zone. My primary criticism of Bush and his administration is their complete unwillingness to accept the process of constructive dialogue and policy development that is generally characteristic of effective governing.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
Absolutely not, for reasons that are too complex to fully type out here, but generally revolve around his focus on politics instead of policy and his political isolation, both in domestic and international circles. It doesn't help that I'm heavily liberal on social issues, so he's already starting out with a black mark from my perspective.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Kerry.
While I sympathize with the criticism of Kerry's convictions, keep in mind that this is a guy who charged and shot dead a man with a rocket launcher. He's also a man strong enough to survive the vicious arena of high politics. I think we really need to reflect on the standards to which we hold our politicians, and on the extent to which negative campaigning has affected both those standards and our perceptions. The same goes for Bush.
1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
US/US
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Bush
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Bush
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
Yes. Especially considering he did not cause this ordeal, it was basically dropped in his lap.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
I believe Gore is a chicken shit and we would have had way more terrorist problems in American like 9/11
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
No we would be having more 9/11 sitations to deal with here.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
More dead innocent americans on our own soil.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
Yes i do
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Bush all the way! Kerry has already made an ass out of himself on TV. Even if he hadn't I would still be voting for Bush.
US/US
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Bush
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Bush
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
Yes. Especially considering he did not cause this ordeal, it was basically dropped in his lap.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
I believe Gore is a chicken shit and we would have had way more terrorist problems in American like 9/11
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
No we would be having more 9/11 sitations to deal with here.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
More dead innocent americans on our own soil.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
Yes i do
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Bush all the way! Kerry has already made an ass out of himself on TV. Even if he hadn't I would still be voting for Bush.
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That's just sad, Taly.............
1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
Canada/Canada
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
There was nothing exceptional in the way the Bush administration handled the situation. There's no reason to believe that Gore would have handled it in a markedly different manner.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
No
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
I believe Gore would have had a fairly unremarkable term.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
No
1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
Canada/Canada
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
There was nothing exceptional in the way the Bush administration handled the situation. There's no reason to believe that Gore would have handled it in a markedly different manner.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
No
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
I believe Gore would have had a fairly unremarkable term.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
No
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1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
Canada
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
Largely the same. There wasn't much alternative on what was to be done as far as invading Afghanistan. The global support that was received by this is evidence enough of the fact. I don't think he would have gone so far on the homefront as the Bush admin has; take for instance the Department of Homeland Security. There may have been something similar in name, but not as radical.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Nope
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
As far as the war on terror, probably not much. I doubt the US would be any more or less secure than it is now. On economic and social fronts, there would have been some good and some bad.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
No
Canada
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
Largely the same. There wasn't much alternative on what was to be done as far as invading Afghanistan. The global support that was received by this is evidence enough of the fact. I don't think he would have gone so far on the homefront as the Bush admin has; take for instance the Department of Homeland Security. There may have been something similar in name, but not as radical.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Nope
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
As far as the war on terror, probably not much. I doubt the US would be any more or less secure than it is now. On economic and social fronts, there would have been some good and some bad.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
No
1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
US/US
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Brown
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Probably Brown (although some people have been critical of some things he said after 9/11, I haven't read them myself but its possible that would change my mind).
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
Not too bad. Although some of the policies that start in that era, mainly the PATRIOT act, creation of the department of Homeland Security and putting all airport security in the hands of the federal government have problems.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
Probably substantially fairly similar, but hard to say really.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
I think it less likely that we would be there, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
We would probably have had somewhat less increase in the size of government. Not because I think Gore would have wanted to increase it less than Bush, but because there would have been less co-operation between congress and the presidency.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
No. I do think taxes need to be lowed (significantly more than Bush did even). However, unless spending is also lowered or at least its growth slowed or you are just deferring the taxes to be paid later. Bush increased spending a lot. In particular, the Medicare drug benefit will have a large impact on federal spending for a very long time. It was hardly the only place where he spent a lot either. He was also poor on trade, notably the steel and textile tariffs. I supported Afghanistan. I didn't support Iraq although my feelings were somewhat mixed on the issue. Some people whose opinion I take very seriously were for it and some of the reasons had some validity to me. Overall though I felt they weren't sufficient to justify it.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
I probably won't vote for Bush. I probably won't vote for Kerry, There is virtually no chance at all I will vote for Nader. I'll probably vote Libertarian again depending on who their candidate is. If nothing else I'll leave it blank.
