Bush & Drug Testing in Schools

[vn_Tanc]

And trust teenagers? LOL You must be on some drugs right now. During those formative years kids need discipline, guidance and structure

Well surely you've all ready instilled in them your "family values" so why not trust them to excercise their own judgement and do the right thing?

Edit & PS: If you're that concerned why not just drug test them yourself at home instead of paying the government to do it for you?

[masteen]

Mid, the problem with mandatory drug tests is that it punishes the innocent along with the guilty.

Say my neice got stoned at a party this weekend. I know it, her parents know it; we don't much care because she is an "A" student. So, two weeks from now, when she goes to her cheerleading competition, she should be punished for smoking a doobie at a party? Fucking ridiculous.

It's even more so when you realize that one of her teammates could eat X or do blow 3 days before the test and still piss clean just because of the different retention legnths. Drug testing, except for steroids in athletes, is just a bad idea. It does nothing to catch the kids using hard drugs.

[Vetiria]

Good way to argue. Comparing teenagers doing drugs to terrorists killing 3000 people. Ingenious.

[Drasta]

Afic, giving it to Jewish, Catholic, Muslim or Christian groups is great. I'm Christian, so you know which of the three I'd pick - but ANY of the above would be great.

All four groups offer great guidance to people - and even if they do not choose to beleive it, and it is not shoved down their throats, I don't see where it CAN hurt.

It does hurt because they are using something as serious as chemical dependency to preach religious beliefs. Their belief is that you can quit drugs by "finding Jesus." If a student and their parents want to use religion as a way to treat addiction, then that should be left to the family to decide and arrange. It should not be a part of public schooling and should not be paid for with my tax money. Religion has no place in public education. It has no place in government at all.

ROFL what a close minded individual you are.
From your article:

"And because I know a good way to change a person's behavior is to change their heart, faith-based treatment programs will always be an option," he said.

Further, saying that religion has no place in the education system is patently ignorant. Giving kids information to make life choices is what the education system is about.


The whole anti-religion thing on these boards is merely an expression of those who still are trying to be different. It is considered cool in this day and age to bash religion and specifically Christianity. But I would ask you this Lala, how does making faith based treatment programs available limit the persons options??

Perhaps in your world offering one choice "secular" treatments means more freedom and choice???

Whats this crap about sneaking religion into schools? Yep, it is a bad thing to teach kids to love thy neighbour as thyself. Worried that kids might grow up with a moral compass?

(flame on)

dude religious is NOT THE ONLY SOURCE OF VALUES. religion does teach values ... it also teaches HATE ... hence the "gay people are the devil and are going to burn in hell the motherfuckers" or omg you had an abortion you killed a group of cells that haven't even developed into something yet ... anti-christ !!!! .. or maybe .. having kids before marriage ... oh wait people do that all the time but no one ever beats them with the bible ....

sneaking religion into school is wrong, they will do a hell of a lot more then go ... this is how you should treat people ..... people need to learn that the bible isn't the only source of morals ... i have only been to a chuch about 10 times total in my life (3 of which were for marriages) and i have rather good morals, i have never done drugs, drank, beat up someone, i've never shot an animal even. im gay though so i have no morals

im agnostic so i don't really care what you tell me your god thinks because i don't give two shits. i think people are more irritated when someone doesn't believe in their god then the person that doesn't believe it (until they start trying to ram their god(s) down your throat)

i also do not see how religion gives you an education choice? does god help me to understand evolution? hell no evolution isn't real its a made up lie!

and its not the new cool hip things to be aethist/agnostic ... people just woke up to the fact that gosh .. im not dependent on a book written to control masses of people through fear and punishment anymore! im fee!

[vn_Tanc]

Good way to argue. Comparing teenagers doing drugs to terrorists killing 3000 people. Ingenious

It's all pretty much the same thing though. Remember to be afraid all the time or bad things WILL DEFINITELY HAPPEN!

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Good way to argue. Comparing teenagers doing drugs to terrorists killing 3000 people. Ingenious.

I'm sorry if you can't see the connection in what I said. I also didn't compare teenagers using drugs to 9/11. But you see what you want.

