Tired of high gas prices?

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » March 31, 2004, 12:21 pm

Well, they are going to go even higher! Hurrah!

http://money.cnn.com/2004/03/31/news/in ... tm?cnn=yes

Fuckin' towelheads! Lets bomb Iran!!

Siji · Post by **Siji** » March 31, 2004, 12:28 pm

Skogen wrote:Fuckin' towelheads! Lets bomb Iran!!

Careful.. Midnyte might start preaching about the need to "liberate" Iran..

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 31, 2004, 1:28 pm

Siji wrote:
Skogen wrote:Fuckin' towelheads! Lets bomb Iran!!
Careful.. Midnyte might start preaching about the need to "liberate" Iran..

LOL, stfu.

Krurk · Post by **Krurk** » March 31, 2004, 1:54 pm

While you're at it, go bomb India and China since both are requiring more fuel each year. Basic economics here, more demand = higher prices, plus less supply (OPEC) = higher prices. Combine the two, and guess what happens?

Hopefully congress will introduce some bills calling for furthur investment in alternative fuels to spook OPEC into boosting production to avoid losing market share. Already worked in the past during the 70's.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 31, 2004, 2:29 pm

Tear up Texas with oil rigs. Exploit Mexico's untapped oil. Take over Iraq's oil fields and pump it for free. Whatever makes the politicians the most money is the best solution.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 31, 2004, 3:50 pm

Wait until you obese zoloft addicts are getting the majority of your crude from canada. Then you'll see what high prices look like. Were going to make opec look like a bunch of jesuit priests handing out hard candy to orphans.

Besides, the US gets the majority of their oil from Venezuela. Maybe if you politely asked your government to stop sending the CIA down there to depose him he would stop anally raping your SUV's at the pumps.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » March 31, 2004, 4:01 pm

Actually Winnow, there are quite a few dormant oil wells around Texas and eastern New Mexico that they fire up when the price per barrel gets high enough to justify their production costs.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 31, 2004, 4:10 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:Actually Winnow, there are quite a few dormant oil wells around Texas and eastern New Mexico that they fire up when the price per barrel gets high enough to justify their production costs.

There used to be a lot more oil wells along the coast of california. Looks like they moved them offshore now.

Newfs have untapped oil supplies! I can picture gazillionaire Newfs riding around on golden Snow Mobiles, buying out websites, and forcing Vannoth to hold a FF up there!

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » March 31, 2004, 4:33 pm

kyoukan wrote:Besides, the US gets the majority of their oil from Venezuela. Maybe if you politely asked your government to stop sending the CIA down there to depose him he would stop anally raping your SUV's at the pumps.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Obviously not...

Do you have a bit of evidence other than the word of a leader who's best friends with someone who says the US is planning to invade his country (Castro) and was good friends with Saddam, among other things? What? No?

Was this meant to be a comment in jest, like the one about Midnyte making a racist comment in "every post" (although you can't find a single racist comment he's made)? I guess so, but then again, if we're using this standard the vast majority of your posts in this forum are "made in jest."

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » March 31, 2004, 4:36 pm

when does boot camp start for you brotha?

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » March 31, 2004, 4:39 pm

Xyun wrote:when does boot camp start for you brotha?

May 17th, thanks for caring

Krurk · Post by **Krurk** » March 31, 2004, 4:50 pm

Kyo

You are sitting on a shitload of oil, but most of it is shale (I think) which is pretty much a pain in the butt to extract.

The oil we get now from Mexico, South America and Africa is the most cost effective for the U.S. However, should we have to turn to Canada, the cost of extracting the shale oil would make us look back fondly on the days of $3/gallon fuel.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 31, 2004, 4:53 pm

Chavez wasn't "good friends" with Saddam Hussein. You seem to forget a lot that you aren't talking to your moronic friends and can make up whatever weird horseshit you want. Just because he visted Hussein on a tour of OPEC nations doesn't mean they are spooning in the presidential bedroom. Were that the case, then I guess Rumsfeld and Saddam are great friends too.

