There's a new zerg in town

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » September 30, 2003, 6:59 pm

timeindolanna? what?

Taly · Post by **Taly** » September 30, 2003, 7:02 pm

[quote="Aslanna']
It's an honest question as to why anyone needs those sort of numbers if they have the leet skillz to do "more with less" (haha!). If they are counting on "attrition" to land them at exactly the numbers they are looking for it seems like faulty logic to me. You'll never be able to see an exact comfortable number online all the time for very long.

As to how they are different? Oh, about twice the size I'd say.

Glad to clear that up for you.[/quote]

uh i think this was answered a few pages back

dont want to kill the mob 80 times ? remember reading that? kill it 2 or 3 times and we done. go back and read the other posts for your answers =P

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 30, 2003, 7:07 pm

What in God's holy name are you blathering about?

Ok, so reading comprehension isn't your strong point either. My apologies.

Nylith · Post by **Nylith** » September 30, 2003, 7:08 pm

I guess what some people might be wondering, is if anyone over 72 can't even get a flag, why bring so many?

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » September 30, 2003, 7:32 pm

Grats you not understanding that on some mobs you can flag more than 72. kthx

Stalker Vacio · Post by **Stalker Vacio** » September 30, 2003, 7:32 pm

Nylith wrote:I guess what some people might be wondering, is if anyone over 72 can't even get a flag, why bring so many?

3 letters

D K P

Legenae · Post by **Legenae** » September 30, 2003, 7:38 pm

Taly wrote:ASSlanna

Once it was funny, but now it's just immature and annoying.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » September 30, 2003, 7:39 pm

Sylvus wrote:You guys seem to forget that I am a member of the Legion of Ixtlan, therefore we are beyond reproach.

Beyond Contestation

Fovol · Post by **Fovol** » September 30, 2003, 8:03 pm

Taly wrote:no difference between his 2 guilds that merged after reaching elementals and pd/fs thats the point. so why should he care? worried? bored?

How about that's the difference? I don't know about everyone else, but that's my problem -- you earned jack and shit. It's a fact that a guild can get into Elementals at this stage of the game, with little VT farming; it has been done a month ago. There is a reason that flag mobs were implemented, and for just this reason, to stop people who aren't supposed to be there from being there.

Now, for example, if FS was to ally with PE, with both guilds arguably equal in strength (with PE trailing maybe a few weeks), I'd really have no complaint. However, FS riding the coat-tails of a guild that has done this months ago is weak, if you ask me. Also, I don't necessarily see a problem with PD doing this, actually it's almost interesting that they selected FS due to them being so far behind. Again, allying isn't the problem, it's being drug into a place you do not have the skills nor equipment to be in. That's a slap in the face to everyone who worked alone or with an equal guild to defeat said mobs, and you wonder why people dislike it.

Nylith · Post by **Nylith** » September 30, 2003, 8:22 pm

Sabek wrote:Grats you not understanding that on some mobs you can flag more than 72. kthx

My knowledge of Zerg tactics was quite lacking, I was under the assumption that all projections now only gave 72 flags.
Also, I find it rather comical that you're "back flagging" over 72 people.

Stalker Vacio wrote:3 letters

D K P

I wasn't aware that either guild was on DKP.

Shoulda done my research.

Taly · Post by **Taly** » September 30, 2003, 8:29 pm

Aslanna wrote:What in God's holy name are you blathering about?

Ok, so reading comprehension isn't your strong point either. My apologies.

Grats to you not being able to read. your question was answer a page or two back ASSlanna

Legenae · Post by **Legenae** » September 30, 2003, 8:34 pm

Aslanna wrote:What in God's holy name are you blathering about?

Ok, so reading comprehension isn't your strong point either. My apologies.

Neither is spelling or grammar.

Stalker Vacio · Post by **Stalker Vacio** » September 30, 2003, 9:36 pm

Nylith wrote:
Sabek wrote:Grats you not understanding that on some mobs you can flag more than 72. kthx
My knowledge of Zerg tactics was quite lacking, I was under the assumption that all projections now only gave 72 flags.
Also, I find it rather comical that you're "back flagging" over 72 people.

Stalker Vacio wrote:3 letters

D K P
I wasn't aware that either guild was on DKP.

Shoulda done my research.

