Texas

Owenn · Post by **Owenn** » September 14, 2003, 3:02 am

Fuck Mack Brown and his pansy ass statements after the game blaming the 'crazy' fans coming out of the wood work after a loss.

Fuck two of the shittiest, unchanging, pathetic excuses for co-ordinators, Greg Davis and Bull Reese.

The honeymoon is over in Austin, Mack better fire some coaches after this year or face the chopping block himself.

Felt better to say that, thanks.... :

Post by **Xouqoa** » September 14, 2003, 3:40 am

Any 'texas sucks' comments, and there will be bannings!

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 14, 2003, 3:42 am

Their actions speak for themselves.

Crav · Post by **Crav** » September 14, 2003, 4:17 am

I have to agree with the idea of changing coordinators. I think what Mack's done is great I was going to school there the last few years of Mackovic's tenure and the beginning of Brown's and Mack really turned the program around. Still the season isn't over yet and there is still a lot of football to be played. I think a change of offensive coordinators would be a good idea, maybe find someone that can figure out how to run the ball consistently.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 14, 2003, 3:06 pm

Fuck yeah! Being from Little Rock, I have always been a loyal 'Backs fan.

WOOOOOPIIIIGGGGGSOOOOIIIIEEEEEEE!!!!!

Arkansas ranked 18 now!

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 14, 2003, 8:53 pm

Texas has been stuck in the same game for several seasons. They have limited themselves, and other teams learn how to take advantage of it. Before the season, Mack Brown came out saying that they were going to give more freedom to the players to change the gameplay overall....All I have seen is the same shit from them that they have done for several years.

I am still a huge 'Horns fan, but I think that if the coach says he's going to do something that would be GOOD for the team just to make other defensive coordinators wonder, then he better actually DO it.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 15, 2003, 11:07 am

I don't uderstand how a team that brings in so much talent every year can cough up 2-3 hairballs every season. He may be a great recruiter, but Brown is a fucking horrible coach.

In closing, HOW BOUT DEM HOGS?!?

Owenn · Post by **Owenn** » September 16, 2003, 2:39 am

Dem Hogs were certainly impressive this weekend. At least they showed passion and desire to win a game. That QB of theirs is pretty damn talented with the rock. Texas gave them a couple of gifts, but overall they beat the shit out of us on both lines all day long.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » September 16, 2003, 11:05 am

Texas may be the most overrated football program in the country. always ranked high early in the year, but ultimately never delivering anything.

have they ever even been in a BCS bowl?

i checked their history and i dont think they have.

Was the 1997 Fiesta Bowl a BCS bowl? i thought it started in 1998. Either way, Texas got spanked by Penn St in that game.

they have gone to the Cotton Bowl (x3) and the Holiday Bowl a couple times i see. Those bowls dont mean shit, so they dont get discussed.

Back to 1995, Sugar Bowl, VT spanks Texas.

1994 Sun bowl. um OK

1991 Cotton Bowl (was a new years day bowl back then). Miami 46 Texas 3. Miami had 202 yards in penalties! Ah the Jimmy Johnson days

So in summary, Texas hasnt been in a bowl that counted since 1997. Texas hasnt won a bowl that was worth a shit since the 1982 Cotton Bowl.

sooooo weee (or whatever you Arkansas crackers say

).

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 16, 2003, 11:26 am

BCS started in 1998.

Texas as with any Big 12 team is majorly overrated. The only teams they face that are worth a damn are each other. Those teams consist of Oklahoma, Nebraska (rofl at past 3 years), and Texas. Maybe sometime they can come east and play some real teams for once instead of hogging the top 5 for the whole season until some no name knocks them off.

Happens every fucking year.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 16, 2003, 12:06 pm

That's Woooooooo PIIIIIGGGGG SOOOOOIEEEEE, Voro

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 16, 2003, 1:09 pm

Texas as with any Big 12 team is majorly overrated. The only teams they face that are worth a damn are each other. Those teams consist of Oklahoma, Nebraska (rofl at past 3 years), and Texas. Maybe sometime they can come east and play some real teams for once instead of hogging the top 5 for the whole season until some no name knocks them off.

