Hooray for soviet style propaganda in schools!

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » October 24, 2003, 10:44 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/10 ... index.html

The Motion Picture Association of America paid $100,000 to deliver its anti-piracy message to 900,000 students nationwide in grades 5-9 over the next two years, according to Junior Achievement Inc., which is implementing the program using volunteer teachers from the business sector.

Two parties at fault here, the mpaa for trying to influence the youth, and the American government for treating schools like shit and making schools find ways of funding from one-sided parties.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 25, 2003, 4:40 am

yes they are trying to influence our youth into having repsect for intellectual copyrights. next thing you know the KGB will be knocking on our doors at 2AM and dragging us off into the night.

emmer · Post by **emmer** » October 25, 2003, 6:30 am

Back when I was a lad, all we needed was a good ol' FBI warning to put the fear of god in us, and we were scared straight for life.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 25, 2003, 9:23 am

The youth have no fear of anything. They already think they're immortal and since pretty much no-one can discipline them anymore they don't give a fuck what you or the MPAA think.

Tegellan · Post by **Tegellan** » October 25, 2003, 11:20 am

What is the world coming to? *sobs*

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 25, 2003, 12:00 pm

Sion, let me get this straight. You are upset that they are trying to teach kids not to illegally steal their product? If so, please explain why.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » October 25, 2003, 1:57 pm

Sion, let me get this straight. You are upset that they are trying to teach kids not to illegally steal their product? If so, please explain why.

Because gaining an education has fuck all to do with the MPA? Seriously, where does it end?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 25, 2003, 2:12 pm

I think the objection is that the end does not justify the means.. What right, other than bribing the school administration, does the MPAA, or any other business, have to enter the school system to promote their agenda?

Would you have the NRA giving talks in schools?

How about the Right to Life or Freedom of Choice movements?

The holy mother Catholic church?

There's enough "information" pushed through media channels about any of these movements, adding it to the curriculum of a school gives it added weight that it doesn't necessarily deserve, removes this responsibility from parents, and detracts from the actual reason children are supposed to be in school.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » October 25, 2003, 2:39 pm

The next thing you know they'll be taking away free speech and sending every Muslim in the US to Gitmo. Err wait...

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 25, 2003, 2:57 pm

Ok, maybe I misunderstand the subject here. In my school they had speakers speak to us about many things including sex, teen pregnancy, drugs, alcohol, guns, crime, etc. Digital theft seems, at least to me, to fall into the criteria of things children need to learn about. Does the responsibility fall on the parents' shoulders? Of course. But why is it wrong for the schools to help deliver the message?

I understand that the MPAA is trying to protect their own industry by doing this, yet I fail to see why it is morally wrong. They are simply teaching children not to steal. Why exactly is that wrong?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 25, 2003, 3:07 pm

Xyun wrote:In my school they had speakers speak to us about many things including sex, teen pregnancy, drugs, alcohol, guns, crime, etc.

And a fine job they've done at removing those problems

It's not a matter of is it morally wrong to steal a movie off the net, or if it's morally right to tell someone not to.

How many special interest groups do you think the school system can support before it starts to detract significantly from the primary purpose of an education system?

And this is a special interest group, as you yourself stated, crime is already addressed.

Silvarel Mistmoon · Post by **Silvarel Mistmoon** » October 25, 2003, 3:52 pm

All this is going to do is get a bunch of kids to do it for the thrill of seeing if they can get away with it.

Why fear going to jail when they see how the crooks can play the system even when in jail.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » October 25, 2003, 4:15 pm

learning about sex in school can be summed up in one sentence ... "wait until your married abstinance is your friend"

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » October 26, 2003, 2:08 am

I just find the mpaa going into schools and preaching about file swapping to be one sided. Would you like if some capt's from the military came into a classroom and explained all the reasons for going to war, but never mentioned any reasons not to? I'm ok if the mpaa did this, if another party explained the other side of the arguement. Also, I dont really like them giving out prizes but thats ok.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 26, 2003, 3:28 am

The other side of the argument is intellectual property theft. you want to bring career criminals into classrooms to educate about stealing?

