The Right to Marry!

Lynxe · Post by **Lynxe** » August 27, 2003, 10:19 am

In Canada, a hot political topic is the legalization Gay Marriages.

Thoughts?

Siji · Post by **Siji** » August 27, 2003, 10:23 am

Judge not less thee be judged.. or something to that nature. What people do in their own lives is their own business as long as it's not adversely affecting others. Gay/Lesbian Black/White Dog/Cat marriage doesn't adversely affect others. Keep your nose in your own business and live your own life.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » August 27, 2003, 10:44 am

From the perspective of my religion, no. If you read the black (printed) part of the bible those folks are damned, though no one is beyond salvation. I don't see southern baptists allowing gay marriage anytime soon

From a personal aspect I think it's gross and don't understand it at all, but that's something between them and God. I've worked alongside openly gay people, it's not an issue. None of my business, doesn't impact me, don't tell me about it.

As a legal contract between two adults? Go to it and good luck. They don't require my consent or approval. I'm not sure why someone would bother, other than from a employer\govt benefits perspective there's not a lot of point to it.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 27, 2003, 10:47 am

Matthew 7

1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

People tend to leave off the rest of that verse.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 27, 2003, 10:56 am

CNN/CBS 40% for GM 55% against GM

FOX 26% for GM 62% against GM

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 27, 2003, 11:09 am

I'm pro in terms of life partners being eligible for spousal benefits in terms of pensions, insurance, ect.

I have no opinion of the church side of it, because organized religion hella sucks.

Tegellan · Post by **Tegellan** » August 27, 2003, 11:11 am

Can we get an "I don't give a fuck" option?

Trek · Post by **Trek** » August 27, 2003, 11:18 am

Its only a matter of time before it becomes legal. I don't see any other possible outcome in the future.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » August 27, 2003, 11:24 am

Is Lynxe looking for approval?

And to answer the question, to each their own...just do not allow kids yoo~

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 27, 2003, 11:31 am

You know,

I vote we let gay people marry then they too can fight the marriage tax. However why stop at sex of partner marriages. How about letting people from Texas marry a cow if they are into bestiality who are we to question it? Or how about letting people from Kentucky marry their sister, after all if they are into incest who are we to question it?

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » August 27, 2003, 11:38 am

Marriage is a bond between a man and a woman. Not a Man and a child, a woman and a pig or a man with a man. Its a social moray and a system instill in most civilized states.

Blah, Blah Blah ...

I am assuming that the benefits from being married are the root of this discussion. If its a monitary issue then it rings hollow, most of my gay friends are loaded. Its just the way it is. Most of my gay friends that are couples are content with that status. They love one another and that is good enough. They are lucky they found one another.

Gay adoption? Yes, I have no issue with that either. I think homosexuals, male or female make fabulous parents.

Now allow me to get graphic and cut to the chase.

I don't see a need for gay marriage to become legal. This is about classifying where one puts his cock or her tongue. I don't need to give people extra rights or special compensation for getting their jollies in a different fashion then I do. (Well, I do the tongue thing and have been known to do the backdoor thing with drunk debutants, but that is all acceptable because I am straight .. right?)

Leave marriage out of it. Don't judge Gays, don't discriminate, but please don't ask for special dispensation because you are attracted to your same sex.

p.s.: I can't stop watching Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. I may be on the road to Bette Midler CD's and Gay Cruises.

Post by **Sylvus** » August 27, 2003, 11:49 am

I'm all for letting gays marry each other. If your religion prohibits it, great. Don't let them get married in your church.

I do, however, think we should revoke the ability for the stupid to marry each other. They end up reproducing and their offspring come here and muck up the message board for the rest of us. Wait for it, I guarantee one of them will be posting not long after this...

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » August 27, 2003, 12:22 pm

It doesnt bother me if they just call it something else then marriage.

Lexien · Post by **Lexien** » August 27, 2003, 12:58 pm

I voted no just because i can!

