A "knightly" question.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » May 10, 2004, 11:11 am

You'll notice in drawings and depictions of Knights of the old that occasionally they were this sort of tunic / apron covering over their armor. (Quick example can be seen on the first 3? 4? EQ expansion boxes..)

Does anyone know what this covering was called, if it had a special name or was just alled an apron?

Dankee in advance.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » May 10, 2004, 11:20 am

Surcoat

masteen · Post by **masteen** » May 10, 2004, 11:20 am

Tabard I believe.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » May 10, 2004, 11:23 am

Looks like either will do but surcoat is cooler and less gay for not having "bard" in it!

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » May 10, 2004, 11:28 am

Tabard

P.S. WoW has Guild Tabards. Way cool. Wuwu~~ Check the screenshots of WoW and I'm sure you'll see some.

Shashonna · Post by **Shashonna** » May 10, 2004, 11:28 am

Coat armour -- A quilted garment worn over armour in the fourteenth century. Also called a gambeson, aketon or arming coat..... Maybe??

http://www.albionarmorers.com/armor/armoranatomy.htm

http://home.messiah.edu/~gdaub/armor/picgloss.htm

http://www.thule.vas.nu/kampanj/varlden ... sunnan.htm

OK not sure if this is right thing you are thinking of but hope it helps in some way hehe

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » May 10, 2004, 11:29 am

Pretty sure the "official" word for it was tabard..

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » May 10, 2004, 12:47 pm

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=surcoat

All you vikings, colonials and sundry other non-participants in medieval feudal society can shush.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » May 10, 2004, 12:50 pm

Main Entry: tab·ard
Pronunciation: 'ta-b&rd also -"bärd
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French tabart
: a short loose-fitting sleeveless or short-sleeved coat or cape: as a : a tunic worn by a knight over his armor and emblazoned with his arms b : a herald's official cape or coat emblazoned with his lord's arms c : a woman's sleeveless outer garment often with side slits

Surcoat sounds like something a faggy Brit would say.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » May 10, 2004, 12:54 pm

sur·coat ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sûrkt)
n.
A loose outer coat or gown.
A tunic worn in the Middle Ages by a knight over his armor.

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[Middle English surcote, from Old French : sur-, sur- + cote, coat; see coat.]

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surcoat

\Sur"coat`\, n. [OE. surcote, OF. surcote. See Sur-, and Coat, and cf. Overcoat.] 1. A coat worn over the other garments; especially, the long and flowing garment of knights, worn over the armor, and frequently emblazoned with the arms of the wearer.

I call your cut and paste skills and raise you some bold

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » May 10, 2004, 1:02 pm

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=tabard

tab·ard ( P )
n.
1. A short, heavy cape of coarse cloth formerly worn outdoors.
2. a. A tunic or capelike garment worn by a knight over his armor and emblazoned with his coat of arms.
b. A similar garment worn by a herald and bearing his lord's coat of arms.
3. An embroidered pennant attached to a trumpet.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » May 10, 2004, 1:13 pm

capelike

I see no mention of capeishness in Akaran's original query!

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » May 10, 2004, 3:08 pm

and I see no mention of gown-ishness.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » May 10, 2004, 3:27 pm

Surcote (Sur 'over' - Cote)

Surcot 14th
Sorcot 14th
Surcote 14th-17th (19th)
Surkote 15th
Surcotte 15th
Sercote 15th
Syrcote 15th
Circot(e) 15th-16th
Circotte 16th (erroniously Surcourt)
Surcoate 17th-
Surkoat 17th-
Surcoat 17th-
Sobrecot (Portuguese)
Pellote (Portuguese, Spanish)
Sopracotto (Italian)
Sorcotto (Italian)
An outer coat or garment, commonly of rich material, worn by people of rank of both sexes; often worn by armed men over their armor, and having the heraldic arms displayed on it.
'A surcot or over-tunic of the same length as the cotte, came with and without sleeves. Its neckline was often somewhat lower than that of the cotte and its sleeves if there, shorter and wider to that the cotte showed a little at the arms and throat' [Zylstra-Zeems, 1988]
'outer garment which replace the bliaut(d) during 12th century' [Medieval Timeline in Fashion and Events (http://romancereaderatheart.com/medieval/timeline/)]

Tabard

'sleeveless outer garment with open side-seams worn by men usually in tourneys, and always worn by heralds' [Medieval Timeline in Fashion and Events (http://romancereaderatheart.com/medieval/timeline/)]

Chronological and regional spelling, BABY!

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » May 15, 2004, 1:05 pm

Greatly appericated! Sorry for not saying thanks before, got tied up in other stuff!