DKP or loot council people people get loot for attending raids. When you see 90+ there are some that are just there to represent or participate ..not for the flag.

Xanastik Fox · Post by **Xanastik Fox** » September 30, 2003, 9:44 pm

Free ride to elementals! ST to Trias.

Really, if the guild cant make it to Elemental Planes by themselves, they have no reason to be there.

Taly · Post by **Taly** » September 30, 2003, 9:48 pm

In response to Legs.

This is VV i don't care about Grammer and Spelling. When im at my job I do. here it is pointless. as far as the ASSlanna i don't care if its annoying or not. that is his name to me now. Its not meant to be funny everytime i type it. =P

Eleani · Post by **Eleani** » September 30, 2003, 10:17 pm

Taly wrote:In response to Legs.

This is VV i don't care about Grammer and Spelling. When im at my job I do. here it is pointless. as far as the ASSlanna i don't care if its annoying or not. that is his name to me now. Its not meant to be funny everytime i type it. =P

I would seriously think, for someone who is so obviously self-concious about how you are perceived by others, that you would at least attempt to portray yourself in a dignified and clean manner. I.E Grammar and Spelling.

But then again... I guess we don't all hold the same high level standards.

Taly · Post by **Taly** » September 30, 2003, 10:24 pm

As i said when it comes to the job I care about it. when it comes to VV i don't.

These days I don't care how im seen on these boards. My friends know who I am. and I am done on this thread, tired of it.

Eleani · Post by **Eleani** » September 30, 2003, 10:26 pm

Xanastik Fox wrote:Free ride to elementals! ST to Trias.

Really, if the guild cant make it to Elemental Planes by themselves, they have no reason to be there.

My GOD. Thank you. The first voice of reason I've read all night. I had to go back and rummage until I found this just to give you kudos.

Nylith · Post by **Nylith** » September 30, 2003, 10:27 pm

Taly, did you get a BoW from RZ?

Proctus · Post by **Proctus** » September 30, 2003, 10:27 pm

Is it Christmas Yet?

Proctus · Post by **Proctus** » September 30, 2003, 10:29 pm

Nylith wrote:Taly, did you get a BoW from RZ?

welcome to 6 months ago?

Legenae · Post by **Legenae** » September 30, 2003, 10:32 pm

I just find it interesting how you say that at your job you are careful about your spelling/grammar, but don't care here. Are you saying you that you purposely use bad spelling and grammar on all message boards?

As for the repeated use of "ASSlana"... you made your point once, but using it over and over again just makes you look immature and stupid.

Eleani · Post by **Eleani** » September 30, 2003, 10:33 pm

Taly wrote:As i said when it comes to the job I care about it. when it comes to VV i don't.

These days I don't care how im seen on these boards. My friends know who I am. and I am done on this thread, tired of it.

Then seriously, why post? I mean, hell, I enjoy laughing my ass off at some of the innane and ridiculous things that come out of your head... but I highly doubt that's the reason. Hell, I finally registered because of it! =p

ASSlana? OMG can I use Talywhacker? (Sorry, couldn't help it.)

Proctus · Post by **Proctus** » September 30, 2003, 10:37 pm

Props to the beautiful avatars ^.^

Drinsic Darkwood · September 30, 2003, 10:49 pm

It still humors me Taly, how you continuously respond, but keep managing to totally miss every post that brings up probably the most important point here - you guys aren't earning your flags. Ixt-leg earned their flags. Ixtlan didn't kill RZ alone then kill him again and let Legion hail the mob. They worked together and defeated him together. There's a difference between earning something and just being given something. Basically, Xanastik's / Fovol's posts summed the whole thing up.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 30, 2003, 11:03 pm

Drinsic Darkwood wrote:It still humors me Taly, how you continuously respond, but keep managing to totally miss every post that brings up probably the most important point here - you guys aren't earning your flags. Ixt-leg earned their flags. Ixtlan didn't kill RZ alone then kill him again and let Legion hail the mob. They worked together and defeated him together. There's a difference between earning something and just being given something. Basically, Xanastik's / Fovol's posts summed the whole thing up.

