Women and Underwear

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » August 21, 2003, 3:51 pm

Yes, and of course those who smoke just need to quit, right?

I think you need to take a look at the difference between the words 'simple' and 'easy'.

Your statement was simple. You are making the mistake of equating that with easy.

Lexien · Post by **Lexien** » August 21, 2003, 4:05 pm

Reading comprehension 101.

Where did i say it was easy?

Read again, quote me.. or something.

Thank you come again!

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » August 21, 2003, 4:07 pm

Lexien wrote: So if you are fat and you are ok with that something is terribly wrong with you.

Some people can't help their weight i.e. thyroid problems and medication isn't always the solution. To think happy fat people have "terrible" problems leads me to believe your are infact ignorant and stupid.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » August 21, 2003, 4:09 pm

little bit of hardwork and perseverance

Happy? Little bit of hard work my ass. Let's see you come back from 100+ pounds of extra weight. It's a LOT of work, and it takes sustained effort over months.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » August 21, 2003, 4:10 pm

Fallanthas wrote:
little bit of hardwork and perseverance
Happy? Little bit of hard work my ass. Let's see you come back from 100+ pounds of extra weight. It's a LOT of work, and it takes sustained effort over months.

Subway anyone?

Lexien · Post by **Lexien** » August 21, 2003, 4:11 pm

You are right and they do have something wrong with them you said it yourself.

i.e. thyroid problems and medication isn't always the solution.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 21, 2003, 4:11 pm

Make that years Fall. Not that it matters, he's acting like a know-it-all putz anyway

In addition, if you were overweight in your youth, it's WAY harder to take it off than if you're just trying to lose some extra weight you gained in college

Lexien · Post by **Lexien** » August 21, 2003, 4:15 pm

Here i wil edit my post and take off this word that seems to be misleading you into thinking that i was implying that hard work was easy.

Maybe you will stop trolling?!

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » August 21, 2003, 4:24 pm

Everyone knows you meant something wrong with them in the head, not body cockknobbler.

Lexien · Post by **Lexien** » August 21, 2003, 4:26 pm

Chidoro wrote:Make that years Fall. Not that it matters, he's acting like a know-it-all putz anyway

In addition, if you were overweight in your youth, it's WAY harder to take it off than if you're just trying to lose some extra weight you gained in college

Ask a doctor if a fat person is healthy.

I am not arguing that its hard to loose the weight i was just trying to let you people know that being fat is not good for you.

And i am done posting on this matter.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 21, 2003, 4:34 pm

I'm willing to bet $1,000 that there a people you would consider fat that are in better shape than you.

I am not arguing that its hard to loose the weight i was just trying to let you people know that being fat is not good for you.

Congrats, you win today's "I'm a backpedaling jackass" award

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » August 21, 2003, 4:36 pm

Chidoro wrote:
I am not arguing that its hard to loose the weight i was just trying to let you people know that being fat is not good for you.
Congrats, you win today's "I'm a backpedaling jackass" award

Or "Captain Obvious" award.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » August 21, 2003, 4:40 pm

Agreed Chidoro.

All three of my daughters are going to spend the rest of their lives fighting weight issues. They picked up the 'heavy' gene from my wife's side of the family, most of whom would be in the 50+ pound overweight category.

It's been a hell of an eye opener watching how hard both my kids and my wife have to work to lose weight. I am one of those with a pretty active metabolism. Getting 20 pounds heavy takes some serious abuse on my part.

Badabidi · Post by **Badabidi** » August 21, 2003, 4:40 pm

Lexien ought to just edit his whole last post out

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » August 21, 2003, 5:09 pm

Lexien wrote:
Chidoro wrote:Make that years Fall. Not that it matters, he's acting like a know-it-all putz anyway

In addition, if you were overweight in your youth, it's WAY harder to take it off than if you're just trying to lose some extra weight you gained in college
Ask a doctor if a fat person is healthy.

I am not arguing that its hard to loose the weight i was just trying to let you people know that being fat is not good for you.

And i am done posting on this matter.

Ask a doctor if smoking is healthy.
Ask a doctor if drinking a lot of alcohol is healthy.
Ask a doctor if doing drugs is healthy.

There are a lot of things that aren't healthy in the world.

My mother, god rest her soul, told me a long time ago. The secret to everything in this world is everything in moderation.

Too much of anything is not healthy. It doesn't matter if it's food, tobaco, alcohol, EQ, or whatever. If you can't control it so you are doing it in moderation, then you will have issues.

But this thread isn't about if it's healthy or not to be overweight. I am sure everyone here can agree that being overweight puts you at risk for a large number of health problems. Including heart disease, high-blood pressure, diabetes, and more.

This thread became about Pilsburry's retard logic that he some how has a right to not see overweight people.

/sarcasm
You know we should get separate schools, resturaunts, busses, etc. for all them damn fat people. They don't have a right to be around the skinny "beautiful" people. Stick 'em all on an island is what I say.
/sarcasm off

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » August 21, 2003, 5:14 pm

Sabek wrote: /sarcasm
You know we should get separate schools, resturaunts, busses, etc. for all them damn fat people. They don't have a right to be around the skinny "beautiful" people. Stick 'em all on an island is what I say.
/sarcasm off

But which island?

