Question, accompanied by long story...

Ebumar · Post by **Ebumar** » September 11, 2003, 3:26 am

Okay, it's not that scary, but either way it scared the shit out of me. This is true and happened to me just the other night. I was driving home from school (my calc class gets out at 10pm, so it was about 10:20pm). My car is in the shop getting fixed because I got in a small accident two weeks ago. So I am in my mom's car, she drives a Mercedes Benz, S500 2003. Anyways... I am not speeding, have my saftey belt on, not breaking any laws at all. When this cop pulls out behind me, passes me on the left, gets infront of me, then slows down on my right, and gets behind me (thx longest run-on sentance ever). He turns on his lights and his siren.

So I pulled over into a parking lot. He then shouts into his loud speaker thing, "PUT YOUR HANDS OUT THE WINDOW AND SLOWLY EXIT YOUR VEHICLE." Then he says, "PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE TOP OF THE CAR AND WAIT THERE." So I do so, and at this point I am shaking like a freaking cat just out of a bathtub full of water. The cop and his partner get out of their car, guns drawn approaching me slowly. They come up and one of them frisks me and then tells me to put my hands on my head.

He then puts me on my knees, and handcuffs me, and tells me to sit there while he searches my car. So me being the smartass college student I am, I say, "You can't do that without my consent." He then says, "this vehicle is stolen, and by California state code blah blah blah, I have a right to search it." I ofcourse call bullshit on this and say, "I doubt that. Why am I handcuffed?" He walks over to me and starts reading me my rights while his partner goes through my mom's shit. I was protesting and stuff saying I wasn't doing anything wrong.

By this time the people in the 7-11 had come outside wondering what the hell was going on. They were being overly curious and generally being stupid ass hicks. God I hate dumb people that dont know how to mind their business....ANYWAYS...

The cops put me in the back of their car, took my wallet and cell-phone. The only thing that was going through my mind was, "what the fuck did my mom do." Then I got to thinking that it could have been my fault some how. Either way I was about to piss my pants I was so scared, when one of the officers comes up to the window and opens the door. He says, "you're free to go."

A rush of relief comes over me and I stagered as I was getting out of their squad car. The cop could tell I was scared shitless and like helped me up and put his hand on my shoulder and said, "listen, I am sorry this happened. There is a stolen vehicle like your mother's that fits the same description." I asked him if he was going to clean the mess he left in my mom's car and he said, "don't get cocky kid." It all seemed pretty weird to me.

So I got their badge numbers, and went on my merry way. I was wondering if I should follow this up, or just write it off as chance happening and not really worry about it. My mom told me not to trust any police department I go to, but then again she's a dumb bi-polar whore. Either way the scariest thing that has ever happened to me. What do you guys think I should do, follow it up or just leave it be?

Thanks in advance.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » September 11, 2003, 3:31 am

Personally I'd call in to the station house and question it - stolen cars are reported with license plates, and since the plate of your car wouldn't have matched, something must have been up.

Now if they said it was fleeing from a scene of a robbery or something, then I would think they'd have just cause for it. But I can't lay claim as being an expert in police matters.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 11, 2003, 4:48 am

if all they did was cuff you, throw you into the back of their car and mess up the glove box then you don't have any recourse. if they read you your rights that means they placed you under arrest and false arrest is a violation of your civil rights. you could probably get them reprimanded but I doubt it since cops tend to stick up for each other. you could also win a civil case depending on how much you wanted to spend on a really good lawyer. you will probably lose money on it though.

it's a bit strange that they didn't run the plates before stopping you. you might want to talk to their CO or whoever was in charge during their shift and get him to find out why they didn't do that.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » September 11, 2003, 5:14 am

Well at least you didnt spend close to 60 days in jail like I did.

You can sue the city,county and state. One, they searched your car with out permission. Sure they thought it was stolen, but uh...cars have tags for a reason. Thats fault number 1. 2 pulling their guns on you. 3 putting you in cuffs and in their car,Unlawful imprisonment. You were detained for fault on their mistake that they could have very easily prevented by reading the tag, not base it off of seeing a young male in side a nice car.

Its assholes like thoese cops that fuck up innoncent peoples lives. Either they dont care, and just want the arrest numbers.Or just dont like someone, and claim they saw the person do something and throw them in jail.

