American Idol

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 17, 2004, 4:06 pm

Well the finals started last night. I missed the first performance but saw the rest. I think this season is going to be rough once they get down to the final 6 or so.

I think Leah will be the first to go. Seemed obvious she was out of her league last night. Anyone else watch it last night?

Deward · Post by **Deward** » March 17, 2004, 5:32 pm

I watched the first few episodes to laugh at the really bad people but I can only take so many commercials and Ryan Secrest. I do like the fact that Randy isn't pulling as many punches as he did last year.

Dups. · Post by **Dups.** » March 17, 2004, 6:31 pm

Well , my wife watches this show so I tune in once in a while.

It's actually pretty neat. If I want to watch a hockey game that is playing during American Idol I simply switch to the game during American Idol commercials. To tell you the truth. It's like I never watched American Idol. It's just commercial after commercial.

I'd switch to the game and about 3 or 4 minutes later my wife is like "Switch it back." Fearing that she will miss anything. I would laugh and say "Come on' you know they have 20 more commercials to do first.". I would switch it back to please her! Behold!!!! It was a commercial follow by still 3 or 4 more! lol

Anyhow, I do not follow it enough to care about the people's names but that football guy is cool and that one guy that sang the elvis "Little less conversation" I find he looks like the lead singer for "Our lady Peace". Anyhow, he is good.

As for the girls , dunno. The one with biggest tits and nicest body gets my vote.... If I was American that is.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 17, 2004, 6:35 pm

I can't bring myself to watch American Idol this time around. After seeing the sad products of last season's (Gay Aitken and even Rubben is just getting really bad with his tacky cameo's and the like) I just can't support the premise anymore.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » March 17, 2004, 9:08 pm

It's one of the few shows the wife and I actually watch. The only thing that really bugs me about it more than anything else is the audience always tries to boo over what Simon has to say. Oddly, they're booing over the most important part of the show and most entertaining. There seems to be about 5 or 6 people who are heads and shoulders above the others. It's also interesting that it seems the contestants are, either, about 17 or nearly 25

Ennia · Post by **Ennia** » March 18, 2004, 12:38 pm

the sad part also is Simon is mostly right, I think people just boo him for the sake of booing someone and they don't have a heart to boo the performer

This looks to be the most talented Idol so far, there can be only one idol but like it's been said 5 or 6 people will most likely start their career with this show.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » March 18, 2004, 12:41 pm

I think the top 3 are going to include Fantasia, George, and Latoya. I agree with all three people in the bottom last night and I wouldn't care if any of them got booted. My wife likes the pink haired chick and hates JPL.
Personally I like the voice of the 16 year old from Georgia but I think she and that football player guy have an air of arrogance about them that really makes sick. At least in that last two years, people had some humility about them and you felt they deserved to be there. Now it just seems fake. My favorite to win is George because he is the most genuine out of the whole lot. (the Hawaiin chicks are hot though)

Lor · Post by **Lor** » March 18, 2004, 7:15 pm

I agree with you Grizz, the bottom 3 deserved to be there, I do like the pink hair girl's voice though.... The 16 year old that went last on Tuesday is my favorite to win, out of all of them I like her voice the most. The Hawaiin girls just piss me off for some reason, It's gotta be that hand sign thing they do... I'm so sick and tired of that shit that I flip off the TV everytime they do it.

-Edit- George does have a good voice and great stage skills, I enjoy watching him perform.....since shaving off the 'stache he looks a lot younger don't he?

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 18, 2004, 7:35 pm

This season the only thing any of the guys have going for them is personality. The girls are much stronger vocally. George is the only guy who deserves to make it into the top 6 (when only considering vocals), but from there up, I don't know.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 18, 2004, 7:39 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:I can't bring myself to watch American Idol this time around. After seeing the sad products of last season's (Gay Aitken and even Rubben is just getting really bad with his tacky cameo's and the like) I just can't support the premise anymore.

lol

If you expect so much out of TV, enjoy PBS....

