DNA frees another innocent

Post by **Sylvus** » August 29, 2003, 3:16 pm

Am I mistaken, or is that whole "eye for an eye" thing part of the Code of Hammurabi? I'm not any sort of ancient history buff by any means, but I wasn't aware that he had any interaction with any god.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » August 29, 2003, 3:24 pm

There were mentions of other Gods in the Bible. I am sorry but I can't recall the exact passages that mention God killing them both. My opinion is that they were mortals that were maybe very powerful leaders of their day.

Lucifer was also mentioned in the bible but not as an angel. He was an ancient king or leader defeated by the jews of the day. Sorry I can't quote passages again.

I am fairly certain that the Babylonians had their own gods. If I remember right, they worshipped a sun god whose name may have been Babel. I haven't studied history in a while so I am probably wrong.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 29, 2003, 4:12 pm

Sylvus wrote:Am I mistaken, or is that whole "eye for an eye" thing part of the Code of Hammurabi? I'm not any sort of ancient history buff by any means, but I wasn't aware that he had any interaction with any god.

if its anything remotely involved with the bible, religious hyprocrites will twist it to fit their own purposes. that's how they can do things like completely ignore a commandment and think that some other asinine passage that some other dude said somehow takes precedence.

this thread is evidence of that.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 29, 2003, 4:16 pm

yes Sylvus, "an eye for an eye" was originally written in the Code of Hammurabi.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 29, 2003, 5:56 pm

kyoukan wrote: if its anything remotely involved with the bible, religious hyprocrites will twist it to fit their own purposes. that's how they can do things like completely ignore a commandment and think that some other asinine passage that some other dude said somehow takes precedence.

this thread is evidence of that.

My previous explaination stands on it's own.

But hey, just ignore it and repeat your accusation over and over.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 29, 2003, 6:06 pm

your explanation was hollow and hypocritical, so I chose to treat it as such. trying to get out of one of the 10 commandments of your chosen faith on the basis of a technicality. do you think that your god has lawyers or something?

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 29, 2003, 6:55 pm

All I see is you dodging the issue by casting labels.

Blind ranting convinces no one.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 29, 2003, 7:54 pm

dodging what issue? I said you are wrong and I gave you evidence proving it. how is that dodging?

believe what you want to believe. you will anyway.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » August 30, 2003, 8:42 am

kyoukan wrote:dodging what issue? I said you are wrong and I gave you evidence proving it. how is that dodging?

believe what you want to believe. you will anyway.

Hahahah dodger

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 30, 2003, 10:39 am

im strongly against the death penalty, theres a godamn reson the rest of the non fundamentalist civilized world doesnt have it
Texas prolly puts to death an innocent person once every 3 years or so

and if you look threw it, the christian god is a REAL asshole in the bible, id wanna go to hell and start a rebellion

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » August 31, 2003, 2:11 pm

I guess I just don't see a need for capital punishment. I personally would rather die than have to live my life in a cage. If you kill an innocent ONCE in awhile isnt that murder?

I'm so sick of the a f'ing book getting in the way of the US system.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 31, 2003, 11:09 pm

Or in this case Markulas, people using the bible to casually ignore the fact that our appeals system has let innocent people slip through to their wrongful death.

I am curious however, has there been documented cases where someone was executed for a crime and then post mortem proven innocent?

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 3, 2003, 4:16 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:Or in this case Markulas, people using the bible to casually ignore the fact that our appeals system has let innocent people slip through to their wrongful death.

I am curious however, has there been documented cases where someone was executed for a crime and then post mortem proven innocent?

hmmm the salem witch trials, go 10 commandments!!!err never mind, evil godamned heretics

but im sure your right, in over 500 executions not ONE innocent person died, not even that crazy negro standin 30 miles away from them dead white girls

and im sure your right about your translation anyways, but wouldnt they have changed it to "thau shal not murder" or "thou shal not kill unless thou who thou wishes to kill has killed before and thau wish to try to convict him and if he is convicted thau can kill him"?
or is "THAU SHALL NOT KILL" not clear enough? (too lazy to see if its thau or thaou or thout"

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » September 3, 2003, 4:34 pm

The root word spoke to unintentional as well as intentional killing of a person.

I'm sure King James and crew saw that definition and determined that the word murder limited the scope of the hebrew root word by half.

The word murder does not cover the accidental killing.

So, they backed the translation up to a more generalized word that covered both unintentional and intentional acts.

Thou shall not kill.

Xzion I do not dispute with you that it is likely that someone innocent was killed as a result of capital punishment in the legal process.

I'm simply curious if our extensive legal records report a case where somone executed for murder was found not guiltly after their death.

If you going to champion the anti-death penality cause, information like that would be golden. Why hasn't such information or examples come out in public?

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » September 3, 2003, 6:12 pm

I wonder if this book has such info.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... 20-9773766

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » September 4, 2003, 5:05 pm

one of the links from the innocence project site (the organization referenced in the article that started this thread) to a similar organization is this -

http://www.truthinjustice.org/

i haven't researched its legitimacy, but wow. there are links to cases where eyewitnesses have identified innocent people as criminals, and they were freed as a result of DNA testing. there are also links to cases where people have confessed to crimes they didn't commit.

there's also a "life after exoneration" link, referencing a project to help falsely imprisoned people get back on their feet.

The wrongly convicted face further injustices when they are exonerated. Unlike parolees, they are entitled to no social services, no job training and placement, no counseling to help them adjust to living in a dramatically different society than the one they left years earlier. In many instances, family and friends who supported them have died. Few states offer any financial compensation for their ordeal, and employers are wary of hiring them.

Just as innocence projects were formed across the country to free the wrongly convicted, so too are resettlement programs being formed to help them after they have been released.

i didn't read anything about (a) specific case(s) where DNA testing found someone innocent after they were executed, but i can't imagine that a lot of money is being spent researching the cases of people who are already dead.

but if we're finding this many people who are innocent and rotting in cells now, how many have spent the remainder of their lives in prison and/or been executed before these projects started? you'd be crazy to say 0.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 4, 2003, 5:09 pm

It boggles my mind as to why someone would admit to a crime that neither they nor anyone they know had anything to do with. I could see admitting to keep a spouse from going to jail or something silly like that, but to just own up to something that could get you years is prison just on a whim? I dont get it.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 4, 2003, 5:11 pm

because they are mentally ill.