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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... stid=15391
The general leading the hunt for Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein has publicly declared that the Christian God is "bigger" than Allah, who is a false "idol", and believes the war on terrorism is a fight with Satan, it emerged yesterday.

Investigative reporters from the Los Angeles Times and NBC television have dug up two years' worth of seemingly incendiary comments from Lt Gen William "Jerry" Boykin, the newly promoted deputy undersecretary of state of defence for intelligence.

Gen Boykin has repeatedly told Christian groups and prayer meetings that President George W Bush was chosen by God to lead the global fight against Satan.

He told one gathering: "Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. He's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."

In January, he told Baptists in Florida about a victory over a Muslim warlord in Somalia, who had boasted that Allah would protect him from American capture. "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real god and his was an idol," Gen Boykin said.

He also emerged from the conflict with a photograph of the Somalian capital Mogadishu bearing a strange dark mark. He has said this showed "the principalities of darkness. . . a demonic presence in that city that God revealed to me as the enemy".

On the Middle East, Gen Boykin told an Oregon church in June that America could not ignore its Judaeo-Christian roots. "Our religion came from Judaism and therefore [Islamic] radicals will hate us forever."

In the same month, Gen Boykin told an Oklahoma congregation that Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were not the enemy.

"Our enemy is a spiritual enemy because we are a nation of believers. . . His name is Satan."

The disclosures will doubtless be seized on by Muslim critics as proof that the US-led war on terrorism is a crusade against Islam. It is a charge that Mr Bush has worked hard to refute.

Though careful to respect minority religions within its ranks, the US military is strikingly devout from top to bottom. Mr Bush and several key figures in his administration are staunch Christian conservatives.

Few outside the Pentagon noticed when Gen Boykin, a 13-year member of Delta Force, the top-secret commando unit modelled on the SAS, was promoted this summer, with responsibility for speeding the flow of top-secret intelligence to commandos hunting bin Laden and other high-value targets.

At a routine press conference yesterday, Donald Rumsfeld, the normally confident defence secretary, appeared wrong-footed by the controversy. He hailed the general's "outstanding record" and said his comments were made "in his private capacity".

However, Mr Rumsfeld was careful to cite Mr Bush's injunctions against viewing Islam as the enemy.

Gen Boykin told NBC that he would be curtailing his speeches to religious groups. "I don't want to come across as a Right-wing radical," he said.
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Oh yeah, well America is better than Canada.

You're just jealous because you're a midget who lives in an igloo!


I think I got them all covered. I didn't really have anything to add, I hate religious nuts of any variety.
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I hate hardcore religious people. I hate retards. I hate Bush and his candy ass crew of "God made me president" cronies.

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Some of the story is bullshit... yes he is religious but the comment about his God was taken out of context. It was said in a sermon concerning Samilia where is he said his God was more powerful that the warlords god who was money, NOT Allah.

Some freak Christian probably heard his sermon and went out bashing Muslims because he wasn't listening or just didn't have the mental capacity to understand... which sadly happens all too often in many mainstream Churches, even mine. :(

One of my best friends served under this guy directly for a while and said he is an excellent leader and man who he would follow at any time. That being said it's of note that my friend is agnostic, primarily due to Christianity being shoved down his throat as a child... yet he still found this man respectable. I value that as I value his opinion.

Also, if you believe the Bible, even inspirationally rather than literally, what the General said about Bush being in President is correct. For some reason, possibly even to screw things up, God wanted him there at this time. Along the same lines he is also correct in naming Satan as the true enemy of all, no matter what a person's religion or lack or one is...

In regards to the picture though...uh he is reachin'... solar flair perhaps?