Lynxe · Post by **Lynxe** » August 27, 2003, 1:03 pm

Interesting timeline about this topic with a Canadian spin on it:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/backgrou ... ights.html

1965
Everett Klippert acknowledges to police that he is gay, has had sex with men over a 24-year period, and is unlikely to change. In 1967, Klippert is sent to prison indefinitely as a "dangerous sex offender," a sentence which was backed up by the Supreme Court of Canada that same year.

More information but as a World View:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/backgrou ... ghts2.html

"July 27, 1982 – The United States
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention replaces the acronym GRIDS (Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome) with AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome)."

Food for thought:
- After a period of time, two people living together in a relationship are considered "common-law" in the eyes of the law (at least in Canada). Common-law or Married, if something happens to your partner you are entitled to benefits (depending on your coverage etc). Since marriage and common-law relationships for gay couples are not recognized legally, they don't qualify for these benefits (usually).
- Most people do not save sex for marriage so those are not marrying for sex. Some choose to live common-law with the same tangible benefits as married couples so it isn't for the benefits. You can even change your name without needing to get married. Bottom line, unless you are marrying for religion, the only other reason to marry is because you want to.
- Some religions are arguing that marriage is a religious act and government has no right to make this decision.

PS: Gurugurumaki, I thought I made it clear I was asking for pictures and videos?

Melrin_Specclaster · Post by **Melrin_Specclaster** » August 27, 2003, 1:08 pm

People use the 'do not judge' bit too much to play off what they do as a 'mind your own business'. By using it in this context you are trying to force people to accept it. Think it through, not just in a way that suits you. Nothing in the Bible says 'dont ask dont tell' or 'pretend it doesnt exist' or 'if I say its wrong then you have to accept it when people do it'.

So if you want to use the references, at least think realistically before you do.

And sure, I'll judge how you get married and God can judge how I get married, I don't see the problem there.

Now for my comedic quote: 'Gay people should have the same right to lose half their shit as I do'.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » August 27, 2003, 1:24 pm

This has already been posted at least once in the past....and I think possibly twice.

Karae · Post by **Karae** » August 27, 2003, 2:03 pm

It's sad that this is even an issue still. The obvious answer is, yes, they should be allowed to marry. Anyone with a different opinion is a homophobic bigot, no better than a member of the Ku Klux Klan.

Despite the tremendous progress that has been made in civil rights over the past 50 years we still have a long road ahead of us. I suppose I should be happy that we don't have lynch mobs for gays...but then again, we do have 'gay bashings.'

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 27, 2003, 2:04 pm

Younger people are much more likely than older Americans to support gay marriage. Sixty-one percent of 18- to 29-year-olds favor it; that drops to just 18 percent among people 65 and older.

Welp, just take that poll in another 10 years and we'll see the results shift yet again. Take that 82% of 65+ and ask them if they are for or against marriage between different races. Would be interesting.

Marriage is a legal binding. People bring religion into it because they decide to do so. A whole slew of people can be found being married in county clerk offices all across the country daily.

Seriously, what the hell is the difference if they get married? I'm just glad stupid opinions age and die off more frequently than sane ones.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » August 27, 2003, 2:31 pm

don't discriminate, but please don't ask for special dispensation because you are attracted to your same sex.

They're not asking for special 'dispensation'. They're asking for the same rights that other people have. Just as women asked for the same right to vote. Just as blacks asked for the same right to do pretty much anything.

I'm sure there are people that would love to see interracial marriages banned just as much as gay/lesbian marriages. There are probably still some old farts around that find it appauling the rights that women have these days. And who can forget the Klan and their thoughts on how blacks aren't considered real people. Or hey.. don't forget the Jews and how they shouldn't have any rights, or if you ask Hitler, any life either.

Live and let live. To each their own.

As for bible quotes, quite honestly, just about any point of view could be represented by some random quote in there.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » August 27, 2003, 2:36 pm

Sure, but not in a church. If they try and force thier way into a church they should be hit with a blunt object.

I'm not religious but gay weddings in a church is stupid.

