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Jensens say no cancer found

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Have any of you read this yet?

http://www.msnbc.com/local/SLT/M96047.asp?0dm=W26AN
Jensens say no cancer found


By Matt Canham
The Salt Lake Tribune

09/26/2003 - Nudged on by his father, Parker Jensen strained his neck to reach the cluster of microphones.





The results are that they didn't find any cancer at all and the state of Utah needs to leave us alone," shouted the red-faced 12-year-old, his hands balled into fists by his side.

Family members, fighting back tears of frustration, rage and desperation, reiterated Parker's statement at a news conference they called in front of their Sandy home Thursday evening. They were surrounded by supportive neighbors.

"I ask the state to leave us be," said Parker's father, Daren Jensen. "We know how to be a family. We don't need attorneys telling us how to take care of our children."

Jensen displayed the results of a battery of medical tests conducted on Monday by Boise-based physician Martin Johnston. The bone scan, MRI and blood tests not only showed no tumors, but no irregularities at all, Jensen said.

The tests echo those conducted by Primary Children's Medical Center back in May after a small tumor was removed from under Parker's tongue. But the physician there, like Johnston now, was concerned that microscopic cancer cells remain in Parker's body and could form a deadly tumor at any time.

After meeting with Johnston twice, the Jensens are convinced he will recommend chemotherapy, the exact treatment at the core of their monthslong legal battle with the state over the boy's medical care.

Johnston told The Salt Lake Tribune the Jensens would not return his phone calls Thursday. He said he had additional test results he wanted to discuss with them.

Daren Jensen rebuts that, saying he holds the results of all of the tests Johnston conducted on Parker. He plans to meet with Johnston in the coming days to discuss the next step in Parker's medical care, but calls the relationship contentious.

"When you are forced, it is hard to work with the jail master," he said.

State officials became involved back in June after a Primary Children's doctor diagnosed Parker with Ewing's sarcoma, a deadly form of cancer that normally strikes teens. The physician insisted on treating him with chemotherapy, but the family refused.

The physician called the Division of Child and Family Services to make a medical neglect claim that soon spiraled into a legal battle over the boy's medical care. The family fled to Pocatello, Idaho, to avoid court-ordered chemotherapy and pursue alternative treatments. As a result, Daren and Barbara Jensen were charged with kidnapping their own son.

Negotiations ended in an agreement in which the Jensens were able to select a board-certified pediatric oncologist, but they had to promise to follow that doctor's recommended treatment even if it turned out to be chemotherapy.

The family selected Johnston from St. Luke's Medical Center on the recommendation of a friend.

Their relationship with Johnston quickly turned contentious when he said during their first visit -- before he examined Parker -- that he would most likely recommend chemotherapy, according to Daren Jensen.

The family is now pleading with state officials to scrap the legal agreement and allow them to pursue alternative treatments at a facility they have already selected, Parker's mother Barbara Jensen said.

"I am begging. I am pleading," she said. "Let us go."

"It has been six months. The tests are still normal. Why are we still playing this game?" a defiant Daren Jensen asked. "Can't the doctors admit they were wrong? Can't the state admit it is wrong?"

He promised to fight the state if it does not back down. He also promised to battle against the felony kidnapping charges that he and his wife face.

"I will use everything I have to fight you to protect my family," he said.

Parker's case has sparked a parental rights debate in Utah and throughout the country. Barbara Jensen said her family will fight to see state laws changed to stop what has happened to them from happening to others.

"I can't believe as an American I am not free," she said.

Gov. Mike Leavitt was hesitant Thursday to say he supports the Jensens wholeheartedly, but he did say the state needs to move slowly and deliberately before getting involved in such cases.

"When you have loving, caring parents who are well informed, making difficult decisions, I think you need to move very slowly before you get the state involved in the middle of those," he said during his monthly news conference.

The Jensens will travel back to Utah as needed, but plan to stay in Pocatello with relatives as the medical process continues. Daren and Barbara Jensen are expected to attend a status hearing in 3rd District Court on the kidnapping charges on Oct. 2.

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stupid fucking mormons. I hope the state takes all their kids away and gives them to smart people.
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On one hand, i agree that they are complete idiots.

On the other hand, i don't think it is right to force people to do anything they don't want to do, this is a free society and if they don't want medical attention, then by all means, let them go without it.
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Stupid people can deny themselves medical attention all they want but when they deny it to their children they should be drug out behind the barn and shot.
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Why bring them behind the barn? Shoot em in public.
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I'm torn on this one. On one hand, the state should stay the hell out of my life. On the other hand, we're talking about a kid here.

My personal opinion is that the doctors and the state of Utah have a valid concern over the possibility of cancer cells still running through the boy's body. Unlike normal cells in the human body, cancer cells are immortal. They don't "get old" and die like normal cells. I guess the moral and ethical delimma is where do we draw the line between parental rights and child neglect?

