Oh man, this is horrible

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » February 6, 2004, 11:22 am

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110622,00.html

One day you have a daughter, 48 hours later you find that she's been abducted, possibly raped and killed within a mile of you. Life is just going as normal when all of a sudden someone precious is violently ripped away from you and why your still stuck in the shock of her disappearance you find out she's been murdered.

That's just horrible.

And you know at times like this even the death penalty applied to the murderer seems a hollow gesture.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 6, 2004, 12:25 pm

a positive thing about the death penalty in this case Adex is that it removes the chance that this criminal can reproduce and pass on any genetic component that may contribute to this horrible behavior.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » February 6, 2004, 12:32 pm

Life in a federal pounding in the ass prison is infinitely better than the death penalty.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 6, 2004, 12:41 pm

Life in prison is most definitely the way to go on this one. There'll be scars in more places than just the guy's lip.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » February 6, 2004, 1:15 pm

Screw that, while I pay for his miserable existance for the rest of my life? I sick of that, I'm sick of people who are caught with weed getting 10 years and us having to pay for it and I'm sick of people getting out in 10 on good behavor for murder.

He raped and murdered a child, shoot his ass.

Marb

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 6, 2004, 1:25 pm

well, since "Old Sparky" is no longer around, federal pound me in the ass prison may be better.

picture of a guy dead in "Old Sparky" click at own risk, i said it was a dead guy.

Old Sparky was the electric chair in FLorida.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » February 6, 2004, 1:36 pm

for this guy to be raped on a daily basis for the rest of his life and to fear for his life, you can setup a direct withdrawal from my bank account right now, I'll foot the bill.

Dexail · Post by **Dexail** » February 6, 2004, 1:53 pm

I agree with ya Krimson. Bury him alive with a little tube running up for air and walk away and forget about it.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » February 6, 2004, 2:00 pm

Death is the easiest way out. Locking them away to sit on their asses is also too easy. I'd like to see prisoners convicted of serious crimes put into an extremely hard labor program that runs 7 days\week, 365 days a year.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » February 6, 2004, 2:12 pm

I should take the Voronwe approch to posting early in the morning. Back on the OG boards I think he use to just delete his first post most morning before he had his coffee, heh I should have done that.

Being a father this type of thing truly infruates me. The solution though, while my beliefs on the death penality waver, would be life with hard labor as Forthe said. Why prisoners can build roads and plow fields mannually anymore I don't know... I think a lot could be done to make prisons more self sufficent. NOT inhumane but pretty bad, I mean it's prison, it somewhere you are suppose to NOT want to go right?

Marb

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » February 6, 2004, 2:30 pm

I heard its cheaper to hold a guy in prison for life then killing him, is that true?

Siji · Post by **Siji** » February 6, 2004, 2:56 pm

What did this girl do to deserve this? What does any child do?

Having been born in Sarasota (where this happened) and living an hour away, this feels like it hit close to home.. with my sister having two children and a third on the way, this feels like it hit close to home..

I keep losing any remaining hope I've had left in humanity.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » February 6, 2004, 4:23 pm

If I was the father, I don't think there would be a trial or any chance of appeal. When you have a repeat offender caught on videotape doing this, they should be immediately exectued after being raped in the ass with smoldering firebrands.

My wife's cousin was 11 years old when she was raped and murdered here in Fairfield, OH. The murdering fuck that did it stuffed her into a cabinet in his garage and then went out to help look for the missing girl with the neighbors and relatives. He is eligible for parole this year. Why exactly does our justice system suck?

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » February 6, 2004, 4:35 pm

Are we sure that's a human in old sparky?
Either my brain just can't compreheend it or that looks like a manakin stuffed with eggplant.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » February 6, 2004, 4:39 pm

I like the thought of a No holds bared match.

Look at what happend to Jeffory Domer. sp?

THe beat the living fuck out of him to the point of him dieing. Make it Pay per view. 3 Bad ass guys vs a child molester,anything goes match.

But if I was the father, I would pull a Jack Ruby on his ass walking in to the court room.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 6, 2004, 4:45 pm

yeah but what does that accomplish for your other kids?

i mean i'm sure i'd lose my mind if it was my daughter with fury.

but if you have other kids, you do not have the luxury to endulge your passions and do jail time and no longer provide income for your family.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 6, 2004, 4:56 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Why exactly does our justice system suck?