Happens every fucking year.
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Yes, Oklahoma is overrated every year. But Ohio St. is really a top 5 team. No, really they are.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » September 16, 2003, 1:58 pm

Who has Oklahoma beat the past 2 years?

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 16, 2003, 2:13 pm

Raistin wrote:Who has Oklahoma beat the past 2 years?

Hmmmm. SMU??

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 16, 2003, 2:22 pm

Big 12 haters come out of the woodwork. lol.

I wasn't kidding, Oklahoma is overrated. We actually suck.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 16, 2003, 2:37 pm

Not counting Big 12 teams, last year they resoundly thrashed Washington State, and that's about it for big wins. Everyone else they beat was either from a minor conference or was a major conference team having a down year. In 2001, they beat Arkansas, who finished 7-5 that year.

Of course, this makes me wonder: Is this normal? Do teams in every conference do this?

Georgia, in the same timeframe, has beaten Florida State (last year) and no one of note the year before.

Miami beat Florida last year, Florida and Florida State last year, Penn State, Florida State, Washington and Nebraska in 2001.

Michigan beat Notre Dame this year, Florida last year, and no one the year before.

Ohio State has beaten NC State and Washington this year (both of whom may admittedly have been overrated), Washington State and Miami last year, and no one the prior year.

And finally, USC beat Auburn, Colorado, Notre Dame and Iowa last year, and no one really the year before, when they weren't very good.

So what does all that tell us? Well, Miami looks like the most successful team. Of course, 4 of their big victories came in their championship season of 2001, and the only big wins they have since then are beating up on their bitches in-state.

Ohio State beat two real good opponents last year, when they were national champions. So, we can conclusively draw the conclusion that championship teams tend to be good.

However, with the exception of USC last year and Miami's in-state sweep, none of the teams I looked at have had more than 1 good out of conference win per year. Regardless of conference (i ignored the acc because it sucks), this seems to hold true.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 16, 2003, 4:22 pm

The BCS started earlier than '98, because the Gators went to the Fiesta Bowl in Jan of '96. The Rose Bowl didn't join until a couple years later because they were still under contract to the PAC 10 and Big 11.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 16, 2003, 4:23 pm

We're still the Big 10, we just have 11 teams!

Odd, yes...

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 16, 2003, 4:30 pm

Sylvus wrote:We're still the Big 10, we just have 11 teams!

But only 10 fingers. Coincidence? I think not!

Post by **Sylvus** » September 16, 2003, 4:34 pm

If you really want to see it, I can show you my eleventh finger.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 16, 2003, 5:27 pm

masteen wrote:The BCS started earlier than '98, because the Gators went to the Fiesta Bowl in Jan of '96. The Rose Bowl didn't join until a couple years later because they were still under contract to the PAC 10 and Big 11.

I believe it was the infamous Michigan/Nebraska Champion tie in 1997-8 that implemented the BCS.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 16, 2003, 5:29 pm

No, the BCS was already on its way before that happened. Michigan knew going into that game that it was the last Rose Bowl of old, the controversy surrounding our sharing the title with Nebraska didn't cause the BCS to form.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 16, 2003, 8:11 pm

The BCS could/should be another topic anyhow.

As for Texas, yeah, they were WAY overrated this year. I am a Horn fan and even I will say that. For some reason, people seemed to expect Chance Mock to step into Chris Simms (/rude) shoes and be able to do all he could and more due to better scrambling ability and size. He can't or hasn't. Sure there is an assload of talent at UT, but it's too spread out over the years. There are great recruiting classes, but they get split up/injured/red-shirted/etc..

