Ain't it the Truth.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 5, 2003, 8:59 am

I am sure more than a few of us can relate to this.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 5, 2003, 10:02 am

Sad thing is...lot's of these paper-cert people are our bosses!

Here is a little hint for yall when your paper-cert boss bugs you....

Whistle along with the H.R. PuffNStuff(sp) theme song only using the word 'micromanagement'. =)

Melrin_Specclaster · September 5, 2003, 11:04 am

I don't know what pisses me off more, people that are paper-certs with no knowledge or people that think paper-certs give knowledge.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 5, 2003, 11:45 am

I used to fucking HATE having to work with MCSE's. The routing that gets taught in those Microsloth classes != routing in the real world. The shit those dolts would do to their poor Ciscos... I actually had one of these assholes trying to do BGP on a 100 node network.

Melrin_Specclaster · September 5, 2003, 11:57 am

I passed 3 of the tests before dropping that POS cert. I found if you had NOT worked on Microsoft products it was easier to pass the test. I know every cert has its differences between reality and 'their' answer, but Microsoft is the worst, especially since with Microsoft there is almost always 2-3 ways to do the same thing.

Adelrune Argenti · Post by **Adelrune Argenti** » September 5, 2003, 12:35 pm

Haha classic.

Masteen, that is too true. I once went round and round with a guy who didn't understand why I was using static routes for a 5 node network that had no outside connections. He wanted to use OSPF. I humored him and turned on RIP V1.

Ajran · Post by **Ajran** » September 5, 2003, 12:42 pm

After having worked with microsoft products for years from NT3.51 up to 2000 advanced server, I decided man i should be able do fairly well on the MCSE tests.. so I picked up a few books and started reading..

needless to say 3 years later i am not certified and have no intention of ever doing.. if i had never touched a microsoft product i prolly would be certified years ago.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » September 5, 2003, 1:25 pm

I think my delving into Microsoft's certification lasted right up to the point where the instructor said that to Microsoft, a printer wasn't a printer. A software driver was a printer. A printer was a print device.

Uh, yeah. And someone once asked me if Office Space was a realistic movie. I told them it was a real life documentary.

Mplor · Post by **Mplor** » September 5, 2003, 9:58 pm

Unfortunately, the people doing the hiring often don't know jack about how to actually do the job they're hiring for. They think a paper and on-the-job experience are roughly equivalent. You see it all the time: "Degree required, or equivalent work experience."

While that sucks, it's reality. So, I am shoring up my experience with applicable certs. It can't hurt, and might give me an edge one day.

Mippy

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 5, 2003, 10:21 pm

I am going to finish my MCDBA cert just for that reason...recruiters, managers, etc see it as an accomplishment sometimes and having that extra ammo certainly does not hurt!

I had passed both SQ server tests...now just for Server2k and vb.net....

Edit: with 9 years of RDBMS exp and 5 years of both MSSQL Server and ASP programming exp, I see the cert as just a bonus, since I have no college degree...

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » September 5, 2003, 10:57 pm

Do the Server 2k3 one instead that way you'll have longer till you need to re-cert.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » September 5, 2003, 11:30 pm

Well, I thought about that...and asked around... it seems that they will not deprecate the regular 2K series, just the 4.0(NT)/7.0(SQL) stuff... at least, not anytime soon...

Either way, it is not too hard to cert in most things anyway...here ya go:

http://www.mcsebraindumps.com