'Ghettopoly' game causes outrage

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 9, 2003, 10:40 am

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/10/09/ghetto ... index.html

Black leaders are outraged over a new board game called "Ghettopoly" that has "playas" acting like pimps and game cards reading, "You got yo whole neighborhood addicted to crack. Collect $50."

Black clergymen say the game, the brainchild of a Pennsylvania man, should be banned, and have called for a boycott of Urban Outfitters unless the company stops selling Ghettopoly in its chain of clothing stores.

Urban Outfitters has not publicly commented on the issue, and did not return a call seeking comment on Wednesday.

"If we are silent on this issue there is more of this type to come," the Rev. Robert P. Shine Sr., president of the Black Clergy of Philadelphia & Vicinity, said at a sidewalk rally Wednesday in front Urban Outfitters' corporate headquarters in Philadelphia.

Shine displayed the game board, with properties including Westside Liquor, Harlem, The Bronx, and Long Beach City, and squares labeled Smitty's XXX Peep Show, Weinstein's Gold and Platinum, and Tyron's Gun Shop.

Players draw "Hustle" and "Ghetto Stash" cards with directions like, "You're a little short on loot, so you decided to stick up a bank. Collect $75," and "Steal $$$ if you pass Let$ Roll."

The creator of Ghettopoly, David Chang, did not immediately answer e-mails or phone calls seeking comment about the game.

On his Web site, Chang is unapologetic, and promises that more games -- Hoodopoly, Hiphopopoly, Thugopoly and Redneckopoly -- are coming soon.

"It draws on stereotypes not as a means to degrade, but as a medium to bring together in laughter," Chang maintains, adding, "If we can't laugh at ourselves ... we'll continue to live in blame and bitterness."

But the Ghettopoly board depicts figures labeled "Malcum X" and "Martin Luthor King Jr." -- intentionally misspelled -- noted Rev. Glenn Wilson, pastor of Enon Tabernacle Baptist Church.

"This is beyond making fun, to use the caricature of Dr. King in this regard," Wilson said. "There's no way that game could be taken in any way other than that this man had racist intent in marketing it."

The Philadelphia black clergy and Men United for a Better Philadelphia were just the latest to protest the game. In Chicago, the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Catholic Church, called for a boycott of Urban Outfitters. In Florida, the St. Petersburg and Hillsborough County chapters of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People urged the company to stop carrying the game.

"I was outraged. We called Outfitters, we wrote them a letter, we held a press conference, but we've had no response," Pfleger said Wednesday.

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » October 9, 2003, 11:10 am

ROFL!

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » October 9, 2003, 11:31 am

People need to learn how to laugh with each other and at themselves.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » October 9, 2003, 11:32 am

I'm picking up a copy of that stat!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 9, 2003, 11:55 am

The outrage of the black community is prolly going to generate millions of sales for these goobers. They got my thirty bucks!

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » October 9, 2003, 1:16 pm

Halarious!

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » October 9, 2003, 2:02 pm

How about they boycott a lot of the black comedians then, the jokes in Ghettopoly are hardly new hat.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 9, 2003, 2:19 pm

The only people I see putting up a stink is not the "community" but the clergy and the normal talking heads that regularly rear their heads at any opportunity to bash white America. Stay tuned for Jesse Jackson comments about suing, and a Sharpton hunger strike. Every person of color I showed this to a few months ago thought it was hilarious, but then again, I only confer with uncle toms and sell-outs. Whites can't wait for the Redneck version.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 9, 2003, 4:58 pm

I guess I am the only person who finds one culture negatively parodying another culture offensive.

No nothing racist there. It's all in fun! Man why don't people just learn to laugh at themselves while they live in poverty and squalor in crime-ridden black neighborhoods?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 9, 2003, 5:05 pm

I am guessing that you are not waiting for Crackeropoly then?

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » October 9, 2003, 5:13 pm

I just dont understand how people think that by ignoring our differences we will understand eachother.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 9, 2003, 5:32 pm

I honestly don't give a fuck about crackeropoly or redneckopoly or white trashopoly or anything else because I'm not that easily offended. I'm not that easily offended about my race because I was born into an upper middle class environment where I have never personally encountered racism directed at me once in my entire life. I have never been stereotyped because of my race and I was not raised in an environment where absolutely no advantages for me to succeed exist.

The schools I went to were above average for north american schools and with my grades and participation in extra activities I could have very easily gotten into any non-ivy league university I wanted to go to. And if my parents wouldn't have paid for it (they would have), because of the social class I was born into, it would have been sickeningly easy to secure a student loan and lived on that.