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » March 18, 2004, 7:45 pm

The History Channel

/win

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 19, 2004, 3:05 pm

NASA Channel!*

*when there are live events and briefings, otherwise any HDTV channel (Discovery-HD)

miir · Post by **miir** » March 20, 2004, 8:26 pm

The only reason American Idol is worth watching

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 20, 2004, 8:31 pm

Lalanae wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:I can't bring myself to watch American Idol this time around. After seeing the sad products of last season's (Gay Aitken and even Rubben is just getting really bad with his tacky cameo's and the like) I just can't support the premise anymore.
lol

If you expect so much out of TV, enjoy PBS....

Hey now! It's not that I expect much out of it, I just can't bring myself to. Watching it was fun, it was the aftermath. I get ill whenever I hear about Clay Aitken honestly.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 20, 2004, 8:51 pm

I don't want to piss all over your thread, but how can you stand watching American Idol. It's worse than Star Search was.

I guess my main problem with it is that taking someone who happens to be born with a decent singing voice and giving them access to an army of personal stylists and image consultants and then declaring they are a star annoys me. The creation of music should start at the actual level of creation, not just glorified karaoke. Yeah great, you can sing someone else's songs. How fucking wonderful for you.

Also, the judges grate on me. Hey, Simon, I Don't Mean To Be Rude, But what exactly have you produced that you can be such a cunt. I've never fucking heard of any of the shit bands you are responsible for, and sfrankly neither has anyone else. I can lift my leg and fart and I am responsible for the production of better content that you are. I guess that's why the only thing you can afford to wear are t-shirts from wal-mart. And get a new hair style dude, you look like Dick Clark only less hip with an infinitely worse resume.

And if that black dude says the word "dawg" one more time I am going to enter next year's contest just so I can leap over their table and beat him to death with his coca cola cup. Christ almighty my friend, you're so totally "down" with the cool kids. You understand us and you're so "hip" to our totally cutting edge vernacular. WE FUCKING GET IT, DAWG.

The only good reality TV is the cruel shit on Fox though, in my opinion.

Anuin · Post by **Anuin** » March 20, 2004, 11:01 pm

kyoukan wrote: Also, the judges grate on me. Hey, Simon, I Don't Mean To Be Rude, But what exactly have you produced that you can be such a cunt. I've never fucking heard of any of the shit bands you are responsible for, and sfrankly neither has anyone else. I can lift my leg and fart and I am responsible for the production of better content that you are. I guess that's why the only thing you can afford to wear are t-shirts from wal-mart. And get a new hair style dude, you look like Dick Clark only less hip with an infinitely worse resume.

Cowell, 43, is reportedly worth $48 million (GBP30 million) thanks to his management post on BMG RECORDS, and his ownership of S RECORDS and a television production company called SIMCOW.

Right... Google, do you use it?

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » March 21, 2004, 12:33 am

Edit: I am stupid.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 21, 2004, 12:41 am

so what bands has he produced? even his profile on the american idol website is too embarrased to name anything except for one sub par boy band that didn't even have a hit.

I don't give a fuck what he owns or how rich he is.

FYI, Simcow is the production company he formed AFTER he got famous on AI. Whatever S Records is, you'll have to google more and let me know, because they don't seem to be a record label incorporated in any country.

IT WAS A GOOD TRY THOUGH

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 21, 2004, 2:27 am

kyoukan wrote:I don't want to piss all over your thread, but how can you stand watching American Idol. It's worse than Star Search was.

I guess my main problem with it is that taking someone who happens to be born with a decent singing voice and giving them access to an army of personal stylists and image consultants and then declaring they are a star annoys me. The creation of music should start at the actual level of creation, not just glorified karaoke. Yeah great, you can sing someone else's songs. How fucking wonderful for you.

Also, the judges grate on me. Hey, Simon, I Don't Mean To Be Rude, But what exactly have you produced that you can be such a cunt. I've never fucking heard of any of the shit bands you are responsible for, and sfrankly neither has anyone else. I can lift my leg and fart and I am responsible for the production of better content that you are. I guess that's why the only thing you can afford to wear are t-shirts from wal-mart. And get a new hair style dude, you look like Dick Clark only less hip with an infinitely worse resume.

And if that black dude says the word "dawg" one more time I am going to enter next year's contest just so I can leap over their table and beat him to death with his coca cola cup. Christ almighty my friend, you're so totally "down" with the cool kids. You understand us and you're so "hip" to our totally cutting edge vernacular. WE FUCKING GET IT, DAWG.

