There's a new zerg in town

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 1, 2003, 9:32 am

How about this one:
"It's my Elemental(s) and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to.."

I just find it funny that anyone from Fiends honestly thinks that people from FS give a shit what they think of us. I'm not dissing your accomplishments, just that you hold as much relevance as a gnome at a Linebacker's convention.

We've allready agreed that zerging + flag mobs is not equal to the old rules of Teh Dreaded CT Zerg. The majority of these people at these raids for the actual fights themselves have either been mostly FS or an even split down the center. Could we take these mobs down every night on our own? Probably not. Once or twice a week? Yeah, probably. Is doing this doing much more than shortening us from taking 4 months for elementals down to a week? Not really. It allows FS and PD to get targets in the elementals and we've got a great working relationship setup so far.

I'm so sorry for the guilds who's action we're going to cut into in the Planes. So sorry, many tears, blow yourselves a new one. You guys whine more than a maternity ward 9 months after a major war has been signed to peace.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » October 1, 2003, 9:55 am

Akaran_D wrote:How about this one:
"It's my Elemental(s) and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to.."

Blech. Certainly more appropriate, but blech

Fovol · Post by **Fovol** » October 1, 2003, 9:58 am

Akaran_D wrote:I just find it funny that anyone from Fiends honestly thinks that people from FS give a shit what they think of us.

I just find it funny that you find any sense of pride in your slaying of these flagging mobs.

Valkeria · Post by **Valkeria** » October 1, 2003, 10:08 am

I liked that post Akran

Suppin you commenting on anything to do with skill is laughable at best go back to the bazaar and sell crap tis what you are good at. Xyun, I rarely listen to lower life forms such as yourself so go slink off and think of ways to evolve to perhaps pond scum. FS has every right to take pride in killing the damn mobs and if you dont like it tough titty. Its a fucking game grow the hell up or just go and suck on your pacifiers and take your own advice and shut the hell up.

Proctus · Post by **Proctus** » October 1, 2003, 10:14 am

Sargeras makes a good point about the pros and cons from the viewpoint of a PD member. Let's also add into the fact that as a PD member, you are splitting the number of loots you used to get down the center with Farstorm. There are a few Cons, that's for sure. But the Cons come with constant raiding, and that's been our focus for the last month at least...

Just think what would happen if we didnt' ally....

That's right, nothing ^.^

*insert witty quote by someone famous like Abraham Lincoln*

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 1, 2003, 10:31 am

Fovol.. when I find life defining pride in beating mob X in a game.. I will retire, and re-evaluate my life.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » October 1, 2003, 10:43 am

Hell FS should take pride in the accomplishments as should PD. The accomplishment I speak of is the ability to put aside petty issues such as loot and bragging rights to simply get shit done.

Way to go FS/PD props for working your shit together.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » October 1, 2003, 11:37 am

Samila wrote:OMG! A new zerg force? Shameful!

P.S. - Sovereign is looking for applicants!
P.P.S - Someone is going to kick mah ass for this post!

Comparing Ixtlan\Legion to this new alliance is apples and oranges. Ixtlan\Legion have always used low *combined* numbers (aside from the CLIT).

Sam recruiting on VV? You are a brave man.

cid · Post by **cid** » October 1, 2003, 1:15 pm

Samila wrote:OMG! A new zerg force? Shameful!

P.S. - Sovereign is looking for applicants!
P.P.S - Someone is going to kick mah ass for this post!

Winnow would veto me because I

Emmitt

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » October 1, 2003, 1:48 pm

suppin wrote:
Valkeria wrote:Fiends would fall apart before even RZTW and look where they are now. Not always a good thing to jump to conclusions
Actually, we were told we couldn't kill emp...

---

Thing is, what it comes down to Farstorm does not belong in elementals. I mean you're even comparing backflags from CD/FoH/CoE to what you're doing. Aint it the "rule" though that ya don't backflag a guild that hasn't done it themselves?

