Also, I expect this to boost Gamecube past PS2 this Christmas.Holy Fuck! Gamecube 99.99
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Holy Fuck! Gamecube 99.99
Well, this is definately going to get bought soon as Mario Kart comes out. That way all the previous good games will be 20 bucks. Also, I expect this to boost Gamecube past PS2 this Christmas.
Also, I expect this to boost Gamecube past PS2 this Christmas.Fuck Michigan!
This is a desperation move by Nintendo. Sure they might sell a few more but this will not supplant xbox or ps2 from their dominance above them. Fact of the matter is that gamecube has no good games that don't also appear on xbox or ps2. Gamecube is primarily for young kids not for adults who play the most in my opinion.
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you're a total moron.Deward wrote:This is a desperation move by Nintendo. Sure they might sell a few more but this will not supplant xbox or ps2 from their dominance above them. Fact of the matter is that gamecube has no good games that don't also appear on xbox or ps2. Gamecube is primarily for young kids not for adults who play the most in my opinion.
super smash bros: melee, mario kart: double dash (november), f-zero fx, mario sunshine, metroid prime, to name a few.
ff: crystal chronicles due out soon, too.
gamecube rocks, I use my ps2 as a dvd player now. Notice how all the xbox/ps2 good exclusives are moving to PC? GTA:Vice City, Halo, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic... I really see no reason to own an Xbox anymore. PS2 is arguable.
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That is obviously the reason that Gamecube is second in gross sales under ps2, right? Also why they dominate every holiday season right? X-box is shit. Pure and simple shit. They have been out for 2 years and I can count the amount of great games on one hand. Sure, X-Box may be the best out there, but when no developers make games worth playing, it turns it to shit. You know how bad it is when the collective nation of X-Box owners can do nothing but praise the day of Halo 2 as the second, third, and fourth coming of Christ.Deward wrote:This is a desperation move by Nintendo. Sure they might sell a few more but this will not supplant xbox or ps2 from their dominance above them. Fact of the matter is that gamecube has no good games that don't also appear on xbox or ps2. Gamecube is primarily for young kids not for adults who play the most in my opinion.
As for good games on Gamecube, Legend of Zelda, Mario Sunshine (apparently vastly underrated, even by me), Metriod Prime, and Smash Brothers are winning awards like crazy. Don't even get me started on Mario Kart.
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man I love my xbox.
My gamecube on the other hand has 4 games. RE and RE0, Pikmin and Animal Crossing. The rest of the library of titles can lick my crack as far as I'm concerned.
I guess its all a matter of taste but another mario and another zelda game where you do the exact same fucking things you did in mario and zelda games on the NES get a tad old. metroid would have been an ok game if I was into playing a scanning simulator; since fully 90% of the time I played that game was spent moving from room to room scanning 10 dozen different things. the other 10% was spent holding the lockon button down and mashing that big stupid fucking green button. gee a first person shooter with lockon auto aim. way to sap out all the fun out of anything, nintendo.
Gamecube is hardly even worth $99. The only thing good about it over xbox is that its small and cute where my Xbox is half the size of my car and weighs 350 lbs.
My gamecube on the other hand has 4 games. RE and RE0, Pikmin and Animal Crossing. The rest of the library of titles can lick my crack as far as I'm concerned.
I guess its all a matter of taste but another mario and another zelda game where you do the exact same fucking things you did in mario and zelda games on the NES get a tad old. metroid would have been an ok game if I was into playing a scanning simulator; since fully 90% of the time I played that game was spent moving from room to room scanning 10 dozen different things. the other 10% was spent holding the lockon button down and mashing that big stupid fucking green button. gee a first person shooter with lockon auto aim. way to sap out all the fun out of anything, nintendo.
Gamecube is hardly even worth $99. The only thing good about it over xbox is that its small and cute where my Xbox is half the size of my car and weighs 350 lbs.
My xbox is an Atari 2600 through Play Station (not 2) console emulator, DVD player, network enabled Divx/Xvid/mpg/avi/ogg/mp3/shoutcast/picture(jpg/gif/bmp/png, etc) media player, and a few other things I'm not proud of!
