To cut or not to cut

[Hayley]

I just found out today that I am having a baby boy! I like to joke around and say that I have a penis inside me, but my hubby thinks that's just wrong!

Anyway, the discussion came up with my Doctor on whether to circumcise or not. Her practice does not encourage circumcision because there is no real medical reason to do it and it's purely for aesthetics. They will, however, perform the circumcision if I want it done. Apparently, the growing trend is to NOT circumcise your child...her practice only circumcises 70% of all births. What is your opinion on cut vs noncut?
Will I be doing my child any favors by cutting him?

I used to be 100% pro-cut, but now I'm kind of rethinking this.

[Krimson Klaw]

Cut, his future wife will thank you.

[Pilsburry]

Cut it.

You know what Smegma is? If you don't cut him...you will.

[masteen]

I've heard that unsnipped guys have more sensitivity down there.

Personally, I rather be known for stamina than as a quickdraw artist.

Plus, the aesthetic and cleanliness issues already mentioned.

[Skogen]

Cut, his future wife will thank you.

Definitley.

Not to mention when he is coming of age, and takes off his pants in front of a woman for the first time. A young gal might take one look at his uncut unit, and freak! He would be scarred after that experience!

[Skogen]

I've heard that unsnipped guys have more sensitivity down there.

Personally, I rather be known for stamina than as a quickdraw artist.

Plus, the aesthetic and cleanliness issues already mentioned.

Quote from one of my friend on his being uncircumsized:

"Whackin' off is great! I don't need lube or anything!!"

[*~*stragi*~*]

cut!
name him after me imo )

[Sueven]

The cleanliness issues are a myth. It's every bit as clean whether you're cut or uncut.

The only real issue that can arise is if they have a relatively small penis when flaccid and a relatively large penis when erect, sometimes the foreskin can be pulled too tightly and become painful during sex. However, this is easily worked around if it becomes a problem.

Cut and uncut penii look almost identical when erect, because the foreskin isn't long enough to cover the entire erect penis. It's only when flaccid that there's a real noticeable difference.

I'd personally say don't do it, just because there is the possibility of a complication in the procedure, small though it may be, and there's no logical reason to want it done, unless you're really big on aesthetics. Really though, it doesn't matter much at all.

[Skogen]

The cleanliness issues are a myth. It's every bit as clean whether you're cut or uncut.

The only real issue that can arise is if they have a relatively small penis when flaccid and a relatively large penis when erect, sometimes the foreskin can be pulled too tightly and become painful during sex. However, this is easily worked around if it becomes a problem.

Cut and uncut penii look almost identical when erect, because the foreskin isn't long enough to cover the entire erect penis. It's only when flaccid that there's a real noticeable difference.

I'd personally say don't do it, just because there is the possibility of a complication in the procedure, small though it may be, and there's no logical reason to want it done, unless you're really big on aesthetics. Really though, it doesn't matter much at all.

How in gods name do you know all of this?

[Sargeras]

Gratz Hayley!!!

[noel]

Definitely cut.

Sueven, I can't believe you think there could be complications from that. One in a trillion maybe? The risk of complications of childbirth >>>> the risk of circumcision.

Hayley, post pics of the pregnant you.

[Boogahz]

The cleanliness issues are a myth. It's every bit as clean whether you're cut or uncut.

False

They are not a myth, but they may be overrated. I worked in an MHMR facility where some of the people were not able to take care of themselves, and it WAS a problem if the staff did not properly assist. Sitting with someone screaming in the hospital as someone they didn't know probed their privates was not a highlight in my life.

[Sheryl]

Cut, his future wife will thank you.

Definitley.

Not to mention when he is coming of age, and takes off his pants in front of a woman for the first time. A young gal might take one look at his uncut unit, and freak! He would be scarred after that experience!

bullshit

the one uncircumsized man i've been with is the best partner i've ever had. and he isn't fantastic just because he wasn't cut, but i'll testify to the fact that at least one un-snipped man on the planet does not have problems with stamina, cleanliness, etc.

an erect penis, circumsized or not, pretty much looks the same. and when flacid it's not like it grows a head and a pair of arms, kuato style. if some chick is getting your pants off for the first time you shouldn't be floppy anyway.

