I heard they were banning people for that exploit in Tactics

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » January 19, 2004, 12:19 am

Topper wrote:Ah thats right - i was wrong.

Good of you to correct me though aslanna, i appreciate it.

Oh and i hardly consider one mistake reading comprehension problems.

Asshole

OH and ps- i love your constany grammar / formatting pokes. Can you flame without them?

well, you stupid fucking asshole, if you're going to call someone out on something, make good and goddamned sure you don't fuck up in doing so. you, however, did not do such things and it *gasp* came back in your fucking face.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 19, 2004, 2:01 am

I made a mistake like that once.

I got a PM and corrected it immediately.

No one seems to like Topper here anymore.

Sargeras · Post by **Sargeras** » January 19, 2004, 2:01 am

Don't fuck with Kylorne, he owns.

vaerd · Post by **vaerd** » January 19, 2004, 3:24 am

Aslanna wrote:
Actually it is a word. Most references classify it as nonstandard and direct you to using regardless instead though.

The fact that ignorant, uneducated people use it does not make it a word. It's like saying, 'I don't got no money,' is a sentence. That's not a sentence and irregardless isn't a word. It's moron slang.

Irregardless, it ain't no skin off my back if'n you want to look like you don't got no ejacation.

Kind of funny that there were a few posts about this.. I looked up this 'pseudo-word' on dictionary.com before I posted and saw they had it listed as used chiefly in casual writing which I figured this was. Now I'm reading their entire little paragraph about the word and it says it's been considered 'a blunder for decades' haha my mistake.. I have no ejacation

Well, you probably wouldn't use the ATM at all, you probably tipped off the reporter that posted the problem. See, you were to busy reassuring yourself that your a good upstanding citizen. You, sir, are the holy roller that balances out all the bad in the world with your saint-like actions. You are the ying, to my yang.

Ok, /sarcasm off for a right_quick_second here. Your supplementing what you lack in RL for what your recieving from this "game" or "hobby". You seem to lack any sense of pride from your RL side, and are using what you "earn" from this game to keep yourself from taking the old rilfe your mom used on your dad when she found out he was working at the dock, giving blowjobs to sailors for free, and using it on yourself.

haha.. If this exploit seriously gets you this hard then by all means, knock yourself out. Train mobs on each other all the live long day if it's analogous to finding an ATM that spits out endless $50s for you =p It is of no consequence to me or anyone else if you get max aa from this and then go on to max every GoD aa the day it comes out. The point was that I would, personally, have trouble being proud of such a method of 'earning' aa.
..seriously no idea where you get from all this that I 'lack any sense of pride from your RL side'. Do you often resort to weak, general insults about someone's life who you don't even know?

about your 'holy roller' comment.. your reasoning here is kind of baffling. Would you consider any person who chooses not to cheat at something when they have the opportunity to a 'holy roller'? You feel no qualms whatsoever about cheating to get what you want? That's just.. wow =p Maybe someday soon you'll realize that there's nothing completely free.. ever.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » January 19, 2004, 3:25 am

Well said Jice.

I think you covered the issue clearly. Still not sure why they are actually admitting to doing the exploit in a public message board.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » January 19, 2004, 7:24 am

Sargeras wrote:Don't fuck with Kylorne, he owns.

Kylorne trained me in Sol C. he sucks!

noel · Post by **noel** » January 19, 2004, 8:45 am

Pahreyia wrote:I made a mistake like that once.

I got a PM and corrected it immediately.

No one seems to like Topper here anymore.

He's about the whiniest, flailing, idiot I've ever seen on these forums.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 19, 2004, 9:22 am

vaerd wrote:Kind of funny that there were a few posts about this.. I looked up this 'pseudo-word' on dictionary.com before I posted and saw they had it listed as used chiefly in casual writing which I figured this was. Now I'm reading their entire little paragraph about the word and it says it's been considered 'a blunder for decades' haha my mistake.. I have no ejacation

Well Karae obviously doesn't like the word. But that doesn't change the fact that it's still a word and not (moronic) slang. And it's only a "blunder" depending on who writes the definition.

usage: Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

Like I said earlier, I'm not trying trying to say it's right or wrong to use. I don't use it. But I don't get in a tizzy and tell someone it's not a word when I see it used.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » January 19, 2004, 11:57 am

Topper's really a nice bloke ingame.
Weak on the flamesauce, yes. But a nice guy.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » January 19, 2004, 11:58 am

Usage Note: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.