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » October 26, 2003, 4:33 am

More like I want someone telling how all these problems were caused by these companies own stupid mistakes and purposely saturating the market with inferior quality products.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » October 26, 2003, 6:34 pm

when you pirate MP3's you are downloading COMMUNISM!!!!!
i dont know where but i saw a funny as shit picture of that on the net, if anyone has it it would be appropriate for this thread

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 26, 2003, 6:38 pm

Sionistic wrote:More like I want someone telling how all these problems were caused by these companies own stupid mistakes and purposely saturating the market with inferior quality products.

lol you're so brainwashed it almost makes me sad.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 26, 2003, 8:52 pm

Separation of copywrites and state! No copywrites in the classroom.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 26, 2003, 9:42 pm

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » October 26, 2003, 11:11 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Sionistic wrote:More like I want someone telling how all these problems were caused by these companies own stupid mistakes and purposely saturating the market with inferior quality products.
lol you're so brainwashed it almost makes me sad.

Then tell me why you disagree with that statement. Who knows I might agree with you.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 27, 2003, 2:01 am

Because self perceived flaws in an industry doesnt give a person carte blanche to steal.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 27, 2003, 7:00 am

More like I want someone telling how all these problems were caused by these companies own stupid mistakes and purposely saturating the market with inferior quality products.

WTF are you talking about? It's okay to steal because the victim doesn't have a decent way to protect his property? What the fuck ever. There is no way you can justify theft, so don't even fucking try. If you are going to be a thief, don't try to defend your action morally, just accept that you are a thief and go about your business.

It's not a matter of is it morally wrong to steal a movie off the net, or if it's morally right to tell someone not to.

How many special interest groups do you think the school system can support before it starts to detract significantly from the primary purpose of an education system?

It is irrelevant that it is a special interest group. The only thing that is relevant is whether or not the subject matter should be taught in classrooms.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » October 27, 2003, 11:10 am

Xyun wrote:
More like I want someone telling how all these problems were caused by these companies own stupid mistakes and purposely saturating the market with inferior quality products.
WTF are you talking about? It's okay to steal because the victim doesn't have a decent way to protect his property? What the fuck ever. There is no way you can justify theft, so don't even fucking try. If you are going to be a thief, don't try to defend your action morally, just accept that you are a thief and go about your business.

Its difficult to feel bad about stealing from thieves that have been robbing you.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » October 27, 2003, 11:52 am

kyoukan wrote:Because self perceived flaws in an industry doesnt give a person carte blanche to steal.

I dont think a collusion conviction is a self perceived flaw

Deward · Post by **Deward** » October 27, 2003, 12:00 pm

This stuff doesn't deserve to be in schools. They are barely teaching our kids as it is in many communities and this program won't influence the kids at all. We need to use this money to buy more science equipment or reading books.

By letting outside special interest groups come into the schools then it sets a precendent for other corporations to come in. Schools don't neeed to see this as a source of revenue. We don't need a Pepsi fair or a Ritalin day.

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » October 27, 2003, 12:23 pm

Use what money for science equipment? The state, nor the government is giving the schools any extra money. The MPAA is giving schools money, in return the schools are going to play or broadcast some MPAA public service message about digital theft. I think it is a good program. Personally I'm tired of all the sanctimonius people crowing like they are saving the whales by stealing from record and movie companies. If a person wants to be a thief, fine, be a thief. Just don't try to paint it a pretty picture.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 27, 2003, 12:58 pm

Forthe wrote:
Xyun wrote:
More like I want someone telling how all these problems were caused by these companies own stupid mistakes and purposely saturating the market with inferior quality products.
WTF are you talking about? It's okay to steal because the victim doesn't have a decent way to protect his property? What the fuck ever. There is no way you can justify theft, so don't even fucking try. If you are going to be a thief, don't try to defend your action morally, just accept that you are a thief and go about your business.
Its difficult to feel bad about stealing from thieves that have been robbing you.

You are not forced into buying their product. If this were about food or something we need to survive, I would agree with you. It's entertainment, and you don't have to buy it.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 27, 2003, 1:10 pm

If schools don't have the time to give kids a decent education in fundamental subjects, I can't see how adding more noise to the din is going to help them.

The RIAA can take a flying fuck for all I care. Sanctimonius bastards, all of em.

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » October 27, 2003, 1:14 pm

Kargyle wrote:Use what money for science equipment? The state, nor the government is giving the schools any extra money. The MPAA is giving schools money, in return the schools are going to play or broadcast some MPAA public service message about digital theft. I think it is a good program. Personally I'm tired of all the sanctimonius people crowing like they are saving the whales by stealing from record and movie companies. If a person wants to be a thief, fine, be a thief. Just don't try to paint it a pretty picture.