[Tegellan]

Don't cut.

Where I am from it isn't normal to get the cut, and since there are no medical reasons for it as Sueven stated there is really no reason to do it. I have had "interacrtions" with girls form countries where cutting is normal and they have had no complaints about look or perfomance.

[Sirensa]

yay a boy Fantastic. You'll have to make sure to provide him with plenty of sisters to torture him in the future

I voted for cut.

If boys are in the locker room, is cut vs uncut something that could cause teasing? I've never really seen an uncut flacid peen up close so not sure if it would be that noticeable or not, but if it were, and the majority of the other kids were cut, I would hate for a child of mine to be embarrassed and teased because he wasn't. (Or called dirty, unhygenic, etc. - whether it is a truth or not is irrelevant compared to the torture young children can evoke on each other - IMO)

On a side note - the three friends I have had who have had boys in the past year all had them circumsized.

[Sylvus]

Did you hear about the rabbi who performed free circumcisions?

He worked for tips! Ha!

Sorry, that's a horrible joke... I voted for cut, if only because that's what I've always lived with, and I like it just fine. I remember one kid in the locker room being uncut and getting teased a little, but that builds character so don't let that stop you.

[Forthe]

I imagine an uncircumsized penis could be a hygiene issue if you are a dirty bastard that never washes. Seriously this argument is ignorant, it takes less effort to keep an uncircumsized penis clean than it takes to brush your teeth, keep odor free armpits or keep your asshole clean .

I won't even go into how a more sensitive penis is a good thing but I would ask if women would enjoy having their sexual experience dulled.

Personally I think the practice is very cruel. To cause pain to a baby for no good reason just doesn't make sense to me.

[Aaeamdar]

Don't cut it.

1. Most people are cut. Speaking as someone who loves cock, an uncut one is more exciting, simply based on rarity alone.

2. Though very unlikely, there is a chance of accident when the circumcission takes place. It would really suck to have part of the head cut off.

3. There is such a thing a foreskin restoration. The fact that such a thing exists is an indication that some men who are cut at birth end up eventually wanting it back. It is a lot easier to be circumsized as an adult than to have it reconstored. Let him decide when he is able.

[Boogahz]

Where the hell would they get the skin to restore it?!

I remember my grandfather having to have a portion of a nostril removed due to chemical burns, and they offered to use a skin graft from his backside...he stood up and told the doctor that there was no way in hell he would want to walk around sniffing his own ass every day.



Personally, I voted yes to cut. I have been involved with that conversation due to the MANY people in/around me being pregnant right now (none are mine! Honest!). They all ask me why...I think that it is mainly because I cannot honestly even imagine being uncut.

[Dregor Thule]

I've learned too much info about Truant today!

DEFINITELY snip it, anyone who says doing that to a kid is traumatizing, bullshit. I'd be traumitized looking down and seeing an uncut one I think.

[Lalanae]

Do believe any of the bullshit anti-circ stuff floating around. Cut it.

I came across a forum several years back where people posted about it. There were many posts from men who had it done later in life and all of them said it was the best decision they ever made. Their wives were more interested in felatio and they had less hygeine problems. I wish I could find it now...

From a personal experience, I've been with about 4 guys who were uncircumcized and even in the best case (where the guy was emaculate with it), their was an odor from time to time. Its a turn off.

Plus there are medical reasons why you should:

Lower risks of penile cancer
AIDs risk reduction http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/2754/hiv052002.htm
Reduced risks of infection
May cut risk of cervical cancer in partners http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/275 ... 042002.htm

There's more if you can wade through the propaganda by those who think its a bad thing. Another article:

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/275 ... herson.htm

[Xzion]

I would say cut, since i am and i dont have any complaints, and girls( at least in the US) will never complain just becouse its cut, but might if its uncut, even though i know its not that common in europe
and dude, a full grown person would not get a circumsision, you know how fucking painful that would be, I wouldnt go threw that for almost anything

[Lalanae]

Anyway, the discussion came up with my Doctor on whether to circumcise or not. Her practice does not encourage circumcision because there is no real medical reason to do it and it's purely for aesthetics.

Uhh you need a new doctor....

[Drustwyn]

I would say cut. Reason: Smegma.