What Chavez is, is a democratically elected president with mountains of evidence that the US has been backing coup attempts by Venezuela's ultra wealthy minority who have been promising sweet deals for big US oil companies.

By the way, the price per barrel of oil coming out of oil producing nations is actually less now than it was 10 years ago adjusting for inflation. The high prices you are paying at the gas pumps begins and ends at the companies selling you the gas.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » March 31, 2004, 5:05 pm

Saddam personally drove Chavez around Baghdad. Chavez was the first world leader to visit Saddam since the first Gulf War.

And, as it turns out, Saddam really wasn't that bad of a guy:

Once in Iraq, Chavez further rebuffed the United States by calling for an end to UN sanctions against Saddam's country. "It turns out that Iraq is not hell and Saddam is not the devil. I call on the UN to lift sanctions against Iraq because I was there.

kyoukan wrote:What Chavez is, is a democratically elected president with mountains of evidence that the US has been backing coup attempts by Venezuela's ultra wealthy minority who have been promising sweet deals for big US oil companies.

Have you seen any of his "mountains of evidence" that the CIA is threatening to overthrow him?

kyoukan wrote:By the way, the price per barrel of oil coming out of oil producing nations is actually less now than it was 10 years ago adjusting for inflation. The high prices you are paying at the gas pumps begins and ends at the companies selling you the gas.

I'm glad we cleared up whether mystical CIA warriors in Venezuela were actually the real cause of oil prices going up.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » March 31, 2004, 5:25 pm

kyoukan wrote:Wait until you obese zoloft addicts are getting the majority of your crude from canada. Then you'll see what high prices look like. Were going to make opec look like a bunch of jesuit priests handing out hard candy to orphans.

Besides, the US gets the majority of their oil from Venezuela. Maybe if you politely asked your government to stop sending the CIA down there to depose him he would stop anally raping your SUV's at the pumps.

CANADIAN INVAZION!11!!1

smart bombs fallin on Ottowa, I can see it now...

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » March 31, 2004, 6:32 pm

kyoukan wrote: By the way, the price per barrel of oil coming out of oil producing nations is actually less now than it was 10 years ago adjusting for inflation. The high prices you are paying at the gas pumps begins and ends at the companies selling you the gas.

The price of gasoline, adjusted for inflation, has also not reached record heights (although its possible, although not generally thought probable, that it could spike that high summer).

For a good explanation of what is influencing gas prices go here.

http://www.knowledgeproblem.com/archives/000748.html

Higher crude oil is one part. Also there is the "balkanization" of the U.S. gas market. We have over 40 different formulations in use in different parts of the country. That means there is less ability to meet a shortage in one area from pulling on refineries etc elsewhere since they aren't producing the same thing. This increases the volatility of the market. Finally, the EPA’s Tier 2 sulfur control regulations kicked in this year, so we are seeing some of the extra cost from generating the lower sulfur fuel.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » March 31, 2004, 7:31 pm

kyoukan wrote:What Chavez is, is a democratically elected president with mountains of evidence that the US has been backing coup attempts by Venezuela's ultra wealthy minority who have been promising sweet deals for big US oil companies.

I'm glad you cleared this up Kooky. The "mountains" of evidence you claim are available just seems to have passed me by. Oh, did you hear where the CIA really planted the Jews in Pilate's court that wanted to crucify Jesus Christ? Those damn CIA guys sure get around...

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 31, 2004, 7:56 pm

the oil companies dont want to build more refineries, because their margins are pretty nice right now.

there arent enough refineries to meet the demand to convert petroleum to gasoline, which contributes substantially to the high price.

moral of the story, buy stock in Exxon/Mobile, Cevron/Texeco, etc.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » March 31, 2004, 8:54 pm

I am sure some of it is oil companies wanting to keep their costs down, but part of it is also the fact nobody wants a refinery built in their backyard. We haven't had a new refinery built in the U.S. since 1976.

