Another crazy Street Video

Kwonryu DragonFist · December 31, 2003, 5:19 am

Skaters these days!

Not in Poland!

http://69.28.156.67/a65/o1/portal/2481847_200.asf

noel · Post by **noel** » December 31, 2003, 5:35 am

Him I would have beat the sh-- err I would have intervened.

Kwonryu DragonFist · December 31, 2003, 5:36 am

Hehe, i'm sure many would have!

noel · Post by **noel** » December 31, 2003, 5:40 am

Kwon, can you explain what 'shoot fighting' is exactly?

Thanks!

Kwonryu DragonFist · December 31, 2003, 5:46 am

It has nothing to do with Guns if you think that!

The "Shooting" in shootfighting or Shooto as its called in Japan, is when you "shoot" for the opponents legs for a takedown!

You can ofcourse win by TKO but mostly you win by Submission!

You cannot work the small joints like fingers, toes etc..

Ankles, Knees, Elbows are allowed though! As well as choking out your opponent! Opponent can tap whenever, saying that he wants to give up.

In Shootfighting you combine the Art of Striking (using Muay Thai training mostly) and the Art of Grappling (Submission Wrestling and/or Jiu Jitsu).

The Brazilians have developed a different sort of Jiu Jitsu than the Japanese, which they call Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) and the Gracie Family with Helo Gracie developed their own Jiu Jitsu called Gracie Jiu Jitsu (GJJ).

A Well known Brazilian ShootFighting team is Chute Boxe with fighters such as Wanderlei Silva, Anderson Silva and Pele Landis Jons(He left Chute Boxe tho).

ShootFighting is a Sport that is a good example of Cross-Training (Training Muay for Striking and JJ for Grappling).

During the Age when Traditional Martial Arts was the most popular (60-70's) a fellow who was a trend-setter in Cross-Training was the late Bruce Lee!

He used his old Wing Tsun (which he started training first), and combined it with Boxing, Wrestling etc and in the end created his own style, Jeet Kune Do.

How did i get to Bruce? Oh yes! Cross-Training.

Nowadays MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) is very popular, especially for those who wishes to compete in full contact!

The K-1 contests are purely striking and resembles Thai Boxing contests OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS, with some modified rules (Short Clinch, only one knee in the clinch, no ELbows etc) which is the number one competition for pure strikers.

In K-1 you are not allowed to grapple or fight on the ground etc...

The ultimate MMA contest In my Opinion is Pride, with UFC (Ultimate Fighting ChampionShip) second. Then we have Shooto(lighter weights), Pancrase etc...

Why prefer MMA before pure striking? Well, in my opinion, it is the closest you can get to a real fight in a sport. Pride have very good rules and is the ultimate for those who can fight both standing and on the ground.

If you are interested, i can send you to an FTp where you can see for yourself!

MMA in action!

Another good thing with ShootFighting and MMA in general is that it is also well implemented as self-defence on the Streets!

You have tools both for standup combat as well as groundfighting!

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » December 31, 2003, 5:48 am

i woulda let him hit me in the head with a skateboard
then i'd say, do it on lan bitch!
then i'd punch his neck

Kwonryu DragonFist · December 31, 2003, 6:02 am

Aranuil, if you have an FTP i can upload the best of the best in ShootFighting, UFC and Pride!

Highlights and such!

If not, here is a link for now!

Chute Boxe's best fighter imo, Wanderlei Silva VS some Japanese fellow.

Wand almost never wins by Submission, it's TKO or KO mostly.

He is a blue belt in BJJ though.

http://strony.wp.pl/wp/italian_stallion/walka/silva.avi

noel · Post by **noel** » December 31, 2003, 6:14 am

I don't have a decent sized one sir. I've watched shootfighting before but was unclear on the specifics. Thanks for the info!

When I was a bit younger, I took a good deal of Kung-Fu (Sa Chan Ma), and some Aiki-Jitsu. It was a nice combination, as I had standing and grappling covered. I've watched quite a few UFCs, but cycling keeps me pretty busy anymore, so I really haven't spent any time working on fighting arts lately.

Kwonryu DragonFist · December 31, 2003, 6:16 am

As long as you got Striking AND Grappling covered, i'll say you'll do just fine!

What's important is to have a solution for every type of problem!

Many Strikers become handicapped after they get taken down !

Check out the movie, its just 4 Mb(quick match!)

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Check it this one too, its an UFC match, Frank Mir VS Wes Sims.