Find a lawyer. You have a good case. Just think of how easy they could have thrown you in jail, and think of the people that they have already done it to. Only way to get this stopped is report it to the state, and drive though with a nice case.

Im not talking shit. Im in the middle of having my lawyer sue the state of Florida, my county, city and police officer. By the time Im done, I will own his fucking kid for fucking my live up. Yes Im a very bitter person over it!

Shit like this wants me to move out of this country. Such bullshit.

Oh about the cost of the lawyer. Dont worry about it. Most of them take up to 35% of the winnings of the case, so they dont make you pay up front. Of course they will only do it if they have a very good chance at winning. If they dont, they dont make you pay. At lease thats how it is in Florida.

Valkeria · Post by **Valkeria** » September 11, 2003, 7:18 am

There are good cops out there unfortunately the bad ones seem to outweigh them as Raistlen stated all what they did was against your rights when all they had to do was run your bloody plates. There should be a special number for Internal Affairs who handles complaints about police officers contact them.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 11, 2003, 8:35 am

If my car was stolen right now, I don't know that I could provide the plate#, I don't have it memorized. I say don't be a puss and just be happy you cooperated and go about your business. If it was your mercedes that got stolen or possibly used in a crime and you could not provide a plate#, you would want the cops pulling out all the stops to find your car too. Just carry on and don't try to get rich quick, I hate that.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » September 11, 2003, 8:45 am

Of course, with modern technology I'm sure dispatch could pull up the vehicle registration information with your full name and make/model. Amazing how databases work.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 11, 2003, 9:26 am

I would call a lawyer, not the VV board. This is a gross violation of civil liberties ( and while I may be a conservative, I am not in agreement with many conservatives in regards civil liberties) and should be corrected. Any stolen vehicle report has a VIN number and in the case of that car type ( and most newer cars) this can be seen through the windshield without any need to enter the vehicle.

There will be a videotape of these events from the cruiser, and you have usually less than 72 hours to get a subpeona before it is destroyed.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » September 11, 2003, 9:46 am

Kylere wrote:I would call a lawyer, not the VV board. This is a gross violation of civil liberties ( and while I may be a conservative, I am not in agreement with many conservatives in regards civil liberties) and should be corrected. Any stolen vehicle report has a VIN number and in the case of that car type ( and most newer cars) this can be seen through the windshield without any need to enter the vehicle.

There will be a videotape of these events from the cruiser, and you have usually less than 72 hours to get a subpeona before it is destroyed.

WTF? They didn't beat him or anything. Cops now are starting to have less and less rights. They need to protect themselves from crazy people. How do you tell someone is crazy? Unless they're wearing their underwear on their head and claiming that they are the King of England, it's near impossible.

I wouldn't bother sending in a complaint. They don't know you, thats why they handcuffed you and pulled their guns out.

Basically, what I'm saying is, give policemen a break. They have a familly to go to just like everyone else after the day is done.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » September 11, 2003, 9:59 am

Contrary to popular belief, police do have the right to search your vehicle if they have just cause. License plates mean jack. Any good car thief is going to swap the plates pretty quick anyway. The VIN# is much harder to fake in a short amount of time though. The cops had to go by the book because if they didn't and the car did turn out to be stolen, failure to read you your miranda rights would make it easy for you to get off. The original car thief could have carjacked the stolen car and they may be worried of a weapon.

One question not asked. Are you black or some other minority? Were you driving through a bad part of town? Contrary to how much the police deny it in public, racial stereotyping definitely takes place. If you were a white guy in a shadier side of town then that is a good chance of being pulled over as well. I talked to a cop once and he said 9 times out 10, a white guy in a black neighborhood after 10pm is seeking drugs.

I do believe that police have entirely too much power and they should not do searches of any kind without a search warrant. They may have just asumed that a young kid driving a luxury car was a car thief and gotten ahead of themselves. In this case it probably was overzealous policing but good luck getting anything out of it. At most they will have a laugh about your complaint over the water cooler.