The large number of formulation as i mentioned above though means you would need a large amount of excess capacity. Imagine if you have 40 different formulations, 2 refineries making each one. If you want to be able to take up the slack for a refinery going down anywhere, you need 40 extra refineries. If you have one formulation, since it is unlikely you would have 40 refineries all down at once, you could get by with considerably less extra capability (plus potentially the ability to deal with foreign refineries a lot easier).

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 31, 2004, 9:15 pm

This is too hilarious not to point out:

Brotha makes this statement:

and was good friends with Saddam

Kyoukan, shocked, says:

Chavez wasn't "good friends" with Saddam Hussein

Oh nos! The gauntlet has been laid down!

In response, Brotha delivers a Chavez quote that will implicate him once and for all:

Saddam is not the devil

Ouch. That's quite a jump you took, from "not the devil" (his words) to "good friend" (your words). Might want to re-evaluate this one.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » March 31, 2004, 11:23 pm

Sueven wrote:In response, Brotha delivers a Chavez quote that will implicate him once and for all:

In response, Brotha also said this:

Brotha wrote:Saddam personally drove Chavez around Baghdad. Chavez was the first world leader to visit Saddam since the first Gulf War.

Sorry, your selective quoting was too hilarious not to point out.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » April 1, 2004, 2:00 am

Saddam personally drove Chavez around Baghdad. Chavez was the first world leader to visit Saddam since the first Gulf War.

And Nixon chilled with Mao and strolled the great wall with Deng Xiaoping. What's your point?

Last time I checked, leaders of sovereign nations were expected to meet with one another as part of their job description. Your evidence consists of:

1. They met professionally.
2. Chavez said that Saddam was "not a devil."

That's not a very convincing case dude. I really couldn't care less that he was the first leader to visit Saddam since the gulf war. Maybe if more leaders took the initiative to understand and visit the middle east, this mess wouldn't be what it is today.

Edit: I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong; I don't know. But if this is all the evidence you have, to draw the conclusions that you've drawn is pretty farcical.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » April 1, 2004, 2:35 am

Let's just go over it. No world leader had been willing to visit Saddam- Chavez broke through that barrier and became the first one to visit him in years. In that visit, Saddam personally escorted Chavez around Baghdad, and it culminated with Chavez blasting the US, saying that Saddam really isn't as bad as people think, and asking for sanctions to be lifted.

Can you name a world leader who's shown evidence of being better friends with him? Kim Jong Ill maybe? Relatively speaking, I think all of these factors qualify him as being "good friends" with Saddam.

But this is arguing semantics. My point was that Chavez is an American hating, communist asshole- which automatically qualifies him as someone whose word kyoukan will take at face value.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 1, 2004, 4:34 am

chavez is a marxist, not a communist. I'm sure that's a difficult differentiation in your fucking worthless inbred excuse for a brain, but that's not my fault.

also, its so fucking easy to find evidence supporting my accusation that I didn't feel it was necessary to post links.

http://www.counterpunch.org/blum0414.html

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/231003ciacoup.html

http://www.icl-fi.org/ENGLISH/Ven787.ht ... 203I.shtml

http://www.rense.com/general24/hug.htm

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » April 1, 2004, 9:25 am

Chmee wrote:The price of gasoline, adjusted for inflation, has also not reached record heights (although its possible, although not generally thought probable, that it could spike that high summer).

For a good explanation of what is influencing gas prices go here.

http://www.knowledgeproblem.com/archives/000748.html

Higher crude oil is one part. Also there is the "balkanization" of the U.S. gas market. We have over 40 different formulations in use in different parts of the country. That means there is less ability to meet a shortage in one area from pulling on refineries etc elsewhere since they aren't producing the same thing. This increases the volatility of the market. Finally, the EPA’s Tier 2 sulfur control regulations kicked in this year, so we are seeing some of the extra cost from generating the lower sulfur fuel.

Not surprsingly, I don't really see any of this as an issue nor do I really mind the prices currently. So long as the new formulas actually improve emissions instead of handing out a buddy contract to an additive company based on unproven results, I don't mind. Just get a more fuel efficient car as far as I'm concerned. Not every vehicle needs to be the size of a short school bus just to haul around a single child. A good alternative might be a subaru outback or forrester for instance.

