Moron or no?

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » August 26, 2002, 9:12 am

Hello all (let the jackassing begin).

Something weird happened last night and I'd like to know what others here think... A necro guildie of mine was running low on essense emeralds and asked me to sac her warrior that she no longer plays very much, so I meet her in the Nexus and procede to sacrifice her 20 times.

The warrior is apparently still tagged Knights of Force, and not long after completing the sacrifices Fynris, the KoF guildleader and potential shithead of the day, sends me a tell asking how I know the warrior in question. I say she's a friend and ask what's up. He says that "he didn't authorize" her to shed 2 levels and suspects that I've hacked her account. This is based only on the fact that I sacrificed his guildie 20 times and then said guildie promplty logged off. I say whatever and and ask him to take it up with the character in question. He sends me a tell saying that he's petitioned me and /reported the conversation, which completely baffled me.

We get into a bit of a (heated) conversation about it and he keeps saying that he's just looking out for his guild and doing what he thinks is right given the "suspicious circumstances." Eventually I pursuade him to actually communicate with the character that I was doing the sacrifices for, and he cleared everything up. When contacted by a guide, he explained the situation to him and the whole thing "cool."

So, what I want to know is this: Am I just totally off base, or is this guy a monster shithead?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 26, 2002, 9:32 am

I'd say you're way off base. He was just looking out for his friend/guildmates's best intres. I would be curious too. It all worked out in the end anyway.

Welcome to the board, jackass.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » August 26, 2002, 10:01 am

I can't blame him, I would likely do the same thing.

I doubt I'd argue with you about it in game all that much though. It's not like he can do anything beyond report/petition and speak to the account owner.

Jugata · Post by **Jugata** » August 26, 2002, 10:17 am

KoF are the scourge of Veeshan!

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » August 26, 2002, 10:25 am

I think the guy should have at least tried to contact the owner of the character to find out what was going on. As far as "Authorizing" anything, I believe, is none of his damn business. If my guildmaster tried that shit with me I'd tell him the same. Just damn lucky I don't know shit about sacrificing and shit like that.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 26, 2002, 10:25 am

If the character was tagged, the guild leader should have been informed. As for me, I would have /guildremoved you on the spot. However, what he did was understandable under the circumstances. What was he supposed to think? Communicaiton is key...

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » August 26, 2002, 10:55 am

A necro guildie of mine was running low on essense emeralds and asked me to sac her warrior that she no longer plays very much, so I meet her in the Nexus and procede to sacrifice her 20 times.

Well... if the person who owned the character was at the keys, why was Fynris discussing this with you, not the account's owner/player? I'm not a necro and haven't played one, but aren't sacrifices a consentual thing, like a duel, TL or Rez, where you either have to acknowledge the caster's request some how? If he was pissed about an "unauthorized" shedding of levels, then he should have taken it up with the person at the controls of the warrior. If you were 2 boxxing the account yourself, then I can see why he would have questioned this. IMO Fynris was questioning the wrong person...

At any rate, if your guildie is the real and legitimate owner of the char, if the guides/GMs ever contact them (and it IS a big "if" these days) you should be off the hook. If the account was hacked or sold (I don't know your guildie so please allow this as a theoretical possibility), you're still likely to be OK, as long as you aren't 2 boxxing it.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » August 26, 2002, 11:17 am

Don't get me wrong - I understand his concern, and quite frankly if a guildie of mine had been missing for a while and suddenly showed up being sacrificed down to 48 in the nexus I'd want to check into it too. I guess what got me upset is the fact that he refused to deal with the character in question, and instead immediately assumed that I was somehow the wrong doer. I ended up spending an hour dealing with this clown and the guide that responded to the incident when it took him all of 5 minutes to resolve things once he finally bothered talking to the owner of the account in question.

I don't fault his concern or vigilance, I fault - and was rather perturbed by - his quick rush to judgment.

Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » August 26, 2002, 12:16 pm

Sorry but if I was doing a favor for a friend in game and was questioned by the friends Guild Leader I would direct him to talk to the person in his guild. If he persisted in grilling me I would /flip him off and then /ignor.

Sorry Fyn my friend but I think petitioning went too far as it could have resulted in a ban on your guildmates account.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 26, 2002, 12:22 pm

First, the friend who asked you to do the sacrifices should have handled this with his old GL.

Second, how did Fynris contact you on your account? Telling him your actual character name was mistake #1.

Lastly, why did you engage him in a conversation at all? Ignore lists were made for a reason. Your first and only response whould have been "I was asked to log my friend's alt for sac purposes. Talk to XXX for any further infos." Any other contact from him after that should have been /reported as harrassment.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » August 26, 2002, 1:23 pm

I was still logged on as my necro, so I can only assume that he contacted me because I was the one doing the sacrifices. My response was pretty much as you suggested: "I'm doing a favor for a friend, please take it up with discarded_warrior07." At which point he informed me that I was being petitioned / reported. I probably should've just dropped it and ignored him, but that set me off a bit hehe.

Karae · Post by **Karae** » August 26, 2002, 2:11 pm

masteen wrote:First, the friend who asked you to do the sacrifices should have handled this with his old GL.

Why? It's not Fynris' account.

Elf · Post by **Elf** » August 26, 2002, 2:42 pm

I can see where the confusion is. The necro friend of yours has a character in your guild and our guild. Fynris probably thought your guildmate was hacking a KoF account to use for sacrafices and was abit worried.
He was probably on your case because he thought the original owner of the account (KoF warrior) was hacked and couldnt trust anything that person said from the start.

Best solution is to guild that warrior into LoV and dont promote having multiple characters in different guilds.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 26, 2002, 2:58 pm

It wasn't Xat's account either, so why should he have to deal with his friend's former guild leader?

Truant · Post by **Truant** » August 26, 2002, 3:36 pm

I didn't read this thread.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 26, 2002, 3:48 pm

Truant wrote:I didn't read this thread.

neither did i

Skunki · Post by **Skunki** » August 26, 2002, 5:53 pm

If it was my character and i asked anyone to do this for me, and i had to get "approval" from any guildleader in the game to do what is my right as a paying customer for my account, I would tell the guildleader to go fuck themselves, How dare anyone be egotistic enough to authorize what other people do with their accounts in their guild. THis is the most rediculous thing i have ever heard going on all the facts being given here.

I can understand the concern, but the guildleader should have talked to the owner of said account before being stupid enough to accuse someone something on an ASSUmption.

Besisdes, doesnt it take like one day to get from level 48 back to 50? hehe

P.S hehe voro you did too or you couldnt have replied!!!

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » August 26, 2002, 6:10 pm

Karae wrote:
masteen wrote:First, the friend who asked you to do the sacrifices should have handled this with his old GL.
Why? It's not Fynris' account.

i agree
it's not his business reguardless of what guidltag the person had. lol, i didn't authorize it.. thats quality.

Legenae · Post by **Legenae** » August 26, 2002, 6:34 pm

/wave Truunka

Oh BTW.. Jackass!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 26, 2002, 6:38 pm

well if you are a guildleader and you see that a player in your guild has delevelled a couple of levels in a period of a few hours, especially when guilds like FoH are advertising they are purchasing essence emeralds in bulk (so the market is there for a nice sale), i think it is reasonable to be concerned.

to assume that the original post is 100% accurate representation of what happened is also perhaps a bit optimistic.

there are always at least a couple of sides to the story.

additionally, keeping alts tagged in a former guild is pretty retarded.

regardless i give zero shits

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 26, 2002, 7:13 pm

THE DANCING CHICKEN VOTES YOU ARE A MORON

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 26, 2002, 8:28 pm

that pretty much settles that
LOL

Aedryn · Post by **Aedryn** » August 26, 2002, 10:58 pm

hahaha love the chicken !!!

