Clinton's Boyhood home...

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 17, 2004, 1:00 am

Can be yours for only...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... gory=12605

Marb

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 17, 2004, 1:02 am

i wouldnt pay $151K for the whole town of Hope, AK

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 17, 2004, 2:37 am

that is a piece of history. one of america's greatest presidents was raised in that home.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » March 17, 2004, 7:21 am

Someone should buy it and turn it into Cowboy Billy's Dicksucking Emporium

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » March 17, 2004, 10:11 am

Animalor wrote:Someone should buy it and turn it into Cowboy Billy's Dicksucking Emporium

Heh it's Arkansas Oral Sex is illegal...unless she/he's already a first cousin or closer blood relationship or can be classified as livestock...

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 17, 2004, 11:02 am

If I was well off, I'd buy it, tear it down, and put up a Ronald Reagan Museum.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » March 17, 2004, 11:10 am

Yeah because Reagan was the most amazing leader in world history!

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 17, 2004, 11:41 am

LOL, it's over 200K now... that house in Hope probably isn't worth more than $40.

Marb

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » March 17, 2004, 1:31 pm

Arborealus wrote:
Animalor wrote:Someone should buy it and turn it into Cowboy Billy's Dicksucking Emporium
Heh it's Arkansas Oral Sex is illegal...unless she/he's already a first cousin or closer blood relationship or can be classified as livestock...

Nice.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 17, 2004, 1:49 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:If I was well off, I'd buy it, tear it down, and put up a Ronald Reagan Museum.

fortunately you can't afford much more than used copies of coulter's latest books on your allowance.

dream on idiot boy. you'll never have two nickels to rub together, because people like you are too stupid to earn any money, unless you win the powerball or the door prize at bingo.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 17, 2004, 1:57 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:If I was well off, I'd buy it, tear it down, and put up a Ronald Reagan Museum.
fortunately you can't afford much more than used copies of coulter's latest books on your allowance.

dream on idiot boy. you'll never have two nickels to rub together, because people like you are too stupid to earn any money, unless you win the powerball or the door prize at bingo.

Idiot boy? Too stupid? Bingo?

Keep the labels coming honey...then keep calling me the bigot and racist. I sure do enjoy the laughs.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 17, 2004, 2:03 pm

you forgot retard, hypocrite, shithead, dumb ass cunt, and moron.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 17, 2004, 2:07 pm

All presidents sucked according to the majority here so there's no reason to bash Reagan anymore than another president.

Some good stuff happened during his years. The 80's rocked! Reagan is directly responsible for 80's music and CD players.

People like Clinton because he fucked sleezebags and partied all the time. Why wouldn't world leaders and terrorists like him? He was too busy to interefere with world politics while defending himself from impeachment or was off snorting a line, playing the sax and fondling women.

If you rate presidents by how much fun they had in office then Clinton ranks pretty high up the list.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 17, 2004, 2:07 pm

kyoukan wrote:you forgot retard, hypocrite, shithead, dumb ass cunt, and moron.

Very nice. I'm flattered.

And not surprised by your infantile behavior.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 17, 2004, 2:10 pm

To be honest, it'd be hilarious if someone bought it and turned it into a Reagan museum. The amount of pure spite that would drive someone to do that is awesome.

I'd do the exact same thing if Bush's ranch went up for sale and I had a lot of spare cash lying around. Maybe I'd make it into a memorial, immortalizing the contributions of the ACLU toward our democracy.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » March 17, 2004, 2:41 pm

abortion clinic or same sex wedding chapel. or both.

of course Bush's boyhood home was probably a 65 room mansion in Boston.

what would you put in a reagen musueum anyway? I guess you could stock it with a bunch of dead iranian babies he was directly responsible for killing. or maybe a bottle of whatever meds he was fucking wasted on that made him sleep through his second term. I guess that stupid monkey that starred in a bunch of god awful stupid movies with.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 17, 2004, 2:49 pm

Bonzo

Winnow the president who did blow is our current one

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » March 17, 2004, 3:00 pm

kyoukan wrote:abortion clinic or same sex wedding chapel. or both.

of course Bush's boyhood home was probably a 65 room mansion in Boston.

what would you put in a reagen musueum anyway? I guess you could stock it with a bunch of dead iranian babies he was directly responsible for killing. or maybe a bottle of whatever meds he was fucking wasted on that made him sleep through his second term. I guess that stupid monkey that starred in a bunch of god awful stupid movies with.

