Canadian engineer unfairly deported to Syria comes home

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 8, 2003, 11:52 am

Roman Morroni Deported to Romania
Says he's not from there

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » October 8, 2003, 11:52 am

Fallanthas wrote:Hey dumbass.

Read the information. Canada is responsible for him being on the goddamn list.

IF that is true how does that change anything I just said?

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 8, 2003, 11:57 am

You mean aside from the "There goes America bashing the arabs again" insinuation?

Try this on for size. The man in question actually IS involved with Al Quaeda. We send him back to Canada. A year later he is caught and charged. Canada thanks the United States for sending them a suspected terrorist.

Spin that one up once.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » October 8, 2003, 12:03 pm

I don't know why I bother with the US hating fnord sometimes

Hey shit for brains, you're the ones who can't bear to see your holy country criticised in any way shape or form. There isn't a single fucking discussion that involves the US here that doesn't end up with you numbskulls turning it into a blanket "with us or against us" waste of fucking time.
Next time something like this comes up try and entertain the possibility that your country and its people might just be fallible on occasion.
Try.
Just.
Once.
Then maybe we'll get some discussion of the real issues instead of your usual shrill dickwaving and simplistic generalisations.

Try this on for size. The man in question actually IS involved with Al Quaeda. We send him back to Canada. A year later he is caught and charged. Canada thanks the United States for sending them a suspected terrorist

Or how about we don't cos it's straw man and a compete waste of fucking time?

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 8, 2003, 12:10 pm

And you know that for a certainty.

If so, how about you ask the Canadian goverment why they were concerned enough about the guy to forward information on him in the first place?

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » October 8, 2003, 12:20 pm

Fallanthas wrote:You mean aside from the "There goes America bashing the arabs again" insinuation?

Try this on for size. The man in question actually IS involved with Al Quaeda. We send him back to Canada. A year later he is caught and charged. Canada thanks the United States for sending them a suspected terrorist.

Spin that one up once.

Actually I made no mention that can be read as an insinuation of "There goes America bashing the arabs again".

I will bash (and did - it was the point of the post since you seem to have missed it) the US for bringing "terrorism" down to the same stupid fear inspired level of the Salem and McCarthy witch hunts.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » October 8, 2003, 12:25 pm

Forthe is obviously a card-carrying member of Al-Qaeda and needs to be liberated.

Fizzlewhip · Post by **Fizzlewhip** » October 8, 2003, 12:29 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Fizzlewhip wrote:By the way. I happen to date a "sand nigger" and I find that term offensive. Please refrain from using it.
what are you, some kind of terrorist?

I find that statement offensive and repugnent, and rather hypocritical of you, (after all you got offended at what's his name for similar type of statements). All I have asked is that you not use that type of term, and now will ask you to keep your flippant remarks to yourself with regards to this. It isn't funny and really does make you look bigotted.

FYI, no. I am not. But i don't feel the need to justify myself to the likes of you.

The attitude in America concerning Arab-americans is different in different parts of the country. I would not be surprised that the NY area is hypersensitive about them. But that attitude is not prevalent across the whole of the United states. People need to realize that, and try not to paint people with a broad brush.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 8, 2003, 12:43 pm

Hell it justifies attacks against sovereign nations and full-blown invasions. No proof required.

This refers to what?

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » October 8, 2003, 1:04 pm

Fallanthas wrote:
Hell it justifies attacks against sovereign nations and full-blown invasions. No proof required.
This refers to what?

There goes America bashing the arabs again?

Maybe, if you have adopted a defensive stance and loose your ability to read print.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 8, 2003, 1:07 pm

print = less than half the conversation. You made an inference and got called on it, bub. Deal.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » October 8, 2003, 1:14 pm

Fallanthas wrote:
Hell it(1) justifies attacks against sovereign nations(2) and full-blown invasions(3). No proof required.
This refers to what?

1) The previous sentence.

Yes suggesting someone is *suspect* of being a terrorist justifies anything and everything

2) Israel attacking Syria.

3) US invading Iraq.

Edit: I swear to fuck if you ask for more clarification than this yer going on ignore for excess stupidness.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 8, 2003, 1:24 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
Since he doesn't appear to be wearing a turban in the photo on the web site, one can assume he's not a funamentalist
Cos Turban = fundamentalist??? Pity the Sikhs who live near you. . .