The word of god is the bible, it's all we have.
The Bible says gay is bad.
The church is gods home.

Basically what they want to do is have a party in god's house to celebrate thier gayness which he thinks is wrong.

That's trespassing.

What are they trying to accomplish? GOD HATES THEM. Didn't he burn a whole city to the ground because of gay people? I mean...that's a strong statement.

I don't beleive a word the bible says or god, and that's why I don't go to church or care if I get married in one or not. But the only reason you get married in a church is because you want god to be witness to your marriage and bless it.

God will not bless your gay marriage. God will take down your names on the list of people to send to hell....if there is a god. So why again is it important to them?

For attention. And that's why I say hit them with a blunt object.

Deneve · Post by **Deneve** » August 27, 2003, 2:55 pm

im part of the KKK!
...i guess...

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 27, 2003, 2:56 pm

i disagree with the KKK reference due to the fact that those who vote no are not burning crosses, torturing little "colored" children and protesting for certain ethinic groups to be shipped back to africa, nor are they hanging random black men for dating a white woman.
I believe the hate group you were looking for would be skinheads and or the AGC (Anti-Gay Confederation) who were the ones responsible for the kidnapping and torturing of 14 homosexuals back in the late 90's.
Now if they were torturing black gay men and hanging black gay men then the reference would be A+. ( You can throw in Jewish people as well as persian/islamic too - they have branched out from what I understand).
Carry on.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » August 27, 2003, 2:56 pm

Boy oh boy do I love women

Siji · Post by **Siji** » August 27, 2003, 2:59 pm

What are they trying to accomplish? GOD HATES THEM. Didn't he burn a whole city to the ground because of gay people? I mean...that's a strong statement.

God doesn't hate anyone. But since you can ask 10 people the same question about religion and get 10 opinions or interpretations, it wouldn't be very productive to debate religion.

I don't beleive a word the bible says

Personally I see it as a book of interpretations written by man of things they saw, which has been interpretted a billion ways in the last 2003 years. Show me a book written by Jesus or God himself and I'll have much more faith in it. Man is fallable.

the only reason you get married in a church is because you want god to be witness to your marriage and bless it.

I'd have to strongly disagree with that. The reason I got married in a church was because my wife wanted the big wedding thing. She doesn't believe in religion and couldn't give a hoot less about what type of church it was other than it was nice looking inside. Although a lot of people do it for the exact reason you mentioned, just not everyone.

God will not bless your gay marriage. God will take down your names on the list of people to send to hell....if there is a god. So why again is it important to them?

I'd say it's for the benefits as mentioned in previous posts. Married couples are capable of things that others aren't. I'm sure that gay/lesbian couples would be just as content if marriage was made legal, even if only in front of a justice of the peace courthouse marriage.
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masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 27, 2003, 3:07 pm

Gurugurumaki wrote:Boy oh boy do I love women

You don't have to lie to us!

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » August 27, 2003, 3:39 pm

masteen wrote:
Gurugurumaki wrote:Boy oh boy do I love women
You don't have to lie to us!

ROAAARRRRR

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » August 27, 2003, 3:43 pm

Gurugurumaki wrote:Boy oh boy do I love women

Talking about gays makes you nervous huh?

Valkeria · Post by **Valkeria** » August 27, 2003, 3:44 pm

Everyone interprets the bible their own way (why do you think we have so many different sects of christianity?) My history teacher in high school once told us the bible was just a history book expressing that person's view of historical events. That it was up to us to seek the truth on our own. (Wise man and got his arse fired after that ) You believe what you want to believe all the power to you and if it helps you get through the day great, just do not force it on others.

Gay Marriages should be allowed, in that they only want the same rights under the law that heterosexual couples recieve when they get married. To find love in this world is pretty darn rare.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 27, 2003, 3:48 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:
Matthew 7

1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

People tend to leave off the rest of that verse.

oh god harry the homophobe is back on his favorite topic.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » August 27, 2003, 3:49 pm

Lalanae wrote:
Gurugurumaki wrote:Boy oh boy do I love women
Talking about gays makes you nervous huh?