Ha ha, forget it. She used the "Forget it I'm done with this thread" defense. Again. Hmmm can't use "Chewbaca Defense" for that. How about.. The Atokal Defense? That has a nice ring to it.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » September 30, 2003, 11:07 pm

for fuck's sake.

if taly says ASSlana one more time, she's banished to retard hell for eternity...

I mean seriously, the kids on the playground can at least come up with more than ONE name to call someone.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » September 30, 2003, 11:47 pm

buttlana?

Kudo · Post by **Kudo** » September 30, 2003, 11:57 pm

Sionistic wrote:buttlana?

so witty!

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » October 1, 2003, 12:02 am

This topic hasn't got me laughing hard enough yet. We need someone to try to add RZ or MM to FS's kills on BKL~ that'd be great.

Kudo · Post by **Kudo** » October 1, 2003, 12:14 am

lol...

FS got flagged for mobs they couldnt kill ? how lame

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 1, 2003, 12:29 am

I am still waiting to hear the truth about Farstorm.

Psyloche · Post by **Psyloche** » October 1, 2003, 12:45 am

I disagree with ASSlana being even remotely funny the first time, if Taly was even the first to say it. Its just one of those things that is just so fucking easy its stupid... its like laughing at a retard sorta. Why go there because its blatantly obvious and you look like an (no this wasn't intentional) ass anyway.

that retard thing is probably a bad example but after work all day and a 4 hour night class, I am tired.

Truant, Waffle House owns you.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » October 1, 2003, 1:16 am

Psyloche wrote:Truant, Waffle House owns you.

i make better breakfast than wafflehouse...i shall prove it!

suppin · Post by **suppin** » October 1, 2003, 1:43 am

I'm just thinking of when my brother would call me into his room to help him beat some level of Super Mario Bro's.. He'd get to a point where he kept dying over and over and over and finally gave up, and would call to me. I'd walk in, pick up controller, crack knuckles and beat it for him. Hand it back to him and he'd smile and be happy. I'd shrug it off and walk back to what I was doing. My friends would look at me and tell me I should have let him do it on his own, let him learn and get better.

And I did, I never helped him beat anything like that again, and he got better at shit, and probably felt like he accomplished something, instead of having me just hand him the "GAME OVER".

Sound anything like what's going on here?

Like Fovol said, it's a slap in the face to the people that earned their right to zone in by themselves. Ixt/Leg did their shit together, and came together as a single guild. This is a "Merging" to basicly cockblock everyone else from the mob's that PD can't take on their own atm. Smart for them. But is it "Fair" to everyone else? It's like they say this easier than a mass recruitment, but how so? That's what it is. It's recruiting a guild to fill their numbers and have the "Force" to kill mobs. If I were in the shoes of some PD members i'd have to think twice if this is what I'd really want. I can think of a few things that'd tickle me the wrong way. Loot distro, Lag!, and the reputation. Same thing for Farstorm, I'd rather be proud that I earned my flags, and earned my right to fight in the zone.

And Fovol had another point, you CAN get to elementals with little VT farming, and without this huge ass force/zerging. Fiends did it, and it feels great knowing we did also, and where we're at in the game with the ammount of people we have, and the time it took. All I can say though, is it worth it? Can ya say it feels good to be handed this to you? I know I'd feel cheated out on having the fun. Whole reason for the flags and trial's are just that, to TEST to see if you can be there, and earned the right to fight in those zones.

My 2cp..

-Suppin
--Fiends

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 1, 2003, 2:34 am

There's a difference between earning something and just being given something.

rofl. remember you are talking to taly here. not only is she too fucking stupid to understand the concept, she thinks she earned the BoW she got for watching a freak show. yes i know this is 6 months old or whatever. I find it ironic and sad that even to this day she has not earned the weapon she was awarded then.

Moonwynd · Post by **Moonwynd** » October 1, 2003, 2:36 am

Hell hath surely frozen over.....I am agreeing with Suppin completely!!

Samila · Post by **Samila** » October 1, 2003, 5:02 am

OMG! A new zerg force? Shameful!

P.S. - Sovereign is looking for applicants!

P.P.S - Someone is going to kick mah ass for this post!