Valkeria wrote:FS just didnt sit there while PD killed it and handed them the flags they were part of the raid and killed the mob together.

Of course not, they added #'s to the Zerg... DUH

Xyun wrote:shut the fuck up, bitch.
Please.

God you are such an idiot

Tinkin Tankem · Post by **Tinkin Tankem** » October 1, 2003, 2:19 pm

Drinsic Darkwood wrote:We need someone to try to add RZ or MM to FS's kills on BKL~ that'd be great.

Seriously though since there was a combined effort to take down the flag mobs by both FS and PD why haven't they posted it? Is there a feeling of guilt behind such an action

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 1, 2003, 2:26 pm

I never asked it to be posted becaus elast i checked, the rules for getting the kill awarded to you was if it was a single guild takedown.

Correct?

Topper · Post by **Topper** » October 1, 2003, 3:25 pm

Fovol wrote:
Akaran_D wrote:I just find it funny that anyone from Fiends honestly thinks that people from FS give a shit what they think of us.
I just find it funny that you find any sense of pride in your slaying of these flagging mobs.

what the fuck have you been smoking? Where has anyone bragged about anything fovol?

You sir, are a dumbass

Tinkin Tankem · Post by **Tinkin Tankem** » October 1, 2003, 3:27 pm

Syndaen Crystalthorn
Peacemaker

Joined: 03 Jul 2002
Posts: 114

VVs: 46
Items
Donate
Posted: July 9, 2003, 4:53 pm Post subject:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gotta make a stand somewhere, so here it is.

To get a slot on the Big Killers, you have to:

1. Be an actual guild, with tags

2. Have a website

3. Not take credit for previous, non-guilded, achievements

4. Impart some kind of trust in your reports. Screenshots work well.

Hope this clears things up. No offense to Fiendclub, I just gotta actually see some tags and kills before I add you to the list.
_________________
Syndaen Crystalthorn <-- Magelo Profile
Lord Protector of Tunare
Knight of Truth
Lesbian Avenger

Syndaen Crystalthorn
Peacemaker

Joined: 03 Jul 2002
Posts: 114

VVs: 46
Items
Donate
Posted: May 8, 2003, 7:04 pm Post subject:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I allow allied kills.
_________________
Syndaen Crystalthorn <-- Magelo Profile
Lord Protector of Tunare
Knight of Truth
Lesbian Avenger

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » October 1, 2003, 3:31 pm

Fesuni Chopsui wrote:
suppin wrote:
Valkeria wrote:Fiends would fall apart before even RZTW and look where they are now. Not always a good thing to jump to conclusions
Actually, we were told we couldn't kill emp...

---

Thing is, what it comes down to Farstorm does not belong in elementals. I mean you're even comparing backflags from CD/FoH/CoE to what you're doing. Aint it the "rule" though that ya don't backflag a guild that hasn't done it themselves?

Valkeria wrote:FS just didnt sit there while PD killed it and handed them the flags they were part of the raid and killed the mob together.

Of course not, they added #'s to the Zerg... DUH

Xyun wrote:shut the fuck up, bitch.
Please.
God you are such an idiot

Jesus you are such a moron.

Haehaehehae my flaming skills are so 1337

zenoran · Post by **zenoran** » October 1, 2003, 3:50 pm

I think this whole thing is very interesting and I'm just wondering what's going to happen once all this flagging is done? Whether you feel it's "right" or "wrong" based on the traditional backflagging "understood" rules is irrelevant honestly. People/guilds do what they want when they want and Veeshan has always been known for guilds bein' asses to each other and no one really respecting each other. Unlike some other servers where guilds are actually on spawn cycles and take turns. hehe.