You guys were busy in Somalia around that time so dont be pissed because you couldnt share in the Iranian fun.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 17, 2004, 3:08 pm

kyoukan wrote:abortion clinic or same sex wedding chapel. or both.

of course Bush's boyhood home was probably a 65 room mansion in Boston.

what would you put in a reagen musueum anyway? I guess you could stock it with a bunch of dead iranian babies he was directly responsible for killing. or maybe a bottle of whatever meds he was fucking wasted on that made him sleep through his second term. I guess that stupid monkey that starred in a bunch of god awful stupid movies with.

Yeah I guess the whole helping bring down the wall thing doesn't count as anything. Jesus you are a bitter negative bitch sometimes.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 17, 2004, 3:23 pm

Mr Gorbachev... Tear down this wall!

I have no real problems with Reagen (unless you forget all the debt he racked up, a fun recession, iran/contra, and trying to steal 'Pink Houses' as their theme song). Bush II is a total fuckup though. Definitely the worst president of my lifetime thus far.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 17, 2004, 3:35 pm

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say the people in Germany had a little bit more to do with the USSR losing its grip on the East.

And people like Lech Walessa (totally misspelled, you google it fucknut...) the leader of "Solidarity" in Poland.

And the playright in Czechoslovakia.

and on and on.

Sure Reagan's policies helped influence the USSR to grind intself into the ground, though I think they were on that course as early as the late 60s or early 70s. So just because Ronny said "Tear down that wall", and it happened on his watch, doesnt mean he deserves the lion's share of the credit. i'm sure there are some people who have a decent knowledge of the subject who can clarify it better than I can.

for instance if i say "we should sell more advertising", and sales sells more advertising (i'm not in sales), that doesnt mean i am going to expect a monster incentive bonus.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 17, 2004, 3:40 pm

Did Reagan Win The Cold War?

http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/20 ... omment.php

Fact.. Fiction.. Biased.. Nonbiased.. I'll leave that for others to decide!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 17, 2004, 4:37 pm

Aslanna wrote:Did Reagan Win The Cold War?

http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/20 ... omment.php

Fact.. Fiction.. Biased.. Nonbiased.. I'll leave that for others to decide!

Too much text! I refuse to read it all so Reagan still won the cold war!
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People in general give presidents too much credit for things. They're merely figureheads. At the very least, you need to include their cabinet.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 17, 2004, 5:21 pm

the author's name is "DemocracyIsGood"

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » March 17, 2004, 9:03 pm

Reagan rocked and contributed.....but I will not go out and say, He won the cold war no one man could do that unless he pushed the button and the other guy was asleep and didn't....

That was a COMBINATION of The continued struggle between the entire USA and there allies vs the Soviet Union and there controled allies first off since WWII.

Then the USSR was going through there Vietnam with Afghanistan in the 80s, so the mood in the country was negative.

Gorby was a pussy compared to the earlier Communist leaders, which maybe he had to be because they were struggling on all fronts.

The US military buildup which was worth the deficit in terms of military expense only....the USSR couldnt compete anymore...hell they couldnt beat the hell out of a little third world country Afghanistan and had losses like we had in Vietnam.

Ronald Reagan..putting extra pressure on them...and gaining MUCH world support for the US over USSR, including inspiring people desperate for change in the eastern block countries, Hell why do you think all those countries are supporting the US now in Iraq, because what the US at the time of Reagan did for them.

And this will drive some of you anti-religious people wako, but another MAJOR contributer was the Pope.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » March 17, 2004, 10:00 pm

and gaining MUCH world support for the US over USSR, including inspiring people desperate for change in the eastern block countries, Hell why do you think all those countries are supporting the US now in Iraq, because what the US at the time of Reagan did for them.

