Did you guys catch this? Richard Reid Shoe bomber...

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 18, 2003, 12:30 pm

Did you guys happen to catch the judge's closing statement to Richard Reid as he was being sentanced?

Reid had said he was guilty of trying to blow up passenger plane by lighting his plastic explosive laced shoe. He said he was a soldier of Islam fighting a war against the Americans etc.

Anyway the Judge would have none of it and made a quite a firebrand of a response.

http://windsofchange.net/archives/003845.html

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 18, 2003, 12:41 pm

I can tell by the way his frontal lobes pulsate that that judge is a racist.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 18, 2003, 1:01 pm

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 18, 2003, 1:02 pm

Either that or the judge was peforming for the press.

Post by **Sylvus** » November 18, 2003, 2:25 pm

That was the abridged version of his closing remarks, the original also included:

God has a hard on for [Americans], because we kill everything we see. He plays His games, we play ours. To show our appreciation for so much power, we keep heaven packed with fresh souls. God was here before the [United States], so you can give your heart to Jesus, but your ass belongs to the [country]!

I'll bet you're the kind of guy that would fuck a person in the ass and not even have the goddam common courtesy to give him a reach-around! I'll be watching you!

[Richard Reid], I'm gonna give you three seconds, exactly three fuckin' seconds, to wipe that stupid lookin' grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull fuck you!

US District Court Judge Young: Mr. Reid, do you believe in the Virgin Mary?
Richard C. Reid: Sir, no sir!
US District Court Judge Young: Well Mr. Reid, I don't believe I heard you correctly!
Richard C. Reid: Sir, the private said "no sir," sir!
US District Court Judge Young: Why you little maggot, you make me want to vomit!
[Slaps Reid]
US District Court Judge Young: You goddamned communist heathen, you had best sound off that you love the Virgin Mary, or I'm gonna stomp your guts out!

I took the liberty of replacing some of his words with what he really meant!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 18, 2003, 2:35 pm

1-800-SHOE

Al Bundy's job is safe with the Shoe bomber in jail for life.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » November 18, 2003, 2:39 pm

I'm sure you could of worked the choking thing into that post too
god i love that movie, was on last night

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » November 18, 2003, 2:44 pm

Anyone stupid enough to repeat the hating freedom crap needs to be disbarred.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 18, 2003, 3:04 pm

And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you. But as I search this entire record it comes as close to understanding as I know. It seems to me you hate the one thing that is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, and to believe or not believe as we individually choose.

What a bunch of horse shit.

Most of the USA buys it too!

Post by **Xouqoa** » November 18, 2003, 3:36 pm

let's roll?

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » November 18, 2003, 4:04 pm

kirby says xou's your new avatar is seizure inducing

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(1 sentence and i messed it up... ffs)

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 18, 2003, 4:04 pm

Can someone tell me where this whole theory that Islamic extresmists hate us because we are free came from? Seriously, spell it out for me, because I dont see it.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » November 18, 2003, 4:39 pm

Skogen wrote:Can someone tell me where this whole theory that Islamic extresmists hate us because we are free came from? Seriously, spell it out for me, because I dont see it.

Well, many of these extremist's propoganda and beliefs are that the world should become Muslim. If that happens and they have the fundies in power, obviously it'll be less free (think Taliban...).

However I think most Terrorist organizations are not after something so grand as that. I think the heart of what they really want is money/power. They want to sell their drugs...Sure, Fundamentalism and Islam may be their propoganda, but drugs is really their motive.

So probably saying they hate Freedom is definitely stretching it, but not totally off base...

-=Lohrno

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 18, 2003, 4:56 pm

Skogen wrote:Can someone tell me where this whole theory that Islamic extresmists hate us because we are free came from? Seriously, spell it out for me, because I dont see it.

The other option is to stop denying the fact they hate the US because of decades of financial and political manipulation, selling them guns so they can kill each other and using the money to train more of them to kill each other to meet your own shady political agenda, propping up and supporting israel no matter what they do, installing and supporting dictators, and dropping sattelite guided bombs on them when your president gets his knob polished in the oval office.