Because we keep filling our prisons up with nonviolent offenders. Here in Florida, a 2 time felon convicted of 1st degree murder will serve less time than a first time offender busted with a kilo of blow.

Psyloche · Post by **Psyloche** » February 6, 2004, 5:05 pm

masteen wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Why exactly does our justice system suck?
Because we keep filling our prisons up with nonviolent offenders. Here in Florida, a 2 time felon convicted of 1st degree murder will serve less time than a first time offender busted with a kilo of blow.

I think potentially the person with the blow can fuck up people's lives as much as the murderer. Only its a lot easier to visibly see how much the murderer screws with people's lives.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 6, 2004, 5:35 pm

If blow was decriminilized and regulated, and some of the billions we spend yearly funneled into educational programs (not Reefer Madness-type bullshit), it woudn't be a problem at all.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » February 6, 2004, 5:49 pm

They really need to start a torture penalty for shit like this. Put him in solitary and hire proffesionals to torture the motherfucker ever day of the rest of his life. The only time he gets to come out of his darkness will be for pain and soon he will wish he could just stay in the darkness for ever.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 6, 2004, 5:52 pm

i think we should expand the trend of selective interpretation of the constitution, yes, it is doing wonders for our country!

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » February 6, 2004, 5:52 pm

masteen wrote:If blow was decriminilized and regulated, and some of the billions we spend yearly funneled into educational programs (not Reefer Madness-type bullshit), it woudn't be a problem at all.

And I would be perpetually wired

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 6, 2004, 7:17 pm

archeiron wrote:
masteen wrote:If blow was decriminilized and regulated, and some of the billions we spend yearly funneled into educational programs (not Reefer Madness-type bullshit), it woudn't be a problem at all.
And I would be perpetually wired

At least America's weight problem would go away!

Krurk · Post by **Krurk** » February 6, 2004, 7:26 pm

For Sionistic:

"In Florida, each execution costs the state $3.2 million, compared to $600,000 for life imprisonment."

http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/cost.html

Personally, I like the car battery and jumper cable approach.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 6, 2004, 8:06 pm

There's no need for torture of any sort, that violates all the principles that the country was founded on.

I don't see anything wrong with a forced labor program, however. Provided that the program was run in accordance with strict standards of humanity, ensuring adequate health & safety standards, along with reasonable work hours (maybe 6 days a week) and reasonable working conditions.

And yes, nonviolent offenders (and especially perpetrators of victimless crimes) really need to get out of jail.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » February 6, 2004, 8:29 pm

im sorry but people in prision for extremely bad crimes should be treated with sub-human standards ... your not going there for a vacation ... your not supposed to want to go there ...

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 6, 2004, 8:54 pm

The 8th amendment of the United States Constitution:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » February 6, 2004, 10:32 pm

Should make a new part of it

" If you are found without a doubt to do a felony crime, all you're personal rights, are forfit."

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 6, 2004, 10:35 pm

I'm sure that you're aware of how easy it is to be wrongfully convicted of a felony in this country.

I'd also like to point out that there are plenty of felony crimes that are not nearly worthy of an entire forfeiture of personal rights.

Further, that amendment is specifically referring to the justice system, and thus felons, and granting them rights. As worded, it explicitly opposes your point. Adding that sentence would make it contradictory and illogical.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » February 6, 2004, 10:38 pm

Are you stoned, Sueven?

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 6, 2004, 10:49 pm

Are you stoned, Sueven?

That is indeed an astute question.

I'd also like to respond to a response in advance: Some may suggest that we create a second standard of proof, and require adherence to this standard in order to remove personal rights. However, the standard of proof for conviction in a criminal case is "beyond a reasonable doubt," which is, as far as I'm concerned, about as strong a standard of proof as can objectively be assigned. Setting a stronger standard would be both illogical and arbitrary.

Brotha, feel free to point out your qualms about my thinking.

EDIT: For an example of just how stupid felony law can be:

Legislative critics in Florida of violent computer games have been thwarted before in attempts to make selling them to minors a third-degree felony, punishable by up to five years in prison or a $5,000 fine.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... games_dc_2

Now obviously this isn't currently a felony crime, but the fact that something so stupid is even in the felony ballpark is an indication of how completely impractical this is. I don't mean to harp for such a long time on such a small comment, but I've actually heard the same point endorsed by a number of people, and I really can't believe it.

Post by **Xouqoa** » February 7, 2004, 12:26 am

What we need is Pre-Crime, then this shit would never happen.