When I was 19, I got pulled over in a car I had just bought with the wrong plates and a trunk full of my brother's stuff. To make matters worse I didn't have a legal license having lost it to underage drinking and I was riding in the car with two people who had warrants out for their arrest. If you think you were shitting bricks, then you have no idea. All three of us were sitting in the back of a squad car with like six cop cars searching my car. To make matters worse, my brother had a box of some high caliber pistol ammunition. We were about to leave to go to the jail when some nut job hijacked a bus full of retarded kids and the cops had to let us go so they could give chase. Don't ever get pulled over in Colorado Springs, CO. The cops there are just plain mean.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 11, 2003, 10:18 am

Lynks wrote:
Kylere wrote:I would call a lawyer, not the VV board. This is a gross violation of civil liberties ( and while I may be a conservative, I am not in agreement with many conservatives in regards civil liberties) and should be corrected. Any stolen vehicle report has a VIN number and in the case of that car type ( and most newer cars) this can be seen through the windshield without any need to enter the vehicle.

There will be a videotape of these events from the cruiser, and you have usually less than 72 hours to get a subpeona before it is destroyed.
WTF? They didn't beat him or anything. Cops now are starting to have less and less rights. They need to protect themselves from crazy people. How do you tell someone is crazy? Unless they're wearing their underwear on their head and claiming that they are the King of England, it's near impossible.

I wouldn't bother sending in a complaint. They don't know you, thats why they handcuffed you and pulled their guns out.

Basically, what I'm saying is, give policemen a break. They have a familly to go to just like everyone else after the day is done.

Yes cops deserve a break unless they willfully violate the law. Then they need to be hammered 50 times worse than any civilian. Quis Custodiet Custos

They did not need to search the vehicle to find out if it was stolen, they did not need to search the vehicle if he was obeying instructions, they did not need to search the vehicle unless he gave them cause to do so. This was a random stop and search on a flimsy pretext. Since we fought to free ourselves of the King's laws, we gave ourselves this priviledge. But perhaps in Canada it is different, I do not care enough about the 52nd State to research it.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 11, 2003, 10:43 am

Shit like this wants me to move out of this country. Such bullshit.

Unfortunately, you will find asshole cops anywhere. The local police office back home in Norway has a reputation even among other cops for being assholes. My car got stolen (I had a nice sports car back then) and I couldn't get an alibi for about an hour or so of time (I passed out after having worked 3 shifts of 18 hours in the last 3 days heh) before anybody else got home. The car was involved in an accident (hit and run), was used as an escape vehicle for a robbery etc. Basicly I had to go through hell (including being thrown in a cell after a strip search, and spent a couple of hours there), they took all the papers I had for the car claiming I had no need for them anymore (yet when I brought a lawyer the next day they claimed "I forgot them"), it took 2 years of constant fighting to get them to drop the case even though my neighbor had seen a motorcycle parked outside the house at the time the car got stolen. They never even bothered to talk to the neighbor.

I ended up losing a shitload of money on the BS, and if I had been a bit older (was 18 at the time) I would probably have fought harder to get a better settlement.

Yes cops have a rough job, but they also have to lead by example. Wtf should anyone else respect the law if they don't?[/code]

Siji · Post by **Siji** » September 11, 2003, 11:08 am

He then puts me on my knees, and handcuffs me

Unf unf unf!

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » September 11, 2003, 11:56 am

There are good and bad cops everywhere. One time my sister's car stalled on the interstate, so me, my mom, my dad, and her went over there to work on it. While we were there a cop stopped and asked if we needed assistance, pretty courteous, nice guy. We told him we were ok and he went off. About 10 fucking minutes later when we were turning the car around so we could jump the other. A cop stops by, tells me and my dad to get back into the car and asks my mom for licence+reg. We tell him we needed to turn so we could work on the car, and theres already been two cops (one came where the car first stopped with my sister) that came by. This fucking hick didnt wanna listen and gave her a ticket for turning around in the median.
So yea, good and bad cops everywhere, for some reason all the spanish cops (orlando) are the nice ones.

Spankes · Post by **Spankes** » September 11, 2003, 12:11 pm

Just because your rights are read to you does not mean you are under arrest. Your rights must be read any time you are accused of a crime and/or interrogated, whether or not you have been arrested. If you are arrested then you get booked. If you were never booked you were never arrested.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 11, 2003, 12:32 pm

Get a lawyer. I'm not saying you have to be a vicious cunt about it, but it sure seems that they went beyond accepted practice for a traffic stop.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 11, 2003, 12:37 pm

It was'nt a traffic stop. Not in the way of 'you ran a red light' anyways. This was a supposed stop for suspected grand theft auto.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 11, 2003, 12:54 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:It was'nt a traffic stop. Not in the way of 'you ran a red light' anyways. This was a supposed stop for suspected grand theft auto.

