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I do find this to be an interesting alternative to melee stagnation, even if it's heavily borrowed from other mmorpgs. Even the resident catasses will be have more opportunities to gain additional new skills in an attempt to smite their bitching from the outset
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Condenced chat from FoHguild.org
Melee Balancing Chat (Condensed)
Q&A Format:
Began at 6:02 pm PST
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*Wilhelm_Lany* hi. I have a three-fold of questions. 1) Can we expect any changes in terms of agro on demand; instant agro generation, without waiting for an opening.? 2) how will increasing the endurance bar work, in terms of getting higher endurance, and endurance regen? 3) how will accessing these new skills once the opening is available work?
1) Yes, the system we're getting allows us to create abilities that aren't tied to openings. We will be giving warriors more options for aggro generation
2) The endurance bar is based on your melee stats and level. Regen is currently based on your level
3) There will be an extra UI window to put hotkeys for the new skills, which will be accessible with keyboard shortcuts
we're still tuning specific values so we don't have actual numbers set in stone yet for endurance costs and regen.
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*Galidin* How do you intend to maintain the desireability of knights in your new melee system when they allready produce far less damage then pure melee, while you fix core issues such as taunt which have been the strong suit of knights?
There's several aspects of the melee revamp, one aspect of which is the new opening system. There's plans on addressing other specific problems with melee in addition to the new system.
The goal is to create a balance where knights and warriors both have equal desirablity in different situations.
We're really excited about all the new changes we're making and we're anquious to get them out on test where we can tune them and see them in action.
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*Coronis* When are you anticipating these changes going live on regular servers?
Our changes are expected to go live during the December 16th update that'll be happening next month. We also plan on introducing them to the Test Server very soon. Feel free to log on the Test Server and use /feedback to tell us what you think about our changes. We'd be happy to hear everyone's thoughts on the systems that are being created.
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*Hamen* Will these Melee changes effect everyone from level the first level on?
You will be able to take advantage of the new melee opening system when you begin recieving new combat abilities at level 20.
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*Illydth* As far as openings go, will any class be able to create an opening for themselves or are openings only created by certain classes?
You will be able to take advantage of openings that you create. Some openings will work for everyone, but there's no link between your opening and someone elses. There are no combinations or dependencies on other players.
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*ScootD* how can you acquire the new melee abilities?
The new abilities will be acquired by taking a "skill tome" to your guild master and he'll teach you the skill. Most of the basic skill swill be available on vendors, while a few high level ones will be drops. Right now we're planning on giving almost all of the sub 60 skills on merchants and having the 60+ skills using a system similar to the parchments quests in Planes of Power. From there on out we'll most likely make use of the same m
From there on out we'll most likely make use of the same methods that you already use to acquire any other type of item.
sorry, my first response got cut off >
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*Lendaor* are many openings going to be based on mob placement? Such as from behind the mob as aposed to being infront?
None of the abilities currently take advantage of your position relative to the mob, so no you won't have to be behind or in front of the mob in order to take advantage of the new abilities.
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*Badu* will pure melee have their current dps lowered to take into account the extra dps from this system?
No, there will be no decrease in melee's DPS to account for the increase from the new system. We're creating the system in such a way that they'll fit in right on top of the old one.
Good thing Absor got lasik to read all the questions flying across his screen.
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*Subayai* Will disciplines be overhauled are are you simply transfering them over to this endurance system? Most melees only use 1 or 2 disciplines, because the others serve no useful purpose in their current state .
We'll be making changes to some of the disciplines that aren't very useful, as well as giving them different timers. You will still only be able to have one discipline going at a time
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*Flaash* how long will the play have to take advantage of an opening, and how will excessive server side Lag (elemental planes) handle this ?
We're still tuning it, but our goal is to make the strategy be in what skill you decide is best to use at the time, not in fast-reaction or twitch gameplay
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*Sabrosia* HOW will these openings be presented? for instance, will a new window open - and we click a button - will we have to issue a command?
There will be a UI indicator that pops up when you can activate an opening. And yes, you will be clicking a button as opposed to typing in a command. Once you activate the opening, that same window will show the opening effect.
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*Dranix* will jumping to negotiate obstacles or people remove from my endurance pool for combat and disciplines?
Jumping will drain a portion of your endurance yes, but it's a reltively minor amount.
relatively even.
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*Drewon-FoH* Will there be any new AA skills that are tied to, or create, these new melee abilities?
There will AA abilites that will effect the new system yes. We don't have a hard and fast list for it yet though.
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*Barney* it was mentioned some openings are available after certain skills go off, like parry. What about classes who do not have certain ablities. Like monks for example who lack parry.
For monks, it's based on dodge, block, and riposte. We're tuning the rate that they happen based on the skills each class has.
