New Batman Revealed!

noel · Post by **noel** » September 12, 2003, 9:21 pm

http://www.superherohype.com/batman/index.php?id=113

Christian Bale will play Batman in the upcoming movie. Rumor has it that Ras Al Gul will be the bad guy.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 12, 2003, 9:23 pm

Hopefully, the next movie won't suck like every other one, save for the first Batman. I liked the first one, then it went south....

Bale was AWESOME in American Psycho!!!

a_guide · Post by **a_guide** » September 12, 2003, 10:34 pm

He's also plays the boy who announces Sir John's death in Henry V

Love at first sight for me

*hugs* a_guide

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 12, 2003, 10:43 pm

It will be interesting to see what Nolan will do with this movie.

As far as Batman though, Keaton > all.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 13, 2003, 12:22 am

Absolutely. Keaton was great.

After the success of the first movie, which was quite good, it became a matter of:

Who cares that the script is shit!!?!? Let's just get more big names in this and watch the money come in!!

It was very disappointing watching Batman 2, and fragments of the next...

It was all a matter of getting whoever is 'hot' at the moment and throwing them into roles they had no knowledge of...they didn't even care it seemed.... Clooney and Kilmer are both, for the most part, good actors....they were flat out terrible! Carrey, Arnold, DeVito, Thurman, Phiffer(sp), etc(Uma is an extraordinary actress). have all had shining moments in past movies, but they all had the personalities of Romero's zombies in these crap films.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 13, 2003, 12:27 am

I liked the second one, I just didn't like how much focus was on The Penguin. Besides, Christopher Walken was in that.

Drolgin Steingrinder · September 13, 2003, 11:48 am

It's the nature of the villain that sets apart Batman 1 and 2: The Joker is crazy and wild, but he's not ridiculous like The Penguin is - that, and the fact that Burton's gothic Gotham wasn't a surprise come #2.

The true travesty didn't start until #3. What the FUCK were they thinking?
They didn't even match the camp mood of the late 60s Adam West / Burt Ward series, they just sucked. Gone was the entire Miller-esque feeling of the two first movies - what's Batman without the nihilism? He's Miss Marple in a bodysuit - who knows martial arts and has clever toys. Val Kilmer as Batman? Oh please. George Clooney? Sorry, too much charm, not enough dark side.

Who's next? No, wait, don't tell me, I can sense it:

BATMAN FOREVER AND EVER starring

BEN AFFLECK as BATMAN
LEONARDO DiCAPRIO as ROBIN
and
KEVIN SPACEY as WHATEVER STUPID VILLAIN WE HAVEN'T INCLUDED IN ONE OF OUR ASSTASTIC MOVIES YET

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 13, 2003, 12:42 pm

You forgot Avril Lavigne as Batgirl!

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 13, 2003, 12:49 pm

you mean B@tg1rl

Abelard · Post by **Abelard** » September 13, 2003, 1:29 pm

I liked clooney as batman thx.

Drolgin Steingrinder · September 13, 2003, 1:32 pm

Good for you, I think he was horribly miscast. I like him in most other things I've seen him in, he's got that mischievous charm as well as a tough guy edge, but he's not Batman.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 13, 2003, 1:36 pm

Yo soy El Batman! Dios mio!

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 13, 2003, 1:45 pm

The creator of Batman says that Clooney captures teh Batman that he drew in the comics the best, he created batman so you know...

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » September 13, 2003, 2:02 pm

what batman badguys are left?

Drolgin Steingrinder · September 13, 2003, 2:05 pm

Talking about Bob Kane? The Batman of the 1940s is a far cry from the Batman of today - to my mind, the artist that's captured the spirit of Batman the best is clearly Frank Miller. His work on The Dark Knight was the obvious inspiration for Tim Burton's movies (as well as being groundbreaking work in general) - for some reason, Batman started making sense: He is a misanthropic, bitter, manic-depressive *frustrated* man - as The Joker says in Alan Moore and Brian Bolland's "The Killing Joke",

There's no difference between me and everyone else. All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.

Batman isn't sane. He's obsessive, compulsive, violent, infinately narcissistic man with a Messiah complex the size of the pacific. And I don't care what they say, there just isn't enough of a dark side in George Clooney to play that.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 13, 2003, 2:09 pm

Well you go girl! *Zorro snap*

Drolgin Steingrinder · September 13, 2003, 2:31 pm

Vaemas · Post by **Vaemas** » September 13, 2003, 3:04 pm

I have to agree with Drolgin's assessment of Batman.