The only good reality TV is the cruel shit on Fox though, in my opinion.

I have to completely disagree with you on one thing. A person's voice is an instrument. Most people in the music industry have only ONE real talent, whether it is song writing, playing an instrument, etc. Bands proliferate because good music making is usually a collaborative process. RARELY will you find someone who can write good music, write good lyrics, play the instruments in the music AND sing well on top of that. In fact, I can't think of a single person who does all of that without some collaboration from various people. Why does a person have to write music in order to gain respect for their singing talent? That's silly. You don't expect great football players to design plays. Thats what the coach is there for. The athletes just lend their physical abilities (the ability to enact the play) just like singers lend their physical abilities (the ability to enact the vocal music).

Talented singers are not just born with good voices. There is a lot of practice and training involved, just like any other musical skill. Maybe you don't enjoy hearing a really amazing singing voice, just like some people don't care about how well lyrics are written or how great the artist plays the piano. It's all a matter of preference. Singing other people's songs just allows the singer to showcase their talent while providing a basis for comparison. It allows the judges to also know when the singers is off on notes, which couldn't be done if the singers were singing original music.

The rest of your post is just all your opinion or really irrelevent to why I watch. I enjoy the show and have since the first season.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 21, 2004, 2:31 am

Dregor Thule wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:I can't bring myself to watch American Idol this time around. After seeing the sad products of last season's (Gay Aitken and even Rubben is just getting really bad with his tacky cameo's and the like) I just can't support the premise anymore.
lol

If you expect so much out of TV, enjoy PBS....
Hey now! It's not that I expect much out of it, I just can't bring myself to. Watching it was fun, it was the aftermath. I get ill whenever I hear about Clay Aitken honestly.

He drudges up all that repressed homosexuality, huh? Ok, I understand now.

Etasi · Post by **Etasi** » March 21, 2004, 8:04 am

Lalanae wrote:I have to completely disagree with you on one thing. A person's voice is an instrument. Most people in the music industry have only ONE real talent, whether it is song writing, playing an instrument, etc. Bands proliferate because good music making is usually a collaborative process. RARELY will you find someone who can write good music, write good lyrics, play the instruments in the music AND sing well on top of that.

First, I have to say that I haven't seen much of American Idol. I've seen an episode here and there, but I don't follow the show. However, I've heard enough of the winners/finalists to feel that I know the best the show has to offer.

On that basis, I have to say that the singers on American Idol are really not very good. The songs they choose, for the most part, aren't very good either (or perhaps it's better to say that their interpretations of the songs they choose aren't very good), especially the songs they have written for them on their albums after the show. It's all trite, schmaltzy pop crap, with no real emotion, nothing that makes you go 'wow, they're an amazing singer,' and no purpose behind their songs but the desire to be famous and make money. There is nothing artistic about what any of the American Idol contestants or winners do.

That doesn't mean they all totally suck; I just don't think it's fitting to defend the artistic merit of their work. There are definitely people out there who are such amazing singers that it doesn't matter if they write their songs or not, or if they can play an instrument. The American Idol people are not those people. Maybe if they could write a song or play an instrument it would make up for their vocal mediocrity and I could respect them more as artists.

(I can't make this post without admitting that I would probably watch American Idol if it were trashy. I mean, I've been watching America's Next Top Model...)

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 21, 2004, 2:31 pm

Lalanae wrote:He drudges up all that repressed homosexuality, huh? Ok, I understand now.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 21, 2004, 3:45 pm

Well I would say that 90% of the artists I listen to or respect write a good portion of their own content and know how to play instruments. Anyone can sing. Hell I know people who can sing easily as well has the majority of the people on that show. Singing at that level of just regurgitating other people's songs isn't that big of a deal to me.

To say that not many singers do anything but sing is ludicrous though. In fact I can hardly even think of any memorable pop/rock singers that went down in history just because they had a singing voice. Celine Dion, I guess is the most memorable one who is just a voice/image. Even Elvis wrote most of his own songs.