Nobody particularly close to me has ever been shot in a gang war, deals drugs, is in prison, or has been on welfare almost their entire life. Neither the house I was raised in nor the house I live in now has bars on the windows to keep people out. If I look outside my window I won't see a gang of heavily armed 16-20 year old thugs that would just as soon shoot me and rob me than look at me.

If I want to move out of this neighborhood and go live somewhere nicer I can with minimal to no sacrifice.

So yeah, make fun of my culture and social class all you want. Chances are I have it better than you. And I know I have it better than 100% of everyone living in some government sanctioned ghetto. So fucking think about it before you ask someone to "get over it" and "you should be able to laugh at yourself" when someone else makes fun of their unfortunate circumstances in life.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 9, 2003, 5:39 pm

That's where you and I disagree to an extent. I also feel that people start off short handed in life when brought up in these neighborhoods, that's not even arguable. Where we disagree is that where you see a 25 year old drug dealer who grew up in 'unfortunate circumstances', I see a 25 year old adult that has just made bad choices.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 9, 2003, 5:46 pm

yeah, he should have worked harder and gotten all A's in school and gone to university and made something of himself.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 9, 2003, 5:52 pm

You are trying to be a smart ass but you are actually 100% right. Even with economic disadvantages that he started off with, he can still become a productive member of society even without a degree. Him choosing to be a drug dealer is not society at large's fault my girl.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 9, 2003, 6:35 pm

No, it's not, but some little 13 year old kid getting shot by that drug dealer while waiting for the school bus... well that is society's fault.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 9, 2003, 7:17 pm

Sueven wrote:No, it's not, but some little 13 year old kid getting shot by that drug dealer while waiting for the school bus... well that is society's fault.

I thought it was the fault of the company that made the bullets, the gun store that sold them, and George W. Bush because he hasn't personally gone into every gang HQ and taken their AK-47s away from them...

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 9, 2003, 7:26 pm

It's also Ronald Reagan's fault, just for the hell of it.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » October 9, 2003, 7:46 pm

And the Danes... must blame the Danes.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 9, 2003, 7:48 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:You are trying to be a smart ass but you are actually 100% right. Even with economic disadvantages that he started off with, he can still become a productive member of society even without a degree. Him choosing to be a drug dealer is not society at large's fault my girl.

totally man they should totally just get over themselves and totally get a job.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 9, 2003, 8:06 pm

It's an all or nothing deal... why the hell would you want to stop dealing crack to get paid $5/hour at Burger King...

It's the same reason cigarette taxes are not higher, they know they could tax the shit out of smokers and they'd keep lining up, but you start making them $20/pack and see how fast the black market fills the void...

Legalise drugs, all drugs, make them cheap and easily available.

Legalise whorehouses, with strict regulation of what the madams/pimps can make off the girls, and inspect them regularly.

Train people in the appropriate use and storage of guns, for free, before they're allowed to own them.

Put more government money into slums/school and less into jailing drug abusers and whores. If I had to live in a shit hole I'd probably prefer the crack pipe to reality too.

Of course... there will always be poor people and rich people, but the current social program in the US is patently not working, but you hang in there ...

Silvarel Mistmoon · Post by **Silvarel Mistmoon** » October 10, 2003, 12:33 am

I honestly don't give a fuck about crackeropoly or redneckopoly or white trashopoly or anything else because I'm not that easily offended. I'm not that easily offended about my race because I was born into an upper middle class environment where I have never personally encountered racism directed at me once in my entire life. I have never been stereotyped because of my race and I was not raised in an environment where absolutely no advantages for me to succeed exist.

The schools I went to were above average for north american schools and with my grades and participation in extra activities I could have very easily gotten into any non-ivy league university I wanted to go to. And if my parents wouldn't have paid for it (they would have), because of the social class I was born into, it would have been sickeningly easy to secure a student loan and lived on that.

Nobody particularly close to me has ever been shot in a gang war, deals drugs, is in prison, or has been on welfare almost their entire life. Neither the house I was raised in nor the house I live in now has bars on the windows to keep people out. If I look outside my window I won't see a gang of heavily armed 16-20 year old thugs that would just as soon shoot me and rob me than look at me.

If I want to move out of this neighborhood and go live somewhere nicer I can with minimal to no sacrifice.

So yeah, make fun of my culture and social class all you want. Chances are I have it better than you. And I know I have it better than 100% of everyone living in some government sanctioned ghetto. So fucking think about it before you ask someone to "get over it" and "you should be able to laugh at yourself" when someone else makes fun of their unfortunate circumstances in life.