Better not use it in any formal writing or formal conversations

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 19, 2004, 2:35 pm

Topper wrote:Oh and i hardly consider one mistake reading comprehension problems.

I agree. Unfortunately for you I base that on all the other posts from you I've read in the past. Fact is you make Cartalas look like Einstein.

OH and ps- i love your constany grammar / formatting pokes. Can you flame without them?

I assume you meant 'constant' up above there? If so, feel free to post examples of my "constant grammar / formatting pokes". Other than this one, and maybe the one telling Trias there was such a thing as a edit feature, which involved neither grammer nor formatting, I can't think of any. So I'm calling BS on your statement. Better luck next time.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 19, 2004, 2:39 pm

Aslanna corrected my grammar once...

I called Shaerra a cuntbag, and she reminded me that I needed to capatalize the C because in her case, it's truly a proper noun.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 19, 2004, 2:46 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Topper wrote:Oh and i hardly consider one mistake reading comprehension problems.
I agree. Unfortunately for you I base that on all the other posts from you I've read in the past. Fact is you make Cartalas look like Einstein.

OH and ps- i love your constany grammar / formatting pokes. Can you flame without them?
I assume you meant 'constant' up above there? If so, feel free to post examples of my "constant grammar / formatting pokes". Other than this one, and maybe the one telling Trias there was such a thing as a edit feature, which involved neither grammer nor formatting, I can't think of any. So I'm calling BS on your statement. Better luck next time.

I see ASSCLOWNA is opening her mouth again

Topper · Post by **Topper** » January 19, 2004, 4:35 pm

not worth it -- EDIT

noel · Post by **noel** » January 19, 2004, 6:14 pm

It's always worth it.

Now that I know you're a member of FS, I'll flame you less though.

Valkeria · Post by **Valkeria** » January 20, 2004, 11:13 am

I have to agree with Sarg Kylorne is am amazing guide he actually gives a damn about players.

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » January 20, 2004, 1:27 pm

Tried Tactics last night.

The only think I learned is that I was not able to keep people alive. Down to 25 mana after first wave ... What the hell were these guys thinking!?

If there is an exploit I want to use it. Not to cheat but only to validate that it exist. No really.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 20, 2004, 2:13 pm

Aranuil wrote:It's always worth it.

Now that I know you're a member of FS, I'll flame you less though.

Looks like someone narrowly escaped some pure ownage being laid down by the Topmeister. I wonder who that lucky soul was.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » January 20, 2004, 2:37 pm

For those still in the dark:

There are two "factions" in the pit / basement in Tactics. Any npc models ( soandso of zek / ogres / etc. ) are on the zek faction; wraiths, boars, crows, etc. are not. Each faction will obviously assist it's own kind.

You can solo this as an enchanter, or get one to help you. Getting this to work will involve two mobs. One needs to be a wraith, the other can be anything on the zek faction ( get a gladiator or something in the pit ). It doesn't matter which one, but the enchanter needs to charm one of them with Command of Druzzil. For example purpose, let's say you charm a gladiator. Charm it, and wait for a wraith to wonder near you, alone if possible. Get the pet on the wraith.

Now, as soon as the wraith begins to cast a spell, invis the enchanter to break the charm; hopefully just before the wraith's spell will land. Anyways, the wraith will then attack the gladiator, and should be able to out-aggro the enchanter. At this point, you train mobs from both factions towads this little fight; start small, then get big. Bring two boars, bring two ogres. Bring 5-7 "creatures" then bring 5-7 zek faction mobs. Before you know it, you'll have your own little war going on between these npc factions. As long as you're aggro'd on them ( you pull them and train them on the pile ) you'll get xp when they die.

Get a full xp group and you can pull the entire basement floor + the pit and keep them clear. The trick is to balance the factions; if one side wins, you start over.

A full xp group can earn an AA every 4 - 6 minutes if you're pullers know what they're doing - about what I was earning; a good enc can solo for an AA every 2 - 3 minutes if they're smart. Also, unless you're really careful about your work, there's a good chance you'll die plenty; LHA is the devil on this. Healing your party members usually turn half the pile on you; best bet is to zone out before you get low on hp. In that respect, running too close to the pile, usually results in 15 - 20 pit mobs collectively attacking you; fairly high risk involved for the "average" player.