But I stray from the original topic - a 99$ gamecube makes me see having one soon, especially with game prices dropping, and a large selection of used games at the local retailers.
But I stray from the original topic - a 99$ gamecube makes me see having one soon, especially with game prices dropping, and a large selection of used games at the local retailers.
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if you were walking around and you came upon a tulip with tits, would you let it be for the rest of the world to enjoy.. or would you pick it and carry it off to a secluded area to motorboat them?
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Gameboy Advanced is 2nd in gross sales.Zamtuk wrote: That is obviously the reason that Gamecube is second in gross sales under ps2, right? Also why they dominate every holiday season right?
Gameboy Advanced dominate sales for Nintendo.
Gamecube sales were HALF of what was expected for last year (5.6 million compared to the 10 to 12 million they were expecting to sell).
X-Box is 2nd in the next gen console market for gross sales.
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In accordance with what Pyrella said, the true power of the Xbox shows itself when you use it for more than just a Console system. =) But that's questionable as far as the legality of it, and it's not for the average user. I think MS would sell a lot more of them if they would just enable it to do all that stuff without having to 'hack' it to do so.
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Leaving you with basically a PC. I believe the whole point was to have it boxed up and not just another PC. Especially a low priced pc. Computer manufacturers weren't too happy with that idea.I think MS would sell a lot more of them if they would just enable it to do all that stuff without having to 'hack' it to do so.
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I haven't booted my PS2 in months. Two hours into Vice City was the last time it happened. There's just nothing that has really grabbed me.
My GameCube took a pounding during Metroid (which was fun despite the autoaim. Don't be fooled - it's a platform puzzler not an FPS) but again it's been sitting there since half way through Zelda. Neither of the current Mario and Zelda games are as good as the N64 ones although they do have touches of genius and look utterly fantastic (especially Zelda). Nintendo's blatant assfucking of the PAL and European market hasn't helped them. It gave them a small profile early in the platform's life and a lot of global publishers are european. Due to this the GC has basically been given the Saturn treatment. More and more big companies are quietly ditching the GC.
In favour of the Xbox which is just mind-boggling but has a lot to do with MS being very good at playing the corporate game and pushing the right buttons with dipshit execs, and of course has pissloads of cash to throw around securing "exclusives". I expect MS to almost completely take over the console industry in the next few years due to the disagraceful state of the games industry in general. Easy prey if they just spot one or two more of the available openings.
I don't own an Xbox but I will when the reasonably sized ones are released. I'm the kind of gamer who's happy to drop a hundred notes for hardware just to play 2 games and I defintely need to see more of KOTOR and Orta. But if you own an XBox and don't have it chipped, cracked, 200Gb HD installed and filled to the brim with the N64 library and crazy mame shit, you're doing it wrong.
My GameCube took a pounding during Metroid (which was fun despite the autoaim. Don't be fooled - it's a platform puzzler not an FPS) but again it's been sitting there since half way through Zelda. Neither of the current Mario and Zelda games are as good as the N64 ones although they do have touches of genius and look utterly fantastic (especially Zelda). Nintendo's blatant assfucking of the PAL and European market hasn't helped them. It gave them a small profile early in the platform's life and a lot of global publishers are european. Due to this the GC has basically been given the Saturn treatment. More and more big companies are quietly ditching the GC.
In favour of the Xbox which is just mind-boggling but has a lot to do with MS being very good at playing the corporate game and pushing the right buttons with dipshit execs, and of course has pissloads of cash to throw around securing "exclusives". I expect MS to almost completely take over the console industry in the next few years due to the disagraceful state of the games industry in general. Easy prey if they just spot one or two more of the available openings.
I don't own an Xbox but I will when the reasonably sized ones are released. I'm the kind of gamer who's happy to drop a hundred notes for hardware just to play 2 games and I defintely need to see more of KOTOR and Orta. But if you own an XBox and don't have it chipped, cracked, 200Gb HD installed and filled to the brim with the N64 library and crazy mame shit, you're doing it wrong.