Somehow I knew a comment like that was coming. Not in the least bit. Why can't I profess my love for the opposite gender? Make you nervous?

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » August 27, 2003, 3:53 pm

They're not asking for special 'dispensation'. They're asking for the same rights that other people have.

My reply: Why does putting your cock in a place most people wouldn't put their cock give you a need for special rights? That's the cruxt of this. Sexual preference.

Homosexuals can vote, adopt, work, own property and pay taxes. I see no reason to re-invent the Sacrement/legally binding institution of marriage.

I think gay marriage is covered in the 'Common Law' conversation help earlier in this thread. That should be good enough.

Nobody is asking for people to infringe on rights, you are asking for additional rights. Which ain't right. What I'm attracted to should not have an effect on society as a whole.

That being said, Marbus has a pretty mouth.
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Siji · Post by **Siji** » August 27, 2003, 3:55 pm

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brownies. Brownies > P i e

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 27, 2003, 4:14 pm

i have nothing but disrespect for those who give a shit for what others do in there personal lives as long as it doesnt directly effect another individual in a negative way

so fuck you if you are too self rightious and give a shit about what someone else does with there own personal lives...and why the fuck are people quoting the bible? this is a legal issue has nothin to do with what your bible says, if you think there going to go to hell, then good for you

eOmniz · Post by **eOmniz** » August 27, 2003, 4:25 pm

IMO, there is 0 basis for a legal argument against gay marriages.

Religious reasons? Sure I can see that. What the fuck does that have to do with legalizing them?

I dont understand how this could be denied in court. What do the judges and shit say when they deny it? Do they actually say its wrong, immoral, etc.?

If you think homosexuality is a sin, then what difference does it make to you? According to you, they'll go to hell, that'd be their choice, not your's.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » August 27, 2003, 4:35 pm

Fuck em all, let god sort it out

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 27, 2003, 4:37 pm

You know after deep thought and consideration I think faggots should be as able to be screwed by marriage as breeders are.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 27, 2003, 4:38 pm

That's "Kill 'em all, let God sort them out"
BAD BAD BAD
Fuck em all sounds liek some Houston gangbang line

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 27, 2003, 5:00 pm

Seebs wrote:Homosexuals can vote, adopt, work, own property and pay taxes. I see no reason to re-invent the Sacrement/legally binding institution of marriage.

The Sacrement of marriage doesn't apply to a ton of people in this country. Millions aren't catholic, get over it.

Nobody is asking for people to infringe on rights, you are asking for additional rights.

What additional rights? The "right" to marry already exists, why would you be so concerned about which two people take part in it?

You know after deep thought and consideration I think faggots should be as able to be screwed by marriage as breeders are.

There you go. Seriously, what's so special about being married heh. If they want to be apart of this "joy" let them.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » August 27, 2003, 5:09 pm

"No, for non-religious reasons!"

I agree with common law status, bestowing all the rights that a married couple get with regards of the law.

I do not agree with forcing society to change such a basic institution that does no harm, especially when the change is counter productive to the society's advancement.

I agree with Sylvus. It would be much more benefitial to society if we encouraged evolutionary dead ends for stupid people.

Edit: The druid not the ranger

Etasi · Post by **Etasi** » August 27, 2003, 5:17 pm

Seebs wrote:My reply: Why does putting your cock in a place most people wouldn't put their cock give you a need for special rights? That's the cruxt of this. Sexual preference.

You realize that such an argument makes no logical sense, right?

What you're saying is that because someone is different from the majority, they're not entitled to the same rights held by those in the majority.

At least try and argue something that actually makes sense in the context of the history of the US and it's legal system.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 27, 2003, 5:21 pm

It's not an official "gay" thread w/out Sylvos. Now we just need Fes to post a pic of some dude's ass, and the circle will be complete.

Spankes · Post by **Spankes** » August 27, 2003, 5:27 pm

Etasi wrote:At least try and argue something that actually makes sense in the context of the history of the US and it's legal system.

