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Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » October 4, 2003, 8:03 am

There have been several programs on T.V recently that I've seen about racism, and the post in the current events about that printer which got me to thinking.

Someone can be sacked from work for disparaging remarks and other offensive acts to people of other cultures, sexual preference and so on.

However, can someone be fired for being a racist/homaphobe, yet not voicing anything in work. Maybe by being an activist after hours.
If so, does this not take away some of our human rights to our own opinion.

Just something I've been turning over in my head, thought I could get some info from you lot.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 4, 2003, 10:03 am

Thought and action are two different things. There is no possible way for anyone to infringe on your ability (right) to think what ever it is you want to think. When you express your thoughts is when you step into the realm of consequences.

Drolgin Steingrinder · October 4, 2003, 10:05 am

What's that old saying?

"Your right to extend your fist ends the moment it touches my face."

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 4, 2003, 10:10 am

I don't think that's the question being asked.. more like:

Can you work politely with black people and still be openly the Grand Wizard of your local chapter of the KKK?

Personally I don't like your chances of anyone believing you didn't call someone something racist if they claimed you had, so they will likely be fired.. well, unless they think you will DO something, in which case it might never come up regardless.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 4, 2003, 11:53 am

Thought and action are two different things. There is no possible way for anyone to infringe on your ability (right) to think what ever it is you want to think. When you express your thoughts is when you step into the realm of consequences.

Hello pre-emptive strikes!

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 4, 2003, 12:07 pm

Kelshara wrote:
Thought and action are two different things. There is no possible way for anyone to infringe on your ability (right) to think what ever it is you want to think. When you express your thoughts is when you step into the realm of consequences.
Hello pre-emptive strikes!

Shh, we'll get into the whole confusing debate where Americans think a) their laws apply universally, b) their military follows any law at all (domestic or international), c) there might be some truth to the effectiveness of foil hats in deflecting the government's mind probes.

EDIT: for clarity.. (yes, it was worse!)

Truant · Post by **Truant** » October 4, 2003, 1:27 pm

Cotto, if the company was made aware of your after hours activism, yes you would be sacked (99% of the time) because they are afraid of the image you will be reflecting on their company.

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » October 6, 2003, 10:04 am

Cotto wrote:There have been several programs on T.V recently that I've seen about racism, and the post in the current events about that printer which got me to thinking.

Someone can be sacked from work for disparaging remarks and other offensive acts to people of other cultures, sexual preference and so on.

However, can someone be fired for being a racist/homaphobe, yet not voicing anything in work. Maybe by being an activist after hours.
If so, does this not take away some of our human rights to our own opinion.

Just something I've been turning over in my head, thought I could get some info from you lot.

Your "human rights to our own opinion" does not include the right to work for a particular company.

As a result, you have a right to your opinion and they have a right to fire you.

Obviously, it isn't that simple because there are a lot of laws in most countries detailing under what circumstances an employee can and cannot be fired, but that is the basic idea of it.

You can have whatever opinion you like, but you are responsible and accountable for having it provided that accountability doesn't violate your rights.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » October 6, 2003, 11:47 am

If you made it openly known you were the grand wizard of the KKK, but tried to work politely with the black guy in the next cubicle...you can be rest assured he will make something up to get your ass fired.

So whether the company would fire you or not is moot, because the company won't know you were being polite....they will just know that based on your after hours reputation and the word of that black man that if they don't fire you they are going to get a nice hefty lawsuit filed against them by the black man.

I'm not sure I'd harbor bad feelings against the black man for his actions either. Normally I really hate liars, but I don't think I'd want to work in a cubicle next to someone who hates me just because of my skin color.

Problem is if you were really KKK grand wizard and a black man got you fired....he has pretty much written himself a contract with the KKK to get his ass beaten really bad for making up lies (on top of already being black which had you pissed off to begin with) and his immunity is gone once you got fired.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » October 6, 2003, 7:18 pm

In order to join the KKK the initiation should have to be that you get dropped off, in full KKK robes and hood in the middle of the harlem projects, and you have to survive for 3 weeks

Eleani · Post by **Eleani** » October 7, 2003, 3:12 am

Cotto wrote:However, can someone be fired for being a racist/homaphobe, yet not voicing anything in work. Maybe by being an activist after hours.