If Parker doesn't have chemo and dies of Ewing's sarcoma, then his parents are obviously up for charges of criminal neglect. But does the state have the right to dictate that a parent must subject their child to a very miserable type of treatment in an attempt to kill off cancerous cells that may not even exist? I'm not a DFACS expert so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. From what has been said, Parker Jensen's tests all come back negative for any abnormalities. I fail to see the "neglect" or "endangerment" aspects of Utah's case against the Jensens. If Parker really is clean and in remission, Utah and DFACS have overstepped their bounds.
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I would agree with that if it wasn't for the fact that multiple doctors have rendered the same opinion. It's obviously everybody's right to take their kid to another doctor for a second opinion before putting him through something like chemo, but if a bunch of medical experts all say he needs it, then he needs it. And if the parents won't allow them to administer proper medical care then they need to be taken away from those parents and put somewhere where they will be taken care of properly with proper human beings that put their fucking children's lives ahead of their asinine faith.

Fucking mormons are barely a step above being a cult anyway. Maybe we should get Janet Reno to run them all over in a tank and get it over with.
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kyoukan wrote:Fucking mormons are barely a step above being a cult anyway.
As an ex-Mormon I agree in some respects it is cult-like... the members-only ceremonies in the temple, the belief that if you are not baptized (which can be done by proxy after death) and do not marry another Mormon *in* the temple ceremony you will never reach the highest kingdom of heaven are some examples.

However, not all Mormons would react the way these parents did. I was raised in the Mormon Church and know of only one member who thought this way. He was bitten on the leg by a snake and refused treatment, insisting that the priesthood holders give him a blessing that would cure him (he did receive these blessings, they instructed him to get medical attention but he did not accept them). Months passed, he could no longer walk and his leg was severely infected, painful and began rotting away. He was advised by the Bishop or our ward that God provides tools for us to help ourselves and he should seek professional care before amputation was required. That man finally did, but not until he had confirmed for every other member that had any knowledge of him that he was an idiot. Hell we had doctors, osteopaths, surgeons and dentists who attended our church as well. I would say these parents have more wrong with them than just being Mormon.

I also currently live in Utah and while I hate the ridiculously weak alcohol and odd laws surrounding its consumption, for the most part it is a fairly pleasant, clean state. I bet part of it comes from all the Mormons not wanting the neighbors to think badly of them because their lawn isn't impeccable, but it has yet to be a negative thing for me because I could care less about keeping up with the Jones' (or maybe in this case the Smith's? :P)
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When a doctor says he is leaning towards chemotherapy without ever having run a single test, especially doing blood work, then he is a straight fraud. I would have yanked my kid right out of the office the very moment he opened his mouth with such a ridiculous "diagnosis".

In case you have never had someone in your family with cancer, the blood work will tell you if there is any "microscopic cancer cells remaining in your body". The family quite obviously had someone actually do the blood tests and had the results from the tests. This clown should have his license suspended and he should be investigated.

On a personal note, I saw my mother live for 3 years past where the doctors said she would be able to by using alternative treatment methods. She refused to go back through chemo and went to an all natural cleansing of the system type treatment. She definitely was actually healthier when she succumbed than she had been after chemo the first time.
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Ex-Mormon here as well. I could talk pages about how whacked out the Mormon religion is, but then I look at every other religion on the planet and realize it's pretty much par for the course as far as a belief systems go. At least the Mormons have some balls and, for the most part, tend to stick to thier value/belief system better than most.

Any Mormon Bishop would've told these parents to take thier kid to the doctor. Perhaps these parents are on some fringe/weirdo Mormonish church, but not in the actual Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. All those "Mormons" with multiple wives are not official members of the church either. They would be ex-communicated for polygamy.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:the blood work will tell you if there is any "microscopic cancer cells remaining in your body"
It's a pretty cut and dried diagnosis isn't it? They might not know where it is, or if it's malignant or not, but the tests can tell if a cancers exists I thought. Something about the chemicals given off by the cancerous cells used to "communicate" between each other.
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My brothers best friend growing up was a mormon, so I've had some exposure to things. I definitely lean on the 'creeped out' side of opinions. They're a bizarre cult indeed. But like anyone who believes anything, there are moderates and extremists. These people are a tad extreme.
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They're a bizarre cult indeed.
The same can be said about virtually every religion. The thing that makes Mormons more creepy than say, Catholics, is that Mormons try extremely hard to keep thier high ceremonies secretive. Nothing wrong with that IMO. The reasoning makes a lot of sense actually if you know and understand the Mormon dogma.
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Frankly I'm torn about this as well.

I know that she doctors and the state want the boy to have chemo, however, going to extremes like serving them with a court order with this and then charging them with kidnapping their own son is outright retarded.

My wife and I refused to have a test run that would possibly detect and genetic or mental disorders that our upcoming baby may have. We refused that test. Does that make us liable for child neglect?

If the state want the kid to have this so bad, have they offered to pay the the whole fucking procedure? I imagine that in a system like in the US, the chemicals needed for chemo and the time spent in the hospital amounts to quick a sizable chunk of cash for a family.

I agree with the statement made by the governor, the state needs to take this a lot more slowly and a lot less aggressively than they have been doing.
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The local news just gave a small update saying that the doctor who was handling the matter quit and apparently the state will not be persuing the "required" treatment, however there is no news on how that will affect the kidnapping charges still pending against the parents.
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