Which in some ways makes it even worse. He had not committed a crime as in speeding, running a red light etc. They pulled him over because they thought the car was stolen. Well based on that and considering they had nothing apparently in terms of factual data (or they could have checked VIN and let him go) and they had nothing to fear for in terms of safety ( when he is cuffed, they are safe) they searched the vehicle with no justifyiable cause, and that is illegal in the US.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 11, 2003, 1:00 pm

Well the cop did rattle off a California state code that he says gave him the right to search a suspected stolen vehicle, so if he wants to pursue this it can get argued in court. All I am saying is it would be lame to. It's over.

Spankes · Post by **Spankes** » September 11, 2003, 1:08 pm

I drive a Honda Civic. This car is in first or second place in stolen vehicles in Arizona. If I ws pulled over every time my car matched the description of a stolen vehicle then I would never leave the side of the road.

What I don't understand is that they could have run the plate, and yes any good thief would change the plate; but, the description would have matched perfectly to the car that the plate was on...not an easy feat most of the time.

They were out of line, but expect nothing more than possibly a verbal appology, if that.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 11, 2003, 1:22 pm

Make a complaint. But not to the department, to the state.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » September 11, 2003, 1:36 pm

Yes...keep making complaints. Soon enough (10-20 years from now), when criminals break into your house, kill everyone you love and take half your stuff, the police need to wait hours before getting a warrant because they don't have just cause to pull him over or search his house.

All I see in the news regarding the US is that everyone is suing everyone for God awful reasons.

Just drop it, nobody was hurt. You didn't lose anything, except maybe a few minutes of your life.

Lynxe · Post by **Lynxe** » September 11, 2003, 1:36 pm

I don't know if that is the same in the States but in Canada, police can search a person (and possibly vehicle) based on suspicion alone. If they suspected you might have been a car thief and dangerous, then I have no issue with how they acted.

A stolen car's plate could be switched easily enough but chances are the registration wouldn't match the vehicle model if stolen. They should have looked up your plate first and found out it was the same model car and not reported stolen before they stopped you. Assuming you have the same last name as your mother, they should have also looked at the last name on your ID.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 11, 2003, 1:42 pm

Talking to a lawyer is about the only useful thing you can do. If he thinks the case has merit, they'll take it for a cut of the settlement.

As you weren't arrested and the car wasn't damaged or anything I'd imagine at best you'd get a letter of apology.

Cops have a shitty job and we pay them squat. Would you want to listen to crap from people all day long (on good days) for less than $40k a year? That they've got a few too many liberties right now is due to the patriot act. Hopefully it goes away in the future.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 11, 2003, 1:47 pm

Did he ask for your registration or anything like that?

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 11, 2003, 1:50 pm

I agree with part of what some of the usual run of idiots have said, and guess my initial post was not clear enough. I do not think you should sue for 1million dollars or anything. But the cops involved need to be disciplined and a lawyer would be your best resource to determine what recourse you have.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » September 11, 2003, 1:53 pm

Kylere wrote:But the cops involved need to be disciplined

This is the part I don't get. Why? They didn't hurt him or damage anything. So again I ask, why?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 11, 2003, 1:56 pm

Under California law, cops are allowed to search reasonable areas in your vehicle for registraion if you cannot provide it, he did mention all of his stuff in his glove box was dumped out. Code 4462a and 12951b give them a right to demand and search for documents that identify the driver and the registered owner. A warrantless search is allowed when they can't obtain the doceuments voluntarily. Or, they could have asked for the docs, you provided them, and they searched anyway, or they did not ask at all. Anyway, it's all on tape, if your feelings are really that hurt, ask a lawyer.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 11, 2003, 1:58 pm

Lynks wrote:
Kylere wrote:But the cops involved need to be disciplined
This is the part I don't get. Why? They didn't hurt him or damage anything. So again I ask, why?

Because they BROKE THE LAW

Is it really that hard to understand? I am entirely for strict enforcement of the law, I am entirely for rapists being imprisioned for life, and I stand behind get tough statutes, I am prodeath penalty, think people should have the right to shoot intruders in their home, think the cops should be able to beat the snot out of drunken pcp addicts on the side of the road who keep fighting them, and I vote for hard line sheriffs. BUT I think the police themselves need to be held liable when they break the laws.

