Orson Scott Card on Mp3's

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 18, 2003, 11:22 am

Not commenting, just providing the link, so Kyoukan you can blow me now, so I can save time telling you later.

http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2003-09-07-1.html

Post by **Sylvus** » September 18, 2003, 11:40 am

Orson Scott Card wrote:Copyright © 2003 by Orson Scott Card.

I found that funny, you think that was an actual notice or was that a little tongue-in-cheek? While I've heard of OSC, I've never really read him and I am not familiar with his sense of humor.

At any rate, it was a decent article. It was similar to the article that Drolgin posted in the Audiophilia forum, I hope there is an increasing trend of artists speaking out against the people that pay them. It could be the only way we see change.

I hadn't ever really thought about "upgrading", as Card put it. I had a shitload of VHS tapes that I ended up buying DVDs for, if I bought the license to view that work once, shouldn't I be able to own it in whatever format without buying another license for it?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 18, 2003, 12:46 pm

Yes lets find out what writers think of stealing music.

Next week we'll find out what Harrison Ford thinks about downloading video games.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 18, 2003, 12:51 pm

I would say he certainly has better insight into copyright issues and more of a stake in protecting intellectual property than I do. He's certainly more qualified to speak on the issue than most of the clowns on this board that I read on a daily basis, and a better writer to boot!

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 18, 2003, 1:03 pm

I've read him. Sometimes he gets pretentious, but he's talented-- Enders Game is a pretty interesting book.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 18, 2003, 1:07 pm

Sylvus wrote:I would say he certainly has better insight into copyright issues and more of a stake in protecting intellectual property than I do. He's certainly more qualified to speak on the issue than most of the clowns on this board that I read on a daily basis, and a better writer to boot!

who asked you, whitey!

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » September 18, 2003, 2:24 pm

Kyo,

Just for a sanity check, why don't you drop the angry at the world persona for a moment and say something nice.

You know, like you enjoyed some TV show last night etc.

Just one nice and happy statement.

How was your dinner last night? Do you enjoy it?

Post by **Sylvus** » September 18, 2003, 2:58 pm

kyoukan wrote:who asked you, whitey!

Racist!

Uh oh, I'm not being a very good lap dog today...

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 18, 2003, 3:02 pm

Bahahahahahah

that was awesome Adex

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 18, 2003, 4:05 pm

His take on copyright law (and the manipulation of it) is pretty accurate.

The replacement market is also valid. I never thought about it, but I had to buy quite a few CD's to replace the cassettes I'd bought and liked enough to want to hear in digital quality. However, I've replaced all the Beatles, Zepplin, B Boys, Metallica, ect. tapes I had and haven't bought a dupe in about 3 years.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » September 18, 2003, 4:19 pm

From what I've heard, Harrison Ford is pro downloading video games, but only japanese import hentai games.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 18, 2003, 5:37 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:Kyo,

Just for a sanity check, why don't you drop the angry at the world persona for a moment and say something nice.

You know, like you enjoyed some TV show last night etc.

Just one nice and happy statement.

How was your dinner last night? Do you enjoy it?

it was a fucking joke you tightass. why don't you drop your passive-aggresive, homophobic, bible beater persona?

Janx · Post by **Janx** » September 18, 2003, 7:10 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Adex_Xeda wrote:Kyo,

Just for a sanity check, why don't you drop the angry at the world persona for a moment and say something nice.

You know, like you enjoyed some TV show last night etc.

Just one nice and happy statement.

How was your dinner last night? Do you enjoy it?
it was a fucking joke you tightass. why don't you drop your passive-aggresive, homophobic, bible beater persona?

See, that wasnt so hard was it.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » September 18, 2003, 8:05 pm

Couple of salient points in his essay:

1) The "lost sales" figures are based on the same numbers that the games industry works on: Pirated Copies x Price Per Copy. Everyone in both industries knows this number is incredibly inflated, but it's the biggest number they can "reasonably" come up with to attempt to promote some outrage from the powers that be. They also don't take into account that people, myself amongst them, will go out and buy an original CD/game after being able to sample the full product, why else do they think there's such a large market for DVD's of movies you've already seen?

2) The music industry's sales have been boosted by MP3's in the same way that radio did. In fact, they know their sales are down because they keep pumping out mass produced filth and calling it art, but they need a scape goat and 12 year olds downloading nursery rhymes is *perfect*

Oh, and before you wankers start in, yes it's legally stealing, but I'm not depriving any starving artist of anything if I download something that I otherwise would never have bought.. and I can assure you, and the music industry, that no college kid is going to stop downloading 100 MP3's a month and start spending $200/month on CDs. Maybe $20, but they're probably already doing that now.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » September 18, 2003, 10:19 pm

Ah Kyo isn't that bad,

I remember back when I played having two or three conversations with her where she was quite witty and cordial.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 19, 2003, 1:43 am

kyoukan wrote:
Adex_Xeda wrote:Kyo,

Just for a sanity check, why don't you drop the angry at the world persona for a moment and say something nice.

You know, like you enjoyed some TV show last night etc.

Just one nice and happy statement.

How was your dinner last night? Do you enjoy it?
it was a fucking joke you tightass. why don't you drop your passive-aggresive, homophobic, bible beater persona?

Whatever, penis-lacker...

haha, i beat you at your own game!

(didn't i?)