In addition to these melee changes, we have made a few others seperate from this. All warriors regardless of level will now mitigate a percentage of all incoming melee damage. Monk will also now be able to dodge when being hit from behind, this should aide thier pulling abilities.
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*Voldeth-BB* How will the new system affect a melee's role? Clearly it will support the tanking of a warrior, but what of the monk? What will their role be?
The melee skills aren't limited to the dps or defense of the player that uses it. There are debuffs and group affects as well. The goal with the skill sets is to provide more of a role for the pure melee during combat
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*VALBARR* it has been stated by rbarker that position wont affect the skills, but in the chat overview, it states that position can change the effectiveness of certain skills ?
The reference to the positional aspect in the doc on the website was an error. We're not going to have skills dependant on position.
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*Dakkon* how many moves are you planning to introduce?
We're planning on over 20 skills for each class to begin with and we'll be adding even more in the future.
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*KyrosKrane* I apologize if this was asked before; I missed the first half of the chat. Assuming an extended fight (e.g., Luclin bosses), how many openings per unit time could each player of an appropriate class expect?
We're still tuning it. We're looking at a few per fight, though. We're aiming for making each opening more important, not something that is making you hit an extra 20 keys a minute
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*Avelariel* Can we make absolutely clear, these openings are solely for warriors, rogues and monks? Unless that's not the case
Yes we're only adding the new opening system for warriors, rogues, and monks. The discipline system revamp will be for all classes that currently make use of disciplines though.
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*Woody_GU* How exactly does this re-establish balance? Why does this constitute a "fix"? And not a bandaid on top of a semi-broken existing system?
The new system is only one aspect of the melee revamp, there's several other changes in the works for them as well.
One of the major advantages of the new system is allowing us to more easily add new abilites to the pure melee classes.
There's several aspects of the existing system that are going to be adjusted, I'd keep an eye on test server if you're interested in more specifics.
And yes you can quote me on that, as long as you don't draw me with a bandana >
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*Arlos-LOS* If openings are tuned to block/dodge/riposte, what happens if we're not tanking? This would seem to be most applicable to monks & rogues. How do we activate the new abilities if we're, say, fighting a raid mob and doing DPS?
There are other events that trigger openings based on your regular attacks. If you're in a situation where you aren't tanking, you'll get more of those kinds of openings.
You have a chance to trigger an opening on any attack or special attack
NPC's also have a chance to "fumble," creating an opening that anyone fighting it can take advantage of
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*Layn* How will the new skills affect aggro if successfully used?
There's several new abilities planned that will effect aggro generation. Some might increase your aggro while others might lower it.
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*Adorae* just fix taunt? LOL
Saying that taunt is the one and only issue is fairly shortsighted, I think. Pure melee have very few strategic decisions to make, don't get new abilities with an expansion the way casters do, and don't get as much from an item with both hp and mana. These are all issues that people have raised, and this system gives us a way to address them.
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*Razorback* Will debuff disciplines stack, or will having more than one person using that make it a wasted use
It really depends on the debuff. Generally there will be enough differnt abilities you can take advantage of that you'll have several skills that will be useful even if you have several of the same class present.
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*faithcrusher* When an opening exxists, you will be offered more than one option? Like one that would be agressive in nature and one that would be defensive?
When you are presented with an opening, you will have to make a decision on what type of ability you want to use. There will be many per opening type. And there are a few opening types.
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*Depen_Hoss* Will class specific items be adjusted to add endurance, or will we need to look for new items?
We do plan on adding endurance stats onto existing items. We plan to have this done at the same time the new system is introduced next month (Dec. 16th).
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*Kilbane_luc* Will we have to buy a new expansion to use these skills too?
This is a free feature. It will become available to everyone!
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*Illydth* VERY important question: Since we have a chance to trigger a special attack with every attack, does it then mean that haste and dual wielding and double attacking means more "openings"?
More attacks will help a little, but in general they scale around delay
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*Aeria* Question, this sounds great and all and maybe I missed this point..but if the openings are part of our text..thats ok for groups but major raids where the text OFTEN becomes sluggish means we will miss the opertunity to strike...is there going to be a visual clue?
The opening is going to display on the UI - you won't have to watch your textbox for them
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*Aalek* Will the abilities have "cast" times? Can they be interrupted by the NPC? Can pure melee NPCs use the abilities against players?
No, skills, like bash, kick, and taunt, are instant.
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Another thing for warriors that some of you may have noticed on test is that you will now get a return message when taunt is used, so you will know if it was effective.
The taunt return message will be for everyone, not just Warriors.
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*Bumpper-Test* Will Taunt be increased for warriors?...Its a simple question that I know OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of warriors want to know
Yes, we're giving warriors skills to better gain and keep hate
We're not changing the way Taunt itself works. We're adding a new skill that doesn't require an opening, as well as others that do, to address the issue.
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Ended at 7:29 pm PST