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Why would I want to do that when I can just buy an emu and gamepad for my PC?vn_Tanc wrote:But if you own an XBox and don't have it chipped, cracked, 200Gb HD installed and filled to the brim with the N64 library and crazy mame shit, you're doing it wrong.
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So far, I haven't opened the case to my Xbox, and haven't bought any extra equipment for it. I still use my PC for pc games, but there's something to be said for being able to sit on the couch and play emu'ed games from any system or access any share on my network to play mp3s through my stereo or watch divx/avi/mpeg movies on the bigscreen. No way I could live without my Xbox anymore.masteen wrote:Why would I want to do that when I can just buy an emu and gamepad for my PC?vn_Tanc wrote:But if you own an XBox and don't have it chipped, cracked, 200Gb HD installed and filled to the brim with the N64 library and crazy mame shit, you're doing it wrong.
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I just don't need a cube. I think it's funny how some folks get so defensive about this crap, I see it more in disgruntled nintendo fans more than anyone else though. I just wonder how many people can only own a cube in this generation. There's so much shit not reaching the platform, it's nuts.
Fucking stupid and stubborn of Nintendo as the hardware design was a masterpiece (although the controller is teh suk). Their gouging got them what they deserved, 3rd place. From being on top of the world to third fucking place. But hey, they're profitable right?
Just don't need a cube. The whole nintendo experience wore thin around the same time I stared at the pitiful waste of money that was the n64
Fucking stupid and stubborn of Nintendo as the hardware design was a masterpiece (although the controller is teh suk). Their gouging got them what they deserved, 3rd place. From being on top of the world to third fucking place. But hey, they're profitable right?
Just don't need a cube. The whole nintendo experience wore thin around the same time I stared at the pitiful waste of money that was the n64
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There's a very good reason that every time the Nintendo product du jour has been brought up during the last two generations of gaming consoles, it has been associated with the term 'kid's games'. It's not due to people being dicks, or stupid etc. It's entirely due to two words: Poor Marketing.
Whether or not you want to admit it, the Nintendo product has been marketed to kids since its inception. While this worked well 15 years ago when it was only Nintendo and Sega vying for power, companies like Sony and Microsoft realized that the people with money are in a slightly older demographic, and that's where they directed their monies and their marketing focus.
I've seen the GC, seen some of the games and they look impressive, I have friends that absolutely rave about the GC. However, there's a good reason why every time the GC comes up in casual conversation you hear things like, 'for kids', or 'kids games' and it's not because people are being dicks.
Whether or not you want to admit it, the Nintendo product has been marketed to kids since its inception. While this worked well 15 years ago when it was only Nintendo and Sega vying for power, companies like Sony and Microsoft realized that the people with money are in a slightly older demographic, and that's where they directed their monies and their marketing focus.
I've seen the GC, seen some of the games and they look impressive, I have friends that absolutely rave about the GC. However, there's a good reason why every time the GC comes up in casual conversation you hear things like, 'for kids', or 'kids games' and it's not because people are being dicks.
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Not exactly correct. The demographic shifted as we (the first generation raised with video games) aged. Back in 1980, there wasn't a huge market in the 19-34 age group for video games.Aranuil wrote:Whether or not you want to admit it, the Nintendo product has been marketted to kids since it's inception. While this worked well 15 years ago when it was only Nintendo and Sega vying for power, companies like Sony and Microsoft realized that the people with money are in a slightly older demographic, and that's where they directed their monies and their marketing focus.
ATM, there isn't a huge market in the 50+ age group for video games, but guess what? When we're that age there will be. In fact, I bet that as more of us get our kids out of the house, our consumption of games will grow even larger.
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I see your point, and definitely agree, but I'd add to it that Sony and to a lesser extent Microsoft recognized this, and shifted their licensing and marketing to target us, the generation that grew up on video games. I am of the opinion that Nintendo didn't and they continued to license games for kids, and market toward kids, and that's why they're in third place instead of first.masteen wrote:Not exactly correct. The demographic shifted as we (the first generation raised with video games) aged. Back in 1980, there wasn't a huge market in the 19-34 age group for video games.