American Idol is a personification of everything that is wrong with the music industry, in my opinion. You take these nobody karaoke singers, slap a coat of paint on them and put them in some nice clothes and say "okay this person is a famous super star pop singer" and everyone goes "yes (s)he is" and runs out to buy their album. I just think that the creation of a good song is more than just someone who can sing. There will always be exceptions to this. For example, opera singers. But an opera singer's voice is actually an instrument and they spend their lives perfecting it. Kelly Clarkson yammering out some Patty Smith song doesn't cut it for me.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 21, 2004, 3:53 pm

Etasi wrote:
Lalanae wrote:I have to completely disagree with you on one thing. A person's voice is an instrument. Most people in the music industry have only ONE real talent, whether it is song writing, playing an instrument, etc. Bands proliferate because good music making is usually a collaborative process. RARELY will you find someone who can write good music, write good lyrics, play the instruments in the music AND sing well on top of that.
First, I have to say that I haven't seen much of American Idol. I've seen an episode here and there, but I don't follow the show. However, I've heard enough of the winners/finalists to feel that I know the best the show has to offer.

On that basis, I have to say that the singers on American Idol are really not very good. The songs they choose, for the most part, aren't very good either (or perhaps it's better to say that their interpretations of the songs they choose aren't very good), especially the songs they have written for them on their albums after the show. It's all trite, schmaltzy pop crap, with no real emotion, nothing that makes you go 'wow, they're an amazing singer,' and no purpose behind their songs but the desire to be famous and make money. There is nothing artistic about what any of the American Idol contestants or winners do.

That doesn't mean they all totally suck; I just don't think it's fitting to defend the artistic merit of their work. There are definitely people out there who are such amazing singers that it doesn't matter if they write their songs or not, or if they can play an instrument. The American Idol people are not those people. Maybe if they could write a song or play an instrument it would make up for their vocal mediocrity and I could respect them more as artists.

(I can't make this post without admitting that I would probably watch American Idol if it were trashy. I mean, I've been watching America's Next Top Model...)

Most of them aren't great, but some of them are really good. You admit to not watching it much, so you really wouldn't know. Seeing some of them grow as vocalists and performers is really quite interesting. You call the music trite schmalty crap, yet they sing some of the greatest songs ever written. Yes, some of it I don't care for, but how can you call Otis Redding or Marvin Gaye trite and schmalty crap? Oh, but you've only watched a couple episodes.

Also you say that there is "no purpose behind their songs but the desire to be famous and make money." I beg to differ. Most of them got into singing because they love music. None of them just walked off the street with no singing experience. They were singing long before American Idol. It wasn't about making money then? Besides, whats so wrong about wanting to make money? You have a job right? There is nothing wrong with doing what you enjoy to make money.

You sound like an elitist snob out of touch with the reality of the American music industry. Music doesn't always have to be so fucking serious.
The title of the show is American Idol, NOT American Artist. No one is pretending to be a musical prodigy. It's fun American style music industry fluff.

I don't read anything that is "literary." But, you don't see me criticizing Stephen King, Tom Clancey, or Robert Jordan as hacks just because I don't see them as literary artists. Popular fiction, like popular music has its place in society. Enjoying the benefits of high art is something that doesn't come to everyone. You shouldn't look down your nose. You should appreciate that you have your pleasures and the masses have theirs.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 21, 2004, 4:04 pm

kyoukan wrote:Well I would say that 90% of the artists I listen to or respect write a good portion of their own content and know how to play instruments. Anyone can sing. Hell I know people who can sing easily as well has the majority of the people on that show. Singing at that level of just regurgitating other people's songs isn't that big of a deal to me.

To say that not many singers do anything but sing is ludicrous though. In fact I can hardly even think of any memorable pop/rock singers that went down in history just because they had a singing voice. Celine Dion, I guess is the most memorable one who is just a voice/image. Even Elvis wrote most of his own songs.

American Idol is a personification of everything that is wrong with the music industry, in my opinion. You take these nobody karaoke singers, slap a coat of paint on them and put them in some nice clothes and say "okay this person is a famous super star pop singer" and everyone goes "yes (s)he is" and runs out to buy their album. I just think that the creation of a good song is more than just someone who can sing. There will always be exceptions to this. For example, opera singers. But an opera singer's voice is actually an instrument and they spend their lives perfecting it. Kelly Clarkson yammering out some Patty Smith song doesn't cut it for me.