My big question is what's going to happen once this massive force (2 rather large guilds) is in Elemental planes? Yes, you can skip VT but the fact is most people use VT to equip a lot of people really quick. I'm sure PD already realizes this, but do you guys know how rare as hell drops are in Elementals compared to VT? Granted, PD is already VT-equipped but you know they're nutting over elemental loots so they're going to definetely want the majority of them. Where does that leave FS? You're going to spread out Elemental loots between 2 guilds raiding together? What is that? Like 180+ people? What is that loot ratio?

I dunno... that just doesn't compute but I could of course be missing something. Fiends has moved up rather quickly but we're at a halt right now because we need specific elemental loots to be able to defeat the Elemental Gods in our path to Time. It's hard enough equipping 70ish people but 180ish?! I'm just wondering if anyone from FS or PD has thought about this.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » October 1, 2003, 3:51 pm

You realize that FS has been gearing up in VT just like PD has?
Not sure where the PD has VT items comment comes from.
FS had cleared VT completely before there was even a sniff of an alliance.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » October 1, 2003, 3:57 pm

All this zerg bashing is horse shit. FS/PD are making the same exact arguments that the CLIT did when they took their first 100 man kill team to kill AOW. But now that argument carries no weight? If some of those same FS people applied to LegionXtlan would they suddenly possess the skill and have earned their right to be backflagged? I for one find these criticisms an act of sheer hypocracy considering Sov's roster lists them with an active membership of 91. It is certainly far more likely that the anger and resentment here comes from the fact that PS/FS will probably get a larger slice of the elemental loot wagon, which will probably come at the expense of later logging guilds such as Sov.

You might be able to kill elemental gods with 50-60 now (perhaps less in certain cases), but you have also been farming mold droppers and Fennin for a while and we all know everything gets easier after you have done it once and come back after some farming. Its also equally certain that you will find the means to produce 72 or more people for Rathe Council (and Time after that) the first few times you bang your heads against it. Finally, everyone knows the kind of burnout POP generates. FS/PD will be fortunate to have half of their combined roster left by the time they get to doing Rathe and I think I can confidently say that Sovreign and Fiends people will have zero problem having apps and alts mooch backflags from PD/FS. So drop all the posturing, please. POP takes numbers and about 4-5 people who actually know whats going on in the fight; the rest is all fluff or cannon fodder.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 1, 2003, 4:02 pm

For us, the Rallos Zek event took the most work of any obstacle we have yet to face. I would say that Rathe will be harder, but that remains to be seen.

i'm not saying Rallos is harder than an elemental god. cause he's easy.

i'm saying for a guild that is pre-elemental, it is harder for them to get past the Rallos phase than it is for a guild that is now 'ready' to go for Fennin to kill him.

for those of us who really busted ass to get elemental access, it does kind of suck to see dozens and dozens of people flagged for it simply to be another guild's zergs. I have a problem with that.

RZ is a huge progression step. huge. i am sure Farstorm would have eventually gotten through RZ. I think they would have enjoyed the game more if they did it without being shepperaded through.

When we beat RZ, it was one of the highlights of my 4 years in EQ. It was up there with stuff like first Dracoliche killing, etc. It was cool as hell =). I'm glad we did ours the way we did.

POP takes numbers and about 4-5 people who actually know whats going on in the fight; the rest is all fluff or cannon fodder.

i can see how you would come to this conclusion when you get all your flags from a guild who has been in the elementals for 6 months prior. don't lecture us on what it takes to progress. you simply don't have firsthand experience.

zenoran · Post by **zenoran** » October 1, 2003, 4:05 pm

Jice Virago wrote:POP takes numbers and about 4-5 people who actually know whats going on in the fight; the rest is all fluff or cannon fodder.

I disagree with this. I honestly think Elementals is the first time in EQ you're actually required to be a smart player or you either die constantly or wipe your entire raid. You can sometimes fix this by adding maybe 4 people for every 1 smart player (hence zerging) but chances are, teh wins are always a gamble.