[Lalanae]

The cleanliness issues are a myth. It's every bit as clean whether you're cut or uncut.

I've had a lot more dicks in front of my face than you (unless...) and I can say that you are wrong. I've never encountered a smelly circumcized dick, but every one that was uncut smelled at one point or another. Sorry, but its a fact.

And as far as complications, one of the articles I linked said between .02% and 2% or something. LIFE is more risky than that.

[Forthe]

Anyway, the discussion came up with my Doctor on whether to circumcise or not. Her practice does not encourage circumcision because there is no real medical reason to do it and it's purely for aesthetics.

Uhh you need a new doctor....

I bet the Africans that circumcise girls feel as strongly about it as you do.

Mutilation justification.

[Forthe]

Let him decide when he is able.

Smartest thing said in this thread.

[Fesuni Chopsui]

Don't cut it.

1. Most people are cut. Speaking as someone who loves cock, an uncut one is more exciting, simply based on rarity alone.

2. Though very unlikely, there is a chance of accident when the circumcission takes place. It would really suck to have part of the head cut off.

3. There is such a thing a foreskin restoration. The fact that such a thing exists is an indication that some men who are cut at birth end up eventually wanting it back. It is a lot easier to be circumsized as an adult than to have it reconstored. Let him decide when he is able.

As someone else who also loves teh cock...I say cut it, foreskin is not exciting at all unless you are Dar, if anything it's a turn off

[Pilsburry]

I'd say the largest problem with getting it done later is by the time he can decide, there is the issue of getting a hard-on. I can't imagine that would be good if you wanted to keep scarring to a minimum.

[Dregor Thule]

Anyway, the discussion came up with my Doctor on whether to circumcise or not. Her practice does not encourage circumcision because there is no real medical reason to do it and it's purely for aesthetics.

Uhh you need a new doctor....

I bet the Africans that circumcise girls feel as strongly about it as you do.

Mutilation justification.

Did Forthe ebay his VV account and did Cartalas buy it?

Yes, pro-male circumsision is definitely mutilation. How about we not cut the umbilical chord at all? That tooth is rotten? Keep it in! Oh FUCK NO, don't cut your kids nails or hair!

Snipping the foreskin is a lot different than slicing the labia. I can't believe you even tried to use that argument.

[Kelshara]

- Cleanliness: Has everything to do with the person, and nada to do with wether you are cut or not. Plenty of research has been done on this issue (I think it even has been debated here once before).

- Women screaming when they see it? Puhlease! Never had that happen, never had any males comment on it in locker rooms etc. And never had any women complain about it either

Uhh you need a new doctor....

Actually no, her doctor is fine.

As somebody who is uncut I'll NEVER do that to a kid. Ever. It's nothing but pure BS and a nasty tradition which is pretty much only practiced in the US.

[Forthe]

Anyway, the discussion came up with my Doctor on whether to circumcise or not. Her practice does not encourage circumcision because there is no real medical reason to do it and it's purely for aesthetics.

Uhh you need a new doctor....

I bet the Africans that circumcise girls feel as strongly about it as you do.

Mutilation justification.

Did Forthe ebay his VV account and did Cartalas buy it?

Yes, pro-male circumsision is definitely mutilation. How about we not cut the umbilical chord at all? That tooth is rotten? Keep it in! Oh FUCK NO, don't cut your kids nails or hair!

Snipping the foreskin is a lot different than slicing the labia. I can't believe you even tried to use that argument.

Well cutting off the foreskin is much closer to cutting of the labia than say a comparison of cutting hair or nails .

The point of the comment was not the acts themselves but the conviction of the people that let bullshit social myths\beliefs justify mutilation of children. And yes I do consider the unneccessary cutting off of flesh from a baby mutilation.

[Sionistic]

Who wants TMI?

[Malkata]

It's an unneded part of skin that servers no purpose other then to up the chance of getting infections.

ya I know being clean ya would have less chance but seriously this is a boy. what about the 18 years when he is not great at taking care of his hygine? Ya'll are gamers.. tell me what percentage of guys ages 3 to 21 are perfectly clean 100% of the time?