I do not condone digital theft, but I do believe that it sets a bad precedent to have these people having direct access to children at the place that children are sent for an education. Furthermore, the average American does not receive a very thorough education and the time wasted at school for these "public service announcements" could be better spent actually teaching.

Letting any asshole special interest group in to the school yard if they are there to spread their "perfectly legal/constitutional" message just because they are willing to donate money to schools is a very bad precendent to set

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » October 27, 2003, 2:25 pm

While I some what agree with you, Archeiron, that it could set a bad precedent, the precedent has already been set. I remember when I was in high school, granted, that was 10 years ago, they had TVs in all of the classrooms, and they did announcements on those TVs during home period, which was the first 15 or some minutes of 3rd period (third period was longer than all of the others to cover the time of the announcements). Anyway, part of the announcements was some special program that covered news and world events, trying to get kids interested, during that program they had regular commercials. So, the companies are already in class rooms.

Not too mention the number of companies that donate goods to schools, and in return the school hands up a banner or something similar for said company. I went by my old HS a few monthes ago to see a friend that teaches their now, and right in the mian hallway was a huge HP banner. I asked my buddy about it, and apparently HP donated some computers to the school district, and then sold them more computers at a discount rate, so the school were displaying the HP banner. He didn't know for how long. So, is what the MPAA is doing, and different than what HP is doing? I don't like the marketting works in America, but atleast in this case the schools are getting some real benefit from it. And, every one knows, education in America needs all the help it can get.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » October 27, 2003, 2:43 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:
Forthe wrote:
Xyun wrote:
More like I want someone telling how all these problems were caused by these companies own stupid mistakes and purposely saturating the market with inferior quality products.
WTF are you talking about? It's okay to steal because the victim doesn't have a decent way to protect his property? What the fuck ever. There is no way you can justify theft, so don't even fucking try. If you are going to be a thief, don't try to defend your action morally, just accept that you are a thief and go about your business.
Its difficult to feel bad about stealing from thieves that have been robbing you.
You are not forced into buying their product. If this were about food or something we need to survive, I would agree with you. It's entertainment, and you don't have to buy it.

And I wouldn't of if I had known I was being robbed at the time but like any good thief the theft was hidden.

So a merry FU to the record labels. Carma is a bitch.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » October 27, 2003, 4:15 pm

Give me a example of how you were ripped off by the record industry?

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » October 27, 2003, 4:35 pm

Cartalas wrote:Give me a example of how you were ripped off by the record industry?

Price fixing among "competitors" to keep the price of CDs artificially high.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 27, 2003, 4:42 pm

There is no such thing as artificially high prices in a free market economy.

And even if they were nefariously fixing prices that doesn't give you the _moral_ or legal right to steal from them. To think that someone should be going around to schools and lecturing that its A-OK to steal from these industries because you don't like how they do business is quite seriously the most fucking ludicrous thing I have ever heard ranted on this forum.

Especially considering the article in question only mentions the MPAA, which has about as much to do with CD prices as I do. Or did the MPAA do something evil to justify stealing from them as well?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » October 27, 2003, 4:51 pm

Forthe wrote:
Cartalas wrote:Give me a example of how you were ripped off by the record industry?
Price fixing among "competitors" to keep the price of CDs artificially high.

Ok so you are complaining about the cost of a CD? right? Fair enough. why did you buy it then?

Seems to me you,we have a choice.

Sacred Love-Sting

Best Buy 9.99
WalMart 11.86 (All because they have to pay labor now)
Target 12.99

Now it seems a little shopping and a CD cost you 10 dollars far cry from price gouging.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 27, 2003, 5:06 pm

It should be known that it is only 9.99 at Best Buy on the day of the release. It jumps to around 11.99 the next day.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » October 27, 2003, 5:09 pm

Zamtuk wrote:It should be known that it is only 9.99 at Best Buy on the day of the release. It jumps to around 11.99 the next day.

Then if you want it 2 dollars cheaper you better buy it then, or wait a week for it to drop at Target.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 27, 2003, 5:16 pm

To think that someone should be going around to schools and lecturing that its A-OK to steal from these industries because you don't like how they do business is quite seriously the most fucking ludicrous thing I have ever heard ranted on this forum.

Good thing you didn't hear that then.

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » October 27, 2003, 5:20 pm

Forthe wrote:
Cartalas wrote:Give me a example of how you were ripped off by the record industry?
Price fixing among "competitors" to keep the price of CDs artificially high.