Well Damn you must have grown up in Dallas or like the white folks on Dynasty.
If I am not mistaken its been stated on this board you are a white female that dates Blake males. If this is true then I can bet you a dollar that you have been called a whore, white trash, trailer trash, niger lover and several other names that will all fit in the racist hated statements.

But of course from your post you never ever had to deal with anything but pretty pictures in your life time. Thank God that the Brown man as you call them has you in their corner fighting for them, because we are all sure you feel their pain.
Oh but wait.............. you had a peachy white life like Lucy on Dallas!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 10, 2003, 12:54 am

Yeah that is really relavent to the topic of the thread you deluded fucking weirdo.

Way to miss my entire point.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » October 10, 2003, 6:46 am

If this is true then I can bet you a dollar that you have been called a whore, white trash, trailer trash, niger lover and several other names

Read back through the history of this forum and you'll find the evidence.

I'm so glad we have still more people joining the "ignore the issue and try to have a go at Kyoucan" bandwagon. Still, you seem to be made of the right stuff.

VariaVespasa · Post by **VariaVespasa** » October 10, 2003, 7:39 am

Actually last I heard Kyoukan is a Vancouver girl, and we dont do that racist/white trash thing much around here, so in point of fact she probably hasnt been called nasty names about her current main squeeze. Canada is mostly a polite society. I'm sorta wondering where you live that Kyoukans description of a mildly priviledged lifestyle makes you think of Dallas though.... Oh dear oh dear oh dear....

*Hugs*
Varia

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 10, 2003, 8:41 am

she's probably still in awe of all them rich texas folk thar on that thar television box. obviously the tv leaves a pretty indelible impression on the stupid white trash. I can almost imagine her sitting there scratching her head and wondering who shot JR.

and yes I have been called every slur in the book by people around me. I don't really give a fuck what anyone beneath me thinks (though you'd hardly guess it when I respond to the fucking wastes of internet on this forum).

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 10, 2003, 8:50 am

kyoukan wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:You are trying to be a smart ass but you are actually 100% right. Even with economic disadvantages that he started off with, he can still become a productive member of society even without a degree. Him choosing to be a drug dealer is not society at large's fault my girl.
totally man they should totally just get over themselves and totally get a job.

Precisely. If my parents can do it, why can't they. Oh that's right, my parents CHOSE to do so. Listen, you can piss and moan your entire life about how bad you got it and use that as an excuse to sell drugs, or you can be productive, it's up to you obviously. They are not being forced to sling dope, no matter how much bullcrap you are shovelling on this board. I lived the lifestyle too, I just never crossed the line and did anything illegal. I made that decision. You cannot blame everything on the man. There needs to be accountability somewhere and at some point in their drug dealing lives. The fact that you are making excuses for drug dealers is pathetic and shows the depths you will sink to just to disagree with me, you surely cannot really believe what you are typing. And to the person that made the comment about a 13 year old being shot in a drive by, you are right, I am not arguing that at all. How about refuting the points I bring up instead of ones I agree with.

We agree that at the core of all this is a fundamental problem, you focus on excuse making and I focus on productivity.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 10, 2003, 9:34 am

yeah man you are so right. why don't they all go to college and get good jobs??

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 10, 2003, 9:56 am

So you do have an open mind.

Silvarel Mistmoon · Post by **Silvarel Mistmoon** » October 10, 2003, 10:18 am

Do you really believe that in certain races of people the entire group goes to college lives in a nice place and never has hard times?

These games are just the same things that comedians on TV and in the clubs say about their own race. There are a lot of people that believe humor is a tool to get past issues of race.
Of course the clergy are not going to like it, they don't like what the comedians joke about either.
I have heard a lot of Black people say when jokes like these are made about Black people it leads others to believe that all Black people live like this. I certainly understand that statement because I have seen it.
When the media only protrays Black men as gang members or as drug dealers or as killers or show them as dead bead fathers then people over time start to believe it.
Instead of helping the media point out nothing but negatives about certain races trying thinking of the positives, and the progress that they have made. You would be surprised if you would open your eyes and see the whole picture.
Being negative constantly does nothing but bring those you are being negative about down further.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 10, 2003, 10:27 am

You talking to me?