People wonder about why there are fans of the Longhorns. Move to Texas and try being a fan of Miami, Ohio State, Notre Dame, or heaven forbid Oklahoma. It won't fly. I am not saying that you HAVE to be a Texas fan, or even a fan of any Texas Team (Texas A&M, Texas Tech, etc). You will just be ignored while people watch who THEY care about. Most people follow the school they either went to, wanted to go to, or grew up around. That's why Texas fans (not just the University of Texas fans) stick by their teams. Actually, I think that being an OU fan (not Ohio State for those that live a state or more from the Red River) in Texas is grounds for a tar & feathering

Anyhow, the whole point is that everyone's favorite team will have some haters. Texas probably has more this year than before because the expectations were placed on them prior to the season in the polls. Whatever jackasses thought that they would be THAT good off the bat was smoking too much crack. The talent may be here, but it's not all in use at once. That's one of the problems that have plagued Texas throughout Brown and Makovic's (sp) tenures at UT.

Owenn · Post by **Owenn** » September 16, 2003, 11:22 pm

Boogahz wrote:As for Texas, yeah, they were WAY overrated this year. I am a Horn fan and even I will say that. For some reason, people seemed to expect Chance Mock to step into Chris Simms (/rude) shoes and be able to do all he could and more due to better scrambling ability and size. He can't or hasn't. Sure there is an assload of talent at UT, but it's too spread out over the years. There are great recruiting classes, but they get split up/injured/red-shirted/etc..

I guess you are one of those Simms haters and Applewhite lovers. Simms, love him or hate him, he was a monster created by the recruiting and media publications. He was one hell of a kid, to come to Austin and put up with the shit that he took. Some frat boys posted Simms cell phone number on a Longhorn website after the Colorado game 2 years ago. Tell me a 20 year old kid needs that kind of shit done to you. Even uber-coach, Bob Stoops said that it wasn't Chris Simms that was the problem, it was the Texas Offense. Ask Jon Gruden what he thinks of Chris now.

Get it straight, Mock is not the problem. That was his 2nd start ever. Texas scored 28 points against the Piggies, if the defense had played just a marginal game it would have been a victory. The talent is there, these are kids that all of the top programs recruited against Texas to get them at their schools. Brown is an excellent recruiter, but he is sorely lacking in leadership qualities to lead his team in attitude and to expect more than that horrific display of a running game.

Boogahz wrote:Anyhow, the whole point is that everyone's favorite team will have some haters. Texas probably has more this year than before because the expectations were placed on them prior to the season in the polls. Whatever jackasses thought that they would be THAT good off the bat was smoking too much crack.

Texas will always have its fair share of haters and then some. People always hate teams that win. Texas as a program is #4 in All-Time victories with 755 total victories. Here is a link for those curious who is ahead of Texas and who is behind them. http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0002908.html

The problem with preseason rankings is that you base the whole poll on perceived talent. That is why lately, Texas has had highly rated teams to start the season. If they could rate the teams on perceived coaching talent as well as athletic talent, well then I'm afraid Texas wouldn't be very high in the Top 25.

Crav · Post by **Crav** » September 16, 2003, 11:32 pm

Personally I think Chance Mock has done a very good job this year, he has not really been the problem. The lack of a running game has been the major problem this year. You can't really judge a whole season on one game though. Oh and as far as why Texas starts so high in the polls each year, it probably has something to do with them winning the third most games in the last three years behind Oklahoma and Miami. I can understand people hating on the Horns for always being ranked so high, it's the same thing that makes me hate Notre Dame, if they have one good season everyone on TV is fitting them for national championship rings for the next year. Still there are a lot of games left in the season and you can't judge a team until the end of the year.

Oh and yes being an OU fan in Texas is punishable by hanging! It's in the constitution I think

.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 17, 2003, 1:53 am

Owenn wrote:I guess you are one of those Simms haters and Applewhite lovers. Simms, love him or hate him, he was a monster created by the recruiting and media publications. He was one hell of a kid, to come to Austin and put up with the shit that he took. Some frat boys posted Simms cell phone number on a Longhorn website after the Colorado game 2 years ago. Tell me a 20 year old kid needs that kind of shit done to you. Even uber-coach, Bob Stoops said that it wasn't Chris Simms that was the problem, it was the Texas Offense. Ask Jon Gruden what he thinks of Chris now.