That is oversimplifying it a tad bit. There is a lot more involved in why the eastern block countries support the US now, like economical advantages, a possible gain of US' favour etc. Heck there was even talk of moving military bases from western Europe to eastern with all the jobs and financial gain that would bring.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 19, 2004, 2:58 am

I think Reagan did help bring down that wall but not because he inspired anyone in an Eastern Block country... all media was controlled by the gov, they didn't get Johnny Carson at 10

However what he did do, along with the Afgan War is bankrupt the USSR. We spent sooooooo... much money on defense, and kept talking about (probably leaking stories intentionally) projects that were almost science fiction to keep the USSR scared and trying to keep up... by the end of the 80s they just couldn't keep up.

I have a notebook from Jr. High (yes, its in a box in my garage right now)where I told my Civics teacher in 83/84 that due to what's stated above the USSR would collapse by 1995. So I was off a few year but that bastard gave me C on the paper (still got an A in the class) because he said that was crazy. You can bet I bought one of those peices of rock from the wall and dropped it by his office when I was home from College one time. He knew my dad pretty well so we had become friends as I got older but he was pretty imbarrased about his statement, I just cherish it... or maybe it's just that I like to be right, which of course I usually am

... lol

Cheers!
Marb

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » March 19, 2004, 6:26 am

Haha good one on the teacher Marb.

Kelsh., I could make a more extended post, but I figured everyone would understand what I was talking about...plus I had limited time. My main point was that it was a massive combination of things, he was part of it and theres no denieing it.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » March 19, 2004, 11:52 am

OK this is just too amusing to me, to see Sirton blather on in his typically semi-literate style but...

Was Ronnie the only US or Western leader to spend large amounts of resources on weapon R&D or deployment since WW2?

Was Ronnie responsible for the discontent in the USSR that arose from the average citizen having to stand in line for hrs to buy anything?

Military spending and technological development did play a crucial role in bringing down the Soviet Block. Their power base rose from the backwards state of the Russian economy in the early 20th century (and at the time of the Revolution they were literally a laughingstock, as they were still stuck in the middle ages), but unlike the West, they didn't have the infrastructure to support the spending programs the West did. Add in Stalin's self-inflicted genocides of the 30's and Hitler's ravages of the early 40's and you have a system that was gutted 45 years before its collapse. And after WW2, they went focused on building militarilly rather than economically.

The Soviets were able to do some remarkable things (i.e. the way the won some of the early space race and pushed the West in missile and jet technology) but a lot of that was also based on stolen or"plundered" research from the Nazis.

By the time Reagan came to power, they were a 3rd world country with the world's most powerful military, but they collapsed for the same reason they had their initial revolution: the government was failing to meet the needs of its citizens. Ronnie blew a bit on the house of cards but it was already on the way down.

Thank Truman, Roosevelt and others who helped make the US and the Western World economically powerful enough to outlast the USSR: they were the architects of the "victory".

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » March 19, 2004, 11:54 am

19 days left and it's at US $430,900.11 ...jeebus

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 19, 2004, 1:57 pm

Voronwë wrote:the author's name is "DemocracyIsGood"

Well the author of your post is Voronwe!

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » March 19, 2004, 3:32 pm

Wulfran wrote: Thank Truman, Roosevelt and others who helped make the US and the Western World economically powerful enough to outlast the USSR: they were the architects of the "victory".

Roosevelt? Whatever role he may have played in WW2, Roosevelt's economic policies were dismal. Attempts to nationalize industries, breaking up sound banks, expanding taxes, attempted to force up food prices by destroying livestock and produce (in the midst of the depression), wage and price controls. When the Supreme Court struck down some of his overreaches of power, he threatened to pack the court. Economically Roosevelt is mostly only useful as an example of what not to do.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » March 19, 2004, 6:23 pm

Well obviously Wulfran doesnt know how to read:

That was a COMBINATION of The continued struggle between the entire USA and there allies vs the Soviet Union and there controled allies first off since WWII.

By Sirton

Why are you attacking me when Im saying basically the same.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 19, 2004, 8:02 pm

Exactly right Sirton