US/US
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Brown
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Probably Brown (although some people have been critical of some things he said after 9/11, I haven't read them myself but its possible that would change my mind).
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
Not too bad. Although some of the policies that start in that era, mainly the PATRIOT act, creation of the department of Homeland Security and putting all airport security in the hands of the federal government have problems.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
Probably substantially fairly similar, but hard to say really.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
I think it less likely that we would be there, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
We would probably have had somewhat less increase in the size of government. Not because I think Gore would have wanted to increase it less than Bush, but because there would have been less co-operation between congress and the presidency.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
No. I do think taxes need to be lowed (significantly more than Bush did even). However, unless spending is also lowered or at least its growth slowed or you are just deferring the taxes to be paid later. Bush increased spending a lot. In particular, the Medicare drug benefit will have a large impact on federal spending for a very long time. It was hardly the only place where he spent a lot either. He was also poor on trade, notably the steel and textile tariffs. I supported Afghanistan. I didn't support Iraq although my feelings were somewhat mixed on the issue. Some people whose opinion I take very seriously were for it and some of the reasons had some validity to me. Overall though I felt they weren't sufficient to justify it.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
I probably won't vote for Bush. I probably won't vote for Kerry, There is virtually no chance at all I will vote for Nader. I'll probably vote Libertarian again depending on who their candidate is. If nothing else I'll leave it blank.
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1.Spain/US/US
2. Not old enough to vote, but i was supporting Bush
3.Gore, or libertarian...most likely libertarian
4.yes
5.Similar reaction, its hard to presume what would have happened regarding afghanistan, i would say a 50/50 chance that we would take out the taliban
6.no, same goes for McCain or anyone else that was running
7.No patriot act, no Iraq war, less focus on taking away social freedom, and trying to manage a high economy, as well as Gore trying to model himself after clinton in a manner.
8.Hell no, he will go down in history as one of the worst, if not the worst president the US has EVER had. If we had a somewhat intelligent man in the office, specially after 9/11 and other terrorist attacks, he would be increadibly popular and the nation would most likely be united. At this day in age, its very surprising that the nation is compleatly divided, and of course this has everything to do with Bush being the president of the US. I know several die hard republicans who have voted partisan in every election, but are voting against Bush, becouse of the peice of shit that he is. I wouldnt be surprised if my dad and one of my older brothers, who are both incredibly republican due to there careers will break the barrier and vote against Bush.
9. Kerry, he may not be the best the countrys got but he has a very important task ahead of him, that task is removing the worst president in modern, and maybe even all of US history.
2. Not old enough to vote, but i was supporting Bush
3.Gore, or libertarian...most likely libertarian
4.yes
5.Similar reaction, its hard to presume what would have happened regarding afghanistan, i would say a 50/50 chance that we would take out the taliban
6.no, same goes for McCain or anyone else that was running
7.No patriot act, no Iraq war, less focus on taking away social freedom, and trying to manage a high economy, as well as Gore trying to model himself after clinton in a manner.
8.Hell no, he will go down in history as one of the worst, if not the worst president the US has EVER had. If we had a somewhat intelligent man in the office, specially after 9/11 and other terrorist attacks, he would be increadibly popular and the nation would most likely be united. At this day in age, its very surprising that the nation is compleatly divided, and of course this has everything to do with Bush being the president of the US. I know several die hard republicans who have voted partisan in every election, but are voting against Bush, becouse of the peice of shit that he is. I wouldnt be surprised if my dad and one of my older brothers, who are both incredibly republican due to there careers will break the barrier and vote against Bush.