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » August 26, 2002, 11:38 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote: THE DANCING CHICKEN VOTES YOU ARE A MORON

ROFL, that's a keeper. Have to slow it down a bit, looks like it's getting shocked

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 26, 2002, 11:45 pm

Get in my Showtime Rotisserre, chicken!!!

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » August 26, 2002, 11:48 pm

heheh - that's the good stuff

Snugglegutzs · Post by **Snugglegutzs** » August 27, 2002, 12:26 am

Least ya could have done was cleaned up the bodies

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » August 27, 2002, 12:30 am

heheh - that pile o' corpses is not my doing.. my guildie cleaned up as we went :)

Aedryn · Post by **Aedryn** » August 27, 2002, 12:51 am

Aye those corpses are a pain in the ass !!

Xaem · Post by **Xaem** » August 27, 2002, 1:12 am

Just
As
Corn
Kicks
Around
Some
Sand

Nightops_KoF · Post by **Nightops_KoF** » August 27, 2002, 1:31 am

Welcome to the Boards Jackass.... blah blah.. original.

I first would like to mention the fact that people need to read more and catch more of what was mentioned. Doing so.. more people would have caught the fact that Xatrei stated that once the sac's were done, the warrior logged off (and not to the main either because we checked). So Fynris couldnt take it up with the owner of the account.

Secondly, as we all know GM's dont help you with shit unless you got a report and petition in... not one or the other.. but both. I suspect this is the reasoning behind Fynris' actions. And we all know the report system is crap so thats why it was done fast. Its easier to clear it up after its in then to try to show proof after its been done for a few hours.

Third, I would like to say that if someone did potentially hack an account here.. why just settle for gear if they have a necro around.. why not just shit on them even more for letting the account be hacked by sac'ing them back a few lvls and making even more cash in doing so. Since someone posted (I dont follow this closely) that FoH (and maybe others) are buying the emeralds in bulk.

Forth, if someone logged in my account and started sac'ing my alt at will and doing it fast.. I SURE hope someone would make note of it and start questioning the involved parties. I know lvls are easy.. blah blah.. but its an alt.. so why would anyone want to repeat lvls on a character they play for fun and is not their main... not I.

Fifth, if someone questions me about doing something.. and my responce is similar to the one you quoted ("I'm doing a favor for a friend, please take it up with discarded_warrior07." -Xatrei) I would have petitioned as well. Dont you think you could have been a little more precise about mentioned the person's main that asked and some other details other then just saying a friend and a discared_warrior07?

In closing, I agree with Canelek of KOE, .. since the character was tagged (and esp an alt), the guildleader or an officer of KoF should have been informed by the owner of the account. I also would like to pass my judgement on your original questioning about who is off base. I feel your off base and should think about what others might be thinking when doing something like sac'ing an alt at random and then posting here about something that was cleared up in game with realitive ease once the proper explaining was done.

noel · Post by **noel** » August 27, 2002, 1:36 am

JACKASS!

We stopped giving a shit about this like.... 5 minutes after the original post was made.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 27, 2002, 1:46 am

Um, ok..jackass

Fynris · Post by **Fynris** » August 27, 2002, 2:27 am

Greetings all,

If I may take a moment to explain my side of this story. As explained, Trunnka (playing Xagyg at the time) was saccing an Alt that was tagged KoF. This is the info I had at the time... Necro is saccing a KoF member, Member was 50 and is now 48. I and others send the KoF member a /tell asking what is going on... there is no response and the character is logged (I found out later that the owner was logging to main character... was at 5 when /tells hit). So I ask the Necro responsible for the saccing what is going on. At this point my suspicions are running high, i've seen accounts hacked before. I've also been told by GMs that if I don't /report suspicious behavior quickly, there won't be much they can do. The response I got from the Necro was, "You'll have to take this up with The_Sacced_Warrior_01"... no other information given. Having no more info than I did at the time, I did what I thought was best, I thought there was a serious chance that the account was hacked, I reported it.