While that is true, is has already been settledt, they paid that money back as they were ordered to do by the courts. So if that is your justification for stealing from them, as far as the courts are concerned they have already paid their debt. If you did not sign up to receive your check from the record companies, that is hardly their fault.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 27, 2003, 5:30 pm

Fallanthas wrote:Good thing you didn't hear that then.

shut the fuck up when your intellectual betters are conducting an adult conversation, you babbling fucking retard.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » October 27, 2003, 5:43 pm

I'm not sure how this went from MPAA to RIAA. My personal thoughts on MPAA is why the hell is it $17 for a VHS and $27 for a DVD, when costs for shipping, reproduction, storage, etc for a DVD is cheaper. But that's life I guess.

Anywhere, someone wanted proof of the record companies price fixing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/ ... 3833.shtml

There.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 27, 2003, 5:58 pm

Hey, here is an idea.

When you stick your neck out and fuck up, don't admit to it like an adult. Instead, insult whoever points out your mistake, preferably using as many adjectives as possible.

It's such an intelligent stance....

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » October 27, 2003, 6:20 pm

kyoukan wrote:There is no such thing as artificially high prices in a free market economy.

A virtual monopoly conspiring to inflate prices is not a free market. Free markets are competitive.

Kguku wrote:I'm not sure how this went from MPAA to RIAA.

Thank my brainfart for that one.

I view the MPAA more favorably than the RIAA (putting it mildly).

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 27, 2003, 6:26 pm

i have no problem with the MPAA's ad campaign.

I do have a problem with them potentially paying the government to get access to a captive audience that they do not have to pay for their time to access.

To clarify, they shouldnt get free access to a captive audience to run their PR deal. They should pay to distribute direct mail, television commercials, sponsored shows on networks during kid viewing time, whatever.

i mean do the schools see any money that the MPAA forked over to get this deal done? probably not.

i think the MPAA is doing a much better job of trying to position themselves for the current media market than the RIAA is. But you couldnt do much worse than that.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » October 27, 2003, 7:08 pm

kyoukan wrote:There is no such thing as artificially high prices in a free market economy.

The FTC thinks there is such thing.

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » October 27, 2003, 7:33 pm

Voronwë wrote:i have no problem with the MPAA's ad campaign.

I do have a problem with them potentially paying the government to get access to a captive audience that they do not have to pay for their time to access.

To clarify, they shouldnt get free access to a captive audience to run their PR deal. They should pay to distribute direct mail, television commercials, sponsored shows on networks during kid viewing time, whatever.

i mean do the schools see any money that the MPAA forked over to get this deal done? probably not.

i think the MPAA is doing a much better job of trying to position themselves for the current media market than the RIAA is. But you couldnt do much worse than that.

Just quoting Voro so I can agree with him (he loves the intellectual gratification of it all)

This isn't about the morality of the issue that they are discussing; the issue is the target audience that they are deliverying their message to and the context under which they are deliverying it.

One can agree with the "message" but still disagree with the time and place at which it was given.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 27, 2003, 7:46 pm

Fallanthas wrote:Hey, here is an idea.

When you stick your neck out and fuck up, don't admit to it like an adult. Instead, insult whoever points out your mistake, preferably using as many adjectives as possible.

It's such an intelligent stance....

what in the name of all that is holy and unholy are you even ranting about in this thread? or are you just lacking attention today?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 27, 2003, 9:19 pm

Kargyle wrote:While that is true, is has already been settledt, they paid that money back as they were ordered to do by the courts. So if that is your justification for stealing from them, as far as the courts are concerned they have already paid their debt. If you did not sign up to receive your check from the record companies, that is hardly their fault.

I never got my $20 from that. Fuckers ripped me off again.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » October 27, 2003, 11:08 pm

Kargyle wrote:
Forthe wrote:
Cartalas wrote:Give me a example of how you were ripped off by the record industry?
Price fixing among "competitors" to keep the price of CDs artificially high.
While that is true, is has already been settledt, they paid that money back as they were ordered to do by the courts. So if that is your justification for stealing from them, as far as the courts are concerned they have already paid their debt. If you did not sign up to receive your check from the record companies, that is hardly their fault.

The FTC said they got about 480million from the collusion, RIAA settled for 123million, thru the courts, the riaa his been able to slow this down, as to now, the riaa has yet to pay the 123million tab