4-5 people knowing what's going on is good for leading the others but if you're completely clueless as how to play your class you're not going to last long in Elementals. I take that back, if you don't know how to play your class VERY well, you have no business being there... Anyone can get flags but the true test is how you perform on mini's, rings, and Gods in elementals.

I take Dust for example... everyone HAS to be paying attention. Assist heals, CC, offtanking, assisting, and where the hell the melee are. 2k+ Riposte/Enrage off trash mobs will wipe 20+ people instantly if they're not paying attention.

Adds... offtanking... CC... omg where's my mana? need more mana! Need more hp! hence, where equipment comes in... I dunno.. I think there's a blance to all of this..

I think the natural progression SoE set out is there for a reason. When you "cheat" the system I think you'll be in for a surprise. When FS gets pissed at PD for hogging all the loots and they give each other the finger what're they gonna do then?

*shrug* Only time will tell I guess..

suppin · Post by **suppin** » October 1, 2003, 4:07 pm

Fesuni Chopsui wrote:
suppin wrote:
Valkeria wrote:Fiends would fall apart before even RZTW and look where they are now. Not always a good thing to jump to conclusions
Actually, we were told we couldn't kill emp...

---

Thing is, what it comes down to Farstorm does not belong in elementals. I mean you're even comparing backflags from CD/FoH/CoE to what you're doing. Aint it the "rule" though that ya don't backflag a guild that hasn't done it themselves?

Valkeria wrote:FS just didnt sit there while PD killed it and handed them the flags they were part of the raid and killed the mob together.

Of course not, they added #'s to the Zerg... DUH

Xyun wrote:shut the fuck up, bitch.
Please.
God you are such an idiot

Good comeback... wait, where did anyone ask for your useless comments?

----

Valkeria wrote: Its a fucking game grow the hell up or just go and suck on your pacifiers and take your own advice and shut the hell up.

Sabek wrote: Suppin don't you have some super new leet scam to spend the next month and a half spamming every zone you walk into about? I would think "protecting people from scams" would be a higher priority than giving two shits about what another guild does.

To Valkeria and Sabek:

Fuck you, seriously if you have such a big hang up about me and can remember back to what? Half a year ago? You needa grow the fuck up, seriously. I've been playing for a year, and only have been in a "real guild" for the last 3 months. Heh, you're such a fucking moron if you feel like you have to come here and mention that I stopped some guy from scamming people, and try to flame me for my post that was logical, and informative. Grow the fuck up, it's a game and heh fyi I haven't even fucking stepped into the bazaar for months.. been too busy farming shit with my guild. Maybe you'd notice if you weren't too busy cyb0rin everyone Valkeria.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » October 1, 2003, 4:18 pm

suppin wrote:
Sabek wrote: Suppin don't you have some super new leet scam to spend the next month and a half spamming every zone you walk into about? I would think "protecting people from scams" would be a higher priority than giving two shits about what another guild does.
To Valkeria and Sabek:

Fuck you, seriously if you have such a big hang up about me and can remember back to what? Half a year ago? You needa grow the fuck up, seriously. I've been playing for a year, and only have been in a "real guild" for the last 3 months. Heh, you're such a fucking moron if you feel like you have to come here and mention that I stopped some guy from scamming people, and try to flame me for my post that was logical, and informative. Grow the fuck up, it's a game and heh fyi I haven't even fucking stepped into the bazaar for months.. been too busy farming shit with my guild. Maybe you'd notice if you weren't too busy cyb0rin everyone Valkeria.

Damn Suppin that must have really hit close to home to illict a response like that. It stuck in my mind because you whined like a little baby in every freaking zone you entered, and on this board non-stop for 1-2 months about getting scammed like a retard by the oldest scam in the book.