On a more serious note, I hope they throw this guy to the wolves in a Federal Prison and they make sure every inmate knows exactly what he did. Free execution that way, which won't cost the state 3.2m or whatever, and he won't be around very long so it really won't cost it much to put him in prison either!

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » February 7, 2004, 2:37 pm

"accidently" put him in with the main prison population

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 7, 2004, 5:08 pm

I'd find someone in the same prison with him and offer them money to make his life hell. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find some big mean fucker in prison willing to fuck him up on a regular basis for a couple cartons of cigarettes.

Kithyen · Post by **Kithyen** » February 9, 2004, 3:32 am

Lalanae wrote:I'd find someone in the same prison with him and offer them money to make his life hell. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find some big mean fucker in prison willing to fuck him up on a regular basis for a couple cartons of cigarettes.

From what I've heard that would probably be unneccesary. Apparently the prison guards or warden go down the line of prisoners and basically introduce new prisoners and what they're in for. If they're being jailed for rape, child molestation pedophilia etc they make sure to announce it loud and clear. I'm not completely sure what they do about seperation of these types of felons from the general populace but I'm sure a little butt-rompin could be arranged quite easily. You can almost guaruntee if he gets put away he won't last a month.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » February 9, 2004, 4:14 am

Just cut off his hands and penis (certainly won't be killing any more people, or raping them for that matter). And put him in pound-me-in-the-ass prison. I'd be willing to have my taxes pay for that.

Estrosiath · Post by **Estrosiath** » February 9, 2004, 11:35 am

I think an eternity of torture would not be enough for someone like this. Raping and murdering a child, taking away the light from his or her parent's life, is an act that is simply unforgivable. Any kind of sexual offense should be treated with utmost severity; if compounded with murder, even more so. Even a "simple" sexual assault can easily compromise the mental state of any woman or man exposed to it, in various stressful and/or permanent ways.

Now, what punition would be enough? Killing him in a human way? I don't think so. Just try and put yourself in the place of the girl... Try to feel what she may have felt - alone, scared, probably aware of what was going to happen to her. Minutes must have felt like hours to her, while she was being defiled by a maniac. And then, after he was done, and she probably was sobbing in a fetal position, he killed her.

And I should just kill him by "lethal injection"? I think not. No fancy quotes from Pulp Fiction here - I feel there is a need for an eye for eye justice in this kind of case. Rape him in the ass with a large, painfully spiked dildo, then castrate him in a most painful way and then throw him to the pigs, while making sure he doesn't bleed to death, but that he is too weak to defend himself from them.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » February 10, 2004, 8:27 am

They should just shot him send his family the bullet and charge em for it.

CalandraWindrose · Post by **CalandraWindrose** » February 14, 2004, 12:59 am

This man, if guilty and I guess I'd have it say it looks like he is, should be put away forever and never see the outside again. He should be permanently separated from society.

I have no qualms about that.

However - how we choose to treat our offenders - says a lot about us as a society. I'm not saying set them up in a country club. I'm not saying prison should be cushy or fun.

But this guy is clearly sick. Does that absolve him of responsibility? No - but the pervasive violence and our continuing acceptance of it is a worrying thing to me. ie....we start torturing child molesters...or we place people in solitary confinement for years - where do we stop? The problem is we don't. A society that finds these behaviors acceptable for "prisioners" I believe would find too many other things acceptable as well.

Also realize - that hard core serial murderers get thrown in with three time petty theft losers. I hope we can agree that not all crimes are the same. Sure people shouldn't steal - but a three time shoplifter should perhaps not be placed in the same situation. It is not easy to make those fine distinctions within the confines of a prison - you expect guards and fellow prisioners to make these distinctions?

This guy shouldn't be released - he's a danger. But the treatment most receive in prison simply leads imo to a high degree of relapse. There are fewer abilities to gain education, learn a trade and/or get needed drug and mental health treatment than there used to be. These programs are cost effective as they allow people to have an actual shot at building a life when they get out instead of coming back through the revolving door.

I'll reiterate - no prison shouldn't be fun. But when we allow inhumane conditions it demeans us all imo.

Mplor · Post by **Mplor** » February 14, 2004, 1:23 am

Estrosiath wrote:Now, what punition would be enough?

'Punition' sounds vary funny when spoken aloud. Sounds like it should mean something entirely different.

Ten VVs to you for intriguing me more than any other post all week!