9. Kerry, he may not be the best the countrys got but he has a very important task ahead of him, that task is removing the worst president in modern, and maybe even all of US history.
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For all of you who are blind enough to believe that Bush is doing a geat job on terrorism ask yourself these questions.
In the next four years WILL LESS AMERICANS DIE (soldiers included) if george bush or john kerry are elected?
WOULD LESS AMERICANS HAVE DIED (soldiers and civilians) if gore defeated bush in year 2000?
In the next four years WILL LESS AMERICANS DIE (soldiers included) if george bush or john kerry are elected?
WOULD LESS AMERICANS HAVE DIED (soldiers and civilians) if gore defeated bush in year 2000?
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1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
US/US
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Nader
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Gore, maybe. Doesn't matter because I live in Texas, so we lose out to the conservatives
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
He did alright.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
I think we would have gone into Afghanistan and continued to search for Al Qeada. I don't think Gore would have tried to snow the American public into thinking that Saddam had anything to do with it.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Not unless the UN approved of it.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
I would feel more secure about my personal freedoms for one and not be so worried about the government imposing personal moralities on us. The rest of the world wouldn't hate our guts so much. We wouldn't have a massive deficit. The environment would had better protection.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
NOT AT ALL. I think he is the worst president out nation has seen in the last 100 years or more. Our economy is fucked, our rights are being challenged, the world hates us.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Kerry
US/US
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Nader
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Gore, maybe. Doesn't matter because I live in Texas, so we lose out to the conservatives
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
He did alright.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
I think we would have gone into Afghanistan and continued to search for Al Qeada. I don't think Gore would have tried to snow the American public into thinking that Saddam had anything to do with it.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Not unless the UN approved of it.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
I would feel more secure about my personal freedoms for one and not be so worried about the government imposing personal moralities on us. The rest of the world wouldn't hate our guts so much. We wouldn't have a massive deficit. The environment would had better protection.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
NOT AT ALL. I think he is the worst president out nation has seen in the last 100 years or more. Our economy is fucked, our rights are being challenged, the world hates us.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Kerry
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1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
Texas. Okay, okay....the USA. *cough*texas*cough*
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Sadly, I didn't. I live in Texas, and was 100% certain that all our electorals were going to Dubya. This election, I'm not making the same mistake. That asshat needs to be removed.
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Whoever stands the best chance of beating Bush.
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
Marginal, at best. They were alright, but I expect anybody in such a situation would have handled it in a comparable manner, if not better.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
Really, I think this is a straw man that is too often used by the right. It's a totally moot point because Gore *wasn't* in office. We have no reasonable or accurate way to gauge what Gore would have done. It's my belief however that, whatever a man's past, when faced with an event as catastrophic as 9/11, any man would have stood up and done what needed doing. Truth be known, whatever his failings may be, Gore likely would have done a lot more than read a book about sheep to some children.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Probably not, no - and that's a good thing.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
Well, I think the biggest one would be that the PNAC would not be at the helm of our nation. We wouldn't have more arsenic in our drinking water. We wouldn't have increased air and water pollution. We wouldn't be engaged in an illegal war for dubious reasons. Our scientific councils would not be spearheaded by energy concerns. We would be much less in debt (tax and spend democrat, indeed...). Many of our civil liberties would be considerably more intact. I also doubt that we would have so much of an echo-chamber in Washington - there would be more ideas and counter-arguments floating around...and that's a *good* thing.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
Not in the least. I have been consistently disappointed.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Kerrey's not my favorite guy, for sure....but he's better than the alternative.
Texas. Okay, okay....the USA. *cough*texas*cough*
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Sadly, I didn't. I live in Texas, and was 100% certain that all our electorals were going to Dubya. This election, I'm not making the same mistake. That asshat needs to be removed.