Melrin_Specclaster · September 11, 2003, 2:13 pm

I've met bad cops and friendly cops. It was shitty, and I'm sure to some degree they were out of line, but you're best bet is probably to just let it go. Going to court will more than likely piss you off, and them before its over, which in the end won't make either of you more pleasant. At most talk to their senior about it and see how they respond. If they didnt rough you up or break anything, I don't see there being anything to gain from suing.

I do have to give them at least a tad of space for the bullshit and true danger they take anytime they pull someone over.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 11, 2003, 2:13 pm

Kylere wrote:Because they BROKE THE LAW

Doesn't sound like it to me. They may not have handled it well, but it doesn't look like they did anything illegal either.

Don't know if the still do it, but when I lived in St. Louis, if the county pulled you over after 10PM you'd have a sherrif standing behind the car with a shotgun pointed in at you. Hands on the dash\seat top, don't move, then the other would walk up to the window. They'd had a few troopers get shot and weren't playing anymore.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 11, 2003, 2:15 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Under California law, cops are allowed to search reasonable areas in your vehicle for registraion if you cannot provide it, he did mention all of his stuff in his glove box was dumped out. Code 4462a and 12951b give them a right to demand and search for documents that identify the driver and the registered owner. A warrantless search is allowed when they can't obtain the doceuments voluntarily. Or, they could have asked for the docs, you provided them, and they searched anyway, or they did not ask at all. Anyway, it's all on tape, if your feelings are really that hurt, ask a lawyer.

According to the initial post, the cops never even asked for his DL, much less the registration. He was ordered out of his mom's car, AT GUNPOINT, cuffed, thrown in the cop car while they tossed the car. Sure looks like some fo his rights were violated to me.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 11, 2003, 2:26 pm

Yeah what Masteen said

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 11, 2003, 2:36 pm

This sounds like affirmative action at work! The police may be required to have a quota of white males to harass so it doesn't look so bad when they violate so many black males' rights. I would call Louis Farakahn, Jessie Jackson, and Reverend Al to see if they will hold a rally this time.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » September 11, 2003, 2:48 pm

You people just dont understand they broke they law. They arnt super troopers that can go around and do what they please. Theres a reason for laws.

Stolen car? Changed plates? Ok....so run the plates on the car right now.HOLY SHIT they match up! It comes back as the same year/color/birthday and reg for the car. The car that was reported stolen was the same color,but not the same year or reg. Thats the point. Thats where they decided to pull him over for the hell of it. If it was stolen...when reported you HAVE to report the Plate numbers, color, year make and model...oo and guess what. Theres a little sticker on there that gives the birthdate month/year of the owner of the car. If the two dont match up, how can it be the stolen car?

They pulled him over in hopes of FINDING something in his car, find his lincese suspended, his cock hanging out, or some other random bullshit to get an arrest.

This is the part I don't get. Why? They didn't hurt him or damage anything. So again I ask, why?

They volitated his rights. You want to know what his rights are? Its so cops have to follow a strict line of process so a "dirty" cop isnt able to pull someone over and "frame" them. Or have the person have a due process of law.

Do you relize how easy it is to lose your job over a unlawful arrest? Want to know how hard it is to get another job with a pending arrest/jail time? Try it sometime. I can attest to it personally.

Its like a relationship and cheating. If they do it once, they will do it again. Over and over and over and it will get worse.

They didnt do anything wrong my ass.No point in bringing a lawsuit? If you take money from the city/county/state they will take notice of how fucking dirty most of the police officers are that they hire. They will conduct more lie dector test each month, and less "buddy i have your back. go ahead and bust this guy Im sure we can use cops word vs his and still win. And be able to make sure 100% of their arrests are lawful and not some random bullshit.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 11, 2003, 3:02 pm

masteen wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:Under California law, cops are allowed to search reasonable areas in your vehicle for registraion if you cannot provide it, he did mention all of his stuff in his glove box was dumped out. Code 4462a and 12951b give them a right to demand and search for documents that identify the driver and the registered owner. A warrantless search is allowed when they can't obtain the doceuments voluntarily. Or, they could have asked for the docs, you provided them, and they searched anyway, or they did not ask at all. Anyway, it's all on tape, if your feelings are really that hurt, ask a lawyer.
According to the initial post, the cops never even asked for his DL, much less the registration. He was ordered out of his mom's car, AT GUNPOINT, cuffed, thrown in the cop car while they tossed the car. Sure looks like some fo his rights were violated to me.