And as far as grow the fuck up, and realize it's a game, I am not the one getting all pissed off and running off at the mouth. That would Suppin Savior of Retarded Shoppers everywhere.

suppin · Post by **suppin** » October 1, 2003, 4:27 pm

Please stop omg the flames are burning me. Heh stfu dude and read what you just wrote, show me where I said *anything* more than 1 thread that lasted 2 days on here, and what "Zones" other than bazaar, and that was like the day that I got ripped and I let others knew about it, and then they were the ones shouting, it happened to me so that's why my name was signified with the shit.

But anyways, just hadda say that to get you to shut the fuck up, next time if you're going to talk out your ass, try and get some facts straight.

Sargeras · Post by **Sargeras** » October 1, 2003, 4:35 pm

Jice wrote:I for one find these criticisms an act of sheer hypocracy considering Sov's roster lists them with an active membership of 91

Our roster may have an "active" list of 91, but when we log in every night to raid, we are lucky to even see 50-60 online for a target. But you wouldn't know that would you?

Nice try.

Jice wrote:POP takes numbers and about 4-5 people who actually know whats going on in the fight; the rest is all fluff or cannon fodder.

If you really think that, you must really see your bind spot a lot.

Valkeria · Post by **Valkeria** » October 1, 2003, 4:49 pm

Suppin like I would freaking care what in the hell you have been doing the past while, you are of extremely low importantce and am simply amazed you actually still bother to play. And you of all people should know you do not have time to cybor when raiding PoP zones

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 1, 2003, 4:49 pm

Voronwë wrote:For us, the Rallos Zek event took the most work of any obstacle we have yet to face. I would say that Rathe will be harder, but that remains to be seen.

i'm not saying Rallos is harder than an elemental god. cause he's easy.

He's harder to do reliably than Fennin because he's the first time you need massive CC on a co-ordinated basis. Don't be confused though, if you think Rathe/Xegony will be "somewhat" more difficult than RZtW, you're kidding yourself.

POP takes numbers and about 4-5 people who actually know whats going on in the fight; the rest is all fluff or cannon fodder.
i can see how you would come to this conclusion when you get all your flags from a guild who has been in the elementals for 6 months prior. don't lecture us on what it takes to progress. you simply don't have firsthand experience.

He's right and wrong; it takes numbers to cover for fuckups. It's much easier to zerg, and the lag can work for you if it's server side, than it is to kill with the minimum numbers. Once people are flagged and you're killing the mob for backflags and farming it for loot, then everyone has to be on the ball, and then there's a margin of luck anyway. If a mob blurs itself while it's summon is down and just before a 6k nuke lands, chances are it's going to charge

suppin · Post by **suppin** » October 1, 2003, 4:55 pm

Valkeria wrote:Suppin like I would freaking care what in the hell you have been doing the past while, you are of extremely low importantce and am simply amazed you actually still bother to play. And you of all people should know you do not have time to cybor when raiding PoP zones

Do you just like to hear yourself talk? If you didn't care, then why did you bother replying? or even bringing up my past. It's what it is, the past, let it be. All that matters now is that you are somewhat blind and think what you're doing is making a bigger ass out of yourself by trying to defend you and your guild's actions.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 1, 2003, 5:12 pm

He's harder to do reliably than Fennin because he's the first time you need massive CC on a co-ordinated basis. Don't be confused though, if you think Rathe/Xegony will be "somewhat" more difficult than RZtW, you're kidding yourself.

Zaelath, you didnt understand my comparison.

I told you that all the elemental gods are harder than RZ. by a lot

my point is that RZ is a bigger progression step.

It took us less work to learn and conquor the Xegony encounter than it did the RZ encounter. By a lot. For example we beat Xegony one day after our first attempt on her. It was still a difficult encounter, that required lots of execution by lots of people, and i'm not trying to trivialize any of their efforts.

i am saying it takes more work to learn how to get past the RZ event. we are aruging semantics, and you may disagree with my opinion, but i'm just basing it on our experience. it may take more farming to be ready for elemental gods too. so its perhaps all relative.

that is unless you make up for strats and gear by throwing 90 bodies at a mob.

i know a lot of people got to the elemental planes that way, and i'm glad i'm not one of them. but this is a game, and everybody can set their own personal goals on how they want to experience. i dont tell anybody they should live by mine =).