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Whoever stands the best chance of beating Bush.
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
Marginal, at best. They were alright, but I expect anybody in such a situation would have handled it in a comparable manner, if not better.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
Really, I think this is a straw man that is too often used by the right. It's a totally moot point because Gore *wasn't* in office. We have no reasonable or accurate way to gauge what Gore would have done. It's my belief however that, whatever a man's past, when faced with an event as catastrophic as 9/11, any man would have stood up and done what needed doing. Truth be known, whatever his failings may be, Gore likely would have done a lot more than read a book about sheep to some children.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Probably not, no - and that's a good thing.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
Well, I think the biggest one would be that the PNAC would not be at the helm of our nation. We wouldn't have more arsenic in our drinking water. We wouldn't have increased air and water pollution. We wouldn't be engaged in an illegal war for dubious reasons. Our scientific councils would not be spearheaded by energy concerns. We would be much less in debt (tax and spend democrat, indeed...). Many of our civil liberties would be considerably more intact. I also doubt that we would have so much of an echo-chamber in Washington - there would be more ideas and counter-arguments floating around...and that's a *good* thing.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
Not in the least. I have been consistently disappointed.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Kerrey's not my favorite guy, for sure....but he's better than the alternative.
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1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
US/US
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Gore
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Gore
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
No. He sounded like a zealotous nutbag, similar to the Al-Queda, with the whole "Axis of Evil" thing. His early comments turned this into a modern day version of the crusades, probably putting many would be arab allies against us.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
Aside from the whole holy war on evil thing, not much different initially. There would have been increases to border security and an invasion in afghanistan. I do think Gore would have brought more diplomatic savy to the table when dealing with the middle eastern states than Bush by a large margin. I think personal freedoms would have been restricted, but not in the warped way they are presently.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Not a chance. Gore was very globally minded as VP. Unlike Bush, he would not have had a pre-set agenda to invade Iraq from the first day he took office and as a combat vet of Viet Nam, he would have known in advance what occupation of Iraq would cost us, mentally and financially. The people with their hands up GW's ass trained and placed Sadam in power, so even beyond the oil incentive for invading, they had a strong reason to invade (known as CYA) that Gore would have never shared.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
The FCC would be keeping the airwaves competitive instead of being used as a partisan tool. The massive amounts of Corperate Welfare that went out would have been severely blunted. The environmental travesties that Bush has perpetuated would have never happened. We would still be viewed favorably by most world powers, instead of the lowest world opinion since the turn of the century. Government would have been far smaller. Most importantly, I think that we would have had a much more diverse and bi-partisan Cabinet, similar to what existed under Clinton. The economy would still be sluggish, but I don't think the outsourcing crae would have been as severe.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
They have destroyed our international credibility in three years. They put us in a war that will cost us for decades in terms of diplomatic relations and finances. They have refused to be accountable on any issue, even refusing to say "I am sorry" personally over things as no brainer as the prisoner abuses. They have brought the radical christian agenda to the center of domestic policy. They have brought back the worst aspects of the McArthy era of slander. Do I need to go on?
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Here is a clue, I won't be voting for the pussy who went AWOL to avoid getting busted for coke abuse from his easy ass national guard post but had the audacity to wear his uniform and use an american aircraft carrior to stage a big publicity stunt.