ATM, there isn't a huge market in the 50+ age group for video games, but guess what? When we're that age there will be. In fact, I bet that as more of us get our kids out of the house, our consumption of games will grow even larger.
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I loved Mario Kart.... that is about it for N64 though...never tried GameCube, even though they had rights to Resident Evil...best game series ever... /sniff....
And.... PS controllers > ALL controllers.... I would buy a XBOX if it had a controller like the sleek PS/PS2 controller...
And.... PS controllers > ALL controllers.... I would buy a XBOX if it had a controller like the sleek PS/PS2 controller...
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Controllers are just a matter of familiarity. Ive been using GC pads for so long PS2 pads feel weird. I've got giant gorilla hands so the Xbox controller is the best for me ergonomically.
After many years of being a nightmare, the Nintendo platform and submission processes are now the best of all the hardware vendors but developers have long memories. Getting a game published on the PS2 or Xbox is a fucking nightmare of corporate shitwhoring and pointless hoop-jumping. Sony can get away with it becuase they own the market. WTF M$ are playing at I have no idea. Either way it feels to me like Sony and M$ are in a fight over who's the best and it's got more to do with the money theyre spending than the quality of the products. If it carries on I predict another major shift in power in the industry when the next generation of consoles arrives.
I also predict a lot of developers getting sick of their bullshit. It's getting very close to too expensive to develop for the PS2 and it gets exponentially worse when Sony threaten to waste more of your company's time. The same applies to microsoft.
As an illustration here's what you need, per person, to develop a PS2 game. Price in UK£.
PS2 Dev Tool : £10-12,000
PS2 Test Station: £600
PS2 dev environment and debugger: £6000
A PC to run it all on: £1000
PC software (Dev studio, sourcesafe, server licences etc): £600
TV: £200
A lead will also need:
Sony CD Burner: £1000 (I shit you not this is how much the official ones cost and theyre the only ones Sony will accept)
Over £20k per person on your team before theyve done a damn thing. Then Sony reserve the right to accept or deny your project _for any reason_ both at the beginning and end of its dev cycle. Their approval process can also take a few weeks, during which time you're still paying your teams.
I can't see many companies continuing in this industry when you have to spend so much money to have so little control over your destiny. This is how Nintendo used to operate, it got them screwed during the N64 era and theyve mended their ways.
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After many years of being a nightmare, the Nintendo platform and submission processes are now the best of all the hardware vendors but developers have long memories. Getting a game published on the PS2 or Xbox is a fucking nightmare of corporate shitwhoring and pointless hoop-jumping. Sony can get away with it becuase they own the market. WTF M$ are playing at I have no idea. Either way it feels to me like Sony and M$ are in a fight over who's the best and it's got more to do with the money theyre spending than the quality of the products. If it carries on I predict another major shift in power in the industry when the next generation of consoles arrives.
I also predict a lot of developers getting sick of their bullshit. It's getting very close to too expensive to develop for the PS2 and it gets exponentially worse when Sony threaten to waste more of your company's time. The same applies to microsoft.
As an illustration here's what you need, per person, to develop a PS2 game. Price in UK£.
PS2 Dev Tool : £10-12,000
PS2 Test Station: £600
PS2 dev environment and debugger: £6000
A PC to run it all on: £1000
PC software (Dev studio, sourcesafe, server licences etc): £600
TV: £200
A lead will also need:
Sony CD Burner: £1000 (I shit you not this is how much the official ones cost and theyre the only ones Sony will accept)
Over £20k per person on your team before theyve done a damn thing. Then Sony reserve the right to accept or deny your project _for any reason_ both at the beginning and end of its dev cycle. Their approval process can also take a few weeks, during which time you're still paying your teams.
I can't see many companies continuing in this industry when you have to spend so much money to have so little control over your destiny. This is how Nintendo used to operate, it got them screwed during the N64 era and theyve mended their ways.