I enjoyed Keaton's Batman, Kilmer was just...well, that movie had Jim Carrey in it so that's really all I need to say. GC was a cardboard cutout as usual. Will be interesting to see how Christian Bale holds up.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 13, 2003, 3:35 pm

I personally think Keaton was darkest but that may be because of the perception of less speaking lines he had in the movie. Him not talking much coupled with his sombre demenor throughout the flick gave an air of dark mystery. All the other batmen seemed too jolly and smiled way too much.

Cracc · Post by **Cracc** » September 14, 2003, 12:35 am

The mad hatter featuring in this perhaps?

Revs · Post by **Revs** » September 14, 2003, 10:46 pm

Hmm, I dunno. They better find a hot piece of ass to play Ra's Al Ghul's daughter, Talia

Howard Stern as Scarecrow!

Ennia · Post by **Ennia** » September 15, 2003, 12:01 pm

Christian Bale always brings back memories of Little Women where he played Winnona Ryder's childhood love. He was cute in that movie.

I can't see him as Batman though.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » September 15, 2003, 1:19 pm

It's "young batman" though and I think he'll be pretty good.

Anyone who doesn't like Batman Returns is wrong, btw.
Leave it!

Taly · Post by **Taly** » September 15, 2003, 2:23 pm

OMG halle Berry as catwoman. ouy! this has to be a nightmare

Bring Pfieffer back!

noel · Post by **noel** » September 15, 2003, 3:38 pm

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:Batman isn't sane. He's obsessive, compulsive, violent, infinately narcissistic man with a Messiah complex the size of the pacific. And I don't care what they say, there just isn't enough of a dark side in George Clooney to play that.

I totally agree here with Drolgin. Batman is awesome, but he's incredibly wacked. I think Physically, Clooney matches up with Wayne/Batman better than all of the other actors. For that reason alone, Keaton never worked for me. I think Kilmer could have done it had he been given a script, but I like Kilmer so YMMV.

I also agree with Taly. Halle Berry is probably one of the most overrated female actors of our time.

Stalker Vacio · Post by **Stalker Vacio** » September 15, 2003, 5:48 pm

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:It's the nature of the villain that sets apart Batman 1 and 2: The Joker is crazy and wild, but he's not ridiculous like The Penguin is - that, and the fact that Burton's gothic Gotham wasn't a surprise come #2.

The true travesty didn't start until #3. What the FUCK were they thinking?
They didn't even match the camp mood of the late 60s Adam West / Burt Ward series, they just sucked. Gone was the entire Miller-esque feeling of the two first movies - what's Batman without the nihilism? He's Miss Marple in a bodysuit - who knows martial arts and has clever toys. Val Kilmer as Batman? Oh please. George Clooney? Sorry, too much charm, not enough dark side.

Who's next? No, wait, don't tell me, I can sense it:

BATMAN FOREVER AND EVER starring

BEN AFFLECK as BATMAN
LEONARDO DiCAPRIO as ROBIN
and
KEVIN SPACEY as WHATEVER STUPID VILLAIN WE HAVEN'T INCLUDED IN ONE OF OUR ASSTASTIC MOVIES YET

Kevin Spacey as K-PAC!!!

oooooh watch out batman!!!

seriously though Batman vs. Spawn would pown

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 15, 2003, 6:05 pm

Lets hope there are no nipples or ambiguously gay cod-pieces in this one.

a_guide · Post by **a_guide** » September 15, 2003, 7:15 pm

whats wrong with nipples?

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » September 15, 2003, 8:41 pm

HURRAH I LOVE CHRISTIAN BALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*happy happy dance dance joy joy*

He was adorable in Empire of the Sun and I fell in love with him in Newsies. The boy has talent, a fine batman he will be!

RAWR!

Syenye Squirrellyelf · September 15, 2003, 8:49 pm

christian bale played jesus in a miniseries. he also had a sex scene with ewan mcgregor. in a different movie, of course. should be interesting.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » September 15, 2003, 9:45 pm

Most people haven't seen or even heard of for that matter, a movie Christian Bale was in called Equilibrium. But if you like him at all, I strongly recommend looking for it. It's kind of like The Matrix mixed with Gattica in a way.. It's all I think about when I think of his name these days. Pretty good movie.

Lor · Post by **Lor** » September 15, 2003, 11:15 pm

Imo the worst thing they did was to start teaming up the Bad guys, although Riddler and Two Face did make a pretty good team... The first Batman was so good because they focused on The Joker, one story line.... none of that jumping around crap. Another big mistake they made, why kill off the villian? they could have done a lot more with Joker, Two Face and Penguin, Maybe some cameo appearences just to let you know they are still causing trouble in Gotham.

Oh yea, the topic..... Keaton>Kilmer>Bale>Clooney

I thought GC did an asstastic job at Batman... sorry GC fans

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 15, 2003, 11:42 pm

Batman 2 was okay. Three was awful, four was just a fucking travesty.