Trunnka decides to get a wee bit upset and the heated debate began. I should have/could have put him on /ignore, but I felt it important to talk about it. The owner of the account in question sent me a tell and we began to comunicate. She proved to me that she was who she said she was and explained that she wasn't playing that character anymore and needed Essence Emeralds (yada yada). I then told Trunnka that I had talked to the owner, cleared things up with her and that I would clear things up with the GM. Trunnka 'persuaded' me of nothing... all he did was tell me what an idiot he thought I was and that he would accept my apology once I decided not quit being an idiot. I told him that I would never apologize for trying to protect my own and trying be the best Guild Leader I can be. I cleared things up with the GM, told Trunnka and the owner the same... over and done.

I do not believe that any member of my guild needs my 'approval' to do anything they wish. However, in this particular circumstance, communication of the events and their intent would have gone a long way to keeping this from happening.

That is my side of the story... I DID try to talk to the account owner, but the character logged... I DON"T require people to get my 'approval' for this, I only ask to be informed that it is happening so that I and the officers don't worry. Yes, this character will be de-tagged koF, if it isn't already, I've spoken to the owner about this already.

noel · Post by **noel** » August 27, 2002, 2:32 am

Fynris, on a serious note, you did the completely the right thing. Anyone who has ever been an officer/leader of a guild knows that. The original poster just decided to take a complete non-issue and get opinions on it, because that's what people who lack the faculties to think for themselves do.

Now if we could please let this stupid thread die...

Natak · Post by **Natak** » August 28, 2002, 6:04 pm

Actually, what he did might have been (partially) right, but his people skills are atrocious.

He should have contacted the guildee first, before petition and report. Yes, they say do it quickly, but that doesn't mean do it first. Do it after you have the facts, so you don't stick your foot in your mouth.

He didn't "Authorize" the level lost. OMG. That is so funny. Tell you what. You can tell me what to do with my characters when you start paying for my EQ.

Other than that, It is good to see someone looking out for thier guild members, too bad he was a dork about the encounter.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » August 28, 2002, 11:22 pm

Oh, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

You over critical pool of moose piss. Nobody gives a FUCK about your opinion of how it should have been handled. Very few could care about the whole situation to begin with. That said, go stick your finger in a socket or something that could possibly save us from your pathetic, whining about other peoples' actions.

GOD DAMNED SONS OF BITCHES!

fcocking donut

oh and i guess jackass.

Yes this was written for you, you no posting fuck. Welcome to the board.

Drolgin Steingrinder · August 29, 2002, 8:50 am

*wipes a tear from his eye*

My little Truant is all grown up!

*sniffle*

MideonNViscera · Post by **MideonNViscera** » August 29, 2002, 2:20 pm

Canelek-KOE wrote:If the character was tagged, the guild leader should have been informed. As for me, I would have /guildremoved you on the spot. However, what he did was understandable under the circumstances. What was he supposed to think? Communicaiton is key...

What the fuck business is it of the guildleader? Do guildleaders suddenly have creative control over the characters in the guild? He didn't need to be informed of shit all.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 29, 2002, 3:14 pm

I don't give a good god damn what you think

jackass...

Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » August 29, 2002, 3:18 pm

Jackass!

Natak · Post by **Natak** » August 29, 2002, 5:49 pm

wow what a flame truant. thanks for the welcome.

I notice it took you five hours to come up with that. It must have taxed that single brain cell you have between your legs to the limit! Next time, try being a little more creative, maybe suggesting that I visit a disease infested whorehouse in Cambodia and have sex with a 3 month old goat. Oh wait, that is your schtick, isn't it.

/wave and thanks for the welcome.

noel · Post by **noel** » August 29, 2002, 6:08 pm

What'd you do Natak, pull your head out of the trough of shit you were eating from, while sitting in your unairconditioned trailer, tell your sister to stop blowing you, and have her help you write that piece of shit you're representing as a flame?

This issue was dead the moment it was posted. Of course a guild member/officer/leader is going to be a little concerned when they see a member dropping a few levels. This is not fucking rocket science. Here's a thought. If you don't like it, don't join the fucking guild.