US/US
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Gore
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Gore
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
No. He sounded like a zealotous nutbag, similar to the Al-Queda, with the whole "Axis of Evil" thing. His early comments turned this into a modern day version of the crusades, probably putting many would be arab allies against us.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
Aside from the whole holy war on evil thing, not much different initially. There would have been increases to border security and an invasion in afghanistan. I do think Gore would have brought more diplomatic savy to the table when dealing with the middle eastern states than Bush by a large margin. I think personal freedoms would have been restricted, but not in the warped way they are presently.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Not a chance. Gore was very globally minded as VP. Unlike Bush, he would not have had a pre-set agenda to invade Iraq from the first day he took office and as a combat vet of Viet Nam, he would have known in advance what occupation of Iraq would cost us, mentally and financially. The people with their hands up GW's ass trained and placed Sadam in power, so even beyond the oil incentive for invading, they had a strong reason to invade (known as CYA) that Gore would have never shared.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
The FCC would be keeping the airwaves competitive instead of being used as a partisan tool. The massive amounts of Corperate Welfare that went out would have been severely blunted. The environmental travesties that Bush has perpetuated would have never happened. We would still be viewed favorably by most world powers, instead of the lowest world opinion since the turn of the century. Government would have been far smaller. Most importantly, I think that we would have had a much more diverse and bi-partisan Cabinet, similar to what existed under Clinton. The economy would still be sluggish, but I don't think the outsourcing crae would have been as severe.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
They have destroyed our international credibility in three years. They put us in a war that will cost us for decades in terms of diplomatic relations and finances. They have refused to be accountable on any issue, even refusing to say "I am sorry" personally over things as no brainer as the prisoner abuses. They have brought the radical christian agenda to the center of domestic policy. They have brought back the worst aspects of the McArthy era of slander. Do I need to go on?
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Here is a clue, I won't be voting for the pussy who went AWOL to avoid getting busted for coke abuse from his easy ass national guard post but had the audacity to wear his uniform and use an american aircraft carrior to stage a big publicity stunt.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
It's a hoot that most are saying they don't believe we'd be in Iraq if Bush wasn't elected.
Monday morning quarterbacking at it's finest. Please continue with how great our world would have been with Gore...I'm sure we can stretch back and speculate about how Dukakis or Mondale would have done us all proud as well.
Let me start you off...
"Well "X" would have done a better job than "Y" for sure because were talking in the past and I can say anything I want and make it sound good!"
One thing I can be sure of is that the same people will be shitting on the next president and praising the woulda coulda shoulda candidate that didn't get elected or the up and commer that's sure to change things...we never make the right choice ya know. It's a non stop cycle that a president can do no right.
Monday morning quarterbacking at it's finest. Please continue with how great our world would have been with Gore...I'm sure we can stretch back and speculate about how Dukakis or Mondale would have done us all proud as well.
Let me start you off...
"Well "X" would have done a better job than "Y" for sure because were talking in the past and I can say anything I want and make it sound good!"
One thing I can be sure of is that the same people will be shitting on the next president and praising the woulda coulda shoulda candidate that didn't get elected or the up and commer that's sure to change things...we never make the right choice ya know. It's a non stop cycle that a president can do no right.
What an idiotic statement. Many of the people bashing Bush on here loved Clinton. Many people here like Bush. Of course people are always going to think about what could have been, but trying to equate the grass-is-greener thought process with permanent hatred for an institution is ludicrous.One thing I can be sure of is that the same people will be shitting on the next president and praising the woulda coulda shoulda candidate that didn't get elected or the up and commer that's sure to change things...we never make the right choice ya know. It's a non stop cycle that a president can do no right.
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I disagree with what you said.Winnow wrote:It's a hoot that most are saying they don't believe we'd be in Iraq if Bush wasn't elected.
Monday morning quarterbacking at it's finest. Please continue with how great our world would have been with Gore...I'm sure we can stretch back and speculate about how Dukakis or Mondale would have done us all proud as well.
Let me start you off...
"Well "X" would have done a better job than "Y" for sure because were talking in the past and I can say anything I want and make it sound good!"
One thing I can be sure of is that the same people will be shitting on the next president and praising the woulda coulda shoulda candidate that didn't get elected or the up and commer that's sure to change things...we never make the right choice ya know. It's a non stop cycle that a president can do no right.