Actually admitting that the US may be at fault for the extreme negative reaction they get from the middle east would probably blow up the universe though. So instead of taking a serious look at why they have such a hard on for killing americans, you can just say "oh well they hate us because we have freedom and liberty and they don't" and go back to subjugating and killing them wholesale.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 18, 2003, 5:01 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Skogen wrote:Can someone tell me where this whole theory that Islamic extresmists hate us because we are free came from? Seriously, spell it out for me, because I dont see it.
The other option is to stop denying the fact they hate the US because of decades of financial and political manipulation, selling them guns so they can kill each other and using the money to train more of them to kill each other to meet your own shady political agenda, propping up and supporting israel no matter what they do, installing and supporting dictators, and dropping sattelite guided bombs on them when your president gets his knob polished in the oval office.

Actually admitting that the US may be at fault for the extreme negative reaction they get from the middle east would probably blow up the universe though. So instead of taking a serious look at why they have such a hard on for killing americans, you can just say "oh well they hate us because we have freedom and liberty and they don't" and go back to subjugating and killing them wholesale.

I don't deny this. I whole-heartedly believe it. You're preaching to the choir!

It's the "hate us because we are free" shit I don't get.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 18, 2003, 5:15 pm

Because it is an excuse as to why they would attack you without having to admit the real reason. What is Bush going to say? "Yeah we fucked up big time and are probably reaping what we've sown now." Of course not. America is free and just and does no wrong.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 18, 2003, 5:47 pm

The US is partially at fault, we should let them kill each other and not take sides.

Of course that would piss off the liberals and the conservatives.

Oh yeah and BTW Muslim fanatics by definition follow teachings that beleive that being tolerant is a sign of failed belief, so yes, they do kill Americans since they beleive us all to be sinners. Not that there are not other reasons but time and time again they do not say "We kill you for being an interfering dog" they say "We kill you for being the great Satan"

Of course this post is fact, and therefore Kyoukan will just attack it's author or lie blantantly, sigh.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 18, 2003, 6:04 pm

kyoukan wrote:Because it is an excuse as to why they would attack you without having to admit the real reason. What is Bush going to say? "Yeah we fucked up big time and are probably reaping what we've sown now." Of course not. America is free and just and does no wrong.

I believe Bush did say that in a speech last week. Here is the link in case your daily rage vs Krimson sparks and you want to start showing off your quick wit with semantics.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/990354.asp?0sl=-12

And he acknowledged shortcomings in past policy, saying the United States and other nations shared blame for the lack of democratic freedoms in the Middle East.
“Sixty years of Western nations excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe, because in the long run stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty,” Bush said Thursday.

Anything else I can prove you wrong on today, or is this enough? Ok, thought so. I don't support Bush's middle east policy, so don't bother with that one. I am just calling your bluff.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 18, 2003, 6:11 pm

And he acknowledged shortcomings in past policy, saying the United States and other nations shared blame for the lack of democratic freedoms in the Middle East.
“Sixty years of Western nations excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe, because in the long run stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty,” Bush said Thursday.

There was a lack of freedom when the middle east was part of the Ottoman Empire. Our country not securing their freedom has nothing to do with it. DO you really feel they want a western style democracy & freedom. Uh, no.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 18, 2003, 6:14 pm

Course not. They want democracy and freedom, but just not western style. It really does not fit into the entire middle eastern culture of monarchies however, so theres the rub.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 18, 2003, 6:22 pm

Yes admitting that the US may be sorta partially kind of at fault for not forcing democracy on the middle east 60 years ago is exactly tantamount to admitting that the US has been economically and militarily manipulating the region since the end of world war one, as well as making a mockery of the fundamentals of their faith and murdering them. Wow dude u rilly owned me again.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » November 18, 2003, 6:32 pm

Yes, left to their own devices, middle eastern cultures trend toward benevolence and freedom.

One has only to look at the attitude towards women to see that the Great Satan is the cause of all troubles in the region.