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But my momma will kick your momma's fucking ASS!
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Marbus your story is just right wing propoganda until you post proof my friend.
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yeah, because anything posted on the internet is teh truth~!!!!!11`
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Also, if you believe the Bible, even inspirationally rather than literally, what the General said about Bush being in President is correct. For some reason, possibly even to screw things up, God wanted him there at this time.
Pretty offtopic, but I am curious. Why is it, even if you "inspirationally" believe in the bible, that every trival act of man is God's wish? What makes you think God cares about whether Bush or Gore was preseident? Reminds me of all those atheletes that always thank the baby Jesus whenever they score or win. Do the religous folk here actually believe that God has a stake in the outcome of an election or ballgame?
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Also, if you believe the Bible, even inspirationally rather than literally, what the General said about Bush being in President is correct. For some reason, possibly even to screw things up, God wanted him there at this time.
That is pretty arrogant, presuming to know God's plan/wishes. But what do I know, I am an apatheist.
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well God must be a fucking idiot then.

that is all.
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Boogahz wrote:yeah, because anything posted on the internet is teh truth~!!!!!11`
I agree, but lets not post links to articles or anything, lets just post what we 'think' was said, and call it true.
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Well then, this just totally vindicates Osama Bin Laden's position that this is indeed a holy war, and that we are indeed "the crusaders". It makes his "jihad" totally legit in the minds of islamics everywhere!



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Aaeamdar wrote:
Also, if you believe the Bible, even inspirationally rather than literally, what the General said about Bush being in President is correct. For some reason, possibly even to screw things up, God wanted him there at this time.
Pretty offtopic, but I am curious. Why is it, even if you "inspirationally" believe in the bible, that every trival act of man is God's wish? What makes you think God cares about whether Bush or Gore was preseident? Reminds me of all those atheletes that always thank the baby Jesus whenever they score or win. Do the religous folk here actually believe that God has a stake in the outcome of an election or ballgame?
It's called coaching.. the white folks feel much more comfortable when the black sports star attributes his physical prowess to Jesus..
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it is simple narcism to think that God is guiding individuals' actions.

that and it is also a psychological unwillingness to be able to make decisions for your life without having the (implied) consent of a parent, ie God.


that's my cocktail napkin philosophy for today.
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Zaelath wrote:It's called coaching.. the white folks feel much more comfortable when the black sports star attributes his physical prowess to Jesus..
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As long as he's telling the truth. hahaha. I wonder how ppl from the Middle East view that. :twisted:
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Krim, the stuff about my friend serving under him you have to take my word on :)

The other I heard from Dan Rather on the CBS evening news last night. They asked him what he meant and he said the Warlords god was Money, it had nothing to do with Muslims. Don't have an internet link though.

In regards to the statements of faith I forgot to put, IMHO :) Sorry about that.

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<edit> Found a link Krim, I would never want ANYTHING I say to be Right-Wing Propaganda

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/ ... 8471.shtml
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I wonder if the people over there even know we didnt vote for Bush.
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even if he wasn't a backpedalling jackass who is now afraid of getting his ass fired by the Rumsfeldinator and his covering his ass, I really don't feel very comfortable about some whacked out general in charge of some of the most destructive weapons on the planet thinking his is on judeo christian holy crusade against anything.

although its fairly clear from the speeches in the article that he wasn't misquoted at all.
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that guy is a maniac.

if you believe that sort of thing, you have a defective brain.
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kyoukan wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... stid=15391
The general leading the hunt for Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein has publicly declared that the Christian God is "bigger" than Allah, who is a false "idol", and believes the war on terrorism is a fight with Satan, it emerged yesterday.

Investigative reporters from the Los Angeles Times and NBC television have dug up two years' worth of seemingly incendiary comments from Lt Gen William "Jerry" Boykin, the newly promoted deputy undersecretary of state of defence for intelligence.

Gen Boykin has repeatedly told Christian groups and prayer meetings that President George W Bush was chosen by God to lead the global fight against Satan.

He told one gathering: "Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. He's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."

In January, he told Baptists in Florida about a victory over a Muslim warlord in Somalia, who had boasted that Allah would protect him from American capture. "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real god and his was an idol," Gen Boykin said.

