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Is Bush strong on drafting your children?

Post by Fesuni Chopsui »

I received this in an email recently...
REINSTATEMENT OF THE DRAFT

Dear Friends and Family,
I urge you to read the article below on the current
agenda of the federal government to reinstate the
draft in order to staff up for a protracted war on
"terrorism."

Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin
bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the program so the
draft could begin at early as Spring 2005--
conveniently just after the 2004 presidential
election! But the administration is quietly trying to
get these bills passed NOW, so our action is needed
immediately. Details and links follow. This plan would
among other things eliminate higher education as a
shelter and would not exclude women -- and Canada is
no longer an option.


Please send this on to all the parents and teachers
you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents,
godparents.... And let your children know-- it's their
future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!


Please also write to your representatives to ask them
why they aren't telling their constituents about these
bills -- and write to newspapers and other media
outlets to ask them why they're not covering this
important story.

The Draft

$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective
Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military
draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. SSS
must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system,
which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for
activation. Please see website:
http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the
SSS Annual Performance Plan - Fiscal Year 2004.

The Pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to
fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070
appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an
unpopular election year topic, military experts and
influential members of Congress are suggesting that if
Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq
and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on
"terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no
choice but to draft.

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and H.R. 163
forward this year, entitled the Universal National
Service Act of 2003, "To provide for the common
defense by requiring that all young persons [age
18--26] in the United States, including women, perform
a period of military service or a period of civilian
service in furtherance of the national defense and
homeland security, and for other purposes." These
active bills currently sit in the Committee on Armed
Services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those
from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will
not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US
signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be
used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by
Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, John Manley, and
US Homeland Security Director, Gov. Tom Ridge, the
declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements,
among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of
people entering and departing each country. Reforms
aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender
and class lines also eliminates higher education as a
shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone
service until the end of their cur-rent semester.
Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

This article by Adam Stutz is from the "What's Hot Off
the Press" column of the newsletter of Project
Censored, a media research group at Sonoma State
University that tracks the news published in
independent journals and newsletters. From these,
Project Censored compiles an annual list (more than 20
years running) of 25 news stories of social
significance that have been overlooked,
under-reported, or self-censored by the country's
major national news media. The mission of Project
Censored is "to educate people about the role of
independent journalism in a democratic society
and to tell The News That Didn't Make the News and why."
Not sure as to the legitimacy of this email, because it honestly did come from a biased source.

However, I read the bill that is supposedly being proposed and frankly, it does scare me..

The link and info for the bill is the following:http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legisl ... e_home.htm

Search for "S 89", then later search for "HR 163" where it says "By Number" and you'll find the articles.

I'm not sure if this has been discussed here yet, but if it has - I apologize for the repost..

Anywho, does anyone else out there have anymore information about this or have any of you heard of this happening as well?
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Post by Crystinia »

Dont think ots true. i can research it..

I do know all services are downsizing over next 2 yrs. looking at almost 3,000-7000 this yr alone(Services wide)
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From this at the senate.gov.

SEC. 2. NATIONAL SERVICE OBLIGATION.

(a) OBLIGATION FOR YOUNG PERSONS- It is the obligation of every citizen of the United States, and every other person residing in the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a period of national service as prescribed in this Act unless exempted under the provisions of this Act.

(b) FORM OF NATIONAL SERVICE- National service under this Act shall be performed either--

(1) as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services; or

(2) in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and homeland security.

(c) INDUCTION REQUIREMENTS- The President shall provide for the induction of persons covered by subsection (a) to perform national service under this Act.

(d) SELECTION FOR MILITARY SERVICE- Based upon the needs of the uniformed services, the President shall--

(1) determine the number of persons covered by subsection (a) whose service is to be performed as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services; and

(2) select the individuals among those persons who are to be inducted for military service under this Act.

(e) CIVILIAN SERVICE- Persons covered by subsection (a) who are not selected for military service under subsection (d) shall perform their national service obligation under this Act in a civilian capacity pursuant to subsection (b)(2).

SEC. 3. TWO-YEAR PERIOD OF NATIONAL SERVICE.

(a) GENERAL RULE- Except as otherwise provided in this section, the period of national service performed by a person under this Act shall be two years.

(b) GROUNDS FOR EXTENSION- At the discretion of the President, the period of military service for a member of the uniformed services under this Act may be extended--

(1) with the consent of the member, for the purpose of furnishing hospitalization, medical, or surgical care for injury or illness incurred in line of duty; or

(2) for the purpose of requiring the member to compensate for any time lost to training for any cause.

(c) EARLY TERMINATION- The period of national service for a person under this Act shall be terminated before the end of such period under the following circumstances:

(1) The voluntary enlistment and active service of the person in an active or reserve component of the uniformed services for a period of at least two years, in which case the period of basic military training and education actually served by the person shall be counted toward the term of enlistment.

(2) The admission and service of the person as a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, the Coast Guard Academy, or the United States Merchant Marine Academy.

(3) The enrollment and service of the person in an officer candidate program, if the person has signed an agreement to accept a Reserve commission in the appropriate service with an obligation to serve on active duty if such a commission is offered upon completion of the program.

(4) Such other grounds as the President may establish.
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Post by Voronwë »

well since the National Guard is currently working as a foreign occupying force, i'm not sure how we can downsize the army.
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Some democrat tabled a bill last year calling for the draft to be reinstated because the government was preparing to send the military off to Iraq with a noticable lack of sons and daughters of serving congress members (I believe one member has a child in the military).

The odds of a draft being put into effect are around the same odds of Midnyte admitting he's gay.

The military would opposse a draft on so many levels, with a few being:

An all-volunteer military means that those serving in it want to be there and will take pride in their actions. Forcing people into the military would result in a decline in the effectivenes of all units as they absorb unwilling members.

Draft ain't cheap.

There would likely be many loopholes granting exceptions to people based upon college attendance, objectors and people with a rich daddy. Can anyone picture Paris Hilton in BDU's holding an M-16 and knowing that she is responsible for ensuring your freedom? Because of this, the draft would inherently be racist because blacks and hispanics statisically rank lower then whites in terms of college attendance.

And finally, it would be hugely unpopular with the voters who would likely boot anyone out of office who voted for one.

The future of the military at this point is in stand off systems and small mobile units that can be quickly deployed around the world.
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Post by Sylvus »

I'm pretty sure we discussed this in another thread.

http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... ight=draft
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Woops! Sorry about the repost :oops:
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Post by Voronwë »

i think Krurk makes one huge important point. For the most part the military doesnt want a draft.

From interviews I have heard, they are proud to have an all volunteer force, and don't want the administrative headache of dealing with soldiers who dont want to be there.
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Post by Midnyte_Ragebringer »

Krurk wrote: The odds of a draft being put into effect are around the same odds of Midnyte admitting he's gay.
Let's hope. I would hate for a time to come where that would be necessary.
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Post by Voronwë »

the part about the draft, or the part about being a butt pirate?

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LOL

The draft part.
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ON top of the downsizing i posted earlier, i also see of US stationed Billets(or military Jobs) are being converted to US contracted employee's.

Really Doubt the Draft will happen for a long time to come. or Hell freezing over
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Arrrr! :twisted:
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Post by Winnow »

The last thing I'd want is a draft if I was in the military. I'd much rather have someone who chose to be in the service.

Being gay wouldnt get you out of the service these days. It's probably preferred as it would cut down on those embarrassing pregnancies.

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