Clooney actually publically apologized for Batman and Robin.

Somebody needs to fucking hit hollywood over the head with a bat until they cast Ray Liotta as Batman/Bruce Wayne.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 15, 2003, 11:46 pm

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:Batman isn't sane. He's obsessive, compulsive, violent, infinately narcissistic man with a Messiah complex the size of the pacific. And I don't care what they say, there just isn't enough of a dark side in George Clooney to play that.

That was just Miller's representation of him. Bob Kane's Batman was just a crimefighter dude in a bat suit.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 17, 2003, 11:41 pm

Bu bu bu but Batgirl was Hawt!

Actually I miss Adam West and Burt Ward doing the tv series.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 18, 2003, 9:19 am

If I could subtract vv's from you for saying that, I would.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » September 18, 2003, 1:49 pm

What they need to do is get Tim Burton back in the directors seat and get the dark gotham look back. Not the fruity over-colored, cheesy crap they have used in the last 2 movies.

Revs · Post by **Revs** » September 18, 2003, 11:07 pm

Keverian FireCry wrote:What they need to do is get Tim Burton back in the directors seat and get the dark gotham look back. Not the fruity over-colored, cheesy crap they have used in the last 2 movies.

Two words: Frank Miller

Drolgin Steingrinder · September 18, 2003, 11:44 pm

That was just Miller's representation of him. Bob Kane's Batman was just a crimefighter dude in a bat suit.

I'd have to disagree. The original Batman was a crimefighter dude in a bat suit, but he was much darker and gloomier than most other heroes of the era (except The Shadow, on who Batman is loosely based). It wasn't until the 1940s and WW2 that Batman turned into another polished propaganda feature.

Superman was the all-american, square chinned type - an archetype in american culture. Batman is the other kind. He's the lone gunslinger who does whatever it takes, and kills if necessary (in his third Detective Comics apperance, he actually had a gun). Think Charles Bronson, think Clint Eastwood. Batman is the quintessential antihero and always has been, the nihilism wasn't something Miller thought up; Bob Kane borrowed from The Shadow, from Chandler, from Runyon, and imbued his character with it from the beginning.

EDIT:

Let me add to that, a little. Where Superman lives in an almost-perfect world - even the criminals are square-chinned and clean-shaven, the world of Batman was, from the start, an ugly one. Attribute this to Bob Kane's drawing skills or lack thereof if you will, but fact remains that both the thugs he fought and the 'supervillains' he encountered all looked like something that has crawled out of a sewer and into the seediest of carnival sideshows - Clayface, Doctor Death and The Penguin (forget the effete, foppish midget with the umbrella from the animated series, the original one was more akin to the creature in Tim Burton's second movie).

Batman was never 'just' a crimefighter - he was a vigilante in the truest sense of the word, operating outside the law and the ordinary limits. And that's where the fascination lies. I was never a great fan of Superman. Sure, he can fly and he's got that fancy flowing cape, he has superstrength, but he's far too clean-shaven for me - when it comes down to it, he's boring.

Batman, on the other hand, is human, and flawed. He does what we wish we could do - not fly, or move mountains, or run around the world in the blink of an eye: He rights wrongs. He punishes the wicked. And he does so without having to answer to the politicians, to the courts, to anything but his own sense of justice. Of what is fair. He is a vigilante, but he's our vigilante. Harsh, cruel sometimes, but ultimately always on the side of Right.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 22, 2003, 2:10 pm

It's his obsession that enables him to push his mind and body far beyond normal humans. He's got no real superpowers other that the fact that he's insane and rich. IMO, his success as CEO of Wayne Enterprises is also related to this hyper-focused drive.

Batman without the crazy is just a fag in tights.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » September 22, 2003, 2:16 pm

i've always thought batman was a piece of shit.

seriously in Superfriends all the Legion of Doom had to do was get his fucking belt away from him and he was powerless.

and yes Superfriends trumps all other sources of information.

the movies have appropriately represented what an utter piece of shit Batman is.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » September 23, 2003, 12:12 am

Voro, superfriends is a poor representation of batman, or any of the JLA characters.

As drolgin himself told me a few days ago when we were discussing this subject, find batman without his belt, and that's when things get really good.

I personally liked a hero such as batman, the one that didn't have any powers, the one that was...human. He doesn't fight the evil and injustice because he's got this massive stack of super powers...and well, wtf else do you do with super powers...he has a deeper reason to be involved in the war.

That said, I'm not a big fan of the movies...

noel · Post by **noel** » September 23, 2003, 12:59 am

Hahah... Voro was joking.