My husband says he doesn't remember getting it done but it glad his mom did it to him. at a couple hours old I think being born is a more tramatic event then getting this done.. and its not like the baby feels it. they do use medicine to numb them. so it's no more then getting there nails or hair cut like was said before. and it is in nooo way like a female circumsision..

the female version cuts the nerve bundles so females will never feel any pleasure down there ever... the male version does no such thing and just takes away extra skin that eveloution hasn't figured out we dont' need yet. so it is in no way compareable.

[Lalanae]

Female circumcision is NOT comparable. It is purely a cultural decision that has an actual drawback. The clitoris is removed and therfore no sexual feeling is achieved. Thats comparable to castration.

The foreskin traps urine, ejaculate, sweat, which all form bacteria which not only can smell but can spread infection.

I dated a guy who was VERY clean and even used toilet paper on his dick after peeing so the urine wouldnt get trapped. 90% of the time it didn't smell, but he put a lot of work into it and it still did on occasion.

Girls may not scream when they see it, but most girls prefer a cut dick over an uncut one and seeing an uncut one for the first time is always talked about as somthing weird. While I don't think its weird, I was always reluctant to head south with worry that today he might have sweat a little.

Also, men come quicker with a foreskin, for the most part. They have higher incidences of premature ejaculation.

[Sionistic]

ok i warned yall first

I am not cut. When someone said how sex could actually be painfull because the foreskin gets pulled too tight, they are correct. I'm an 18 year old gamer and I keep my parts in VERY clean condition. I have not noticed any problems with stamina. It's a mindgame, sometimes I last a little while, sometimes a long while, its all in the brain. I cant coment too much on sex well because I hadnt had any

spare me your TMI's

[Vaemas]

I'm cut, my brothers aren't. If it were my choice, I'd say cut. Thankfully I don't remember any of it but my mother commented once that I screamed like a banshee...

Do him a favor and take care of it while he's a child.

[Ebumar]

True story here. No I am not gay. My friend is uncut, and I am cut. One time we were with two girls, him and I, we both were naked and both were limp at the time. His was noticably longer than mine, BUT, when we grew errect, mine turned out to be the bigger. Why? I don't know, maybe because he is uncut? I don't know. All I know is that we tagteamed and it was great ^_^.

[Deneve]

The foreskin serves zero purpose and has no benefit in modern civilization. It was part of a human design when there was no clothing to protect and it all hung out, so the extra skin protected the p3nix from damage...now there is no need for the sheath...so snip once and the child will not remember it, provide easier hygene for the teen years and beyond and make life a lot easier in general, do him a favor and snip the leftover from a time long past...

[Sionistic]

the one good advantage is that your hands wont smell like spit

[Neziroth]

The foreskin serves zero purpose and has no benefit in modern civilization.

Wrong. Foreskin is actually very sensative, while it may be a cause of premature ejaculation, it's not someting that will ALWAYS cause it.

I'm uncut, I have no problems keeping clean. It takes 30 seconds to clean 'down there' and then you move on with your day. Nothing horrible about that that i can see. There's no smell, I guarentee any woman has a stronger oder than any well kept uncut guy, do I run screaming from women? No.

As for sexual experiences, if a woman won't date me because i have some extra skin, then what the fuck would I want with her anyhow? If something that small keeps you from getting to know somebody then YOU'RE the one with the problem, not the guy.

All this "his future wife will thank you" shit is nothing but bull.

Cut the kid if you want but take it from me, there's not one good reason to. I've done research, because I was curious. Uncut guys can be just as clean, just as good in bed with more sensation than any circumsised guy, and, contrary to the beleifs of some of you, can lead a normal healthy life.

[Kelshara]

Girls may not scream when they see it, but most girls prefer a cut dick over an uncut one and seeing an uncut one for the first time is always talked about as somthing weird.

Funny, the women I have dated and those I know who date men who are uncut say the oppsite.. maybe it is YOU and not WOMEN? Hum what a thought..

Also, men come quicker with a foreskin, for the most part. They have higher incidences of premature ejaculation.

And you would know this how?

There's no smell, I guarentee any woman has a stronger oder than any well kept uncut guy, do I run screaming from women? No.

Amen.

[Pilsburry]

On one hand I know there is a reason they gave the cottage cheese looking stuff that gathers in the foreskin a name.

