Winnow, for you with Love

noel · Post by **noel** » September 11, 2003, 5:38 am

Real love, not the fake kind.

Summary: Valve is pissed at NVIDIA because their cards are shit and HL2 looks better on the ATI card than on the NVIDIA!

http://www.gamersdepot.com/hardware/vid ... ks/001.htm

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 11, 2003, 6:54 am

christ I think gabe newell grows another fucking chin for every million dollars he makes.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 11, 2003, 2:36 pm

X-Box dumped nVidia and is going with ATI as well for X2.

The problem now is getting enough people to buy nVidia so ATi keeps the prices reasonable on their high end cards. I'm going to stop educating people on why ATI has been the better card for the past 8-12 months and will be in the foreseeable future as it will start hurting my pocketbook.

Karae · Post by **Karae** » September 11, 2003, 2:41 pm

Been saying it for over a year now, ATi > nVidia.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 11, 2003, 3:28 pm

Winnow wrote:X-Box dumped nVidia and is going with ATI as well for X2.

Wow, that's big news but business is business. First I've even heard of this OR about the X2

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » September 11, 2003, 3:50 pm

EQ II is still being developed with NVidea in mind. That was my main reason for walking down that road. I've believed the hype about the driver issues with ATI. Word of mouth is a scary thing.

I respect Winnow's opinion on these cards so I'm thankful that I'm not buying my new top-o-da-line card until at least December.

I look forward to more of these types of threads to help formulate my opinion on what card to buy. I'm sure the fallout from this report will be clear by then. Either way, I'm sure either card won't 'suck' .. just one will be 'better'

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 11, 2003, 4:03 pm

Sony developed Planetside with Nvidia as well and you should see how bad they fucked THAT up. Meanwhile, my Radeon had me up and runnign with no problems throughout the beta and into release. I think they finally found all of the Nvidia bugs about a month after release.

I will stick with Radeon until proven otherwise.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 11, 2003, 4:08 pm

I've got an 64Mb 8500 that I bought not too long after they came out, the initial drivers were miserable and didn't improve for almost a year. It's still fairly disapointing compared to the wifes Geo 2 Ti. They might be better cards technically, but in application I'm not that impressed.

I'm shopping for video cards now, the most bang for the buck looks like a 256Mb FX5600 atm.

Vezot · Post by **Vezot** » September 11, 2003, 4:20 pm

I'm an ATI fanboi and i thank Microsoft for going with ATI for their X2 consle...

noel · Post by **noel** » September 11, 2003, 5:02 pm

Aabidano wrote:I've got an 64Mb 8500 that I bought not too long after they came out, the initial drivers were miserable and didn't improve for almost a year. It's still fairly disapointing compared to the wifes Geo 2 Ti. They might be better cards technically, but in application I'm not that impressed.

I'm shopping for video cards now, the most bang for the buck looks like a 256Mb FX5600 atm.

The performance numbers on the 5600 are nearly identical to the Ti 4600. I haven't looked at pricing, but if you simply won't go with the ATI, you might wanna check out the 4600.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » September 11, 2003, 7:28 pm

I had 2 TI-4600's...one already burnt out...

So if I 2-box in EQ2, I'll need another card..and if I do I'll probably get an ATI..just because I can. But I'll be waiting until like March to even decide if I need a 2nd card...I got my old GeForce 2 in now hehe...I don't play 2 games at once anymore so one high end card is fine for now.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 11, 2003, 7:32 pm

4600s and 5600s are about the same cost for the 128Mb versions.

I looked at 128Mb 9600 Pro just a bit ago, price is about tte same as the two above. It looks like a much better card, but then so did the 8500 when I bought it.

Janx · Post by **Janx** » September 11, 2003, 10:14 pm

I have a 9600 pro and its outsanding.

Drivers still have a few issue (like the 32bit color opengl bug (will be fixed it cat 3.8's, also easy work arounds to fix). Also 3.7 cats seem to have broken fastwrites. Regardless , using cat 3.5's now and things are running flawlessly.

noel · Post by **noel** » September 11, 2003, 11:30 pm

In the small sampling of games I've tested so far, the 9800 Pro blows the 5900FX Ultra's doors off by a wide margin.

It's very rare when running reasonably fast gear that you can put a piece of hardware into your system and see a VERY noticable improvement, but that's what's happened here.

I'm such a whore for technology.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » September 12, 2003, 2:57 am

Alright alright if I get a new card for EQ2, it will be a 9600 pro..I bet they will be fairly resonable on the price by march.

noel · Post by **noel** » September 12, 2003, 3:25 am

Anandtech.com weighs in on the isssue:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1863

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 12, 2003, 8:04 am

The 9600 Pros are around $150 now, they'll be off the market by spring

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 12, 2003, 12:06 pm

Aranuil, count your blessings that Teh fnord modded you. Otherwise, you'd be the Silicon Whore!

noel · Post by **noel** » September 12, 2003, 2:27 pm

I was kicked out of the fnord.

Anyway, I test the top end hardware so you guys won't have to!

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » September 14, 2003, 3:04 am

Then I'll get the 9800 Pro, or whatever I can get for around 200-300 in March if I build a new machine.

Haedes · Post by **Haedes** » September 14, 2003, 9:09 pm

for the longest time Nvidia blew ati out of the water in both hardware and driver support.

Interesting to see how the tables have turned.

However one thing I have noticed the tables tend to turn over and over and over again.

I have seen the top end cards from both arenas and well you cannot tell the difference. The human eye can only distinguish to a certain point.

But I suppose right now ATI has the edge. Right now that is.