What planet do you live on again?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 18, 2003, 6:39 pm

Exactly so, because I clearly stated right there in my post that the united states was solely and 100% responsible for the deplorable condition middle eastern cultures are in right now.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 18, 2003, 6:41 pm

Skogen wrote:
And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you. But as I search this entire record it comes as close to understanding as I know. It seems to me you hate the one thing that is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, and to believe or not believe as we individually choose.
What a bunch of horse shit.

Most of the USA buys it too!

Lol! Did the judge just get back from watching the Matrix or something?

Rough quote:
Why do you still fight Mr. Andersen?

Because I choose to!

wtf evar.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 18, 2003, 6:43 pm

-US needs oil
-arabs don't have clue about oil
-US shows them how to get oil
-arabs get rich
-arabs now have lots of cash to buy weapons and such
-israel smart, jews have been getting slaughtered and are resolved to defend themselves
-arabs think they can kick ass with their new weapons
-isreal beats the holy crap out of them
-US still needs oil
-arabs pissed US gives Israel weapons but they don't realize we'll sell almost anyone weapons if they brown nose us
-godless arabs hate the US which gave them a way to make tons of cash. arabs too stupid to make good use of their newfound cash and blow it on weapons which they don't know how to use.

Give those fuckers some X-Boxes and Playstations to keep them occupied.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » November 18, 2003, 6:56 pm

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masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 18, 2003, 6:57 pm

kyoukan wrote:Yes admitting that the US may be sorta partially kind of at fault for not forcing democracy on the middle east 60 years ago is exactly tantamount to admitting that the US has been economically and militarily manipulating the region since the end of world war one, as well as making a mockery of the fundamentals of their faith and murdering them. Wow dude u rilly owned me again.

It's not like we forced the Saudi royalty to take our money and guns. They were fighting a war and chose to sell us that precious crude for a massive edge over their enemies. During the Cold War, we did whatever was necessary to prevent the USSR cutting us off from the supply. I'm not saying it was right, but without the oil, this country wouldn't be anything more than South Canada.

Besides, any faith that outlaws beer and boobies deserves every ounce of ridicule that gets heaped upon it.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » November 18, 2003, 7:13 pm

I think you guys are getting mixed up between extremeist and Muslims in general. I know a lot of Muslims who aren't extremeist, they do want freedom, democracy etc... we just differ in our Religious views. But to me an extremeist Muslim would be akin to any other religious zealot, just like the Christian Zealots 1000 years or so ago that killed many Muslims (terroristically?... maybe). That being the case they don't want freedom, freedom of thought, choice or anything because people aren't smart enough to choose. They should be bound by religion and religion only, no choice. The fact that Islam in general has so many rules is because not having them or have very few, as Jesus put forth, "didn't work." Thus people being able to choose to not follow those rules doesn't make sense.

Marb

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 18, 2003, 7:20 pm

masteen wrote:
kyoukan wrote:Yes admitting that the US may be sorta partially kind of at fault for not forcing democracy on the middle east 60 years ago is exactly tantamount to admitting that the US has been economically and militarily manipulating the region since the end of world war one, as well as making a mockery of the fundamentals of their faith and murdering them. Wow dude u rilly owned me again.
It's not like we forced the Saudi royalty to take our money and guns. They were fighting a war and chose to sell us that precious crude for a massive edge over their enemies. During the Cold War, we did whatever was necessary to prevent the USSR cutting us off from the supply. I'm not saying it was right, but without the oil, this country wouldn't be anything more than South Canada.

Besides, any faith that outlaws beer and boobies deserves every ounce of ridicule that gets heaped upon it.

BOOBIES!!!
Makes me think of Nikki Cox

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » November 18, 2003, 7:27 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:
because in the long run stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty,” Bush said Thursday.

I find that extremely Ironic with regard to domestic policy.

-=Lohrno

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 18, 2003, 7:35 pm

Lohrno wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:
because in the long run stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty,” Bush said Thursday.

I find that extremely Ironic with regard to domestic policy.