Masteen: I don't see anyone getting punished with drug tests. I see kids having to give a little to gain a lot. Is it really so bad to have to sacrifice a little? What the fuck is going on any more?


VN_Tanc: Yes, if you instill your family values upon them you hope when they find themselves in a situation like that they will make the right decision. However, that situation should not be in a fucking school where they go to learn and prepare for their real life as an adult.

[Vetiria]

There is no connection in what you said. Schools are not responsible for making sure your kids don't do drugs. They are responsible for teaching them about drugs and persuading them not to. It's your job as a parent to know what your children are doing. Mandatory drug tests at school do not ensure that drugs are not in the school. If your child is doing drugs, he/she is probably not getting them in school.

[Dregor Thule]

ROFL what a close minded individual you are.
From your article:

"And because I know a good way to change a person's behavior is to change their heart, faith-based treatment programs will always be an option," he said.

Further, saying that religion has no place in the education system is patently ignorant. Giving kids information to make life choices is what the education system is about.


The whole anti-religion thing on these boards is merely an expression of those who still are trying to be different. It is considered cool in this day and age to bash religion and specifically Christianity. But I would ask you this Lala, how does making faith based treatment programs available limit the persons options??

Perhaps in your world offering one choice "secular" treatments means more freedom and choice???

Whats this crap about sneaking religion into schools? Yep, it is a bad thing to teach kids to love thy neighbour as thyself. Worried that kids might grow up with a moral compass?

(flame on)

You got me, I don't believe in god because it's hip, yo! I'm sportin' my bling-bling, cruisin' in my ride, pickin' up some honeys with my no-to-jesus ways. Here's a little update: Religion doesn't need the help of unbelieving heathen sinners to tarnish its image, most popular religions do this themselves quite aptly.

Teach kids good morals. Yes, of course. Everyone and their fucking dog knows this. Do it without bringing ANY kind of religion into it. Why should a child need some god to tell them what is right or wrong. That right there is a narrow, closed-minded way of looking at things. The gripe is using tax money to fund religion-based programs.

I don't know why I'm bothering. I told myself I wouldn't try and argue with you anymore because it's like trying to teach a rock how to bake a cake.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

There is no connection in what you said. Schools are not responsible for making sure your kids don't do drugs. They are responsible for teaching them about drugs and persuading them not to. It's your job as a parent to know what your children are doing. Mandatory drug tests at school do not ensure that drugs are not in the school. If your child is doing drugs, he/she is probably not getting them in school.

Wow you say a lot of stupid shit.

Schools are not responsible for making sure your kids don't do drugs.

Nope. But they are responsible to provide a clean, safe place to teach our children in. That includes drug free. Let me try and give oyu an example that may clear things up in your fucked up little head....(If you think it's ok to have drugs in the school, then why not allow kids to carry guns? We should entrust in our kids to do the right thing and not shoot anyone right?) Maybe we should also allow kids to bring in alcohol. We should entrust in our kids to not drink any right?

Do you not see how flawed and fucked up your brain is?

[Sionistic]

When did vet say its ok to have drugs in school?

[Vetiria]

Do you not know how to read? Never once did I say children should be allowed to bring drugs to school. I said it is not the school's responsibility to make sure your children are not doing drugs. It's yours. If you want to test your own children, there's OTC drug tests at K-mart you can go buy. There's no reason every child should be forced to take drugs tests at school because I'm too lazy to know what's going on in my child's life.

Edit: Where I live, in a city of 80,000 and 2 high schools, drug dogs are brought in randomly about once a week to check lockers. That's about as far as it should go. There's no reason to spend billions of dollars a year testing every child in every high school throughout the country.

[Lalanae]

There is no connection in what you said. Schools are not responsible for making sure your kids don't do drugs. They are responsible for teaching them about drugs and persuading them not to. It's your job as a parent to know what your children are doing. Mandatory drug tests at school do not ensure that drugs are not in the school. If your child is doing drugs, he/she is probably not getting them in school.

Wow you say a lot of stupid shit.

Schools are not responsible for making sure your kids don't do drugs.