The one thing that link didn't discuss w/ regards to price is the state tax level. Honestly, that can swing a price a great deal. For instance, New Jersey has a very low gasoline tax so the price for regular ranges from $1.59 to about $1.65 for full service and $1.75 to around $1.85 for premium. The prices at the Sunoco I go to haven't fluctuated much at all in the last couple of months and sits at $1.61 for regular currently.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » April 1, 2004, 1:44 pm

Compared with Gasoline

Diet Snapple 16 oz $1.29 .......... $10.32 per gallon
Lipton Ice Tea 16 oz $1.19 ...........$9.52 per gallon
Gatorade 20 oz $1.59 .... $10.17 per gallon
Ocean Spray 16 oz $1.25 .......... $10.00 per gallon
Brake Fluid 12 oz $3.15 ........... $33.60 per gallon
Vick's Nyquil 6 oz $8.35 .... $178.13 per gallon
Pepto Bismol 4 oz $3.85 ....... $123.20 per gallon
Whiteout 7 oz $1.39 ....... . $25.42 per gallon
Scope 1.5 oz $0.99 $84.48 per gallon
Evian water 9 oz $1.49..........$21.19 per gallon

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 1, 2004, 2:06 pm

chmee yes nobody wants refineries near them, absolutely. And nobody also wants to invest in building more of them.

i was surprised to see no mention of the refinery piece in a discussion of gas prices on "The News Hour" last night.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » April 1, 2004, 3:28 pm

kyoukan wrote:chavez is a marxist, not a communist. I'm sure that's a difficult differentiation in your fucking worthless inbred excuse for a brain, but that's not my fault.

also, its so fucking easy to find evidence supporting my accusation that I didn't feel it was necessary to post links.

http://www.counterpunch.org/blum0414.html

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/231003ciacoup.html

http://www.icl-fi.org/ENGLISH/Ven787.ht ... 203I.shtml

http://www.rense.com/general24/hug.htm

Sorry, I'll try to get my terminology right next time.

Hahahaha out of mountains of evidence that's the best you can do?

First link:

How do we know that the CIA was behind the coup that overthrew Hugo Chavez?

Same way we know that the sun will rise tomorrow morning. That's what it's always done and there's no reason to think that tomorrow morning will be any different.

Wow...that's pretty damning there. If only we had had "mountains of evidence" for WMDs.

So you have a bunch of legislators allied with Chavez who see a video of three foreigners (I'm sure the CIA loves to be video taped when they're doing covert ops) and they assume it's the CIA?

Venezuelan legislators allied with President Hugo Chavez showed a videotape today they said is evidence the CIA was working with dissidents to overthrow the government of the oil-rich South American country.

The video, shown at a news conference at Venezuela's Congress, featured three men speaking in Spanish about espionage, making contacts with an unspecified embassy, and avoiding detection. The identities of those on the tape were unknown.

Governing party legislator Nicolas Maduro said the video showed U.S. secret agents training dissident military officers and municipal police in espionage and terrorist tactics. He said it was filmed in Venezuela in June.

In September, Chavez said his government had a videotape showing a CIA officer training Venezuelan police and civilians in spying.

"One day it will come out," Chavez said when asked about the videotape.

The U.S. Embassy said in a statement the video presented by pro-Chavez legislators showed an event held by a private security company, not CIA agents. It added the U.S. government did not participate in the event.

"Accusations that the Central Intelligence Agency is conspiring against the Venezuelan government don't have any foundation," read the statement.

3rd link doesn't work.

Fourth link reverts back to the most damning piece from the "mountain of evidence."

How do we know that the CIA was behind the coup that overthrew Hugo Chavez?

Same way we know that the sun will rise tomorrow morning. That's what it's always done and there's no reason to think that tomorrow morning will be any different.

So aside from some extremely circumstancial evidence and the word of an American hating COMMUNIST, you have nothing else. Just admit it and save google some pain.

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