He also emerged from the conflict with a photograph of the Somalian capital Mogadishu bearing a strange dark mark. He has said this showed "the principalities of darkness. . . a demonic presence in that city that God revealed to me as the enemy".

On the Middle East, Gen Boykin told an Oregon church in June that America could not ignore its Judaeo-Christian roots. "Our religion came from Judaism and therefore [Islamic] radicals will hate us forever."In the same month, Gen Boykin told an Oklahoma congregation that Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were not the enemy.

"Our enemy is a spiritual enemy because we are a nation of believers. . . His name is Satan."

The disclosures will doubtless be seized on by Muslim critics as proof that the US-led war on terrorism is a crusade against Islam. It is a charge that Mr Bush has worked hard to refute.

Though careful to respect minority religions within its ranks, the US military is strikingly devout from top to bottom. Mr Bush and several key figures in his administration are staunch Christian conservatives.

Few outside the Pentagon noticed when Gen Boykin, a 13-year member of Delta Force, the top-secret commando unit modelled on the SAS, was promoted this summer, with responsibility for speeding the flow of top-secret intelligence to commandos hunting bin Laden and other high-value targets.

At a routine press conference yesterday, Donald Rumsfeld, the normally confident defence secretary, appeared wrong-footed by the controversy. He hailed the general's "outstanding record" and said his comments were made "in his private capacity".

However, Mr Rumsfeld was careful to cite Mr Bush's injunctions against viewing Islam as the enemy.

Gen Boykin told NBC that he would be curtailing his speeches to religious groups. "I don't want to come across as a Right-wing radical," he said.
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he prolly doesnt even realize that the islamic religion, evolved from christianity and muhammed(sp) was also a christian, which means that islam also evolved from judaism

i hate dumbasses like this, becouse of people like this i am very, very proud to be an agnostic
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.....Where did that come from? Time-wise I could see it evolving from or co-existing with Judaism, which is not Christianity since it came MANY years later.


As for the comment about the internet and the truth being posted. Obviously someone else posted a rebuttal article from the cbsnews site which you can read. I am just pointing out that just because someone puts in their blog that they fucked their sister doesn't mean they did it. I mean if that was the case, all of those "incest" videos with fathers screwing daughters would be real. puhlease....


Believing half the shit on the net is what leads to the dead end arguments here. Unless you're their and/or involved, you're clueless like me. I will admit it, but I doubt many would do the same.
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Nothing ever happens in the world without you being there to personally witness it? What a small world you live in, here in the real world we have newspapers, news sites, cable tv, I kid you not!
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Believing half the shit on the net is what leads to the dead end arguments here. Unless you're their and/or involved, you're clueless like me. I will admit it, but I doubt many would do the same.
Yeah I'm with Krims on this one. Sure you have to draw a line somewhere but i'm not going to draw it at "what I personally witness".
But then I tend to read books as well as read teh intarnet and watch TV so I get more than one perspective.
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Oh, I agree that with multiple sources that are actually multiple sources and not just one story repeated, things can be gathered/understood. The fact that one story is automatically taken to be true is what's bs.


Also the comment about if it's on the net, it's gotta be true was sarcasm if you could not tell by "yeah, because anything posted on the internet is teh truth~!!!!!11`" then I will start posting under Kyoukan's name. Maybe then you'll get it.


Also read my post which you are so willing to point out. I never said everything on the net was not true. I said HALF!!!~!~11


The whole reason for the sarcasm later on was because someone ELSE posted a link to another story which basically "spun" the original article. That's why I said you can only believe about half of what you find on the net. Now, that doesn't mean believe half of what FOX, CNN, BBC, etc. say, but when you start with other sources look at how different some can be. Hell, some of the "legitimate" news sources throw shit out there all the time before doing research as well. Look at the stories coming out since the invasion of Iraq for many examples.
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Nice backstroke, should try out for the swim team.
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I said exactly what I said before. I also pointed out that your reading comprehension skills seem to miss key words such as half. You didn't recognize sarcasm, so from now on I will try to make it easier for you with /sarcasm on and /sarcasm off. As for the swim team...

