USA a country of choice

Taly · Post by **Taly** » November 13, 2003, 1:36 am

Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we
continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other
countries that came to live in America because it is the Country of
Choice???????? Think about it........

All I have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS? I
celebrate Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone, we
can no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's
Greetings. It's not Christmas vacation, it's Winter Break. Isn't it
amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas
holiday?? We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not
offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that no one
has a problem with that.

This says it all!

After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a
Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face
covered this is an editorial written by an American citizen, published
in a Tampa newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation
worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their
culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced
a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust
from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct"
crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was
offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge
against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our
population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants.
However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This
idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to
dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we
have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own
lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of
struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have
sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part
of our society, learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian,
right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian
men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this
is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on
the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you
consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is
part of our culture.

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you
should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We
are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR
COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every!
citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every
opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and
griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of
life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great
American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » November 13, 2003, 1:48 am

This one written by Robin Williams as well?

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » November 13, 2003, 1:49 am

Taly wrote: "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian,
right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian
men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this
is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on
the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you
consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is
part of our culture.

I disagree. Government should be completely neutral about religion. While it's true that Christians founded the country, the same Christians wanted Government and Religion to have nothing to do with eachother. This is also well documented. That doesn't mean people in general shouldn't have the right to put a Nativity Scene on their lawns...Just the government shouldn't do it.

Otherwise yes I agree with you. But, you can say Merry Christmas all you want. It's just that someone might take offence. Well, I say if they do, screw em.

You were just trying to show a little goddamned holiday cheer.

America should never support any one culture over an other. Whether you do or not, people should leave you alone for it.

-=Lohrno

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 13, 2003, 2:03 am

Tonight on VV: White trash rage.

Drolgin Steingrinder · November 13, 2003, 2:06 am

yeah...right

Bring us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses yearning to breethe free - as long as they GO TO THE SAME DAMN CHURCH I DO, DURNIT!

That article is one of the most hypocritical things I've seen in a long damn time.

Has political correctness gone too far? Yeah, maybe to some extent it has. But freedom of religion is far more important than protecting christianity (whatever the hell that means).

"If God offends you"? Oh booh-frigging-hoo.

Jesus Christ. Literally.

Post by **Xouqoa** » November 13, 2003, 2:23 am

how bout... noooooo!

noel · Post by **noel** » November 13, 2003, 2:52 am

I'm curious how this post qualifies as either current, or an event. There's nothing new about the christian party line, and there's no event either.

Kyoukan said it best.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 13, 2003, 3:15 am

Ah the revision of history continues.

Damn those Christians. Have we twisted things enough so we can call them "evil" yet?

Short sighted, judgmental, uncaring, holier-than-thou bastards.

America was founded by deists dammit, no wait they were agnostics, well they *really* were atheists.

There's no right and wrong, it's all gray, so why not "redefine" the truth to suit our personal wants?

There's no accountability, I dismiss the idea of Hell and God and judgment and all that crap. It's just a shackle that keeps me from fucking my sister. It's not wrong; I'm just following what my feelings tell me to. It's how I was born. Why should I deny my genetics?

Who are you to judge? Quit forcing your morality on me. Your laws have no bearing. Our founding father's understood that because they were staunch atheists trying to come free from under all that Christian morality crap.

If I can't control it, I reject it! Don't shackle me! I will not control my desires. What I'm hurting society? Like I give a damn. You can't prove it! All that matters is me. I am God.

..................

Civility erodes as if bound by entropy.

We erode as a people. We have not learned the lesson of history and fallen nations. We hasten our fall for the sake of harmful self indulgences.

Let us redefine our history, so we don't feel guilty as we fall.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » November 13, 2003, 3:33 am

Being critical of things your government is doing does not = hating the country. The most important part of out constitution is that US citizens(thats immigrants too btw) have the rights to speak what they believe and the right to get things changed when they feel there is something wrong with their country's ways. I love my country enough to question what it does, to help it become a better place for everyone, thats truely loving your country.