Rant off
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Well, you'd know the deal Tanc. I think it would be pretty cool to see Nintendo cuff Sony and MS in the gut if they deserve it. It's certainly not going to happen in this generation but it's pretty amazing that we're only ~2 years away from holiday season 2005 already. Isn't that the time frame follow-up systems are shooting for?
I can't even think of where they're going to go from here as most of the shit out now would look far better if not for my crappy tv. I mean, aren't there already games that push hdtv resolutions? How many people even have hdtv's right now?
Well, you'd know the deal Tanc. I think it would be pretty cool to see Nintendo cuff Sony and MS in the gut if they deserve it. It's certainly not going to happen in this generation but it's pretty amazing that we're only ~2 years away from holiday season 2005 already. Isn't that the time frame follow-up systems are shooting for?
I can't even think of where they're going to go from here as most of the shit out now would look far better if not for my crappy tv. I mean, aren't there already games that push hdtv resolutions? How many people even have hdtv's right now?
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Nope, I'll go one better. Xbox in 1080i high def on 57" wide screen is much love. I have PS2 and GC, and Xbox is the best in my opinion. It's a Sony TV though, they should take a cue from MS and only let the PS2 work on it. 
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feh, I still use a 25 in RCA TV I purchased back in '91. So S-video, no component, nothing. Sad part is, my wife NEVER watched TV before we got together roughly 3 years ago so she had a pos 19 incher w/ no cable, 2 channel tv.
We agreed that when we finally move from the condo into a house I can upgrade, otherwise, there's really no room for anything bigger.
Seriously, what's the penetration rate of hdtv's? Am I really that far behind the standard?
We agreed that when we finally move from the condo into a house I can upgrade, otherwise, there's really no room for anything bigger.
Seriously, what's the penetration rate of hdtv's? Am I really that far behind the standard?
Unlike cars, the size of your tv shows how hung you are.Chidoro wrote:Seriously, what's the penetration rate of hdtv's? Am I really that far behind the standard?
HDTV's are affordable now, they just have better HDTV's taking up the higher price bracket.I think it will be several years before HDTV is really affordable to the masses. My buddy had a huge HDTV tv and the games did look pretty awesome on it. I am stuck with a 4 year old 34 inch. It is passable but until I can get a 40+ inch for under $300, my wife won't be letting me upgrade.
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Jeez, that's a lot of money for a tv. I might go as high as $500 for a new one, we just don't watch it enough to really make that much of a difference.Canelek wrote:The 32" and 36" Sony WEGA HDTV are around $1200 and $1800 retail. I really dig the picture on these. A friend of mine has the 32" and XBOX games look amazing!
How much better can video game systems get if tv's become the limiting factor?
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I'm considering a GameCube this winter.
But I only want 3 games...Zelda, FF:Crystal Chronicles, and Metroid Prime.
I might not buy it though....it gives me a headache just looking at the cables on the back of my TV....Xbox, PS2, Cable, Surround sound, CD, DVD, MP3, VCR....doesn't sound like much until you try and plug it all in. It took me like 6 hours of work to get it set-up like this...and I still can't get surround sound on the Xbox or PS2...or S-video on anything (stupid switch box limitations).
I think I should put a sign on my entertainment center that you can't touch it until I give you a weekend long seminar on how to use it. Things have just gotten more and more complex as I added more items into the chain.
But I only want 3 games...Zelda, FF:Crystal Chronicles, and Metroid Prime.
I might not buy it though....it gives me a headache just looking at the cables on the back of my TV....Xbox, PS2, Cable, Surround sound, CD, DVD, MP3, VCR....doesn't sound like much until you try and plug it all in. It took me like 6 hours of work to get it set-up like this...and I still can't get surround sound on the Xbox or PS2...or S-video on anything (stupid switch box limitations).
I think I should put a sign on my entertainment center that you can't touch it until I give you a weekend long seminar on how to use it. Things have just gotten more and more complex as I added more items into the chain.
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