Based on this; it's technically not a bug. That's basic faction mechanics that have been around since EQ went live. If a mob somehow ends up attacking one from another faction ( although not necessarily opposing, but just different ) other mobs of their respective factions assist. This is a method of using that to a player's advantage. I wouldn't call it fair, but I wouldn't call it an exploit. It's like saying AE groups in acrylia/deep were exploits, or the un-nerfed CoD being used to solo hall lords in BoT in early PoP. Not to the same degree, but nonetheless using game mechanics to your advantage; not bugs. You could say the way one gets the mobs to attack each other is a bug maybe; but that's no more a bug than the way FD is considered failed when a mob continues it's casting after a successful FD, thereby breaking the FD < -- which at this point is considered "working as intended."

I'm sure they'll undoubtedly do something to "fix" this problem, but it won't be a potactics-only thing. You can do this trick pretty much anywhere that you can find multitudes of xp mobs on differing factions ( seru / wherever ). Somewhere like Seru is obviously harder to pull the same results in, if even possible - until they figure a way to fix the "trick" the most logical solution would be, like Jice said, to have no factions in Potactics in the first place; there's no use in them.

As for why I'm explaining it; I don't care~

Go try it if you need facts!

Nilaman · Post by **Nilaman** » January 20, 2004, 2:47 pm

Drinsic Darkwood wrote:or the un-nerfed CoD being used to solo hall lords in BoT in early PoP

Not asking this to be dumb, but to prove a point. Why was this nerfed again?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 20, 2004, 3:01 pm

Yeah, yeah. Just like hiding underwater to build agro was a game mechanic and didn't get entire guilds disbanded!!

Feckless assholes. Next explain to me how roofies are a legitimate dating tactic.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 20, 2004, 3:06 pm

Just don't ask Korell to answer that one Zae.

Speaking of commentary, where's kittah?

Mukyluk · Post by **Mukyluk** » January 20, 2004, 3:29 pm

At the exact point you break the charm is when you begin exploitng the factions. if you breaka charm then you dont ahve controll over the mob and you shouldnt get any exp.. thats how the game was set up. i hope you finnaly get what you have deserved for years.. banned like the coward that you are.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 20, 2004, 3:38 pm

Pahreyia wrote:Just don't ask Korell to answer that one Zae.

Speaking of commentary, where's kittah?

Alenna · Post by **Alenna** » January 20, 2004, 4:09 pm

all the exploit seems to be is getting xp from the kill. Im assuming you dont get xp if you are proximity-aggroing the mobs to pull them onto the pile?

else, kudos on figuring out how to beat the system.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » January 20, 2004, 4:47 pm

Mukyluk wrote: i hope you finnaly get what you have deserved for years.. banned like the coward that you are.

Coward? Exactly what is it you are suggesting I'm afraid of buddy?

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 20, 2004, 4:48 pm

Zaelath wrote:
Pahreyia wrote:Just don't ask Korell to answer that one Zae.

Speaking of commentary, where's kittah?

/hugs Zae

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 20, 2004, 4:54 pm

Hehe.. I'm sure she's a good girl and doesn't read VV at work.. lalala

Mukyluk · Post by **Mukyluk** » January 20, 2004, 5:06 pm

your past...ive seen OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of the shit youve pulled over the last few years.. its ashame $oE has no spine left or you would been banned long ago..

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » January 20, 2004, 5:07 pm

What, you mean leaving guilds and leaving them in shambles is a bannable offense these days? If you're referring to my past that is; because if it is, shit I better watch my ass lest I be banned!11!11one11

Mukyluk · Post by **Mukyluk** » January 20, 2004, 5:28 pm

trains and Ksn major raid mobs. that used to be banable shit. harrasment used to be banable. useing exploites used to be banable. But $oE lost there spine for banning people quite some time ago it seems. you never left a guild in shambles persay, but you did your best to sabotage them.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 20, 2004, 5:40 pm

Zaelath wrote:Hehe.. I'm sure she's a good girl and doesn't read VV at work.. lalala

Isn't it your job to remidy that?

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » January 20, 2004, 5:46 pm

I fail to see what part of my past I'm such a coward of.

Trains? No, but I have made large pulls ( poearth ring a bell? ) that other guilds have tried to steal from me and then wipe to ( although I did get a good kick out Mjollnir's 'look out for drinsic's trains' warning on the Fennin prep~ ). =(((

KSing raid mobs? I've never lead or attended a raid where I've engaged and killed a mob I didn't engage first.

Harassment? Who the fuck are you talking about? Lol, who have I harassed? You?

Exploits? Yeah you got me there, my history of exploitation and rule-breaking is vast~

Jesus Christ, if you're going to flame someone, do something other than jumping on Xagyg's bandwagon of Drinsic-paparazzi and pull random shit out of your ass.

