This is gonna start a shitstorm

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 22, 2003, 7:19 pm

oh sweet I can quote the palestinian monitor when I debate with you without getting my source questioned. palmon always comes up first when you google so its easy to find quotes from it.

also, what is the definition of homes being illegally built in gaza, which is supposed to be palestinian land?

Oh, you edited your post and completely changed it.

okay, then why was the IDF bulldozing someone's house because there were "allegations that he was a collaborator." is that justice? do you think she was a terrorist collaborator too?

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » August 22, 2003, 7:24 pm

A suspected collaborator!!

This definitely justifies bulldozing someones home and anyone standing in the way or inside.

Are you really so detached that this seems right to you?

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » August 22, 2003, 7:53 pm

Kyuokan,
1. A quick grats on not even bothering with an "I guess I was wrong" about the house being the house of her and her fellow Human Shields.

2. I did not edit my post "to completely change it." My first post went up with two possibilities for that house, further research refined my need to guess so I deleted the part that was not relevant. But if you want to know, I'll dig up some references to it. Yes, it is supposed to be "palestinian" land (or more precisly, land Israel agreed to allow for palestinian settlement). Israel enforces that agreement there by, from time to time, bulldozing homes (some of which are palestinian and some of which are Israeli).

3. Of course you can't use the palestinian monitor as gosple and expect me to just accept it. Are you really that stupid, or just hoping your audience is? I used it as a source because, to the extent the palestinian monitor and the affidavits of R. Corrie's had an incentive to twist the facts, they would have twisted them to put Israel in a less favourable light. Since such a source still proved that you did not know what you were talking about (I know I was shocked to find you had yet again pull some fact out of your ass), it looked like a good choice. You can't argue that the palestinian monitor twisted the news to favour Israel.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 22, 2003, 7:54 pm

hum if I recall there was a video of that one person who got squished by a tank. She was wearing bright colors and hardly jumped in front of it. The tank then drove over her, then backed up over her again.

There have been severeal situations where Israeli tanks move into refugee camps, and since the streets are too narrow for them, they simply make their own streets. People inside the houses? Too bad. Please, don't try and paint them as saints. They don't give a fuck about wether they kill innocents or not.

Applaud Israel for it's restraint for not killing indiscriminantly.

Oh please, the only thing that has stopped Israel from doing that is that it has been dependant on countries that would turn their back on them if they did. Of course, they shouldn't even have nuclear weapons! But a certain country didn't follow the agreement of not spreading the technology...

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 22, 2003, 7:56 pm

3. Of course you can't use the palestinian monitor as gosple and expect me to just accept it.

Why not? People try to use Fox News that way all the time..

Acies · Post by **Acies** » August 22, 2003, 8:03 pm

Kelshara wrote:hum if I recall there was a video of that one person who got squished by a tank. She was wearing bright colors and hardly jumped in front of it. The tank then drove over her, then backed up over her again.

There have been severeal situations where Israeli tanks move into refugee camps, and since the streets are too narrow for them, they simply make their own streets. People inside the houses? Too bad. Please, don't try and paint them as saints. They don't give a fuck about wether they kill innocents or not.

Applaud Israel for it's restraint for not killing indiscriminantly.
Oh please, the only thing that has stopped Israel from doing that is that it has been dependant on countries that would turn their back on them if they did. Of course, they shouldn't even have nuclear weapons! But a certain country didn't follow the agreement of not spreading the technology...

I would like to see that tank footage. Link please?

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » August 22, 2003, 8:04 pm

If you use Fox News to support some politically conservative reasoning, you should expect people to question your source.

If you use the palestinian monitor to support something anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian, you should expect people to question your source.

If you want people not to question the bias of your sorce, you:

1. Use a source people accept as neutral on eh subject -or-

2. use a source that if it is biased, it would be biased in the opposite direction of the issue you are trying to prove.

It's hard to believe I have to actually explain that.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 22, 2003, 8:56 pm

I'll see if the Norwegian paper I got the link from has it, this was a few months ago so it is probably not the one being debated here (hence why I said "One of the people killed" and not "This person"). Might not get it until tomorrow though, sorry.

And I know perfectly well how to use a good source. However, I also see the huge hypocrisy of people who bitch about the sources other people use yet preach Fox News like gospel.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » August 22, 2003, 8:58 pm

Kelshara wrote:I'll see if the Norwegian paper I got the link from has it, this was a few months ago so it is probably not the one being debated here (hence why I said "One of the people killed" and not "This person"). Might not get it until tomorrow though, sorry.

And I know perfectly well how to use a good source. However, I also see the huge hypocrisy of people who bitch about the sources other people use yet preach Fox News like gospel.

Kelshara, I do not doubt you or what you saw. However, somethings I prefer to see, to help me empathize with another pov.