I still don't see any source telling us what caused him to be under suspicion. And I still don't see any good reason being offered for him being sent to Syria.
You rag on Kyoucan for being a "canadian patriot" while also thrashing non-stop to ensure you don't have to entertain the idea that an american official mgith have fucked up. It's astonishing.

Kelshara wrote:
Since he doesn't appear to be wearing a turban in the photo on the web site, one can assume he's not a funamentalist,
That says it all right there..

You ignorant, politically correct, poor bastards.

Fundamentalism (n)

1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.

ALL I said was that Kelshara's little rant that "he must have been deported because he was wearing a turban" was unlikely because the people that wear turbans at all around nervous Americans are required to wear them all the time. Yes, they are Sikhs, thanks for reminding me.

Fundamentalism != Terrorism, gain some of the knowledge you claim to have and stop watching TV for 5 minutes.

Oh, and AGAIN, I never ragged on Kyoukan. If you can't be bothered to read the thread, or at least the reply where I explain that Kelshara in his lazy ass ranting misquoted me, then piss off and do something constructive. Talk to Xzion about that, not me.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 8, 2003, 1:46 pm

And which country was involved int he act in question, Forthe?

See, I didn't need you to spell this out until you started backpedalling. Now you are going to explain your reference and I am going to cram down your throat the fact that the US did NOT blacklist this guy, Canada did. The very same country that the resident brainchild is suggesting he should have been sent back to !

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » October 8, 2003, 1:53 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
I don't know why I bother with the US hating fnord sometimes
Hey shit for brains, you're the ones who can't bear to see your holy country criticised in any way shape or form. There isn't a single fucking discussion that involves the US here that doesn't end up with you numbskulls turning it into a blanket "with us or against us" waste of fucking time.
Next time something like this comes up try and entertain the possibility that your country and its people might just be fallible on occasion.
Try.
Just.
Once.

I can find plenty of things to bash my country and its government about. Maybe when you can stop blaming the US for every goddamn thing that happens in any part of the globe, THEN we can have a rational discussion. There is a group of you that can pin fault on the US for anything that happens anywhere at any time. When was the last time you fucktards saw one of us "rednecks lets roll!!11!" people start a topic about the faults of Canada or the UK? We sure as fuck could make plenty, but we don't feel the need to go out looking for things to criticize you over. The fucking UK is reponsible for more strife over the last two centuries than any civilization since the Roman fucking Empire, yet we don't bother. Stick your self righteous inbreeding head up your own arse and keep talking out it.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » October 8, 2003, 2:00 pm

Fallanthas wrote:And which country was involved int he act in question, Forthe?

See, I didn't need you to spell this out until you started backpedalling. Now you are going to explain your reference and I am going to cram down your throat the fact that the US did NOT blacklist this guy, Canada did. The very same country that the resident brainchild is suggesting he should have been sent back to !

How\where did I backpeddle? Quote please.

Canada blacklisted him? Source please. All I have is personal suspicions.

Did Canada request that the US deport him to Syria and then log a complaint against it?

He should have been sent back to Canada in any case. Sending him to Syria is FUBAR. And you know it.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 8, 2003, 2:08 pm

In November, 2002, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell told Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham that, not only did they suspect Arar as an al Qaeda agent, but the information had come from Canadian intelligence sources.

Subsequently, it became apparent Arar had been under RCMP watch for more than a year.

No doubt.

And judging by his evasive answer CSIS was probably involved.

Recoignize those? The man was suspected of terrorist activity. The Canadian government made that determination and passed along information to that effect to the United States.

Of course the US would return him to Canada. And of course the Canadian authorities who made sure his name was on the list would have no objections to him coming back!

Wake up man.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » October 8, 2003, 2:08 pm

I can find plenty of things to bash my country and its government about

But the rest of us are not allowed to breathe a negative word? K.

Maybe when you can stop blaming the US for every goddamn thing that happens in any part of the globe, THEN we can have a rational discussion. There is a group of you that can pin fault on the US for anything that happens anywhere at any time

Check the things that have been discussed at length here recently:
Iraq War. US to blame? Check.
Saddam Hussein in power. US to blame? Check.
Al-Qaeda and the ride of fundamentalism. US to blame? Check.
Israel. US to blame? Check.

I could go on. I'm not laying the blame _entirely_ at the US's door but your influence is there for all to see in all of these instances. Your country has systematically interfered in the political process of many countries and regions around the globe since the end of WW2 yet you all seem to be reluctant to face this fact. Because you're "the good guys" and can do no wrong? Fucked if I know. . .