The_Furball · Post by **The_Furball** » January 20, 2004, 7:23 pm

Pahreyia wrote:
Zaelath wrote:Hehe.. I'm sure she's a good girl and doesn't read VV at work.. lalala
Isn't it your job to remidy that?

Um, Meow?~~
I refuse to get sucked in!

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 20, 2004, 7:49 pm

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » January 20, 2004, 8:14 pm

Drinsic Darkwood wrote:...jumping on Xagyg's bandwagon of Drinsic-paparazzi...

Just to be perfectly clear about this, I'd have the same issue and would make the same points about this regardless of who is involved. If I see some people blatantly exploiting I'll have something to say about it, regardless of whether it's a group of Norrathians for Jesus, Da Troll Patrol, FoH, HOOAC or Fiends. The fact that in this case it's an obnoxious self-absorbed, amoral prick that I happen to dislike (you) is just a bonus.

Don't delude yourself into thinking that the disdain you see expressed in this thread has jack or shit to do with who you are or the tag you wear. It's got everything to do with the sort of dubious behavior you were engaged in, and absolutely nothing more.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » January 20, 2004, 8:27 pm

Xatrei wrote:
Drinsic Darkwood wrote:...jumping on Xagyg's bandwagon of Drinsic-paparazzi...
Just to be perfectly clear about this, I'd have the same issue and would make the same points about this regardless of who is involved. If I see some people blatantly exploiting I'll have something to say about it, regardless of whether it's a group of Norrathians for Jesus, Da Troll Patrol, FoH, HOOAC or Fiends. The fact that in this case it's an obnoxious self-absorbed, amoral prick that I happen to dislike (you) is just a bonus.

Don't delude yourself into thinking that the disdain you see expressed in this thread has jack or shit to do with who you are or the tag you wear. It's got everything to do with the sort of dubious behavior you were engaged in, and absolutely nothing more.

The bandwagon comment isn't in reference to this post; you started posting on this before I had any relation or knowledge about this "exploit." It's more in reference to the laughable comments you tend to throw my way on this board ( by all means, don't stop ). Nor do I really care, or I wouldn't have made any mention of myself in this thread. I'm just really getting a kick out of seeing morons like Tenr or Topper taking shots me / my guild and looking like complete retards in the process~ I must admit, however, Xagyg, your flames tend to be a good deal better then those of the aforementioned.

Please, continue~

Moonwynd · Post by **Moonwynd** » January 20, 2004, 9:29 pm

I doubt anyone is going to banned for anything pretty soon. A friend of mine who has been in the Guide Program for quite some time now said that the program is changing drastically.

1. Only GM's will answer petitions...guides will no longer answer any petitions.

2. SOE hired more GM's...these new GM's will now be based overseas...and will be handling all petitions.

3. Guides are now only provided to handle quests and quest related information.

Just thought I would throw this FYI in the post for the heck of it...

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » January 21, 2004, 12:15 am

Drinsic Darkwood wrote:The bandwagon comment isn't in reference to this post; you started posting on this before I had any relation or knowledge about this "exploit." It's more in reference to the laughable comments you tend to throw my way on this board ( by all means, don't stop ).

This piqued my curiosity since I struggled to think of a time that I've said a thing about you on a message board board since you left Farstorm. I decided to skim through some of my posts to see what I may have forgotten. Prior to this thread, I can't find a single instance of me saying anything about you specifically, and only a one mild, sarcastic comment about your guild. Maybe I just missed them, could you point me toward some examples of these laughable comments that I've made to/regarding you?

You see, 99.95% of the time, I'm perfectly content to ignore you and the rest of "F Troop." I typically don't consider you to be worthy of my attention, but if it puts a tingle in your pants to think that I do, please feel free to do so.

Mukyluk · Post by **Mukyluk** » January 21, 2004, 1:07 am

oh he called me a moron.. this comeing froma putz whos life ambition is to play EQ. as you put so simply on your guilds main page. what was it you said? "We're only looking for real-life losers that only find entertainment from raiding on EQ." what a way to describe your friends?guildmates? what a great outstanding member of society you are..
as for your bandwagon ideas.. im not one of your "tenfold" gay marrage sheep.

you are a waist of flesh and all that is wrong with this game.

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » January 21, 2004, 2:04 am

Mukyluk wrote: oh he called me a moron.. this comeing froma putz whos life ambition is to play EQ. as you put so simply on your guilds main page. what was it you said? "We're only looking for real-life losers that only find entertainment from raiding on EQ." what a way to describe your friends?guildmates?