On the otherhand I know it's only aproblem if you don't wash yourself..and most cases guys over 18 will shower daily, unless they are a total slob and then they deserve whatever cheese build-up they aquire.

As for guys under 18 maybe being not as clean, I'd say make that age more like 13...because most guys 14-18 will wash that fucker 4x a day. Cut or uncut.

As for Ebumar...the size of the erect penis varies, it's not directly correspondant to the size of the non-erect penis. Uncut males will have bigger non-erect penises, but as for erect, you weren't bigger because you were uncut...if anything the uncut guy might grab a millimeter or two, but nothing serious. It's all about the folds...some guys just walk around dangling, others just shrivel up better (or worse however you look at it).

As for sensitivity I'm cut, and I have no complaints. I have never left unsatisfied.

I'm pro-cut, just because it's something most girls expect to see, andit's best to get it young. I don't thinkt he girls will really run away screaming, but the first time they see one uncut, I wouldn't doubt they are taken by suprise a little. Cut is just more aesthetically pleasing or whatever. It's easier to clean, it's what the majority have. And if there is in fact an odor (never smelled a penis cut or uncut, nor do I want to) then by all means, get it cut.

[Canelek]

My penis is a beacon to all women....the magnificent head rising above all, with no hood. DO NOT DENY IT! Do not mistake it... it is amazing and enticing.

My penis rules all...there shall be no arguments against the might...and the fury..

[Marbus]

I have a 10 month old son (10 months yesterday ) and we went through this decision about a year ago. While they say there are not medical reasons I can tell you from working in a child psych unit and in Child Life that a lot of kids (boys and girls) just don't wash as well as they should. For a little boy who is not cut it will be much more difficult for you to teach him, and make sure, he keeps clean all the time. Little fingernails grow VERY quickly and a scratch from an unclean area could lead to all kinds of infections, some of which are very difficult to kill with childrens antibiotics. As someone mentioned early in the thread... stuff can get kind funky down there.

There are 2 ways they do it now, the "new" way is to put a little cap over the head and put a tight string around there till the skin falls off. This reminded me too much of how you castrate bulls so we opted for the old style where they just snip it. You put vasleen on it for about 3 days and it's all healed up.

And who knows... someday he might want to become Jewish and you DO NOT want him to have to go through it once he grows up

Marb

[Truant]

Maybe I'm the only uncut male who has zero harmful side effects.

Cleanliness, etc...i'm the kind of guy who likes to keep his whole body clean. It's not that big of a deal to clean yourself...if you are someone that doesn't bother to wash behind your ears...well then cleaning your penis may be too hard for you...otherwise, you're golden.

As far as getting urine, ejaculate or anything else in the foreskin...I have nfc how you could pull that off...I don't piss on myself, and i make sure i'm done dripping before I put it away...as for ejaculate...well, wash after you have sex? this is pretty much common sense anyways.

Odor? Never.

Again, I maybe the exception, but seriously, i have nfc what you all are talking about all the 'dangers' of non-circumsized penii.

Hayley, I want you to do what you think is best, of course...but I have to stand up and defend my foreskin...dammit!

edit - about painful foreskin during sexual activity...no, never. Foreskin does however assist in certain sexual activities, as said...you can perform certain acts without the need of any sort of lubrication, which has benefits...unless you consider lube a condiment...

[Kelshara]

I find it funny how there are so many health risks and crap if you are not circumcžWaX...

..but only in the US!

[emmer]

Cut it.

Within the inner surface of the foreskin are glands which produce smegma, scientifically known as "dick cheese". Smegma is essentially an unnecessary natural lubricant composed of living cells growing on the inside of your foreskin which undergo a fatty degeneration to make dick cheese. Even if you wash yourself 10x a day, you're still fighting an uphill battle with these glands which manufacture the stuff 24/7.

Look at it this way, if you think your son is going to value his dick cheese a lot, don't circumcise him. However, if you think he would appreciate you removing something he is going to have to work to keep clean, which serves no real purpose other than looking weird, then do it.



*edit* - the amount of foreskin discussed is inversely proportional to the amount of proof reading I do

[Sanaelya]

ack you're reproducing !



grats:))

[kyoukan]

dear god cut the fucking thing. as a connoisseur of penises, cut ones are so much grander in appearance and performance. it really is a no brainer.