VariaVespasa · Post by **VariaVespasa** » October 1, 2003, 5:24 am

suppin wrote: And Fovol had another point, you CAN get to elementals with little VT farming, and without this huge ass force/zerging. Fiends did it, and it feels great knowing we did also, and where we're at in the game with the ammount of people we have, and the time it took. All I can say though, is it worth it? Can ya say it feels good to be handed this to you? I know I'd feel cheated out on having the fun. Whole reason for the flags and trial's are just that, to TEST to see if you can be there, and earned the right to fight in those zones.

Just as a note to reinforce that comment about VT farming- Ixtlan/Legion went elemental without pharming VT also. So far we've only raided there about 3 times that I can think of and only ever whacked Aten Ha Ra once. So it can certainly be done.

*Hugs*
Varia

Proctus · Post by **Proctus** » October 1, 2003, 6:35 am

Personally, I think the ends justifies the means. Dodge the logic all you want, but it's easier to get a guild of active players to log on than 20 different apps you don't know. ;P

Honestly, how many times have you seen an app and thought "Damn he/she needs to log on more often". Hell, I'm thinking it right now.

The ironic thing is that it was said that Taly would never be able to get to the zone that dropped the sword... Oops I wonder who's eating his words now ^.^

Valkeria · Post by **Valkeria** » October 1, 2003, 6:51 am

PD can kill mobs on their own they have proven it they are in elementals. Problems are with numbers due to when many people can log on the major mobs are already taken hence an alliance works. FS has farmed VT on their own killed some flag mobs on their own. The flagging raids were PD and FS. FS just didnt sit there while PD killed it and handed them the flags they were part of the raid and killed the mob together. An alliance is a partnership. Why so many was answered to get the flags done and overwith. Funny when PD has done flagging mobs on their own I have seen a big amount of applicants (and members) from FoH, CD, CoE etc they added to get their flags. Those people were not in the raid they just came to mooch them. Which was a co operation between different guilds. Nothing wrong with that. Once flags are done I sincerely doubt there is gonna be 100+ people for a damn raid. Everyone is going to have a problem with how some guild does something. You cant please everyone. Frankly I dont give a freaking hoot about pleasing another guild the tag I wear is the one I worry about pleasing . Trias made a good logical post and cares about his guild. This is only a game remember that.

And yes I know my grammar absolutely sucks but its 5am and I dont care.

Sargeras · Post by **Sargeras** » October 1, 2003, 7:08 am

Trias wrote:more with less

I laughed like a little school girl when I read that. This is coming from the same tag that told Resteran (at the time she was a PD recruit) to come an RZ raid, mass mod rod/focus item distro, then told to leave because there were too many people. More with less indeed.

Sabek wrote:Grats you not understanding that on some mobs you can flag more than 72. kthx

If your raid force requires more than 72 people (ie: a full raid) to kill a 72 flagger target (RZtW for example), then you shouldn't even be trying. Wait a while, gear up more, AA's, sacrifice a cow... then try.

I laughed again when people compare Farstorm/PD to Ixtlan/Legion. We have never ever had an issue of too many people. With low numbers (yes, we do more with less) we accomplished everything we and everyone else has done. Both guilds earned where we are today. Varia was right, Sovereign (Ixtlan/Legion, Gaklek's Gang of Gankers, whatever you want to call us) is the only elemental raiding force on the server that didn't farm Vex Thal (Fiends, ex-Valhall, count them or not). So that time sink is not a requirement for PoP progression.

I honestly think, in the end, PD could be setting themselves up for their own cockblocking. There can be two results from this alliance: 1. You guys get along so well that you merge (ie: Sovereign)... or 2. You don't get along, so you tip hats and go your separate ways (ie: CoED). If #2 happens, then you just created your own competition, added to what you already have to deal with.

Valkeria wrote:Funny when PD has done flagging mobs on their own I have seen a big amount of applicants (and members) from FoH, CD, CoE etc they added to get their flags. Those people were not in the raid they just came to mooch them.

That's exactly the point! Those people were able to tag along because they came from a guild who had already accomplished what you were doing! I'll bet 2 months ago, if a Farstorm member sent you a tell asking for an RZ flag, you would have laughed at him/her.

P.S. - *HUGS* to Resteran

Valkeria · Post by **Valkeria** » October 1, 2003, 7:35 am

Kudos to the guilds that do mobs with less. Want a cookie? PD has done mobs with less and have done mobs with a full raid just like almost every other guild. Everyone has different styles of play doesnt mean they are the best ways nor does it mean they are the worst ways. Every guild also has its idiots most of whom seem to post here myself included.