Blindly agreeing with every action your country makes is not patriotic. Questioning things that are unjust and making it a better place for its citizens and for the world as a whole is true patriotism.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » November 13, 2003, 3:37 am

Adex_Xeda wrote:Sarcastic rhetoric, sarcastic rhetoric, etc...

Look, this is America pal. We are intended to be a country of warmth, understanding, and justice. We are intended to be accepting of all peoples.

Ethics are one's personal choice, and that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. You may say I am unethical, but what would someone else entirely say about you?

Not endorsing a Religion is not the same as a doctrine of getting rid of ethics entirely. Christian ethics are not the only kind of ethics. =P Nonetheless our system does support some of the basic Christian ethics, but I'd say those are akin to most religions. Stealing and Murdering are bad. But beyond the very basics, it is, and should always be a personal issue. The government has nothing to do with it.

-=Lohrno

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » November 13, 2003, 3:38 am

Keverian FireCry wrote:Blindly agreeing with every action your country makes is not patriotic. Questioning things that are unjust and making it a better place for its citizens and for the world as a whole is true patriotism.

Yes. Very true.

-=Lohrno

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » November 13, 2003, 7:44 am

Lohrno wrote:
Adex_Xeda wrote:Sarcastic rhetoric, sarcastic rhetoric, etc...
Look, this is America pal. We are intended to be a country of warmth, understanding, and justice. We are intended to be accepting of all peoples.
-=Lohrno

Except Christians right?

Aranuil wrote:I'm curious how this post qualifies as either current, or an event. There's nothing new about the christian party line, and there's no event either.

Kyoukan said it best.

This from the guy who posts about a campaign to laud the beauty of the much maligned brown bean? And then decries the news agency that reported on it.

kyoukan wrote:Tonight on VV: White trash rage.

Yes Kyoukan it is a white trash rant because there are no christians from other races. It is wrong for people to be upset when they see their traditions being trampled on and outlawed right?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 13, 2003, 7:51 am

Lohrno wrote:
Adex_Xeda wrote:
Sarcastic rhetoric, sarcastic rhetoric, etc...

Look, this is America pal. We are intended to be a country of warmth, understanding, and justice. We are intended to be accepting of all peoples.
-=Lohrno

Except Christians right?

No, dick.

Aranuil wrote:
I'm curious how this post qualifies as either current, or an event. There's nothing new about the christian party line, and there's no event either.

Kyoukan said it best.

This from the guy who posts about a campaign to laud the beauty of the much maligned brown bean? And then decries the news agency that reported on it.

Irrelevant ad hominem attack.

kyoukan wrote:
Tonight on VV: White trash rage.

Yes Kyoukan it is a white trash rant because there are no christians from other races. It is wrong for people to be upset when they see their traditions being trampled on and outlawed right?

Kyou is talking about Taly not about Christians. Your Founding Fathers went to great lengths to separate church and state and the only revisionism going on is the lie that the US was founded as a Great Christian Republic.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » November 13, 2003, 8:44 am

Taly wrote: "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian,
right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian
men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this
is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on
the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you
consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is
part of our culture.

.

yes it is

oh and btw, not every american is a christian that celebrates chrismas, join the KKK or move to miss-sippi, im sure they share the same mentallity as you do

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » November 13, 2003, 9:56 am

Doubt that's Taly's personal feelings, but that's one of those wonderful "chain" emails that has gone around lately. Maybe it touched a part of her somewhere, but all of the bitchin' at her for "writing" it is stupid. Posting it here was a wee bit silly as Kyou said though. It's a chain mail that someone sent you...sent you...sent YOU. You don't HAVE to share it with 15 other people like the message might tell you.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » November 13, 2003, 10:23 am

Adex_Xeda wrote:Ah the revision of history continues.

Damn those Christians. Have we twisted things enough so we can call them "evil" yet?

Short sighted, judgmental, uncaring, holier-than-thou bastards.

America was founded by deists dammit, no wait they were agnostics, well they *really* were atheists.