When was the last time you fucktards saw one of us "rednecks lets roll!!11!" people start a topic about the faults of Canada or the UK?

Apart from the "Canadian justice" one?

We sure as fuck could make plenty, but we don't feel the need to go out looking for things to criticize you over

No but then we don't stomp around the world like we own the place or see ourselves as the lone fucking ranger cleaning up town. Nor do we seek to extend undue influence around the world. Nor do we see a threat everywhere we look and over-react by starting wars. You repeatedly stick your head over the parapet and, well shit, people notice.

The fucking UK is reponsible for more strife over the last two centuries than any civilization since the Roman fucking Empire, yet we don't bother

Since 1803 the UK has been the cause of what global strife? Enlighten me.

Stick your self righteous inbreeding head up your own arse and keep talking out it

Oh noz the inbreeding barb. I am distraught.

Venti · Post by **Venti** » October 8, 2003, 2:16 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
I can find plenty of things to bash my country and its government about
But the rest of us are not allowed to breathe a negative word? K.

Maybe when you can stop blaming the US for every goddamn thing that happens in any part of the globe, THEN we can have a rational discussion. There is a group of you that can pin fault on the US for anything that happens anywhere at any time
Check the things that have been discussed at length here recently:
Iraq War. US to blame? Check.
Saddam Hussein in power. US to blame? Check.
Al-Qaeda and the ride of fundamentalism. US to blame? Check.
Israel. US to blame? Check.

I could go on. I'm not laying the blame _entirely_ at the US's door but your influence is there for all to see in all of these instances. Your country has systematically interfered in the political process of many countries and regions around the globe since the end of WW2 yet you all seem to be reluctant to face this fact. Because you're "the good guys" and can do no wrong? Fucked if I know. . .

When was the last time you fucktards saw one of us "rednecks lets roll!!11!" people start a topic about the faults of Canada or the UK?
Apart from the "Canadian justice" one?

We sure as fuck could make plenty, but we don't feel the need to go out looking for things to criticize you over
No but then we don't stomp around the world like we own the place or see ourselves as the lone fucking ranger cleaning up town. Nor do we seek to extend undue influence around the world. Nor do we see a threat everywhere we look and over-react by starting wars. You repeatedly stick your head over the parapet and, well shit, people notice.

The fucking UK is reponsible for more strife over the last two centuries than any civilization since the Roman fucking Empire, yet we don't bother
Since 1803 the UK has been the cause of what global strife? Enlighten me.

Stick your self righteous inbreeding head up your own arse and keep talking out it
Oh noz the inbreeding barb. I am distraught.

So is it safe to say that the international association of V.V. post hounds will be starting a worldwide movement to promote human rights and bring to justice the imperial elitists? If so, I will anxiously wait to see who you would chose as spokes person.

If the above doesn't materialize I suppose we can always look forward to more of your intuitive posts here as an effective means of changing the world!

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » October 8, 2003, 2:23 pm

So is it safe to say that the international association of V.V. post hounds will be starting a worldwide movement to promote human rights and bring to justice the imperial elitists? If so, I will anxiously wait to see who you would chose as spokes person.

If the above doesn't materialize I suppose we can always look forward to more of your intuitive posts here as an effective means of changing the world!

That's an awful lot of words for an ad hominem attack. Why not just stick to calling me a liberal asshat and have done with it?

This is a discussion board where people have discussions. It's not going to change the world. But if I manage to bring a little perspective to the proceeding and challenge some of the bullshit spewed here that's victory enough for me.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » October 8, 2003, 3:02 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
So is it safe to say that the international association of V.V. post hounds will be starting a worldwide movement to promote human rights and bring to justice the imperial elitists? If so, I will anxiously wait to see who you would chose as spokes person.

If the above doesn't materialize I suppose we can always look forward to more of your intuitive posts here as an effective means of changing the world!
That's an awful lot of words for an ad hominem attack. Why not just stick to calling me a liberal asshat and have done with it?

This is a discussion board where people have discussions. It's not going to change the world. But if I manage to bring a little perspective to the proceeding and challenge some of the bullshit spewed here that's victory enough for me.

I post here for entertainment not to change the world.