Personally... as much as I wish we could all be cute, cudly and lovey-lovey... (i.e respectful and courteous to all)... I know its not going to happen... so I feel that everyone is entitled to their own hates, likes and dislikes deserves to excercise their liberty in the privacy of their own mind =)

Just don't try and force your hate on me and we're kosher.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 7, 2003, 11:26 am

Post by **Xouqoa** » October 7, 2003, 12:03 pm

I never understood why such a *cough* brave group of devout Christians needed to wear sheets in order to make their views known. Can you possibly get much stupider?

On the other hand, the Jerry Springer shows where he had KKK and Black Panther members on were just excellent. So much ignorance packed in such a small space should almost certainly have caused a breach in the retard-stupidity continum. (I'm sure I spelled that wrong, sorry Star Trek geeks.)

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » October 7, 2003, 12:13 pm

Xouqoa wrote: On the other hand, the Jerry Springer shows where he had KKK and Black Panther members on were just excellent. So much ignorance packed in such a small space should almost certainly have caused a breach in the retard-stupidity continum. (I'm sure I spelled that wrong, sorry Star Trek geeks.)

Damn, I hope you were careful! Could you feel yourself getting dumber from just listening to them?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » October 7, 2003, 2:08 pm

retard-stupidity continum. (I'm sure I spelled that wrong, sorry Star Trek geeks.)

Duuurrrrr it's "continuum"! You have the brains of a Pakled.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » October 7, 2003, 3:07 pm

If you made it openly known you were the grand wizard of the KKK, but tried to work politely with the black guy in the next cubicle...you can be rest assured he will make something up to get your ass fired.

Damn but you are so worldly and wise, Pils. I wish I knew what everyone else on the planet was thinking/would do... it would make my life easier.

Has it ever occurred to you that making such sweeping assumptions about what the "black guy in the next cubicle" would do is every bit as ignorant as those sheep fucking sheet wearers? Some people believe in trying to educate those ignorant fucks, as hopeless as it appears to me. Also, it wouldn't be only the black guys: I'd be tempted to see if MY Anglo-Germanic descended ass could get a KKK fuckhead removed as well...

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » October 7, 2003, 3:38 pm

I often tell my friends after they trip over themselves trying to tear someone else down with profanity riddled diatribes .. 'its easier to just say you hate them'.

Hating does not make one necessarily ignorant. It sometimes means you've just grown tired of listening to the other side of the argument. nothing new or fresh has come from a specific viewpoint .. blah blah blah .. I hate you, go away.

Life is good. Anything that makes life bad needs to be quashed. If someone persist to make my life less good - I hate them.

Simple philosophy...

Melrin_Specclaster · Post by **Melrin_Specclaster** » October 7, 2003, 6:29 pm

I'm gonna cross a few lines here I'm sure.

Saying racism is wrong I can go for, as a concept, but you can't blame some people that act it. People that live in the 'happy nobody ever shit on me life' havent been raised with it, around it, been a victim of it, or part of it, cant really talk realistically on the subject.

But yes, companies can fire you for certain after hours activities.

And to comment on one of the pics, I'm proud of the Confederate flag and I do not (like most people) consider it some screaming agreement of slavery. Most people that fly it (or try till some PC fucker tries to tell them not to) are just proud Southerners.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 8, 2003, 1:35 am

Melrin_Specclaster wrote:And to comment on one of the pics, I'm proud of the Confederate flag and I do not (like most people) consider it some screaming agreement of slavery. Most people that fly it (or try till some PC fucker tries to tell them not to) are just proud Southerners.

Proud of what, exactly? That's what I don't get, I hear that argument often enough and I don't really understand what there is to be proud of. The fact that you guys wanted slaves badly enough that you were willing to break off into your own country of New Slavestan? Or the fact that you lost the ensuing war?

Take South Carolina wanting to fly it over their state buildings, or whatever they were going for. While the symbol itself isn't inherently evil, and I understand that not everyone who likes it can be a total racist, it certainly has quite the stigma attached to it. It parallels if there were a State or Federal building in Germany that someone wanted to fly a Swastika over. I would find that more outrageous but in the same vein.

"We're proud of our Nazi heritage. Sorry about all that stuff that happened under the banner of der Hakenkreuz, it won't bother you if we fly it in rememberance of how bravely we fought, will it? Honestly, the Jews are cool with us!"

Does that illustrate it any better? Perhaps I'm looking at it in the wrong light, but that's the way I see defense of the Confederate flag and I think that's why so many people take issue with it. Please, elucidate me.

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