Is this game a good idea? No. Is it funny? Sure is.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 10, 2003, 11:39 am

I wasn't trying to respond or argue with you specifically, Krimson. I was just pointing out that it's hard to work hard and get a good job when you're dead.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 10, 2003, 11:48 am

Hehe how can I disagree with that. I was kind of being a smart alek, apologies my man.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » October 10, 2003, 1:47 pm

I happen to know a 29 year old mother of two, who has managed to get a bachelors while taking care of her children and doing 40 hour weeks at a shitty paying job.

Technically when she was 24 with 2 kids she should have been a failure by Kyoukans example, instead she is a great success. She gave up on having new cars and 5 TV's in the house, sacrificed some glitter, and now is on her way to being extremely sucessful.

For every loser out there blaming race, there is a successful man or woman who ignored it and owned.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » October 10, 2003, 1:59 pm

Kylere it is the fault of society. No one is able to rise above their station in life so I call bullshit on your story.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 10, 2003, 2:18 pm

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » October 10, 2003, 4:11 pm

I'm curious what "race" the guy who made this game is...

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » October 10, 2003, 4:36 pm

Marbus wrote:I'm curious what "race" the guy who made this game is...

I believe that the guy is named Michael Chan or something of the sort. The last name led me to believe that he was of asian decent.

*edit*

Copyright © 2002, 2003. Ghettopoly.com. Saint Mary's, PA. All Rights Reserved.
Ghettopoly, Ghettopoly a Stolen Property Fencing Game, Hoodopoly, and Redneckopoly are
Trademarks of Ghettopoly.com owned by David T Chang, Saint Mary's, PA. All Rights Reserved.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » October 11, 2003, 12:14 am

It's interesting that... well some people are probably too young to remember this but there was a time not so long ago that the term "made in japan" was pretty much the same as peice of shit. No one wanted anything from Japan or China because nothing they made was worth having due to the poor quality. However today, a mere 30 or so years later almost the exact opposite is true. At the time many people of Asian decent were poor a living in ghettos, hell they were imprisioned during WWII with all their shit taken away and had to start over.

When I was growing up in Fort Smith, the Army base there, Fort Chaffie, was where they brought all the people who fled Veitnam. I remember that initially there were a lot of Asians in the lower class neighborhoods scraping by, living with 10-12 people in a house just to survive. When I return today there is a thriving Asian community and many of the larger local businesses are Asian owned.

Funny thing is... those people really didn't get a lot of affermative action, they worked for it, learned English and became American citizens because they had lived through shit and wanted something better for themselves and their children.

Working with the gangs in Little Rock years ago I met a lot of families trying to do better trying to get out of the system for something better. Working multiple jobs, going to night school, babysitting for a friend so they could go to school... those people did get better jobs and moved on up. The system wasn't giving them anything extra, in fact it was giving the money they could have used to the mom on crack with her 10th child.

Race matters in that a larger percentage of Hispanic and Black children are born into poverty. However in my personal experiences I have never seen one of them who tried to make a better life for themselves, really try, fail. I did see a lot of Nintendo playing though while jobs within' walking distance stood unfilled.

These statements aren't an opinion, they are facts I witnessed firsthand. Take them for what you will. I personally believe in people, no matter what their race, creed or religion. If only some people would believe in themselves... maybe that is where the true affermative action needs to take place... then they wouldn't have to worry about "anyopoly." I know a good number of Black ministers, the ones I know have been preaching the message try harder for year, and a good number of people listened. I'll bet this is the same message many of those complaining above preach as well. If only they could get more people to listen, this game wouldn't even exist.

Marb

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » October 11, 2003, 12:57 am

IF there was a spicopoly with Rauls Pallella(sp) store and a conquistador colony or a bullfighter ramming club, or a "smoke hash with your local cop, gain 10 charisma" card etc i really wouldnt give a shit or be offended

im sorry but if anyone is offended over stupid shit like this they are ashamed of there backround/race/nationality and really insecure with themselfs
now to go do something...

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 11, 2003, 3:24 am

Listen, you can piss and moan your entire life about how bad you got it and use that as an excuse to sell drugs, or you can be productive

are you implying that selling drugs is not productive?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 11, 2003, 8:12 am

Sellings drugs does not make someone a productive member of society when the person is in and out of jail because of it. Not everyone gets caught, so in a twisted way, I suppose they could be productive, but I am not going to go so far as to give it my blessing as you will no doubt do. Everyone I have known in the ghetto that sold drugs has been to jail for it at least once, but they are all black too. I actually don't know of any of my white friends that have spent any time in jail for the same thing, but then they don't live in the ghetto and sell it which paints a bulls-eye on their chest to the cops. Xyun I was really using that as an example of someone that chooses the easy road that leads to nowhere or just plain gives up, instead of working for what they want. Your Nintendo example fits right in there, along with hanging out on the corner all day long, robbing people, dropping out of school to do absolutely nothing all day, getting drunk/high every day. People making a decision to fail instead of making a decision to try harder. I know you've sold drugs before (seemed more like recreation for you though the way you explain it), but if I am not mistaken, you are pretty successful, so you are an example of someone that even though they have not made stellar decisions in the past, can still better themselves instead od giving up and blaming society and the man.