Zaeleth wrote:It's much easier to zerg, and the lag can work for you if it's server side, than it is to kill with the minimum numbers.

LOL wow

Eleani · Post by **Eleani** » October 1, 2003, 5:22 pm

suppin wrote: Ixt/Leg did their shit together, and came together as a single guild. This is a "Merging" to basicly cockblock everyone else from the mob's that PD can't take on their own atm.

Simply for the sake of clarity... no.

I so hate it when people say things they don't know anything about. I don't think "cockblocking" had anything to do with it.

Shashonna · Post by **Shashonna** » October 1, 2003, 5:23 pm

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » October 1, 2003, 5:24 pm

suppin wrote:
Valkeria wrote:Suppin like I would freaking care what in the hell you have been doing the past while, you are of extremely low importantce and am simply amazed you actually still bother to play. And you of all people should know you do not have time to cybor when raiding PoP zones
Do you just like to hear yourself talk? If you didn't care, then why did you bother replying? or even bringing up my past. It's what it is, the past, let it be. All that matters now is that you are somewhat blind and think what you're doing is making a bigger ass out of yourself by trying to defend you and your guild's actions.

Suppin shaddap there is nothing to defend you dipshit.

Nylith · Post by **Nylith** » October 1, 2003, 5:24 pm

Eleani, I don't think thats what suppin meant.

Proctus · Post by **Proctus** » October 1, 2003, 5:28 pm

I'm laughing at everyone who thinks we'll be doing things like Mud ring with more than 1 raid of at most 72 people.

Come on, use common sense. ^.^

Nylith · Post by **Nylith** » October 1, 2003, 5:30 pm

Yeah, you'll do all the earth rings at once. Duh.

Proctus · Post by **Proctus** » October 1, 2003, 5:31 pm

Eleani wrote:
suppin wrote: Ixt/Leg did their shit together, and came together as a single guild. This is a "Merging" to basicly cockblock everyone else from the mob's that PD can't take on their own atm.

Simply for the sake of clarity... no.

I so hate it when people say things they don't know anything about. I don't think "cockblocking" had anything to do with it.

Although he didn't mention the name in sequence properly, I'm pretty sure he was talking about PD/Farstorm when he mentioned "Merging".

Much H8 for suppin!

Eleani · Post by **Eleani** » October 1, 2003, 5:31 pm

Valkeria wrote:Problems are with numbers due to when many people can log on the major mobs are already taken hence an alliance works.

Welcome to Elementals and high end guild life, Valkeria. Nearly EVERY guild has that issue.

Valkeria wrote:The flagging raids were PD and FS. FS just didnt sit there while PD killed it and handed them the flags they were part of the raid and killed the mob together.

Oh good... for a moment there I was worried. No one has said anything about FS sitting back. Frankly, I don't give a damn. Fact is, (and without meaning to insult anyone in FS here, this is a metaphor only) its like taking an iron-age humanoid and handing him stainless steel. He's obviously NOT ready to work with it if he can't make it himself. Make sense?

Valkeria wrote: Funny when PD has done flagging mobs on their own I have seen a big amount of applicants (and members) from FoH, CD, CoE etc they added to get their flags.

BIG, HUGE, ENORMOUS difference, toots. FoH/CD/CoE have all KILLED those mobs on their own and they could again. In that case, its a mere convenience to have someone else's guild tag along.

Fact is, people are pissed off in the fact that while they had to it the hard way, fight and wipe on countless nights, stay up ALL night sometimes, to get their asses into elementals... they now get to sit back and watch someone get it handed right to them.

Zerg on.

Proctus · Post by **Proctus** » October 1, 2003, 5:32 pm

Nylith wrote:Yeah, you'll do all the earth rings at once. Duh.