Ok, I don' play EQ anymore, and even when I did I never really liked Drinsic...but thats retarded. Seriously, first off, I'm sure he was joking about that, and second, even if he wasn't, that really is pretty much what you have to do to raid in high end EQ. Hell, thats one of the biggest reasons I quit (along with the fact that EQ wasn't fun anymore, especially dying like 5x in a night trying to kill easy ass shit in Ele).

Edit:I Rox at Quoting

Mukyluk · Post by **Mukyluk** » January 21, 2004, 2:17 am

Ash go look at his frontpage.. by his posts you would think ehs a Jr. member of the fucking KKK

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » January 21, 2004, 2:29 am

Actually, we're all members of the KKK, even Kyloni. We like to dress in bed sheets and dance around flaming crosses between raid-nights. Feel free to join us.

Korell · Post by **Korell** » January 21, 2004, 2:43 am

*blushes*

Ok guys, I know I said I wouldn't post again on this thread but a question was asked that I simply just can't ignore. Allow me to enlighten you...

Zaelath wrote:Feckless assholes. Next explain to me how roofies are a legitimate dating tactic.

Ok. Well, its a lot like guns are a legitimate hunting tool. Your opponent needs to be taken down in the cleanest, most un-abusive way possible.. well, atleast to their appearance, who the hell really cares if the insides get a little messed up. I mean, your only after the prey for its appearance, you want to mount it over your fireplace or basically anywhere else you can... but im getting away from the topic at hand.

If you take the target down with a gun, or a club, or even a small pocket knife your really gonna screw up its appearance, and thus you can't show the pictures/videos/remains of it to your buddies. Roofies, while not socially accepted, are the cleanest and most efficient way to bag your prey.

--

BTW Tenr, late one night, I found out that port 80 was open on FOH's server (OMG RARE~) and I used my uber exploit and hackered in and got the uber strat for the big W on rathe. Thats how we got him on our very first attempt!

1 4m ub3r h4ck3r 4 h1r3

Electrablu · Post by **Electrablu** » January 21, 2004, 8:58 am

Very first Attempt? Highly unlikely...oh wait, Was that the sarcasm thing again!?!

Mukyluk · Post by **Mukyluk** » January 21, 2004, 9:56 am

you were after RC for what atlest a month? how many deaths is that? then only a short time after another guilds (to remain anon) strat was posted you actually get the kill? and seeing as how nothing is benith you guys to get ahaid in this game...well one can only draw one conclusion

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 21, 2004, 12:34 pm

It was attempt #6. Officially.

Post by **Sylvus** » January 21, 2004, 12:35 pm

Korell wrote:Roofies, while not socially accepted, are the cleanest and most efficient way to bag your prey.

Did you really just say that? There are at least 3 things wrong with that statement... "Not socially accepted" is a bit mild for describing rape, I'd say. "Cleanest" and "most efficient" are a couple more words I wouldn't associate with rape either. Though I suppose if your point of reference is climbing through a window and bludgeoning someone over the head, you could be right.

I don't really give a shit what you do in game, but from the thread you seem like a real asshole without any morals. If someone's calling you a cheater, and the shoe fits, just shut the fuck up and put it on.

suppin · Post by **suppin** » January 21, 2004, 12:53 pm

Mukyluk wrote:you were after RC for what atlest a month? how many deaths is that? then only a short time after another guilds (to remain anon) strat was posted you actually get the kill? and seeing as how nothing is benith you guys to get ahaid in this game...well one can only draw one conclusion

6 attempts = 1/3rd? of what it took ya'll to kill xegony in how long again?

what guild posted rc strat? and do you think that strat overrides the fact that we had like 70-80ish, (alts, boxed etc)? PD/FS has attempted RC how many times so far, and how many people?

and nothing is benith us? guess our next tactic has to be to merge with eqraiders since we're not up to par with pd/fs

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 21, 2004, 1:09 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Korell wrote:Roofies, while not socially accepted, are the cleanest and most efficient way to bag your prey.

Did you really just say that? There are at least 3 things wrong with that statement... "Not socially accepted" is a bit mild for describing rape, I'd say. "Cleanest" and "most efficient" are a couple more words I wouldn't associate with rape either. Though I suppose if your point of reference is climbing through a window and bludgeoning someone over the head, you could be right.

I don't really give a shit what you do in game, but from the thread you seem like a real asshole without any morals. If someone's calling you a cheater, and the shoe fits, just shut the fuck up and put it on.

I feel dirty just being on the same messageboard...