This is why drugs are BAD for you!

Kyria · Post by **Kyria** » January 23, 2004, 3:22 am

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_pag ... 62,00.html

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » January 23, 2004, 3:49 am

Need the name of the drug so I can avoid it like the plague.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » January 23, 2004, 5:15 am

Any hallucinogenic drug could do this to you. This is a fucking rare case, but if you take hallucinogenic drugs, it is always possible that you can cause yourself bodily harm. Even "light" hallucinogenic drugs, such as certain psilocybe mushrooms have had some nasty side-effects, like self mutilation in VERY RARE cases.

Just in case some of you silly fucks try drugs like this out lemme give you a couple basic tips:

Never take any hallucenogenic drug unless you are in a calm and comfortable environment, and are not stressed or have anything bothering you. Don't go anywhere that isn't familiar to you. You need to be in a peaceful mind-state before you take them. If you even have a little itch it could possibly turn into, "OMFG there are ants burrowing into my skin, I need to stab them with a this pen", type crap. Or in that guy's case, "My god there is a fucking rattlesnake between my legs, kill it, kill it!!"

This may sound silly, but a good thing to do if you ever take any hallucinogenic drug is to write in bold pen on your arm, "I am on mushrooms, this is only a hallucination", etc. Simple, legible statements like that usaually can help bring things into order if you get into a problem.

That's the main things I know, I have only done shrooms twice and nothing else besides pot, but I have a couple friends who do shrooms a lot and even LSD. These are just a couple of the things they've shared with me. I'm sure there's some websites that have precautionary advice for this type of shit.

Mukyluk · Post by **Mukyluk** » January 23, 2004, 11:01 am

Erowid.com

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » January 23, 2004, 11:40 am

OUCH

As someone who ate more hallucinogenic drugs then I care to think about and never once had a "bad trip" (or a flashback, I got gypped!) all I can think is, weak minds + powerful drugs = bad outcomes

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 23, 2004, 11:59 am

Random chance + powerful (non-addictive) drugs = bad outcomes

Heroin, crack, etc.. = bad outcome (unless your life spiraling down the toilet isn't a bad outcome to you)

Something happening is nearly inevitable if you do drugs long enough, you're spinning the wheel every time.

brego · Post by **brego** » January 23, 2004, 12:27 pm

lets just say the mental images that came with that story were bad enough to stop me from taking any more drugs lol

Dellin · Post by **Dellin** » January 23, 2004, 2:11 pm

wow he was messed up, note to self, stay away frem teh drugs

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » January 23, 2004, 2:41 pm

Aabidano wrote:Random chance + powerful (non-addictive) drugs = bad outcomes

Heroin, crack, etc.. = bad outcome (unless your life spiraling down the toilet isn't a bad outcome to you)

Something happening is nearly inevitable if you do drugs long enough, you're spinning the wheel every time.

Either that or after 20 years you finally get sober. As far as random chance, I would have to disagree... I watched a number of my friends and myself do the same copious amounts of powerful drugs, the ones I would describe as a mental rock got thru it fine, the others wasted away under the intensity. I am not talking taking acid a dozen times a year here, I am talking about large amounts of chemical substances on a daily basis for years. I got thru it pretty damn good, I am glad I did what I did, from the freebase to the exotic psychedelics from other far away lands (iawasca, nepenthe, yopo) to the lovely inventions of our phamasutical companies (LSD, MDMA,DMT), the only thing I am more glad of is this july 23 coming up, I will have 5 years sober, life is much much better sober.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 23, 2004, 3:34 pm

Pherr the Dorf wrote:life is much much better sober.

8 years April 14th...

Haven't thrown up blood in years

Now if I could only stop smoking...

Ennia · Post by **Ennia** » January 23, 2004, 6:46 pm

Dellin wrote:wow he was messed up, note to self, stay away frem teh drugs

Jackass
with NQWS (not quite work safe) avatar

Korell · Post by **Korell** » January 23, 2004, 6:59 pm

I say if its in black and white.. its art, not porno.

Deneve · Post by **Deneve** » January 23, 2004, 9:19 pm

Ennia wrote: Jackass
with NQWS (not quite work safe) avatar

NQWS

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 23, 2004, 9:32 pm

Lots of penis chopping going around lately...

http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7451

Zygar_ Cthulhukin · Post by **Zygar_ Cthulhukin** » January 23, 2004, 9:38 pm

Us guys are just trying to catch up with the women...they were beating us in the cutting off penises category.

BeatSoggybiscuit · Post by **BeatSoggybiscuit** » January 24, 2004, 5:44 am

one less drug user in the gene pool, sounds good to me!

Post by **Sylvus** » January 24, 2004, 5:54 am

I find it odd when people just discount people who use drugs wholesale. There are good and bad people in both the drug using and drug avoiding crowds. You shouldn't eat everything that you are fed.

Enrap · Post by **Enrap** » January 24, 2004, 10:37 am

I often browse this board but don't participate in discussions, but on this topic, I can shed a qualified light that can explain a little about psychology and hallucinogens that can be important to understand.

Although some drugs can cause a dramatic "trip" on their own, most users never reach the point where they commit bodily harm (if you aren't considering the using of said drug as bodily harm) because of the basic primal instinct of self preservation.

