Vatican tells the world to stop using condoms to fight AIDS

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » October 10, 2003, 11:18 am

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international ... 66,00.html

What are you fucking kidding me? And to think billions of people follow these decrepit mother fuckers..

Ennia · Post by **Ennia** » October 10, 2003, 11:54 am

Catholic church is against condoms period. This is just a new method (health) to bully people into stopping to use them.

In their ideal world one woman and one man will find each other and mate and live together forever. Unfortunately it's the fairy tale world.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 10, 2003, 12:00 pm

Does'nt that faith also think any form of contraceptive is bad, even between husband and wife?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » October 10, 2003, 12:09 pm

Yes, the fucking idiots. They're as bad as Islamists as far as their medieval view of the world in some ways.

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Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » October 10, 2003, 12:13 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:Yes, the fucking idiots. They're as bad as Islamists as far as their medieval view of the world in some ways.

Hang the pope
Hang the pope
Hang the pope
Hang the pope
Hang the pope
Hang the pope
Hang the fucking pope
Hang the pope
Hang the pope
Hang the pope
Hang the pope
Hang the pope
Hang the pope
Hang the fucking pope
Go up to the Vatican
Get him out of bed
Put the noose around his neck
And hang him til he's fucking dead
<repeat>
lyrics - Nuclear Assault

LOL! Oh man, its been a while.

Got the lyrics to "Live, Suffer, Die" tucked away somewhere? =)

Syenye Squirrellyelf · October 10, 2003, 12:14 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Does'nt that faith also think any form of contraceptive is bad, even between husband and wife?

No. Catholicism supports birth control in the form of natural family planning.

Syenye Squirrellyelf · October 10, 2003, 12:18 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:Yes, the fucking idiots. They're as bad as Islamists as far as their medieval view of the world in some ways.

on another note, i'm Catholic and that's offensive to me. i don't understand why it's horrible and closed minded to target specific groups but catholic bashing is acceptable.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » October 10, 2003, 12:24 pm

Because it is open season on all religions. It is no longer something to be admired for "a faith or belief system". I disagree with the Catholic stance on many issues however I would not express my opinions in the manner of Tanc.

Hi Syenye

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 10, 2003, 12:26 pm

Syenye Squirrellyelf wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:Does'nt that faith also think any form of contraceptive is bad, even between husband and wife?
No. Catholicism supports birth control in the form of natural family planning.

I don't get the difference. I am not trying to be a smart alek here, I honestly want to know. I thought the very meaning of birth control was the form of natural family planning. I really am not getting it. Is it that birth control is ok between married couples, but not between adulterers and fornicators?

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » October 10, 2003, 12:37 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:adulterers and fornicators?

Which would account for...I dunno, 2/3 of the population?

Syenye Squirrellyelf · October 10, 2003, 12:38 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:
Syenye Squirrellyelf wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:Does'nt that faith also think any form of contraceptive is bad, even between husband and wife?
No. Catholicism supports birth control in the form of natural family planning.
I don't get the difference. I am not trying to be a smart alek here, I honestly want to know. I thought the very meaning of birth control was the form of natural family planning. I really am not getting it. Is it that birth control is ok between married couples, but not between adulterers and fornicators?

Since the Catholic church frowns upon extramarital sex, it doesn't address contraception outside of marriage. Natural family planning is abstinenance during periods of fertility (ovulation), which rereading your post, doesn't fall under the category of a contraceptive.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 10, 2003, 12:39 pm

Fesuni Chopsui wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:adulterers and fornicators?
Which would account for...I dunno, 2/3 of the population?

Yea, and? I was not looking for a debate on adultery or fornication, I was looking for clarification on Catholicism's stance on contraceptives.

Syenye Squirrellyelf wrote: Since the Catholic church frowns upon extramarital sex, it doesn't address contraception outside of marriage. Natural family planning is abstinenance during periods of fertility (ovulation), which rereading your post, doesn't fall under the category of a contraceptive.