Whitney Houston has (had) one of the best voices in the music industry and I don't think she should could play anything or write anything. Most of the music industry singing divas don't play anything and if they are credited with collaborating on a song, its minimal collaboration.

Ok, so you aren't into voices. I don't agree with you that anyone can sing. Depending on music genre, singing matters more or less. In rock/alternative it doesn't. In R&B it does. Once again its down to preferences. I don't take the show seriously. Its fun to watch, big deal. I don't let my snobbery get in the way of me enjoying a little fluff.

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » March 21, 2004, 4:09 pm

Lalanae wrote:You call the music trite schmalty crap, yet they sing some of the greatest songs ever written. Yes, some of it I don't care for, but how can you call Otis Redding or Marvin Gaye trite and schmalty crap?

In my oh-so-humble opinion, even the best song can be turned to schmaltzy crap if there's no real feeling behind it. Imagine a Kenny G-rendition of 'At the dark end of the street' - crap? yes.

Yes, the quality of the material is important, but any song can be ruined by crappy performance, arrangement and production.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 21, 2004, 4:18 pm

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:
Lalanae wrote:You call the music trite schmalty crap, yet they sing some of the greatest songs ever written. Yes, some of it I don't care for, but how can you call Otis Redding or Marvin Gaye trite and schmalty crap?
In my oh-so-humble opinion, even the best song can be turned to schmaltzy crap if there's no real feeling behind it. Imagine a Kenny G-rendition of 'At the dark end of the street' - crap? yes.

Yes, the quality of the material is important, but any song can be ruined by crappy performance, arrangement and production.

Sure, but to say its ALL like that, with only seeing a couple episodes, is pretty weak. Snobbery can be as ignorant as ignorance itself.

I've seen several performances on the last two seasons of AI that made me go "Wow.."

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » March 21, 2004, 4:35 pm

Lalanae wrote:
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:
Lalanae wrote:You call the music trite schmalty crap, yet they sing some of the greatest songs ever written. Yes, some of it I don't care for, but how can you call Otis Redding or Marvin Gaye trite and schmalty crap?
In my oh-so-humble opinion, even the best song can be turned to schmaltzy crap if there's no real feeling behind it. Imagine a Kenny G-rendition of 'At the dark end of the street' - crap? yes.

Yes, the quality of the material is important, but any song can be ruined by crappy performance, arrangement and production.
Sure, but to say its ALL like that, with only seeing a couple episodes, is pretty weak. Snobbery can be as ignorant as ignorance itself.

I've seen several performances on the last two seasons of AI that made me go "Wow.."

I gotta say, I'm in the snob school on this one...Then again I despise most of the overproduced crap that passes for music...

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 21, 2004, 4:39 pm

don't be so defensive

Etasi · Post by **Etasi** » March 21, 2004, 6:42 pm

Edit: well you said yourself that it's fluff, which was exactly my point, so I don't quite see why all the indignation was necessary.

I think the interpretations offered by American Idol contestants, regardless of the quality of the original song, are lacking. I've seen enough of the show to feel safe in making such an assertion. If that makes me an ignorant, elitist snob, then so be it. I'm not sure how disliking fluff makes one elitist, but that's okay.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 21, 2004, 6:59 pm

well excuse you!

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » March 24, 2004, 12:10 am

Expected bottom 3 people would be Camille, Jennifer Hudson, and possibly Carrot Top.

Biggest Surprise was the Pink chick. She nailed that song.

Best of the night: George Huff.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » March 24, 2004, 4:37 am

I enjoyed the crappy singers the first few episodes.

I was watching with the wife last week when they busted out that HORRIBLE Ford promo where they were all singing and riding in some Ford SUV. I turned the channel just in time to avoid vomiting all over the house and have not watched since.

I think I would be more interested if they expanded the format, or changed it every few seasons. I mean really they are turning out essentially the same thing every year, weak pop. It would be great to see a band version, or singer/songwriter version, not just who can mimic some diva.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » March 24, 2004, 11:10 pm

While I am not surprised that the football jock was in the bottom three I am surprised that he had less votes than Camille who really sucked.

Buh Bye arrogant football jock dude. (his final song to Simon however was hilarious.)