But every guild also has its share of skilled decent players just because you hate their guild tag is no reason to judge each individual that way. Why are you in your particular guild? Because you have friends there? Because you like what mobs they are doing atm? Their reputation? Their skills? Because they give you loot? This game is just a game its supposed to be about fun running around in a fantasy world killing ugly bad things and competing. Seems to me beyond critisizing what is going on is a fear that a guild is doing something different and may actually succeed and get farther than was ever betted upon. I seem to remember hearing that Fiends would fall apart before even RZTW and look where they are now. Not always a good thing to jump to conclusions

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 1, 2003, 8:01 am

shut the fuck up, bitch.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » October 1, 2003, 8:22 am

Samila wrote:OMG! A new zerg force? Shameful!

Sam's semi-annual post

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 1, 2003, 8:25 am

Funny when PD has done flagging mobs on their own I have seen a big amount of applicants (and members) from FoH, CD, CoE etc they added to get their flags. Those people were not in the raid they just came to mooch them. Which was a co operation between different guilds. Nothing wrong with that

If you truly believe there's no difference then you're as dumb as Taly. Although you can compose a sentence better than her so bonus points there.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » October 1, 2003, 9:01 am

suppin wrote:I'm just thinking of when my brother would call me into his room to help him beat some level of Super Mario Bro's.. He'd get to a point where he kept dying over and over and over and finally gave up, and would call to me. I'd walk in, pick up controller, crack knuckles and beat it for him. Hand it back to him and he'd smile and be happy. I'd shrug it off and walk back to what I was doing. My friends would look at me and tell me I should have let him do it on his own, let him learn and get better.

And I did, I never helped him beat anything like that again, and he got better at shit, and probably felt like he accomplished something, instead of having me just hand him the "GAME OVER".

Sound anything like what's going on here?

Like Fovol said, it's a slap in the face to the people that earned their right to zone in by themselves. Ixt/Leg did their shit together, and came together as a single guild. This is a "Merging" to basicly cockblock everyone else from the mob's that PD can't take on their own atm. Smart for them. But is it "Fair" to everyone else? It's like they say this easier than a mass recruitment, but how so? That's what it is. It's recruiting a guild to fill their numbers and have the "Force" to kill mobs. If I were in the shoes of some PD members i'd have to think twice if this is what I'd really want. I can think of a few things that'd tickle me the wrong way. Loot distro, Lag!, and the reputation. Same thing for Farstorm, I'd rather be proud that I earned my flags, and earned my right to fight in the zone.

And Fovol had another point, you CAN get to elementals with little VT farming, and without this huge ass force/zerging. Fiends did it, and it feels great knowing we did also, and where we're at in the game with the ammount of people we have, and the time it took. All I can say though, is it worth it? Can ya say it feels good to be handed this to you? I know I'd feel cheated out on having the fun. Whole reason for the flags and trial's are just that, to TEST to see if you can be there, and earned the right to fight in those zones.

My 2cp..

-Suppin
--Fiends

Suppin don't you have some super new leet scam to spend the next month and a half spamming every zone you walk into about? I would think "protecting people from scams" would be a higher priority than giving two shits about what another guild does.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » October 1, 2003, 9:07 am

I used to care. I think.

Now the only opinion I can form is that it's a game. You're playing for yourself. Find a way to enjoy it or quit.

suppin · Post by **suppin** » October 1, 2003, 9:11 am

Valkeria wrote:Fiends would fall apart before even RZTW and look where they are now. Not always a good thing to jump to conclusions

Actually, we were told we couldn't kill emp...

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Thing is, what it comes down to Farstorm does not belong in elementals. I mean you're even comparing backflags from CD/FoH/CoE to what you're doing. Aint it the "rule" though that ya don't backflag a guild that hasn't done it themselves?

Valkeria wrote:FS just didnt sit there while PD killed it and handed them the flags they were part of the raid and killed the mob together.

Of course not, they added #'s to the Zerg... DUH

Xyun wrote:shut the fuck up, bitch.

Please.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » October 1, 2003, 9:20 am

Damn this thread title. I can't get that stupid Eagles tune out of my head now