That's why I asked if they did indeed ask him for it or not, and he never responded. We don't know, I am sure he did not post every single thing that was said.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » September 11, 2003, 3:05 pm

Liek SPankes said, plates can be swapped but finding identical cars to steal plates from, and then having registration to match the plate ont he back of the car..and your liscense maybe matching on the last name.

They should never have made you get out of the car. You had done nothing wrong. You weren't even a suspect. I mean shit...how could he be a suspect..the plate on the back already matched the type of car....pulling him over at all was probably a bit out of the cops privledges.

Making him get on his knees and get cuffed? Putting him in the back of the cop car? Going through his car searching it (for what btw? what would be in there to prove the car was stolen? A written fucking confession?)

I've been pulled over twice where cops blatently made up the offence. And another time an officer ran my plates for no apprarant reason (And unknown to me there was a warrant out for my arrest for a ticket I swear I paid).

Both times I got pulled over w/o reason I suspect they wanted to bust me for drunk driving (when I hadn't been drinking at all) one even accussed me of drunk driving and said he followed me for miles before pulling me over, when I only drove maybe 1/2 mile from home....and I saw him in the parking lot when I pulled in...

I highly suspect there was no stolen vehicle, they thought you might have drugs in the car....so they pulled you over. When no drugs were in the car they made up a story. You see a kid in a nice car...could be a drug dealer.

And when you ask "what did I do?" you have a right to know what your accussed of, he should have answered right away. Not after the search. That right there leads me to suspect he wasn't sure what he was looking for yet.

Your rights were violated by a cop way overstepping his bounds. I'd check your options. I didn't prosecute because my things were harder to prove...and they didn't cuff me or search the car etc..so it would have been a waste of money. And the one backed off when I told him I was walking up to the gas pumps to get witnesses. So I only got the one false ticket...and I was 17 back then, I wasn't fighting the cops at 17 over a speeding ticket.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 11, 2003, 3:09 pm

Pils you missed my above post when you ask 'for what by the way'. They can search for proof of registration according to Cali law.

I have had to get out of my vehicle 3 times. First time is because my dad fit the description of someone that had just committed a robery and the clerk was killed, they had a shotgun trained at his head the entire time. Second time was I had a white chick in the car in a secluded teenage parking spot, and they were 'making sure' she was there of her own free will. Third time was when I was with my wife (girlfriend at the time) in another secluded spot, and they were making sure she was not being 'raped' because of the noises. All three times I sucked it up and went about my way.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » September 11, 2003, 3:14 pm

Yes, but I have a feeling that's not the case....they always ask for registration. And If Ebumar left that detail out that they asked for registration and he didn't provide it, and they searched the car...he should know why they did it.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 11, 2003, 3:17 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Pils you missed my above post when you ask 'for what by the way'. They can search for proof of registration according to Cali law.

I have had to get out of my vehicle 3 times. First time is because my dad fit the description of someone that had just committed a robery and the clerk was killed, they had a shotgun trained at his head the entire time. Second time was I had a white chick in the car in a secluded teenage parking spot, and they were 'making sure' she was there of her own free will. Third time was when I was with my wife (girlfriend at the time) in another secluded spot, and they were making sure she was not being 'raped' because of the noises. All three times I sucked it up and went about my way.

Well anytime a guy has a chick in a secluded area and the cops pull up the guy gets harassed. But did they cuff you, put you on your knees and SEARCH YOUR CAR ( The search is the biggest problem here)

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 11, 2003, 3:18 pm

Only reason I even brought that law up is because he said he was being a general 'smartass college student', that just lead me to think uncooperative. I don't know if they asked him or not.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 11, 2003, 3:21 pm

Kylere wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:Pils you missed my above post when you ask 'for what by the way'. They can search for proof of registration according to Cali law.

I have had to get out of my vehicle 3 times. First time is because my dad fit the description of someone that had just committed a robery and the clerk was killed, they had a shotgun trained at his head the entire time. Second time was I had a white chick in the car in a secluded teenage parking spot, and they were 'making sure' she was there of her own free will. Third time was when I was with my wife (girlfriend at the time) in another secluded spot, and they were making sure she was not being 'raped' because of the noises. All three times I sucked it up and went about my way.
Well anytime a guy has a chick in a secluded area and the cops pull up the guy gets harassed. But did they cuff you, put you on your knees and SEARCH YOUR CAR ( The search is the biggest problem here)

I've only had my car searched one time, and they did ask me so I consented. Got pulled over after stopping by my friends house in the ghetto, they thought I had just bought drugs. Those other times though, no, I did not get searched, or cuffed, or beat, or hung, or anything else. Just my time wasted, which I am not going to sue over.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 11, 2003, 3:23 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:
Kylere wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:Pils you missed my above post when you ask 'for what by the way'. They can search for proof of registration according to Cali law.