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » March 25, 2004, 9:53 am

Quite a few of the contestants do happen to play instruments. Many are focal singers at their church and have been since childhood because it's something they love doing. Not that it matters, I agree w/ Lal that the voice is, in fact, an instrument and if that's their primary focus, more power to them. Just because someone sits around thinking they can sing better than someone on tv doesn't mean they could get up on stage and do it week after week.

My wife used to listen to all of that "I'm a depressed artist" shit they call music. She listens to it now and laughs because it was an "elitist" vibe that was being given. "Ohh wow, that's really deep man". A lot of that crap gets forgotton about w/in weeks while the pop songs of the 60's and 70's still get a ton of airtime and enjoy some of the most long standing album sales. Sure you can call it rock, who gives a shit, it was the popular music of the time.

It's all trite, schmaltzy pop crap, with no real emotion, nothing that makes you go 'wow, they're an amazing singer,' and no purpose behind their songs but the desire to be famous and make money. There is nothing artistic about what any of the American Idol contestants or winners do.

Heh, you really need to see a few of Fantasia's performances. Saying she's less than incredible is an absolute joke.

Look, if you enjoy staring at the floor trying to get into the artist's head while listening to music, be my guest. If you enjoy playing air-guitar while listening, be my guest. If you want to appreciate a good singer while listening, be my guest.

I'm glad to see the football guy go although I thought Camille was worse. She is way too rattled in front of an audience.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 25, 2004, 3:57 pm

Chidoro wrote:A lot of that crap gets forgotton about w/in weeks while the pop songs of the 60's and 70's still get a ton of airtime and enjoy some of the most long standing album sales. Sure you can call it rock, who gives a shit, it was the popular music of the time.

Name some long standing pop artists from the 60s and 70s who didn't at least write most of their own songs and play their own music. There's like, none.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » March 26, 2004, 9:39 am

Actually, a ton of them didn't if we're talking about lead singers. And again, it has nothing to do with whether or not they are talented and entertaining. Writing is a completely separate skill and has nothing to do singing skill. Hell, was there anything, I mean anything good about the lyrics of Led Zepplin? Or Humble Pie or Cream or etc

Post by **Sylvus** » March 26, 2004, 1:09 pm

Chidoro wrote:Hell, was there anything, I mean anything good about the lyrics of Led Zepplin?

OMG, how can you say that, they sang about Middle Earth!!!!

But yeah, I can see where you're coming from with that statement. I love Zeppelin, but none of their lyrics has ever really resonated with me. Except for the bit about the lion with the tadpole in a jar.

Hmm... now that I think about it, you can excuse all those bands you mentioned because they were whacked out of their gourds on drugs and writing their own stuff.

Hayley · Post by **Hayley** » April 1, 2004, 1:01 am

Back on track....

I'm pissed about tonights results. How in the hell did Diana Degarmo, Camile, and John the red-head skate out of being the bottom 3? LaToya, Jennifer, and Amy in no way deserved their positions as the bottom 3. As a matter of fact, I think that LaToya will be in the top 3 if not the #1 singer there.

My hopefulls for the top 3 are LaToya, George, and Jasmine.

Next to go for me would be: Camile, Diana, John, Jon, Fantasia, Jennifer

Tonight really proved to me that there are too many Americans smokin crack.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 1, 2004, 2:50 pm

Fantasia? Hahaha... nice name.

Ennia · Post by **Ennia** » April 1, 2004, 3:11 pm

I'm thinking they should change the format of the show. Have all 12 finalists sing every week, people vote and on last show total the votes and crown an idol the person with most votes.
It's really too easy to drop out of competition because your fans failed to place a certain number of votes, or because you really are not good at a certain genre of music.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » April 1, 2004, 11:19 pm

Latoya in the bottom 3 was a total miscarriage. She is going to be in the top 3 at the end along with George and Fantasia I believe.