To underscore the main point, no one cares what you think. Go back to sniffing paint you stupid-motherfucking-diarrhea-through-a-straw-slurping-inbred-cockknocker.

Aranuil
"Well I'm a mushroom-cloud-laying motherfucker, motherfucker." - Samuel L. Jackson

PS The probable reason that Truant missed your posting time limit, is because unlike you, the rest of us realize that this thread is fucking stupid.

Natak wrote:wow what a flame truant. thanks for the welcome.

I notice it took you five hours to come up with that. It must have taxed that single brain cell you have between your legs to the limit! Next time, try being a little more creative, maybe suggesting that I visit a disease infested whorehouse in Cambodia and have sex with a 3 month old goat. Oh wait, that is your schtick, isn't it.

/wave and thanks for the welcome.

Natak · Post by **Natak** » August 29, 2002, 6:21 pm

if that is the case, then why did you just post?

NICE by the way. Too bad attributing me with you current lifestyle isn't very original.

Maybe if you quit licking the shit off of Truants dick once he is done fucking your pansy ass, you might be able to have an intelligent conversation with a person.

noel · Post by **noel** » August 29, 2002, 6:25 pm

I know I can have an intelligent conversation with a person. However, given your lack thereof, that person won't be you.

Anyway, Tru's not my type. He has a penis.

Please do us a favor and stop your inane drivel...

you != witty

Natak · Post by **Natak** » August 29, 2002, 6:29 pm

OMG

do you just troll here? I have an excuse, I am bored at work.

And yes, I do believe that I am not a person you could have an intelligent conversation with. You simply do not have the vocabulary, nor the wit, nor even an interesting thought in that simple little head of yours to keep my attention.

Oh, and I did figure that Truant was a guy, but your apparent love of him drove my comment about you enjoying the taste. Perhaps I was wrong. Maybe you are the catcher instead of the receiver.

Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » August 29, 2002, 6:30 pm

OMG Natak just pwned>Aranul NOT!

We have a new Searyx oh yay!

noel · Post by **noel** » August 29, 2002, 6:35 pm

I'm sorry, are you actually reading what I write, or are you typing up your next reply before I post?

As far as me trolling here? I think I've been here a bit longer than you, so perhaps if you lurked a bit and learned the culture of this board, instead of just stopping by and letting lose an poorly-formed diatribe, you'd know that I don't troll here. I just combat stupidity where I find it. Memo to you: Rehashing something we've already covered, and bumping a dead thread = stupidity.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » August 29, 2002, 6:36 pm

OMG YES I TAXED MY BRAIN FOR 5 HOURS TO COME UP WITH THAT REPLY.

By that logic, you took 18 hours. So who's a big dumbass now?

In all honesty I typed that in about 5 minutes, with no pre meditation.

That said, your reply, criticizing my weak flame, was weaker than my weak flame. Why the fuck am I wasting my time replying then? Fuck if I know...maybe so you'll get a hint and post something worth reading, or do something else intelligent.

You want to battle wits with me? Bring it.

Natak · Post by **Natak** » August 29, 2002, 6:43 pm

Perhaps you should combat your own stupidity.

Assuming that I have not been visiting this board since its inception, and rather than post in what are normally very boring threads, but instead just chuckle to myself at what is being said shows that you yourself have no understanding of what is being discussed nor of people in general. As for this being dead, yes, perhaps I did bump a thread that was dead for maybe a total of 18 hours (yes, your post was the one before mine, so if it was dead, why even post?)

And Truant, I don't want a battle of wits. If I were to, people might become confused and assume that I was as dimwitted as you. Both of our threads were weak, and Although this board is labeled Veeshan flames, I have yet to see a truly worth one. Personally, I try not to flame, but today is just a bad day, so I feel like lowering myself to the standards of conduct on this board by some of the members.

In reality, I could care less about what you think about me, for if a person truly believed some of what they type across the internet, then those people have a lot to learn about what is real.

VeeshanVault

Moron or no?

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