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1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
US/US
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Noone, if I were born 2 months earlier, I would have voted for Gore.
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Gore
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
No. In going after Osama/Al-Queda, yes, but any pres would have. Patriot Act was fucking stupid though.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
I think Gore would have gone into Afganistan, but not considered Iraq. Would have handled diplomacy much better, the entire world probably would not hate us so much right now.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Not a chance.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
Our rights wouldnt be taken away, thx Patriot Act. We would still have a strong seperation of church and state. No war with Iraq. More of world would support us for sure.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
I think this is one of the worst administrations in the history of the US. Are rights are going away quicker than ever. The entire world hates us. Religion is gaining far too much power over politics.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
I will be voting for Kerry.
US/US
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Noone, if I were born 2 months earlier, I would have voted for Gore.
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Gore
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
No. In going after Osama/Al-Queda, yes, but any pres would have. Patriot Act was fucking stupid though.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
I think Gore would have gone into Afganistan, but not considered Iraq. Would have handled diplomacy much better, the entire world probably would not hate us so much right now.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Not a chance.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
Our rights wouldnt be taken away, thx Patriot Act. We would still have a strong seperation of church and state. No war with Iraq. More of world would support us for sure.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
I think this is one of the worst administrations in the history of the US. Are rights are going away quicker than ever. The entire world hates us. Religion is gaining far too much power over politics.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
I will be voting for Kerry.
Re: A few questions...
1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
US (CA) / US (WA)
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Gore
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Gore
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
No.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
About as poorly.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
No.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
Most notably, I think I wouldn't be nearly so concerned about the security of my personal freedoms if Gore had been elected. I also probably wouldn't be eyeing the border nearly as often.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
No. I think we've gone straight back to the 50's, only "communist" is now "terrorist", "HUAC" is now "DoHS", "black" is now "gay", and politicians are now agruing over who sucks more instead of who can do better...well ok. I guess SOME things never change...
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Kerry, because I think voting for anyone else will be counterproductive.
US (CA) / US (WA)
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Gore
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Gore
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
No.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
About as poorly.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
No.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
Most notably, I think I wouldn't be nearly so concerned about the security of my personal freedoms if Gore had been elected. I also probably wouldn't be eyeing the border nearly as often.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
No. I think we've gone straight back to the 50's, only "communist" is now "terrorist", "HUAC" is now "DoHS", "black" is now "gay", and politicians are now agruing over who sucks more instead of who can do better...well ok. I guess SOME things never change...
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Kerry, because I think voting for anyone else will be counterproductive.
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ludicrous!Sueven wrote:What an idiotic statement. Many of the people bashing Bush on here loved Clinton. Many people here like Bush. Of course people are always going to think about what could have been, but trying to equate the grass-is-greener thought process with permanent hatred for an institution is ludicrous.One thing I can be sure of is that the same people will be shitting on the next president and praising the woulda coulda shoulda candidate that didn't get elected or the up and commer that's sure to change things...we never make the right choice ya know. It's a non stop cycle that a president can do no right.
OK, not the "same" people. There will always be a substantial group of monday morning critics. It's much more productive discussing what Kerry or any other candidate can do to make a difference than speculate on how great someone else would have been as there's a 99 percent chance you're wrong but we'll never know. At least discussing the future possibilities provides us with something useful to consider for the upcoming elections.
...or at all.Sueven wrote:That I can agree with.There will always be a substantial group of monday morning critics.
While learning from history is important, I'll agree with you that, at this point, focus on the future is more productive. And in that vein, I'd like to see Kerry flesh out his platform a bit more.
Riding the coattails of Howard Dean's platform without actually committing to the things that Dean said he'd do just doesn't make me think that he's the kind of president that can make a choice and stick with it.
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"Those that do not remember the past will be doomed to repeat it."