I can not understand why the freak John Stevens isn't gone yet. I feel they made a big mistake last night.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » April 8, 2004, 11:40 am

It's about damn time! That chick may look somewhat hot but she can't sing for shit. I am surprised she maded it as long as she did. What freaks me out is that John Stevens wasn't in the bottom 3. My God that kid has been messing up the entire show. Forgetting lines, mumbling his words, singing off key. *shudder*

XunilTlatoani · Post by **XunilTlatoani** » April 8, 2004, 3:01 pm

George Huff is going to win...Jennifer and Latoya have great voices, but I just don't see them as stars. Nobody wants another Whitney clone or Aretha wannabe...especially the target audience of the show that actually votes. Fantasia just scares the crap out of me. Everyone else is vanilla at best.

George is a pleasure to both listen to and watch. I can't say that about any of the other finalists.

Coatlicue [KoE] · Post by **Coatlicue [KoE]** » April 9, 2004, 11:08 am

I love this show. I don't know why, but I do. I'm a musician. I can sing, I've learned to play approximately 20 instruments, I was trained classically for years, I used to write my own music. I still play flute, and I play in our local community symphonic band. My biggest dream (and still in a way is) is to be the conductor of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra.

On American Idol, most of these kids are dreamers that visualize themselves as Pop Stars. That's the whole purpose of this show. Don't expect them to be too deep, or very versatile in their musicianship. In this day and age, I agree with Kyoukan... slap an image on a person, tell people they're a superstar, and half the country agrees with you. But, to say that some of these kids don't have talent is very silly indeed. Some of them really do, but they haven't had the training and years behind them to help them develop some of their greatest talents. They see the Britney's the Christina's and the other studio artists out there and want to be just like them. They may not REALIZE what kids of boundaries they should be able to reach and go beyond. American Idol is not about going beyond their boundaries. It's about who can make the best Pop Star.

These kids are given an opportunity that most of us will never reach. They're given the opportunity to be Stars, and I love that. They're having fun, living their dream, and making some $$ out of it too.. It's not a bad lifestyle. I think that's why I love this show so much. It's a shitload of fun to watch (except those stupid Ford commercials).. and it's great to see most of their voices develop throughout the weeks. It's a FUN show... that's it.

Back on topic of the show... I love George Huff.. His voice is great, and he's a hoot on stage! I agree with Xunil - Fantasia scares the shit outta me. LaToya is a great singer, but she's got real competition with George. The red-head boy needs to go away, he was amusing for the first two weeks... but he's not open minded enough to let himself stray away from the "crooner" image to letting his voice explore other types of styles.

Amy Adams was a good singer too, but I didn't think she was good enough to be a superstar. Jennifer Hudson is good too, and a local chick, but she has a bit more to go before she really amazes us.. I'm excited about her possibilities and how she'll grow as a singer at the end.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » April 21, 2004, 10:07 pm

All I can say is, Ouch

George walked towards the group everyone thought was the bottom half, which isn't surprising since the bottom half was, in fact, the worse of the two groups regardless of the 12 year olds w/ cell phones. Shame really, Jennifer was improving every single week while the crooner was tanking each and every one.

Hayley · Post by **Hayley** » April 21, 2004, 10:35 pm

It's a fuckin travesty. They shouldn't make any more American Idol shows if people aren't going to vote on TALENT.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » April 21, 2004, 11:58 pm

I agree with you. Why they haven't gotten rid of that John Stevens yet is beyond me. I mean my god, Latoya in the bottom three? WTF is that?

Siji · Post by **Siji** » April 22, 2004, 12:33 am

I normally don't watch the show, or any reality tv shows for that matter but tonight I was flipping through channels in the hotel room and noticed it was on. One of the girls was schwingy so I stopped to watch.

You know when the judges KEEP saying over and over and over again that people should be voting on talent instead of anything else, that even they realized it was fucked up. I don't care what kind of voice red head carrottop wanna be Deliverance at night punk has.. these days image is 90% of talent. Get him off now, aint no way he's gonna win anyway.

And the girl that ended up getting booted tonight, you could just tell when they announced group A was the bottom group, that she was just in complete and utter shock. And yeah, the Ford commercial was stupid as fuck.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » April 22, 2004, 2:14 am

I have not watched the show since that horrific Ford commercial the first week of the Final 12 shows, but please tell me that red headed guy is not on the show. Tell me he was voted off!!!

I was stunned he made it to the second round and even more stunned he made the final 12. I am guessing, based on the comments here, that he is still sucking, but still there and that just makes me happier I am not watching it this season.