Frank Mir is good at submission.

http://www.ufc.tv/assets/UFC_FTP/43_mir_sims.wmv

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » December 31, 2003, 11:32 am

actually its 6.2megs
and that video in the begining of the thread was part of something else, fake I think too, it was on the foh site, cant remember the details of the video

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » December 31, 2003, 11:34 am

god i love chokes, if anything taking braz JJ would be all worth it just for the chokes i learned, best way to win a fight, that i can think of anyway

sweetkastings · Post by **sweetkastings** » December 31, 2003, 1:06 pm

i was passing this along the ways i thought it was old so i didnt post it here... but ya i thought it was pretty funny seeing i know how it feels to get smackd in the back of the head with a skate board (no trucks) anyways we should find out where this kid lives and kicks his @$$ LOL

Kwonryu DragonFist · December 31, 2003, 3:17 pm

Sionistic wrote:actually its 6.2megs
and that video in the begining of the thread was part of something else, fake I think too, it was on the foh site, cant remember the details of the video

Wanderlei Vid is 4 Mb not 6.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » December 31, 2003, 3:52 pm

my mistake

Kwonryu DragonFist · December 31, 2003, 3:53 pm

Sionistic wrote:my mistake

No Worries! May yer 2004 be a good year and injury-free!

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 31, 2003, 4:06 pm

I was always cheering for my favorite drunken warrior:

Tank kicks mucho ass for not really having any formal training outside of the casual barfight!

Kwonryu DragonFist · December 31, 2003, 4:20 pm

Tank is damn fun to watch

Karae · Post by **Karae** » December 31, 2003, 6:00 pm

Sad that people stood around and watched that. Sad that the guy in the white shirt didn't just knock him out when he caught him trying to come up from behind him.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » December 31, 2003, 6:11 pm

that guy was obviously listening to too much hardcore avril lavigne and became violent.

Kwonryu DragonFist · December 31, 2003, 6:24 pm

Too much Avril does that to you!

Rasspotari · Post by **Rasspotari** » January 1, 2004, 1:52 am

me wants ftp plz

uh and wondering if you could find a name of a fighter in ufc i think it was.. he's dutch .. big guy . blond hair, tall . hair sorta stands straight up, very muscular and cut. i've only seen one fight with him, was against some japanese guy i think, in that one he kneed him in the head over and over, i just gave cudos to the jap guy for standing that kind of punishment and not get knocked out. anyways if u know his name. would be kewl wanna find more fights with him.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » January 1, 2004, 6:29 am

The only big dutch fighter with blond hair i can think of right now would be Semmy Schilt!

Is that him you're thinking of?

Bas Rutten is another but he retired from fighting and is bald!

Rasspotari · Post by **Rasspotari** » January 1, 2004, 7:30 pm

no not him , had a long name , may have been belgium guy . not 100 % sure, but somewhere around those parts. oh and .. ftp plz ..

Karae · Post by **Karae** » January 1, 2004, 8:49 pm

Kind of confused by the UFC clip...I always thought it had no rules.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 1, 2004, 10:21 pm

Karae wrote:Kind of confused by the UFC clip...I always thought it had no rules.

It's been a while since I watched it very closely, but it used to be (vaguely) no biting, no gouging of eyes, and if your opponent taps out or beocmes unconcious, they lose. Ideally people were supposed to fight, not kill each other.

Revs · Post by **Revs** » January 2, 2004, 12:32 am

Who would you enjoy beating with a tire iron?
That skater or Andy Dick?

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » January 2, 2004, 3:48 am

Karae wrote:Kind of confused by the UFC clip...I always thought it had no rules.

The rules have been changed during the years! It's become more of a sport nowadays! Pride have the best rules tho.

But in the FIRST UFC haha, anything was allowed.

I saw a Ninjutsu fighter get totally demolished by Patrick Stewart, a KickBoxer. Anything goes in the first UFC's.

He elbowed him constantly on the ground and blood was gushing everywhere! Fight wasnt stopped after i think 8 elbows or so!

You could elbow peeps right in the eye, drag hair, punch in the groin (!) (Hackney VS Joe Son comes to mind!

)

Nowadays, UFC tries to rival Pride when it comes to good fighting. Rules are similar, but in UFC you fight in the Octagon, a Cage while in Pride you fight in a ring.

You have rounds and a Judge who steps in when someone gets brutalized.
You can also tap to say you give up (Win by Submission).

Nowadays you have TKO's, in the earlier days of UFC you only had KO's!

Before, everyone complained how brutal it was.

Now, it's a good sport with good rules!

Much better fighters now as well.

UFC got Chuck "IceMan" Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Jens Pulver, Bj Penn, Caol Uno etc etc as their big names.

Pride got Kazushi "Gracie Hunter "Sakuraba, Wanderlei "Axe Murderer" Silva, Fedor, Herring, Frye etc

It is not unknown for fighters to change organizations every now and then though! Havent seen any Pride fighter who went to UFC(Much better pay in Pride and you get treated like a SuperStar!),but OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of UFC fighters have joined Pride events like Iceman etc.