There's no right and wrong, it's all gray, so why not "redefine" the truth to suit our personal wants?

There's no accountability, I dismiss the idea of Hell and God and judgment and all that crap. It's just a shackle that keeps me from fucking my sister. It's not wrong; I'm just following what my feelings tell me to. It's how I was born. Why should I deny my genetics?

Who are you to judge? Quit forcing your morality on me. Your laws have no bearing. Our founding father's understood that because they were staunch atheists trying to come free from under all that Christian morality crap.

If I can't control it, I reject it! Don't shackle me! I will not control my desires. What I'm hurting society? Like I give a damn. You can't prove it! All that matters is me. I am God.

..................

Civility erodes as if bound by entropy.

We erode as a people. We have not learned the lesson of history and fallen nations. We hasten our fall for the sake of harmful self indulgences.

Let us redefine our history, so we don't feel guilty as we fall.

You fall off the wagon recently?

Seriously, what the hell was all of that crap? I'm particularly curious as to why you feel that anyone said this country wasn't founded by christians since you feel we "revised" history.

All of that garbage was the "love it or leave it" bullshit that's been sent before. I'm not particularly sure why this rant of ignorance is even in the current events forum

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 13, 2003, 10:46 am

Nah,

It was a word experiment. There's an attitude I see in our culture today that I can't quite put into words.

So, I assumed the attitude from an emotional level and just let the words flow out.

Call it an raw experiment in unfiltered expression.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 13, 2003, 11:22 am

"All I have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS? I
celebrate Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone, we
can no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's
Greetings. It's not Christmas vacation, it's Winter Break. Isn't it
amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas
holiday?? We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not
offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that no one
has a problem with that."

You can still Say Merry Christmas if YOU want to but other people can say Seasons Greetings if they want to. Its called freedom of choice.

"IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation
worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their
culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced
a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust
from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct"
crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was
offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge
against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our
population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants.
However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This
idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to
dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we
have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own
lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of
struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have
sought freedom. "

Most immigrants adapt more then you can think Just imaging how a devot Muslim man thinks when a girl walks by in a thong bikini, He adapted other wise the girl would be stoned.

"We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part
of our society, learn the language! "

This I agree with to a point, People can speak any launguage they want I just dont think the Govt. should spend money to accomidate it.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 13, 2003, 11:27 am

I wonder what is the most efficient language out there?

Which language has the most consistant rules and fewest exceptions.

Which language is easiest to learn?

Hell, if we're all into unifying language I question if english is the best choice.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 13, 2003, 11:56 am

the whole concept that we have to protect English is absurd.

Seriously try to get a job that is substantially better than mowing peoples' lawns without speaking English. I have never seen a television show on a major network that wasnt in English (i even lived in Miami for 4 years). oh nos at K-Mart most people spoke Spanish. I played in a baseball league and the games were conducted in Spanish...oh nos, how did i ever survive?!? Amazingly it is actually fun and interesting to learn about other cultures.

but the bottom line is the reason people speak English in all corners of the World is because it is economically advantageous to do business with the West, and more specifically the United States. You will not find corporations in Malaysia writing their prospectus in Spanish to attract investers.

For fucks sake you see pictures of these rebels in Africa and they have machine guns in their hands and fucking Nike t-shirts and NY Yankees baseball caps on. They don't wear Chesperito t-shirts. English will be the language the entire world speaks going forward. The internet alone may be the biggest force behind that. Lucky for us, Cantonese doesnt fit on a keyboard very well

just as an aside to your question Adex, i think Spanish is easier to learn than English, and in my opinion is a very streamlined language. Subject pronouns are not required in the sentence, and all the letters only have one sound (dipthongs excepted), which is one of the confusing things about english, is that some words aren't spoken at all the way they appear to be written etc.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 13, 2003, 12:07 pm

Did they really let that woman keep her veil on for her DL photo?

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » November 13, 2003, 12:22 pm

Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we
continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other
countries that came to live in America because it is the Country of
Choice???????? Think about it........