Ok thanks for the clarification.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » October 10, 2003, 12:58 pm

on another note, i'm Catholic and that's offensive to me. i don't understand why it's horrible and closed minded to target specific groups but catholic bashing is acceptable

If it's naked stupidity I'll bash it no matter where it comes from. If it happens to come from your religious leaders and my slating them offends you I'm afraid that's tough. The Vatican's stance on contraception in this day and age is indefensible.

Edit: typo

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » October 10, 2003, 12:59 pm

The archbishop of Nairobi, Raphael Ndingi Nzeki, said: "Aids... has grown so fast because of the availability of condoms."

i fucking hate religion, not just the caths, not just the christians, ALL of them.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 10, 2003, 2:14 pm

No. Catholicism supports birth control in the form of natural family planning.

birth control != contraceptive

The Catholic church is pro-brith control and anti-contraceptive.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » October 10, 2003, 2:38 pm

If you out-breed everyone else you can take over the world

Every sperm is sacred

Legenae · Post by **Legenae** » October 10, 2003, 3:24 pm

It's unfortunate that each religion has individuals/groups that give their religions a bad name. When I come across nutcases like that I remind myself that they aren't all bad. One of my best friends is Catholic. I don't hold that against her.

I've even worked with a few Muslims. A couple of them were really nice, but a couple of others we had problems with. One of them I can tell you the exact date that his attitude changed completely.

But the Vatican telling people to stop using condoms in the fight against HIV/AIDS is complete ignorance on their part, and can do a lot of damage if people take it seriously. It's people like that... and they are the head of the Catholic religion even... that put a negative light on Catholics, unfortunately.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » October 10, 2003, 3:38 pm

The unfortunate part is it's probably some Cardinal issuing that message, and chances are, whoever he is is a frontrunner for the Papacy. I wouldn't be surprised if the Vatacan makes a 180 in the next few months when Papa J.P. II dies and goes back to the medieval inquisition they've been oh so loved for over the last 1400 years or so. The cardinals are fluffing themselves up for the upcoming vote, it's no different than a political campain. Who can be the biggest party bulldog.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 10, 2003, 5:11 pm

No Vatican doctrine explicitly states that even the rythym method of birth control (pulling out) is against god. Something about spilling your seed when you aren't trying to procreate.

The main issue here is that there's nothing in any holy transcripts that says anything bad about any kind of birth control. The entire thing was dreamed up by some random pope some centuries ago who figured out that if catholics didn't use any form of birth control then they would have more children and thus there would be more catholics. It actually worked since it's the worlds largest religion now with a relatively small rate of converts; meaning most catholics are born into it and no sane person would convert to such an asinine guilt laden faith like catholocism.

I think it's fucking disgusting that the vatican would out and out lie to their parishoners and say that condoms don't stop HIV. It's a scientific fact that condoms do prevent the spread of the disease, and by encouraging people not to use them you are sentencing millions of people to death; especially in africa. Putting your own backwards and phony religious morals over other people's lives is no better than what they did during the inquisition.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » October 10, 2003, 5:31 pm

heres notrodamus(sp) for your ass

in 1000 years 95% of the world will be the same race, being a mix of all the races

in school you will have a simester of greek, jewish, and christian mythology
The catholic church as well as several others will perish in about 300 years, due to lack of support or a realistic viewpoint
...of course this is if dubya or some other warmonger doesnt start WW3 and we all get nuked

i understand how some religions view things like drugs, alchohol or killing animals as a wrong or evil, but i NEVER did and will understand why the fuck so many religions view sex as such a bad, evil satanic ritual if its just done for fun

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » October 10, 2003, 5:53 pm

kyoukan wrote:It's a scientific fact that condoms do prevent the spread of the disease

Slow is a better term, not prevent. Buggery and other "high friction" activites cause breakage, etc...