Get it straight, Mock is not the problem. That was his 2nd start ever. Texas scored 28 points against the Piggies, if the defense had played just a marginal game it would have been a victory. The talent is there, these are kids that all of the top programs recruited against Texas to get them at their schools. Brown is an excellent recruiter, but he is sorely lacking in leadership qualities to lead his team in attitude and to expect more than that horrific display of a running game.

No I don't hate Simms, I hate the monster that became the Texas offense with him here. I think that Mack Brown was too afraid that he would get hurt if he scrambled, etc. That's what the /rude was for. Hell, even Simms said it before the Sr Bowl game. As for Chance Mock, I was just referring to all of the pressure being put on him following QB's like James Brown, Major Applewhite, and Chris Simms. The guy has barely had ANY play time at all in his college carreer. Personally, I would LOVE to see him succeed, but I think that some people just put too much pressure on him to step in and fill the past UT QB's shoes. Sure Texas has had a running game in the past and they are lacking it now, but my favorite memories of UT games in the past would have to have always been the WR's. I keep thinking back to the Cash brothers, and the receiving core that has been strong since then (including TE's)

Crav · Post by **Crav** » September 17, 2003, 2:08 am

Hehe my favorite memories were watching Ricky own, especially breaking the record against A&M. Oh and winning the first Big 12 championship game against Nebraska.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 17, 2003, 2:16 am

Crav · Post by **Crav** » September 17, 2003, 2:52 am

Hey Xyun you forgot to mention this :

Fri. Apr. 11 OKLAHOMA* Austin, Texas (Disch-Falk Field) W, 8-3

Sat. Apr. 12 OKLAHOMA* Austin, Texas (Disch-Falk Field) W, 10-2

Sun. Apr. 13 OKLAHOMA* Austin, Texas (Disch-Falk Field) W, 5-4

Fri. May 23 at Big 12 Conference Tournament vs. Oklahoma

Oklahoma City, Okla. (SBC Bricktown Ballpark) W, 5-4

Oh and this too:

Mon. Feb. 10 Oklahoma* Frank Erwin Center (Austin, Texas) W, 67-61

Sat. Mar. 8 at Oklahoma* Noble Center (Norman, Okla.) W, 76-71

And how could I forget this from US News :

53. Univ. of Maryland – College Park *
University of Texas – Austin *

117. Howard University (DC)
New Jersey Inst. of Technology *
SUNY – Stony Brook *
University of Oklahoma *

Now it won't be very neighborly of us to kick your ass at everything now would it

?

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 17, 2003, 5:17 am

Are those baseball scores or something? You can be better than us at baseball, I don't mind.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 17, 2003, 9:27 am

Check overall college world series wins (Texas 5, Oklahoma 2) if you want to go on about base ball.

Oh, and stfu

See Topic? Take your okie ass somewhere where it's wanted

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 17, 2003, 9:49 am

there. that's more on topic.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 17, 2003, 11:11 am

OU fans are the largest assholes I've ever met. Well possibly next to Miami fans..

Crav · Post by **Crav** » September 17, 2003, 5:59 pm

Actually those were baseball and basketball scores.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » September 18, 2003, 3:08 am

I believe it was the infamous Michigan/Nebraska Champion tie in 1997-8 that implemented the BCS.

Another one was with Penn State going 12-0 and so did Nebraska or was 13-0. Penn got the AP, and Neb got the coach's by 1 point hehe.

Post by **Sylvus** » September 18, 2003, 11:09 am

Raistin wrote:
I believe it was the infamous Michigan/Nebraska Champion tie in 1997-8 that implemented the BCS.
Another one was with Penn State going 12-0 and so did Nebraska or was 13-0. Penn got the AP, and Neb got the coach's by 1 point hehe.

That could have had a more direct impact on the implementation of the BCS, wasn't that in like '94 or something?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 18, 2003, 2:26 pm

I think so Sylvus.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » September 18, 2003, 2:42 pm

Yes it was.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 19, 2003, 10:00 am

Let's try not to derail this thread. I'll help

TEXAS SUCKS!

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 19, 2003, 11:12 am

Texas > Xyun.

Then again, my cat's poop > Xyun.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » September 19, 2003, 11:43 am

Arkansas > Texas > Xyun