All I have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS? I
celebrate Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone, we
can no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's
Greetings. It's not Christmas vacation, it's Winter Break. Isn't it
amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas
holiday?? We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not
offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that no one
has a problem with that.

The government is supposed to be neutral toward religion, so their is justification for it to try not to promote a specific religion. As a private individual you are free to say Merry Christmas if you like.

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation
worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their
culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced
a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust
from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct"
crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was
offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge
against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our
population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants.
However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This
idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to
dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we
have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own
lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of
struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have
sought freedom.

Our culture borrows from the various immigrants that have come here throughout its history. Any particular reason why we should try to declare the current mix is "the" american culture protected from all influence? Not that you could, even if you stopped all immigration.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part
of our society, learn the language!

Knowing english is a good thing for immigrants, not from trying to preserve a national language or cultural identity though but just because it is the language that most of the business gets done here (particularly the higher paying jobs). There is a lot more opportunity if you know english.

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian,
right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian
men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this
is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on
the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you
consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is
part of our culture.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The Constitution, the document that is the basis of our nation specifically states that citizens have the right to exercise whatever religious preference they so desire. As Jefferson pointed out ...

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. – Thomas Jefferson (1781)

By the way, "In God we Trust" didn't show up on our money until 1864. It wasn't adopted as a national motto until 1956. Given the constitution's clear indication that government is not supposed to interfere in religion, I am not fond of it as a national motto.

The author of the piece might also want to look to the motto of the great seal of the United States, which does actually date back to the shortly after the founding of the country (1782). "E. Pluribus Unum" out of many, one.

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you
should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We
are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR
COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every!
citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every
opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and
griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of
life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great
American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

I love this country. But that doesn't mean I think its perfect, or above criticism. Look at the second part of the first amendent again "... or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.". Once again pretty clearly stating that the ability to criticize is a fundamental right of citizens of this country.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » November 13, 2003, 12:24 pm

Strip the religion crap outta there and I could almost agree with the original post.

I find it utterly ridiculous how far the American culture bends over to accomodate those who immigrate here.

Then again, America wouldn't be what it is without immigration, so....

Ennia · Post by **Ennia** » November 13, 2003, 12:31 pm

As Americans, we
have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own
lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of
struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have
sought freedom.

and might I add it is still being developed?

chain letters or e-mails are such a trash, what's scary though is a lot of people believe every word written there

Taly · Post by **Taly** » November 13, 2003, 1:20 pm

Aranuil wrote:I'm curious how this post qualifies as either current, or an event. There's nothing new about the christian party line, and there's no event either.

Well it didnt really fit in general either so i thought it best here.

I don't personally agree with it all. The religion crap is something I don't care for. Some of the other things I do agree with.

Yes it was a chain letter but with who sent it to me is the only reason why I posted it. (no Kyo wasn't Robin williams. BARNEY wrote it

)

Post by **Sylvus** » November 13, 2003, 1:36 pm

ROFLMAO

/vomit

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 13, 2003, 1:41 pm

They let her cover her face on her drivers license!!?? I lost track of this story, and when I last heard, they wouldn't do it. Now they decided to let her!? Fuck that. No picture for positive ID, no drivers license.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 13, 2003, 1:44 pm

yeah that is crazy.

if you dont want to show your face, you dont get to drive. tough shit.

It is against my religion to pay income tax!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 13, 2003, 1:59 pm

I checked on that DL issue, and I believe that it's still in the courts. Charlie Crist (FL Attourney General) is on it like a hobo on a ham sammich and looks prepared to take it to the wall if the ACLU (who is providing Veil Woman's lawyer).

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 13, 2003, 2:12 pm

What if she wins, and they let her keep her covered face on her picture. Imagine the signal this could send to any potential terrorist as a great way to circumvent identification to aid whatever plan/activity they might have going.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » November 13, 2003, 2:18 pm

Yeah, that's one of the few cases where I think the ACLU is out of line. Driving is a privledge, not a right.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » November 13, 2003, 2:43 pm

I agree with Toshira

Rivera Bladestrike · November 13, 2003, 5:47 pm

I want to wear a hat, some glasses, a fake mustache, a fake highly visible scar, and some contacts that make my eyes brown for my liscense picture.