I hate raiding in a zone with more than one guild, and I'm sure most of PD does too. So I doubt highly that would happen, though we probably could. =D

Eleani · Post by **Eleani** » October 1, 2003, 5:37 pm

Akaran_D wrote:How about this one:

I'm so sorry for the guilds who's action we're going to cut into in the Planes. So sorry, many tears, blow yourselves a new one. You guys whine more than a maternity ward 9 months after a major war has been signed to peace.

All I have to say is... suck it. You can say whatever you want. But remember the first time you raid in ANY elemental plane... there is no honor in it because you didn't do it on your own.

Welcome to Zerg. Zerg on.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » October 1, 2003, 5:38 pm

The one point that has been touched on but never addressed here is that when Trias said that attrittion will take the alliance down to a reasonable raid machine for PoP progression, what do both guild expect to do with the flunkies?

In my experience, you hang on to guildmates, not form an alliance to weed them out. That seems somewhat weak to me, since both guilds are claiming 40-50 people a night, and pop requires 72 for most progression events. So on a reasonable night, we're talking about both guilds nixing 15 people from their nightly raid force.

As far as PD taking FS through to elementals, how is that different from guild backflagging applicants or trial members? It's just the scale of the beast. No one makes a 6 page flame thread over Fiends backflagging A_Random_Player_01 up to elementals even though that person has 0 Endgame Luclin or PoP experience. Clearly that person didn't "earn" the right to be in elementals, but hey, they needed the class or the body to throw at A_Boss_Mob_08.

If it furthers PD and FS by allying up, so be it. If it costs your guild valuable mangelo woodies because you missed the mob... C'est la vie.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Veeshan got another elemental guild startup over all of this. Fiends just lost a good number of people and if PD and FS are counting on attrition to cut their numbers to the force they want, you're probably looking at about 50-60 people with elementals or, close to it, flags.

Eleani · Post by **Eleani** » October 1, 2003, 5:39 pm

Zaelath wrote:
Voronwë wrote:For us, the Rallos Zek event took the most work of any obstacle we have yet to face. I would say that Rathe will be harder, but that remains to be seen.

i'm not saying Rallos is harder than an elemental god. cause he's easy.
He's harder to do reliably than Fennin because he's the first time you need massive CC on a co-ordinated basis. Don't be confused though, if you think Rathe/Xegony will be "somewhat" more difficult than RZtW, you're kidding yourself.

Corinav can ---> too.

Eleani · Post by **Eleani** » October 1, 2003, 5:40 pm

Nylith wrote:Eleani, I don't think thats what suppin meant.

Well hell... he should say what he means then, shouldn't he? =p

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 1, 2003, 5:40 pm

pop requires 72 for most progression events

only if you suck

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » October 1, 2003, 5:46 pm

Voronwë wrote:
pop requires 72 for most progression events
only if you suck

My apologies Voro, for clarity, I was speaking in the generalized Raid-limitation sense. There is little to no purpose to have more than 72 people at any given time, sans tagalong backflaggers.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 1, 2003, 5:56 pm

Voronwë wrote:
Zaeleth wrote:It's much easier to zerg, and the lag can work for you if it's server side, than it is to kill with the minimum numbers.
LOL wow

Glad I could amuse you, but ... what?

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » October 1, 2003, 6:04 pm

suppin wrote:But anyways, just hadda say that to get you to shut the fuck up, next time if you're going to talk out your ass, try and get some facts straight.

Be careful when coming out with this when you just posted a page or two ago about how fiends did all this content all by themselves. While it's true that Fiends has done well for themselves, it helps when you have an officer corps that had done the events prior with another guild (Valhall) and a legion of showEQ trackers. It's in bad taste and undercuts your moral high ground on this issue.