Nope. But they are responsible to provide a clean, safe place to teach our children in. That includes drug free. Let me try and give oyu an example that may clear things up in your fucked up little head....(If you think it's ok to have drugs in the school, then why not allow kids to carry guns? We should entrust in our kids to do the right thing and not shoot anyone right?) Maybe we should also allow kids to bring in alcohol. We should entrust in our kids to not drink any right?

Do you not see how flawed and fucked up your brain is?

Uh, drug testing has NOTHING to do with drugs IN school. I'm boggled by the fact that you think that if a student has drugs IN their system that they DID the drugs IN school... I don't see any stupidity in what Veteria said.

Atokal, anything I have to say to you has been said already. I'm an atheist, and not by "trend." Your skewed vision of life precedes you, so I'm not going to bother with you further.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

When did vet say its ok to have drugs in school?

By saying the schools don't have a responsibility to make sure the place we send our children to, out of our sight, for 6-8 hours a day to learn, isn't drug free. That's when.

[Dregor Thule]

When did vet say its ok to have drugs in school?

By saying we school don't have a responsibility to make sure the place we send our children to, out of our sight, for 6-8 hours a day to learn, isn't drug free. That's when.

Where did he say that? He said it wasn't the schools responsibility to make sure your kids aren't doing drugs. He never said it wasn't the schools responsibility for working to keep the drugs out of the school.

What exactly does foot taste like anyways?

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

LOL

I give up with you retards.

[Burke]

God (a non Christian one) dammit you are dense.

[Asheran Mojomaster]

Afic, giving it to Jewish, Catholic, Muslim or Christian groups is great. I'm Christian, so you know which of the three I'd pick - but ANY of the above would be great.

All four groups offer great guidance to people - and even if they do not choose to beleive it, and it is not shoved down their throats, I don't see where it CAN hurt.

Catholics or Christians?...

What about Buddhists, Hindus, Taoists, Mormons, Scientologists, Wiccans, sundry Pagans, Atheists, Coptics, Native American Mystics, VooDoo...I think the coptics would be good choice for a faith based drug program......Or how about a Peyotero...

Native American Mystic rehab center!!!!
If i ever had to go to a rehab center, that would sure as fuck be the one
That or i'd have some fun and start a cult of dionisis(sp) rehab center

Dionysus!! Cure that dirty addiction with lots and lots of wine!

[Sueven]

Schools should be drug free. This can ensured through locker searches and police dogs, as is currently and rightly done.

Whether or not a student has or does use drugs is completely irrelevant to the schools being drug free. If students bring drugs to school then you can punish them, but otherwise leave them alone.

Why would you drug test students participating in extracurriculars? Don't extracurriculars give you something to do beyond drugs? Isn't stopping drug users from participating in them counterproductive?

[Marbus]

I don't want any... ANY dumb SOB with barley enough education to teach algebra drug testing my son without just cause. If he is caught, then lets give him the test but otherwise leave him alone. Just like the dumbass law proposed in New Mexcio about breathlyzers in all cars, punishing the innocent to catch the guilty is bullshit. I also don't want any "faith-based" groups giving him the run down on their version of Christanity, Buddism or anything else to keep him off drugs, especially not with my tax dollars.

I'm a parent, I choose this role and with that role comes a lot of responsibility. The responsibility to teach my son right from wrong, to teach him how to think, how to judge for himself what choice he will make in his life. Until he is an adult that is what I signed up to do. That means that I take the time to take him to church, talk with him about his beliefts, explain other options, answer his questions, praise him for everything he does, help him when he stumbles an discipline him when he wrongs. That IS what a parent is suppose to do... it's a lot of work and I'm sure I'll fail him many times while he is growing up, but I'll keep trying. Hopefully one day when he has children he will understand his responsibilities as well.

My father and I were very close, he did and gave me all of those things because it was his responsibility to do so. I just hope I can come close to what he gave me.

I pay my taxes for public education to teach children the basics, NOT how to live as they do. That my friends is where being a parent comes in... the problem in this country is that too many parents, don't seem to really want the job they signed up for...

Cheers!
Marb

[Markulas]

I see it as fear and unnecessary. And plus if we keep cutting taxes we can afford to test every high school student of drug use(which is the schools job anyways).

[vn_Tanc]

lmfao at Mid's title.