I like the example you gave for the Asian community. It's a perfect example and reinforces my opinion on this matter.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 11, 2003, 9:17 am

people are oftentimes products of their environment. I guess you could blame the human race for being that way but you're just swinging the pendulum of responsibility in the opposite direction of people who think that minorities and other poor classes of people are getting an unfair shake at life. I just happen to believe that society as a whole would benefit if less people lived in poverty and destitution and I am willing to make small sacrifices to try and help them out.

and no for a lot of people there is absolutely no way out of the ghetto they live in. I wish I lived in your fantasy world where we lived in a culture were the proportion of effort you put into raising yourself in life directly reflects how well you do, but that's not how it works. people who living in impoverished areas have less advantages, poorer schools, more crime, and are usually discriminated against because of their race by a large section of the population. yes I am sure everyone has an anecdotal example of their uncle's friend's neighbor's cousin's boyfriend who worked 10 jobs while raising 14 kids while attending college and are now CEOs of fortune 500 companies, but economically speaking people from underpriviledged communities have a marked amount of fewer advantages than people that don't.

my previous post is an example of this; were I still single I would still consider myself to be quite successful and I barely had to put any effort at all into it. Is it because I am naturally smarter or more charismatic than poor people? not really. do I work harder? fuck no. I spend half my time at work trying to get out of the other half. I had every opportunity and advantage handed to me growing up: stable family, great schools, money for everything I needed. I learned the skills I needed to learn and I learned how to conduct myself properly and I did this totally effortlessly.

your argument is tantamount to saying that every person living in a low income "ghetto" is there because they won't work hard enough to get out of the ghetto. that enrages me. it enrages me almost as much as some middle class white shitfucker on this forum telling impoverished minorities to "get over themselves" and to just "work harder" while their parents/student loan pay their way through college or have some faggot IT job they landed because they took the 6 week course at compu college and knows a guy that knows a guy that's hiring for their company.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 11, 2003, 10:01 am

Nah, I'm w/ Marb. The asian people are much more together in a real sense and help each other out, honestly, you see homeless WHITE people all the time in Canada (and the US) when's the last time you saw a homeless Asian?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 11, 2003, 11:07 am

kyoukan wrote:people are oftentimes products of their environment. I guess you could blame the human race for being that way but you're just swinging the pendulum of responsibility in the opposite direction of people who think that minorities and other poor classes of people are getting an unfair shake at life. I just happen to believe that society as a whole would benefit if less people lived in poverty and destitution and I am willing to make small sacrifices to try and help them out.

and no for a lot of people there is absolutely no way out of the ghetto they live in. I wish I lived in your fantasy world where we lived in a culture were the proportion of effort you put into raising yourself in life directly reflects how well you do, but that's not how it works. people who living in impoverished areas have less advantages, poorer schools, more crime, and are usually discriminated against because of their race by a large section of the population. yes I am sure everyone has an anecdotal example of their uncle's friend's neighbor's cousin's boyfriend who worked 10 jobs while raising 14 kids while attending college and are now CEOs of fortune 500 companies, but economically speaking people from underpriviledged communities have a marked amount of fewer advantages than people that don't.

my previous post is an example of this; were I still single I would still consider myself to be quite successful and I barely had to put any effort at all into it. Is it because I am naturally smarter or more charismatic than poor people? not really. do I work harder? fuck no. I spend half my time at work trying to get out of the other half. I had every opportunity and advantage handed to me growing up: stable family, great schools, money for everything I needed. I learned the skills I needed to learn and I learned how to conduct myself properly and I did this totally effortlessly.

your argument is tantamount to saying that every person living in a low income "ghetto" is there because they won't work hard enough to get out of the ghetto. that enrages me. it enrages me almost as much as some middle class white shitfucker on this forum telling impoverished minorities to "get over themselves" and to just "work harder" while their parents/student loan pay their way through college or have some faggot IT job they landed because they took the 6 week course at compu college and knows a guy that knows a guy that's hiring for their company.