But exposing people, including myself, to different views even if they don't agreee with them isn't a bad thing.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 8, 2003, 3:20 pm

Fizzlewhip wrote:I find that statement offensive and repugnent, and rather hypocritical of you, (after all you got offended at what's his name for similar type of statements). All I have asked is that you not use that type of term, and now will ask you to keep your flippant remarks to yourself with regards to this. It isn't funny and really does make you look bigotted.

FYI, no. I am not. But i don't feel the need to justify myself to the likes of you.

The attitude in America concerning Arab-americans is different in different parts of the country. I would not be surprised that the NY area is hypersensitive about them. But that attitude is not prevalent across the whole of the United states. People need to realize that, and try not to paint people with a broad brush.

Hey Abdul, go back to China.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 8, 2003, 3:46 pm

Forthe wrote:
vn_Tanc wrote:
So is it safe to say that the international association of V.V. post hounds will be starting a worldwide movement to promote human rights and bring to justice the imperial elitists? If so, I will anxiously wait to see who you would chose as spokes person.

If the above doesn't materialize I suppose we can always look forward to more of your intuitive posts here as an effective means of changing the world!
That's an awful lot of words for an ad hominem attack. Why not just stick to calling me a liberal asshat and have done with it?

This is a discussion board where people have discussions. It's not going to change the world. But if I manage to bring a little perspective to the proceeding and challenge some of the bullshit spewed here that's victory enough for me.
I post here for entertainment not to change the world.

But exposing people, including myself, to different views even if they don't agreee with them isn't a bad thing.

I even change my opinion from time to time from the debates I engage myself in on this forum. If everyone agreed with me on every topic, what fun would that be anyway.

Fizzlewhip · Post by **Fizzlewhip** » October 8, 2003, 5:04 pm

whatever bigot

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » October 8, 2003, 5:07 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
When was the last time you fucktards saw one of us "rednecks lets roll!!11!" people start a topic about the faults of Canada or the UK?
Apart from the "Canadian justice" one?.

I AM CANADIAN!!1!! (beer joke there)

I made that post, so your point is not relevant.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » October 8, 2003, 5:08 pm

Fizzlewhip wrote:whatever bigot

fuck you towelhead!

what the hell are you so offended about?

weak.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » October 8, 2003, 5:08 pm

blah.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 8, 2003, 5:10 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:Check the things that have been discussed at length here recently:
Iraq War. US to blame? Check.
Saddam Hussein in power. US to blame? Check.
Al-Qaeda and the ride of fundamentalism. US to blame? Check.
Israel. US to blame? Check.

If I am not mistaken the UK played a major part in the Iraq war.
Al-Qaeda is not our fault.
Israel I can't disagree with, while we aren't totally at fault, we damn sure aren't helping matters at all.

Here is a quick question Tanc. How are you going to criticize us for putting Saddam in power, then criticize us for taking him out of power? Very simply put, we realized our mistake and corrected it. We went about it all wrong, agreed, but it is stupid to make that argument.

Fizzlewhip · Post by **Fizzlewhip** » October 8, 2003, 5:16 pm

{deleted further explanation is useless}

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » October 8, 2003, 5:28 pm

Fizzlewhip wrote:
I was talking to Kyoukan first of all.

I do not like the term sand nigger (or nigger for that matter)

for the edification of that bigot, I will let her know that I am of the other race and demographic which she hates so much (yes, middle class white).
Is it too hard to understand? I doubt I could make it any clearer.

I was talking to Kyoukan first of all.

Your posting on a fucking forum, for everyone to read. If it's just for her, send a PM. Next.

I do not like the term sand nigger (or nigger for that matter)

Yes, offfensive, but only when charged with hatred. Do you really think Kyoukan is a racist for simply using the word? *yawn*. Next.

for the edification of that bigot, I will let her know that I am of the other race and demographic which she hates so much (yes, middle class white).

Yeah, she's a bigot alright. Just for using a word. (sounds lame, huh?) Thinking like that is a cause of the oh-so-annoying runaway politcal correctness that's been sweeping the nation for years now. Your white middle class? What the hell do you have to be so offended about over the word "sand nigger" anyway?

Fizzlewhip · Post by **Fizzlewhip** » October 8, 2003, 5:35 pm

{deleted again, skogen just isn't worth my time}

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » October 8, 2003, 5:44 pm

Fizzlewhip wrote:{deleted again, skogen just isn't worth my time}

oh man, and I missed it!?

I wonder what wonderful nuggets of wisdom were in there...