Sodomy is illegal in many states. To allow same sex marriage is to allow a contradictory law and break an already set precedent.

I think same sex marriage is fine, but it is more complex than simply allowing it one day.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » August 27, 2003, 5:28 pm

in order to make this happen, somebody is going to have to figure out how to placate the people who vehemently object to gay marriage.

there are people out there (mostly from older generations/rural areas and/or sheltered offspring of those generations) who just plain, flat out hate gay people. wtf knows why - fear, loathing, just don't agree with the lifestyle. they've dug their heels in and that's it. nobody's going to change their minds. only time and breeding is going to change anything.

but there are also religious zealots who cannot stand the thought of gays being bound together "under god." i think the easiest solution for this would be to institute some sort of legal binding - other than marriage - that would give gay couples the same legal rights and avantages/disadvantages as hetero couples.

other people don't really have a reason, they're just anti-change. they were raised under a particular set of ideals and morals and well dammit, that's how it ought to be! (my parents fall into this category. hell they nearly had heart attacks when they changed nevada day to the last friday of october rather than leaving it on october 31st. and the year marijuana was legalized for medicinal purposes you would've thought they reenacted apartheid.)

personally, i really don't mind one way or the other. i can understand why gays are fighting for this, there are a lot of pros from a legal standpoint. i know it would kill my parents (and grandparents for that matter) if this is made legal. and while i don't agree with it, i can see why this idea has such staunch opposition - their generations are the people who vote in the highest numbers.

edit - i voted for beer plz

Karae · Post by **Karae** » August 27, 2003, 5:39 pm

Sylvos wrote:i disagree with the KKK reference due to the fact that those who vote no are not burning crosses, torturing little "colored" children and protesting for certain ethinic groups to be shipped back to africa, nor are they hanging random black men for dating a white woman.
I believe the hate group you were looking for would be skinheads and or the AGC (Anti-Gay Confederation) who were the ones responsible for the kidnapping and torturing of 14 homosexuals back in the late 90's.
Now if they were torturing black gay men and hanging black gay men then the reference would be A+. ( You can throw in Jewish people as well as persian/islamic too - they have branched out from what I understand).
Carry on.

I said they were NO BETTER than a member of the KKK, not a member themselves. Read it again. The analogy is valid.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 27, 2003, 5:45 pm

Once again it warms my heart to see that almost half of the voters are non religious. There's hope for our future. Keep things such as the 10 Commandments off of our government buildings and surroundings and that number will climb another 20 percent or so.

As for gay mariages. Marriage is a contract and as such, any two people should be able to enter into a legally binding contract. Again, any religious ideals of marriage should be shredded and ignored my our goverment.

Karae · Post by **Karae** » August 27, 2003, 5:48 pm

I agree with Winnow...world..coming..crashing..down..around me!

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » August 27, 2003, 5:56 pm

spankes ... sodomy is no longer illegal thx supreme court .... and seebs you sound just like adex when it comes to being a homophobe you won't come out and say it

being denyed to have the same rights as straight people simply because you like someone of the same sex is wrong ... would you like it if i told you you couldn't marry your wife or something because she was a different race then you? im sure you would be pretty god damn pissed.

the reason most gays have more money is because they don't have the expense of kids unless they want them

I don't see a need for gay marriage to become legal. This is about classifying where one puts his cock or her tongue. I don't need to give people extra rights or special compensation for getting their jollies in a different fashion then I do. (Well, I do the tongue thing and have been known to do the backdoor thing with drunk debutants, but that is all acceptable because I am straight .. right?)

so your superior because you put it where god says its ok .. and only rarely do the backdoor but its ok for you since your straight but be damned if your gay? thx adex jr

Truant · Post by **Truant** » August 27, 2003, 6:05 pm

Why god is even included in a marriage is beyond me.

Two people should be allowed to be married.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » August 27, 2003, 6:08 pm

because marriage has something to do with god even though it has 90% more to do with the goverment

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