These extreme "trips" (on non addictive hallucinogens) are often a result of a genetic predisposition to mental illness, specifically schizophrenia*. This is why you often only hear about males having the really bad "trip" because schizophrenia is a predominantly male mental illness (can occur in both sexes at an equal rate, but males tend to exhibit the extreme symptoms while females tend to suffer milder, less debilitating symptoms). In individuals with a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia it is likely that the chemical disruption caused by using the drug will induce a schizophrenic episode. These individuals may not exhibit schizophrenia and may never have had or would have exhibited symptoms of schizophrenia if they had never taken the drug, but the drug activates the production and/or sensitivity to the chemical makeup of the brain's neurotransmitters (specifically dopamine and possibly serotonin**).

Amphetamines can also be associated with schizophrenic reactions to those with a predisposition, since the same neurotransmitters are stimulated.

*schizophrenia, for those who don't know, is not the same condition as multiple personality disorder (a very common misconception I usually point out in discussions) Schizophrenia is related to the levels of the dopamine and possibly serotonin in the brain, which are the means in which the brain transfers information. The characteristics of schizophrenia vary widely, including, but not limited to separation from reality, audio/visual hallucinations, delusions, social withdrawal, inability to function, and many more. Schizophrenia tends to "appear" between the ages of 15 and 25.

**I say "possibly serotonin" because many members of the psychiatric community are still "in the air" about this one as well as a few other neurotransmitters that may play a role in schizophrenia. The dopamine connection to the illness is already established by the effectiveness of antipsychotic drugs that control it's levels specifically, so, many within the community are satisfied with that because of it's success in controlling the symptoms in most patients.

I hope this lesson explains the phenomenom of the "bad trip" and why and to whom it happens. Sure, sometimes it's the type of drugs, combination, and the amount of drugs a person (or withdrawal from) that causes bazaar and sometimes violent behavior, but sometimes the brain itself is a ticking timebomb to psychotic behavior that may only be released by taking a drug, whether it is chronic usage or merely the first time. I am still curious as to what it was the guy was actually on, that would be good to know for future referance.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » January 24, 2004, 1:13 pm

Enrap wrote:I often browse this board but don't participate in discussions, but on this topic, I can shed a qualified light that can explain a little about psychology and hallucinogens that can be important to understand.

Although some drugs can cause a dramatic "trip" on their own, most users never reach the point where they commit bodily harm (if you aren't considering the using of said drug as bodily harm) because of the basic primal instinct of self preservation.

These extreme "trips" (on non addictive hallucinogens) are often a result of a genetic predisposition to mental illness, specifically schizophrenia*. This is why you often only hear about males having the really bad "trip" because schizophrenia is a predominantly male mental illness (can occur in both sexes at an equal rate, but males tend to exhibit the extreme symptoms while females tend to suffer milder, less debilitating symptoms). In individuals with a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia it is likely that the chemical disruption caused by using the drug will induce a schizophrenic episode. These individuals may not exhibit schizophrenia and may never have had or would have exhibited symptoms of schizophrenia if they had never taken the drug, but the drug activates the production and/or sensitivity to the chemical makeup of the brain's neurotransmitters (specifically dopamine and possibly serotonin**).

Amphetamines can also be associated with schizophrenic reactions to those with a predisposition, since the same neurotransmitters are stimulated.

*schizophrenia, for those who don't know, is not the same condition as multiple personality disorder (a very common misconception I usually point out in discussions) Schizophrenia is related to the levels of the dopamine and possibly serotonin in the brain, which are the means in which the brain transfers information. The characteristics of schizophrenia vary widely, including, but not limited to separation from reality, audio/visual hallucinations, delusions, social withdrawal, inability to function, and many more. Schizophrenia tends to "appear" between the ages of 15 and 25.

**I say "possibly serotonin" because many members of the psychiatric community are still "in the air" about this one as well as a few other neurotransmitters that may play a role in schizophrenia. The dopamine connection to the illness is already established by the effectiveness of antipsychotic drugs that control it's levels specifically, so, many within the community are satisfied with that because of it's success in controlling the symptoms in most patients.

I hope this lesson explains the phenomenom of the "bad trip" and why and to whom it happens. Sure, sometimes it's the type of drugs, combination, and the amount of drugs a person (or withdrawal from) that causes bazaar and sometimes violent behavior, but sometimes the brain itself is a ticking timebomb to psychotic behavior that may only be released by taking a drug, whether it is chronic usage or merely the first time. I am still curious as to what it was the guy was actually on, that would be good to know for future referance.

Probably the smartest first post ever, but I am still gonna add

JACKASS

Cracc · Post by **Cracc** » January 24, 2004, 1:46 pm

Since he had been taking pills im guessing it might be mescaline or some smartdrug he had been taking.. We had a similar case like this in europe awhile back.. Some teen guy who drank Datura tea.. ( http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura.shtml ) And cut of his own tounge and dick...

Seem's like the dick is the first thing to go when the heavy duty psychoactive psychosis set's in

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 24, 2004, 3:07 pm

That's cause it's the source of all our angst...