-=Lohrno

Yeah, but how 'bout them breasts on Nikki Cox!? HURRAJ FOR BOOBIES!11!

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » November 18, 2003, 7:38 pm

Oh yeah and BTW Muslim fanatics by definition follow teachings that beleive that being tolerant is a sign of failed belief, so yes, they do kill Americans since they beleive us all to be sinners. Not that there are not other reasons but time and time again they do not say "We kill you for being an interfering dog" they say "We kill you for being the great Satan"

Muslim fanatics aren't the only ones who think that way... read/listen to the Christian Fundies lately? Mr's Robertson and Falwell et al aren't any better.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » November 18, 2003, 7:39 pm

Wulfran wrote: Muslim fanatics aren't the only ones who think that way... read/listen to the Christian Fundies lately? Mr's Robertson and Falwell et al aren't any better.

Yes, and when they make the news, we tear them down too.

Silvarel Mistmoon · November 18, 2003, 11:26 pm

Exactly so, because I clearly stated right there in my post that the united states was solely and 100% responsible for the deplorable condition middle eastern cultures are in right now.

Ok are you being sarcastic or are you serious in this thinking? And if you are serious then please post some links to some history sites so I can go read up on this proof.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 18, 2003, 11:56 pm

oh god

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 19, 2003, 10:10 am

Wulfran wrote:
Oh yeah and BTW Muslim fanatics by definition follow teachings that beleive that being tolerant is a sign of failed belief, so yes, they do kill Americans since they beleive us all to be sinners. Not that there are not other reasons but time and time again they do not say "We kill you for being an interfering dog" they say "We kill you for being the great Satan"
Muslim fanatics aren't the only ones who think that way... read/listen to the Christian Fundies lately? Mr's Robertson and Falwell et al aren't any better.

The next time Robertson or Falwell train, fund, and instruct someone to crash a plane into a building, then you may bash Christians as being fanatical nutbags. Currently they are nothing more than overzealous greedy fucksticks. If you cannot see a difference between Muslim extremists and any other current religion's extremists, then you may have a slight perception problem. I can think of none that teach you to kill anyone that does not conform to your religion.

Burke · Post by **Burke** » November 19, 2003, 11:04 am

If you cannot see a difference between Muslim extremists and any other current religion's extremists, then you may have a slight perception problem. I can think of none that teach you to kill anyone that does not conform to your religion.

Zealotry is color/race/religion -blind. There are plenty of zealots in this country, see the women's clinic bombers, abortion doctor killers, kansas folk who punish cookie takers with binding and gagging,... Jim Jones was a citizen right?

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 19, 2003, 12:39 pm

Jerry Falwell
Pat Robertson
Osama Bin Laden

All claim to believe in a god. All proclaim their god to be "The God". All profess that those who do not agree with their beliefs are infidels, utterly wrong and condemned to hell, all three are clueless morons.

But only one plans to murder people at every opportunity. That is the only difference.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 19, 2003, 12:48 pm

I thought all three religions (muslim, christian, judaism) believed in the same god, only different messengers basically. All believe to be descendants of Abraham right?

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 19, 2003, 1:12 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:I thought all three religions (muslim, christian, judaism) believed in the same god, only different messengers basically. All believe to be descendants of Abraham right?

Yes.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 19, 2003, 1:28 pm

Of course Christains think that Islam is a confusion attempt by Satan to get God seeking people off course.

And I'm sure Jewish folk see Christains as God seeking folk that got pulled off course by some confusion over what a real messiah looks like.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » November 19, 2003, 1:37 pm

Yes... but the Jews and Christians believe they decended for Isaac while the Arab nations tend (not all of them) to be considered decendants of Ishmael.

Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Gen 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Gen 17:22 And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.

Gen 17:23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.

From a Historical perspective though it's interesting to note the part about "I'll make him great but he won't get the convenant." and that this is written in the book of the decendants of the other decendants.

Marb

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 19, 2003, 1:45 pm

I'd love to see some Koran references to this topic.

Does it for instance mention Abraham's sacrifice story?