Does Marbus' Asian community example enrage you too for this same reason, or does it enrage you due to the fact that it totally proves you wrong? I have no doubt that you will research some reason as to why the Asian scenario that Marbus posted is worlds apart from the black ghettos that we currently have, and should not be compared. I'm waiting. I KNOW why they are different, and it's WORK ETHIC. The majority of the black community that resides in the ghetto (the ghetto) have a poor work ethic, and have no desire to succeed, where the Asian community was a total 180 after WWII. tell me I'm wrong, I lived there. The only ghetto you have seen is in the movies or what you read in your to the left news sites.

-edit- nm, wrong person.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » October 11, 2003, 3:00 pm

In regards to my previous post I think I should add that Krimson hit what I was alluding to right on the head. Work ethic is a big part of it and I have seen it make a difference in the black community as well.

The question to be asked however isn't is one race better or more skilled but why do people have different work ethics? My opinion is our society. While I'm white so I can not understand what it's truly like I can speak on what I have seen and been told by many different people living both in and out of impoverished communities.

IMHO the past 40 years have brought both exhuberance and shame to many black individuals. While Dr. King's movement really helped push equil rights, many people in power (hence white males) didn't want that to happen, no matter what political stance they took (the ole' kissing baby's for the camer while stealing their lollypops). Rather than truly making everyone equil they created, along with some misguided black leaders, a culture of dependency. Not on drugs or anything else but on welfare and the "plight of the black man." Through years "education" our young black children have been taught that society owes them something, that they were wronged and if they are impoverished it's not their fault but the fault of someone else.

I see this same mentality in many others today as well, no matter what their race etc... Nothing is every their fault, part of it I blame on the proliferation of Psychology (hence why I dropped Med School and didn't become a Psychiatrist). Many therapist teach this culture of dependency rather than liberation. I'm this way because a) my parents didn't love me enough b) the color of my skin c) I'm fat d) I'm ugly e) I'm not smart enough f) I wasn't given a good education etc... etc... etc...

What makes a difference in EVERY area of someone's life no matter their situation - poor, rich, white, black, yellow etc... is desire and belief in yourself. Kyoukan is correct a lot of her assumptions. She has it better because she believes in herslef, hell you can tell that from how she stands her grounds on these posts. But Kyoukan you have to believe that these kids can make something better. While very few exceptions every person, child or adult, I've ever met who believed in themselves that they could change or do better - did it. Whether that is getting a better job, loosing weight of finding true love. If you can't first think of yourself in high regard, how the hell can you ever expect anyone else too. Did they fail from time to time? Yes, but they got up and kept trying, and kept trying each time they got knocked down.

If anyone wants to help any impoverished group, volunteer to be a big brother or sister. Spend some time with the youth and teach them that they CAN do whatever they want and be whatever they want and to be proud of whever they do. Teach them to love and forgive other AND themselves when they make mistakes and you will see a change in the next generation.

While I think the game above is funny due to it's paraody and I believe you can make fun of anything. As I stated above the fact that it goes against my preceeding paragraphs is why the Black ministers are against it... and in my heart I guess I should be too.

Marb

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 11, 2003, 5:26 pm

so black people living in ghettos in the united states among priviledged whites is an identical situation to poor asians living in asia, and the reason that black people are forced to live in ghettos is because they have no worth ethic. and also, there are no poor asians because they have a strong work ethic. ok I guess that pretty much ends the thread because I am not going to waste my time arguing against such a fucking moronic position.

yeah tell us all about how you worked your way out of the ghetto krimson. you were there man; someone like me would never understand.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 11, 2003, 5:30 pm

now we're getting somewhere with you, and thanks for not responding anymore with your ignorant posts. Your argument on this thread has been a joke anyway. Fighting my logic with your emotions will have you on the losing end everytime. adios.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 11, 2003, 11:26 pm

but economically speaking people from underpriviledged communities have a marked amount of fewer advantages than people that don't

Correct, but fewer opportunities does not = no opportunities.

Glad to hear things were that easy for you Kyou. I wish it were that way for everyone. Still, it's hard to feel a lot of empathy for someone who sits down and cries when things are tough when you yourself put forth the effort to get ahead.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 11, 2003, 11:40 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:now we're getting somewhere with you, and thanks for not responding anymore with your ignorant posts. Your argument on this thread has been a joke anyway. Fighting my logic with your emotions will have you on the losing end everytime. adios.

nice edit. must be tough squeezing two whole thoughts out your brain at one time. exactly what logic are you employing in this thread?