Another Abrams taken out

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 4, 2003, 2:11 pm

http://www.armytimes.com/print.php?f=1- ... 336437.php

Very strange.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 4, 2003, 2:18 pm

But Tanks are invulnerable and no tank should dare take on anyone on foot because they might be a civilian cameraman.

At least according to Kyoukan

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 4, 2003, 2:22 pm

Panzerfaust.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 4, 2003, 2:24 pm

I have been trying to figure out where this weapon could have come from. To take out an Abrams with such a small signature is very high tech I would think.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 4, 2003, 2:29 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:I have been trying to figure out where this weapon could have come from. To take out an Abrams with such a small signature is very high tech I would think.

I don't understand the projectile that entered the tank part of the equation. From what I understand on hollow charge AT rounds, they focus the energy of the charge onto a very small area, and basically just burn a hole through the armor, and then the explosion carries on inside the vehicle. They are describing what sounds more like some sort of SABOT round, and actual hard projectile entering the hull. Am I missing something?

Morgrym · Post by **Morgrym** » November 4, 2003, 2:30 pm

http://www.socexpo.com/videos/javelinvs ... e0001.html

Javelin Live fire test vs a T72. Nice little interesting video.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 4, 2003, 2:31 pm

I don't think an explosion actually happens inside the vehicle, just a jet stream of fire like a blow torch boring through the armor which cooks the tank from the inside out.

You know what it is sounding like? A gauss round. Wow, I bet I am onto something.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » November 4, 2003, 2:39 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:I don't think an explosion actually happens inside the vehicle, just a jet stream of fire like a blow torch boring through the armor which cooks the tank from the inside out.

You know what it is sounding like? A gauss round. Wow, I bet I am onto something.

That's what I meant. Once the hole is created, the tremendous pressure blows through the newly-formed hole in the armor. The effect inside the confines of the vehicle is pretty harsh.

Yes, it sounds very much like a gauss gun!

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 4, 2003, 2:55 pm

While it's impossible to determine what caused the damage without actually examining the tank, some conclusions can be drawn from photos that accompanied the incident report. Those photos show a pencil-size penetration hole through the tank body, but very little sign of the distinctive damage -- called spalling -- that typically occurs on the inside surface after a hollow- or shaped-charge warhead from an anti-tank weapon burns its way through armor.

Spalling results when an armor penetrator pushes a stream of molten metal ahead of it as it bores through an armored vehicle's protective skin.

I think we can rule out that it was the Jackal!

http://64.58.47.63/Movies/Jackal/cannon.wav

Crav · Post by **Crav** » November 4, 2003, 3:49 pm

The javelin video was nice, also liked the AC130 Spectre video on that site. Man would suck to have been the guy they were chasing there, they dropped enough munitions on him to level a few buildings.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 4, 2003, 5:34 pm

IRAQIS WITH FRICKIN' LASER BEAMS ATTACHED TO THEIR HEADS!!!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 4, 2003, 5:43 pm

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The well-known RPG-7 has been the scourge of lightly armored vehicles since its introduction more than 40 years ago. Its hollow-charge warhead easily could punch through an M1’s skirt and the relatively thin armor of its armpit joint, the area above the tracks and beneath the deck on which the turret sits,

Good to know. Everyone taking notes?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 4, 2003, 5:43 pm

rofl nice masteen.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 4, 2003, 7:47 pm

Bring on the spall!

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 5, 2003, 9:47 am

It's OBVIOUSLY the US techs testing new toys on their own people. How else could they hit the tank in the exact spot to cripple it, not kill anyone and it be a weapon nobody has seen before? Saddam's secret Weapons Of Tank Destruction program? I THINK NOT!