While they're at it, I'll ask them to change the name to Ralph Bensonmum and my age to 46.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » November 13, 2003, 5:57 pm

This post makes me want to destroy the world.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » November 13, 2003, 6:57 pm

No, just humans!

Drolgin Steingrinder · November 13, 2003, 7:09 pm

chmee wins!

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » November 13, 2003, 7:23 pm

Feliz Navidad!

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » November 13, 2003, 7:54 pm

Jesus, was me that said Robin Williams, not Kyoukan. You really are a special ed case.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » November 13, 2003, 9:26 pm

hahahaha sylvus

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » November 14, 2003, 1:08 pm

Yeah, ummm, I can't come into work today, religious holiday. What? Oh it's the feast of.... maximum occupancy, bye.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » November 14, 2003, 2:20 pm

Your Founding Fathers went to great lengths to separate church and state and the only revisionism going on is the lie that the US was founded as a Great Christian Republic.

Tanc please don't talk to toker as if he is an American. Although I realize that there are millions upon millions of moronic Americans out there, you are insulting each and every one of them when you talk to this wannabe backseat cheerleader as if there's a drop of american blood in his body.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » November 14, 2003, 2:54 pm

Xyun wrote:
Your Founding Fathers went to great lengths to separate church and state and the only revisionism going on is the lie that the US was founded as a Great Christian Republic.
Tanc please don't talk to toker as if he is an American. Although I realize that there are millions upon millions of moronic Americans out there, you are insulting each and every one of them when you talk to this wannabe backseat cheerleader as if there's a drop of american blood in his body.

How much of your blood is American eh?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 14, 2003, 2:58 pm

Last time I checked Canada was part of America

But yes, point taken. Soz.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 14, 2003, 3:28 pm

To bad we all don't live close together. I think we'd have a blast on a friday night at the local pub.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » November 14, 2003, 3:36 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:Last time I checked Canada was part of America

noel · Post by **noel** » November 14, 2003, 3:50 pm

Forthe wrote:
vn_Tanc wrote:Last time I checked Canada was part of America

Don't worry Forthe. Last time I checked, Britain was far more a part of America than Canada.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » November 14, 2003, 4:27 pm

"America" being the conglomeration of the two continents, North and South, QED Canada and the USA are both part of "America".

However, Canada is not a part of the United States of America. A small point to be sure!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 14, 2003, 4:54 pm

Xyun wrote:Tanc please don't talk to toker as if he is an American. Although I realize that there are millions upon millions of moronic Americans out there, you are insulting each and every one of them when you talk to this wannabe backseat cheerleader as if there's a drop of american blood in his body.

He certainly isn't a fucking canadian. We don't want him.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 14, 2003, 5:01 pm

Unless he starts touring here with Bryan Adams, he is all yours.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » November 14, 2003, 5:11 pm

Toshira wrote:Yeah, that's one of the few cases where I think the ACLU is out of line. Driving is a privledge, not a right.

I do and always have disagreed with driving being a privlege. I pay for a car. I pay taxes for that car. I pay for a license. I pay for a registration. I pay for the taxes of those. I pay for insurance. I pay for gas. I pay taxes for gas. I pay taxes for the roads. I pay taxes for the police. I pay taxes for everything else related to driving and owning a vehicle.

I don't have a choice as to whether to do any of those. Sure a few go away if I don't have a car, but even then I'm still paying for the roads, the police, etc. If I can't drive, I shouldn't have to pay for anything related to it. But since I do, I have the right to drive.

And yes, if I fuck up and abuse my driving ability I can lose the freedom to do that. Just like if someone fucks up with a gun, they lose the freedom to do that. Or if someone fucks up with their children, they lose them.

When it becomes a privledge instead of a right to have children, then we'll talk about driving being a right or privledge.

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