I totally agree that proaction solves issues, wheras reaction and reflection don't change what has come to pass, but I don't think there's anything wrong or unreasonable about people stating their opinions when prompted. It doesn't make you a bad person to not like the way something was done in the past, or to second guess someone elses opinions. Would I want the job? Hell no, and I'll be the first person to say that.
I totally agree that proaction solves issues, wheras reaction and reflection don't change what has come to pass, but I don't think there's anything wrong or unreasonable about people stating their opinions when prompted. It doesn't make you a bad person to not like the way something was done in the past, or to second guess someone elses opinions. Would I want the job? Hell no, and I'll be the first person to say that.
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Winnow you obstinant iron skulled dullard, there is no way we would have been in Iraq if Gore had been elected (wait, he was elected!) president. The only possible scenario is if Iraq went miles out of its way to assist Al-Queda and there was iron clad proof of it. Even then, it would be unlikely. Rumsfeld and Bush were pushing for Iraq on day one of their administration taking office, for reasons that have been discussed at length already. You of course already knew this, but it apparently cannot stop you from spewing forth the ludicrous falacy that Gore would have taken the country into Iraq.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/Shaker/index.html?Jice Virago wrote:Winnow you obstinant iron skulled dullard,
Here's mine!
Jice, Thou whoreson impudent embossed rascal!
Re: A few questions...
Lol, thats great, and unfortunately so so trueTraz-KOE wrote:1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
US (CA) / US (WA)
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Gore
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Gore
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
No.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
About as poorly.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
No.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
Most notably, I think I wouldn't be nearly so concerned about the security of my personal freedoms if Gore had been elected. I also probably wouldn't be eyeing the border nearly as often.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
No. I think we've gone straight back to the 50's, only "communist" is now "terrorist", "HUAC" is now "DoHS", "black" is now "gay", and politicians are now agruing over who sucks more instead of who can do better...well ok. I guess SOME things never change...
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Kerry, because I think voting for anyone else will be counterproductive.
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Somehow I don't think prefacing my statement with the usual profanity would have gotten you to actually respond to the content of my statement, either.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
US/US
2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
McCain, then Bush
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Bush
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
No, they really blew it the day of the incident, yes I realize it was the safe and logical thing to do, but having the president fly around like a rabbit may have been logical, but it was not the smart choice, he should have been flying into NY and being on SITE that day.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
They would have been unable to react well, it is not something the DNC plans for that well. They would have handled the domestic side well, and promoted isolationist practices. Of course I might be wrong, Gore might have gotten pissed and been a great wartime leader, but any individual who could not have decisively beaten Bush should NOT be president.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Nope, and our lack of effective response would have encouraged more of the same.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
Let's see the economy was shot BEFORE the election, so we would have been hosed, and the entire world situation would have been ignored for 4 more like Clinton did for 8. But we would have had more trees in Washington State.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
No, I do not. I think we should have handled many things differently, for starters we should have unleashed the covert side of things to go hunt down and kill verified terrorist world wide. Fighting terrorism with conventional forces is one of the least effective options. I understand the national need to do something visible, but it is not the most effective return on investment. I think we should have used the dollars saved from Military ops and spent it on developing already proven alternate sources of energy, then one we could move away from oil requirements we could let the entire middle east do whatever they wanted to do.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Kerry honestly worries me, I think he is more Nixon than Reagan, and more Carter than Kennedy. Really in Michigan my vote is mostly moot since the state will give its delegates to Kerry just like the unions instruct them to, but I will be voting for Bush as things stand now.
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2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
McCain, then Bush
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Bush
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
No, they really blew it the day of the incident, yes I realize it was the safe and logical thing to do, but having the president fly around like a rabbit may have been logical, but it was not the smart choice, he should have been flying into NY and being on SITE that day.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
They would have been unable to react well, it is not something the DNC plans for that well. They would have handled the domestic side well, and promoted isolationist practices. Of course I might be wrong, Gore might have gotten pissed and been a great wartime leader, but any individual who could not have decisively beaten Bush should NOT be president.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Nope, and our lack of effective response would have encouraged more of the same.