I have had to get out of my vehicle 3 times. First time is because my dad fit the description of someone that had just committed a robery and the clerk was killed, they had a shotgun trained at his head the entire time. Second time was I had a white chick in the car in a secluded teenage parking spot, and they were 'making sure' she was there of her own free will. Third time was when I was with my wife (girlfriend at the time) in another secluded spot, and they were making sure she was not being 'raped' because of the noises. All three times I sucked it up and went about my way.
Well anytime a guy has a chick in a secluded area and the cops pull up the guy gets harassed. But did they cuff you, put you on your knees and SEARCH YOUR CAR ( The search is the biggest problem here)
I've only had my car searched one time, and they did ask me so I consented. Got pulled over after stopping by my friends house in the ghetto, they thought I had just bought drugs. Those other times though, no, I did not get searched, or cuffed, or beat, or hung, or anything else. Just my time wasted, which I am not going to sue over.

Which is cool, but if his story is as he claims in reality, then they really did screw up. It was cops abusing their authority and violating the law.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 11, 2003, 3:26 pm

Anyway, what's the world coming to when a brotha is defending the cops. I feel dirty. Guess I need more rap in my diet.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 11, 2003, 4:03 pm

It is okay Krimson I defend people who are not Amerind all the time, remember it is the principle, not the individual.

Ebumar · Post by **Ebumar** » September 11, 2003, 4:07 pm

I talked to my friend's dad. He's a lawyer. He said not to worry about it. He said that pretty much everything was conducted to standards, except maybe them having their weapons out.

FYI, I am white, so it wouldnt be racial stereotyping. And truthfully, the cops were pretty nice when they asertained my innocence.

I guess it's just a story for the books.

And yes, I was scared shittless regardless.

Edit- I just now read the rest of the thread. No they didn't ask me for my liscence, registration, or insurance. All they did was get me out of the car, handcuff me, then search. Like I said above, my friend's dad that is a lawyer said everything except maybe weapons being drawn was legal. So I guess I should just chalk it up as a life experiance to NEVER jack a car.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 11, 2003, 4:22 pm

I was going to respond to Pils, but it would take too long

Anyway, if you're in a car they suspect of being stolen or hijacked, don't be surprised when you're cuffed, read your rights and searched. It the police's actions afterwards that are going to make the difference in whether you have a case or not. If you want to contest whether they actually had reason to think the car was stolen or whatever you could, but I still don't think you're going to get anywhere in a case like this. If they actually found something in the car and hauled you off to jail it would be another matter entirely. Then you'd have a reason to determine why they really pulled you over.

Most cops are decent, reasonable people most of the time.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 11, 2003, 4:29 pm

Ebumar wrote:I talked to my friend's dad. He's a lawyer. He said not to worry about it. He said that pretty much everything was conducted to standards, except maybe them having their weapons out.

FYI, I am white, so it wouldnt be racial stereotyping. And truthfully, the cops were pretty nice when they asertained my innocence.

I guess it's just a story for the books.

And yes, I was scared shittless regardless.

Edit- I just now read the rest of the thread. No they didn't ask me for my liscence, registration, or insurance. All they did was get me out of the car, handcuff me, then search. Like I said above, my friend's dad that is a lawyer said everything except maybe weapons being drawn was legal. So I guess I should just chalk it up as a life experiance to NEVER jack a car.

If a lawyer said it was all legal, then there is something to this story you are not telling us

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 11, 2003, 4:30 pm

Ebumar wrote: FYI, I am white, so it wouldnt be racial stereotyping.

Unless you are a white dude in the ghetto at night, move it sucka!

Ebumar · Post by **Ebumar** » September 11, 2003, 4:36 pm

They didn't ask me for registration or anything. They had their guns out. Those were the only questionable things kylere. Otherwise everything is legal. Ofcourse I was still scared out of my mind. Still if I see a cop now my heart will probably start beating a bit faster.