Fovol · Post by **Fovol** » October 1, 2003, 6:25 pm

Topper wrote:
Fovol wrote:
Akaran_D wrote:I just find it funny that anyone from Fiends honestly thinks that people from FS give a shit what they think of us.
I just find it funny that you find any sense of pride in your slaying of these flagging mobs.
what the fuck have you been smoking? Where has anyone bragged about anything fovol?

You sir, are a dumbass

You, sir, lack any intelligence. If you had no pride in your actions, you wouldn't sit here and defend them.

To Akaran: to each his own, I suppose. If you truly feel no pride an anything you have 'accomplished' (take that for what it's worth, as you said, it is just a game) in this game, then what do you feel when you beat GTA:Vice city through hours of work compared to when you run through the game with invincibility and infinite ammo codes on? I realize, that in both situations, many would have fun (atleast for awhile, it gets boring after doing it for too long), but you don't feel like you've done anything. Maybe I'm the odd one out here, but I play games for entertainment as well as a competitive interest; which you assuredly do as well or you wouldn't be allying, because you'd be content progressing slower.

As an aside, an accomplishment, is, by definition, an achievement. An achievement, is, in turn, an accomplishment by use of preserverence or skill. Farstorm, in my opinion, has generally stuck to these 'requirements', however, their slayings of flag mobs do not meet any of these requirements. They didn't win because they were skilled or because they stuck at it until they won, they won because they had another guild that has done them before hold their hands through it. I cannot tell someone what they can or cannot be proud of because of the nature of pride. It's how you feel about yourself based on your outlook of others' previous accomplishments. So, I suppose this is a losing argument for me since you'll swear 'til the end of the world that you are awesome because you killed RZtW (or whatever) 'with' PD, and since my "opinions don't matter" to you, you'll have to rely on your own self-judgement of what's legit or not. However, on the same note, I feel pride that my guild worked for everything we have (minus a total of four people that are from a higher-end guild -- holy shit), and weren't pulled through it.

Finally, I personally will respect your future accomplishments (for example, when you kill Fennin) because both sides will have had to work for it -- not coming into it already champs, but how you got there will always be, sadly, weak.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » October 1, 2003, 6:30 pm

Valkeria wrote:Xyun, I rarely listen to lower life forms such as yourself...

anyone else get a mental image of valkeria as that goofy wizard guy with the filet o fish in the triumph the insult comic dog star wars ep 1 coverage?

sorry

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » October 1, 2003, 6:32 pm

Sunserae wrote:
Valkeria wrote:Xyun, I rarely listen to lower life forms such as yourself...
anyone else get a mental image of valkeria as that goofy wizard guy with the filet o fish in the triumph the insult comic dog star wars ep 1 coverage?

sorry

I was thinking Comic Shop Guy from the Simpsons, personally.. but good call.

Nylith · Post by **Nylith** » October 1, 2003, 6:32 pm

And don't forget to finish your filet of fish!

Fovol · Post by **Fovol** » October 1, 2003, 6:34 pm

Pahreyia wrote:
suppin wrote:But anyways, just hadda say that to get you to shut the fuck up, next time if you're going to talk out your ass, try and get some facts straight.
Be careful when coming out with this when you just posted a page or two ago about how fiends did all this content all by themselves. While it's true that Fiends has done well for themselves, it helps when you have an officer corps that had done the events prior with another guild (Valhall) and a legion of showEQ trackers. It's in bad taste and undercuts your moral high ground on this issue.

Not attacking you, just clarification:

We have currently a total of four active Valhall players. Three of whom, are in fact, officers. However, it would be ignorant to say that no other guilds have had leaders that haven't atleast once learned of the strats before (except for guilds on 'first accomplishments' every time). Not to mention, none of our Valhaller's have done many of the Elemental mobs we've thus far killed. I will give you that it did help us build a solid foundation when we were creating the guild, past that I doubt it really had much affect on the outcome of our guild.

On ShowEQ, uhm, I don't know what you're talking about.

Regardless, it doesn't win fights for a user, unlike PD has for FS.