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
Let's see the economy was shot BEFORE the election, so we would have been hosed, and the entire world situation would have been ignored for 4 more like Clinton did for 8. But we would have had more trees in Washington State.
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
No, I do not. I think we should have handled many things differently, for starters we should have unleashed the covert side of things to go hunt down and kill verified terrorist world wide. Fighting terrorism with conventional forces is one of the least effective options. I understand the national need to do something visible, but it is not the most effective return on investment. I think we should have used the dollars saved from Military ops and spent it on developing already proven alternate sources of energy, then one we could move away from oil requirements we could let the entire middle east do whatever they wanted to do.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Kerry honestly worries me, I think he is more Nixon than Reagan, and more Carter than Kennedy. Really in Michigan my vote is mostly moot since the state will give its delegates to Kerry just like the unions instruct them to, but I will be voting for Bush as things stand now.
She Dreams in Digital
\"Led Zeppelin taught an entire generation of young men how to make love, if they just listen\"- Michael Reed(2005)
\"Led Zeppelin taught an entire generation of young men how to make love, if they just listen\"- Michael Reed(2005)
1. What country were you born in/What country do you live in now?
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2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Nader
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Nader I guess, Gore won NJ 65/35 anyway and I personally couldn't stand him and his fucking droning voice. Toss in Tipper and it's a trifecta of no fucking way.
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
For the first couple of weeks following 9/11, I felt he was just what we needed. I couldn't possibly see Gore being remotely emotional about it or anything.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
He would have gone into afgan territory as well. I just can't imagine how he would have felt emotionally though. It was a very emotional time for me being witness to the events that day, if he didn't feel in kind, I probably would have spit on my tv.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Nope
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
Probably wouldn't be all that worried about abortions or gays. I imagine his concerns would have been more about the economy and music lyrics
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
Of course not. He spends like a nut job but taxes less. Everyone in big business and an ultra-high tax bracket are lining their pockets. He's also managed to contiuously scare Americans who can't seem to recognize reality.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Kerry. It's really a no-brainer. I'm pushing my parents to register in FL(snowbirds) so that their vote will mean something. While Jersey tends to run slightly democratic, party lines change a lot if the person in office is shitty. I have no worries NJ will give Kerry the nod, he needs FL.
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2. Who did you vote for in the last election?
Nader
3. Knowing what you know now, who would you vote for?
Nader I guess, Gore won NJ 65/35 anyway and I personally couldn't stand him and his fucking droning voice. Toss in Tipper and it's a trifecta of no fucking way.
4. Do you think the Bush administration handled 9/11 well in the short-term?
For the first couple of weeks following 9/11, I felt he was just what we needed. I couldn't possibly see Gore being remotely emotional about it or anything.
5. How do you think the Gore administration would have handled 9/11?
He would have gone into afgan territory as well. I just can't imagine how he would have felt emotionally though. It was a very emotional time for me being witness to the events that day, if he didn't feel in kind, I probably would have spit on my tv.
6. Do you think we'd be in Iraq at all if Gore had been elected president?
Nope
7. What other notable differences would there be had Gore been elected president?
Probably wouldn't be all that worried about abortions or gays. I imagine his concerns would have been more about the economy and music lyrics
8. Do you think the Bush administration has done a good job?
Of course not. He spends like a nut job but taxes less. Everyone in big business and an ultra-high tax bracket are lining their pockets. He's also managed to contiuously scare Americans who can't seem to recognize reality.
9. Who will you vote for in the next election? (assuming Bush/Kerry)
Kerry. It's really a no-brainer. I'm pushing my parents to register in FL(snowbirds) so that their vote will mean something. While Jersey tends to run slightly democratic, party lines change a lot if the person in office is shitty. I have no worries NJ will give Kerry the nod, he needs FL.