/sarcasm on
As long as you aren't wearing Speedo's.
/sarcasm off


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1st - Be All You Can Be.

2nd - An Army of One.

Now - Hark! Rise and take to arms my friend! The Lord our God commands you to slay his enemies who might covet His oil and blaspheme His name in their pursuit of a false deity! Amen.
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Boogahz wrote:I said exactly what I said before. I also pointed out that your reading comprehension skills seem to miss key words such as half. You didn't recognize sarcasm, so from now on I will try to make it easier for you with /sarcasm on and /sarcasm off. As for the swim team...

/sarcasm on
As long as you aren't wearing Speedo's.
/sarcasm off


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yea, I want you to display your idiot-dom everytime, just like that.
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When did they start...

Judiasm - ~2300 BCE
Christanity - 0-100 CE
Islam - 600-650 CE

Islam could have risen from Christanity but didn't and Mohammad was NOT a Christian. He did believe that Jesus was a great Prophet of God but I wouldn't say a "Chrisitan" as in his understanding God told him to basically go back to most of the Judiac type laws which Jesus wiped away.

However all 3 Religions do "technically" worship the same God, the God of Abraham.

What I think is interesting is that for each Religion their has been a time of Jehad almost. A time when people went out to kill or convert the rest of the world... the pattern seems to be about 1000-1300 years each religion became militant. There's a meaning somewhere in that, just not sure where.

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So, that would be the Jewish revolts against the Egyptians and later the Romans which would lead into the Christians, and then the Christian's Crusades against the Muslims. Now we have the Muslims (who previously ruled most if not all of the southern portion of Europe) trying to regain their lands and protect their lifestyle. Definitely something there, but I don't think it's something you could really time put a true time-frame to. These are just taking those three religions into account though, and there are/were others around too.
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Kind of but more like once the Jewish religion really took a foothold, AFTER they left Egypt when they defeated the Cannanites and took the "Promised Land." Their religion had been around about 1300 years. Then about 1300 years into Christanity they become pretty militaristic to "protect" their way of life. Now Islam is about the same age and seems to be reacting in a similar fashon.

If you look back at Saladin he was much more compassionate and "true" than the majority of the Christian Crusaders. In one Old Testament story the Isrealites make a treaty with one group of people but insist that all men be circumcised. In order to do this all the men of the land get pretty drunk first then have it done. While they were in pain and still half out of it Isreal attacked... pretty ruthless. Similar type stories happend during the crusades, not the same thing but similarly horrific. Thus killing a lot of people or doing it in a pretty ruthless manner seems to be a patter at some point in the maturity of the religion...

I've only noticed the pattern in those religions that trace their religion back to the covenant with Abraham but it might hold true for Zoroasterism and some other monotheistic religions as well... I'll just have to check it out someday.

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Marbus wrote:When did they start...

Judiasm - ~2300 BCE
Christanity - 0-100 CE
Islam - 600-650 CE

Islam could have risen from Christanity but didn't and Mohammad was NOT a Christian. He did believe that Jesus was a great Prophet of God but I wouldn't say a "Chrisitan" as in his understanding God told him to basically go back to most of the Judiac type laws which Jesus wiped away.

However all 3 Religions do "technically" worship the same God, the God of Abraham.

What I think is interesting is that for each Religion their has been a time of Jehad almost. A time when people went out to kill or convert the rest of the world... the pattern seems to be about 1000-1300 years each religion became militant. There's a meaning somewhere in that, just not sure where.

Heh,
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well he was raised and born christian, but obviouslyw asnt one, just like "jesus" wasnt a jew,
he was born one and shared similar beliefs, but he stood against most if not all the major jewish authorities and there traditions...so he was as christian as jesus was jewish
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Really? I guess I need to study up on that again. I knew he went to live with his uncle who was very upset about all the Idol worship going on but I may have missed the point about him being raised a Christian. I'll check that out, thanks!
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