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » October 10, 2003, 7:43 pm

I don't know if you're just trying to be cute or you really do have the intelligence of an aborted ape fetus, but here:

"It's a scientific fact that condoms do prevent the spread of the disease if used properly"

Rivera Bladestrike · Post by **Rivera Bladestrike** » October 10, 2003, 8:07 pm

Religion is just another way of people controlling other people. Its all bullshit that is shoveled into people's mouths, conditioned to believe in god, and therefore listen to people that are now basically telling people to go and fuck, but don't use condoms since they don't work. The simple minded might believe this and will get aids. Gratz Retards of the Vatican and your 2000 years of bullshit.

Akanae · Post by **Akanae** » October 10, 2003, 8:15 pm

The archbishop of Nairobi, Raphael Ndingi Nzeki, said: "Aids... has grown so fast because of the availability of condoms."

Sex and the Holy City includes a Catholic nun advising her HIV-infected choirmaster against using condoms with his wife because "the virus can pass through".

Are they trying to wipe out the human race?

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » October 11, 2003, 12:19 am

I agree with Kyoukan on this one.

Marb

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » October 11, 2003, 1:07 am

Rivera Bladestrike wrote:Religion is just another way of people controlling other people. Its all bullshit that is shoveled into people's mouths, conditioned to believe in god, and therefore listen to people that are now basically telling people to go and fuck, but don't use condoms since they don't work. The simple minded might believe this and will get aids. Gratz Retards of the Vatican and your 2000 years of bullshit.

actually, religion started as a means of explaining the unknown, but then was corrupted over the years into control

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 11, 2003, 4:31 am

Syenye Squirrellyelf wrote:No. Catholicism supports birth control in the form of natural family planning.

By "natural family planning" you mean "mom has babies until her uterus falls out?"

I'm putting this wacky Catholic doctrine and their "facts" about how rubbers help spread diseases right up there with the Gambian penix theives.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » October 11, 2003, 10:20 am

Sionistic wrote:
Rivera Bladestrike wrote:Religion is just another way of people controlling other people. Its all bullshit that is shoveled into people's mouths, conditioned to believe in god, and therefore listen to people that are now basically telling people to go and fuck, but don't use condoms since they don't work. The simple minded might believe this and will get aids. Gratz Retards of the Vatican and your 2000 years of bullshit.
actually, religion started as a means of explaining the unknown, but then was corrupted over the years into control

ins ome cases thats true....but some religions like egyptian mythology and im sure several others today were pretty much just started for controll, or power, or money
Cartman on south park makes a good example,when he starts his church

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » October 11, 2003, 1:58 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:"It's a scientific fact that condoms do prevent the spread of the disease if used properly"

And it's also a fact they do break\leak occasionally, even if used properly. You just add more empty cylinders to gun you're playing russian roulette with when you put one on. If you engage in risky behaviour long enough, it's almost inevitable you're going to catch something. Abstinence is the only sure fire method, followed by long term monogamus<sp> relationships.

It's an idiotic statement by the church, I'd agree with whoever posted above that's it's part of a power play in the church.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » October 13, 2003, 1:23 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:I don't know if you're just trying to be cute or you really do have the intelligence of an aborted ape fetus, but here:

"It's a scientific fact that condoms do prevent the spread of the disease if used properly"

Wrong answer hero! Latex condoms can prevent the spread of disease. There also can still be problems with latex condoms, hence why they are only 99% effective even if used properly.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » October 13, 2003, 1:25 pm

There also can still be problems with latex condoms, hence why they are only 99% effective even if used properly.

Yeah like all things mde by humans they're imperfect and have a failure rate.

The Vatican isn't saying "don't use condoms cos there's a 1% chance they'll fail" though.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » October 13, 2003, 1:51 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:The Vatican isn't saying "don't use condoms cos there's a 1% chance they'll fail" though.

Choirboys, much like congressional pages rarely have AIDs I'd guess.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » October 13, 2003, 3:27 pm

Again in English please

Siji · Post by **Siji** » October 14, 2003, 4:33 pm

Organized religion makes teh baby Jesus cry.