/ponders

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 21, 2003, 5:36 pm

Just to point out something, very few people who are fat are because of medical conditions, I am sure someone can go research it and get exact numbers but some presidential fitness thing a few years ago said 1% of obese people in the US were that way because of medical issues.

On the other hand, if you cannot come back from being 100lbs overweight, then you are a lazy pathetic motherfucker. I have done it, and the hardest part is still keeping myself in clothes and belts as I shrink out of the SOB's.

Smoking, feh, 37 days done now.

People can accomplish whatever they want to, weight loss is easy, quitting smoking is easy. The hard part is growing up enough to take responsibility for yourself and doing it rather than whining about it.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » August 21, 2003, 5:41 pm

Kylere wrote:Just to point out something, very few people who are fat are because of medical conditions, I am sure someone can go research it and get exact numbers but some presidential fitness thing a few years ago said 1% of obese people in the US were that way because of medical issues.

On the other hand, if you cannot come back from being 100lbs overweight, then you are a lazy pathetic motherfucker. I have done it, and the hardest part is still keeping myself in clothes and belts as I shrink out of the SOB's.

Smoking, feh, 37 days done now.

People can accomplish whatever they want to, weight loss is easy, quitting smoking is easy. The hard part is growing up enough to take responsibility for yourself and doing it rather than whining about it.

Good Job Kylere :vv_smiliemassiv:

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » August 21, 2003, 5:49 pm

Here we go again, confusing the difference between simple and easy.

We watched you quit smoking, Kylere. It wasn't easy.

I've been down that road before. Calling it easy is insane.

It is simple, I'll give you that. Burn more calories than you consume. Don't light up. Simple, yes. Easy, no.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 21, 2003, 5:53 pm

Fallanthas, never said it was FUN, just that is was easy.

It was painful, annoying, fretful, has brought my weight loss to a screaming halt, and I really hated the way I felt. But it was easy, I stopped buying cigarettes, and refused to bum any and did it.

Hard is growing up enough to do it, easy is doing it.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » August 21, 2003, 6:01 pm

v. t.) Not causing, or attended with, pain or disquiet, or much exertion; affording ease or rest; as, an easy carriage; a ship having an easy motion; easy movements, as in dancing.
(v. t.) Not difficult; requiring little labor or effort; slight; inconsiderable; as, an easy task; an easy victory.

So youa re saying there was little effort required to quit smoking? Htat losing weight on any kind of permanent basis requires little effort?

Again, I think you mean simple, not easy.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » August 22, 2003, 2:06 am

Ask a doctor if smoking is healthy.
Ask a doctor if drinking a lot of alcohol is healthy.
Ask a doctor if doing drugs is healthy.

There are a lot of things that aren't healthy in the world.

What if I told you I don't smoke, I have never touched an unprescribed drug (I have to admit I have been ill before), and I haven't had a beer in 2 weeks?

What if I told you I lost 30 lbs in 6 months....and I really shouldn't lose any more because it probably would be a bad idea...

Kylere lost 100 and didn't even go to the gym. And he quit smoking which tends to put weight on.

The best way to stop smoking is not to start. Best way to not be fat is to watch what you eat. Why even bother with drugs...best way to escape reality is a bullet to the head.

Kylere is right, the majority of overweight people are overweight due to diet and lack of exercise. I know this....I have seen far too many people lose 100lbs in less then a year. Sure thier metabolism might be slower, but....it's not THAT much slower....and if it is...that means they require less food....so just fucking eat less. Jesus. It's like people expect restaurants to regulate thier food for them because they are too retarded to stop eating themselves to death.

I admit eating less can be hard at times...so is going to work...so is doing the dishes and laundry. Sometimes you have to get off your ass.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » August 22, 2003, 2:19 am

Pilsburry wrote:best way to escape reality is a bullet to the head.

Well since you seem to be living in some fucked up land of make believe, I vote that you take this option.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » August 22, 2003, 4:56 am

i hear larst has a thong with a giant penis on the front and he uses it to cheat during duels in nagafen's lair by exploiting halfling z-axis.

Tegellan · Post by **Tegellan** » August 22, 2003, 6:51 am

I hear Stragi wears G-strings to the FoH raids!

Drolgin Steingrinder · August 22, 2003, 8:38 am

Larst is so power.

I hear the halfling z-axis exploit is how Afterlife managed to kill the original Rathe Council, filthy cheaters.

I bet Larst showed them how to do it, too.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 22, 2003, 8:52 am

Pilsburry wrote:
Ask a doctor if smoking is healthy.
Ask a doctor if drinking a lot of alcohol is healthy.
Ask a doctor if doing drugs is healthy.

There are a lot of things that aren't healthy in the world.
What if I told you I don't smoke, I have never touched an unprescribed drug (I have to admit I have been ill before), and I haven't had a beer in 2 weeks?

What if I told you I lost 30 lbs in 6 months....and I really shouldn't lose any more because it probably would be a bad idea...

Kylere lost 100 and didn't even go to the gym. And he quit smoking which tends to put weight on.

The best way to stop smoking is not to start. Best way to not be fat is to watch what you eat. Why even bother with drugs...best way to escape reality is a bullet to the head.

Kylere is right, the majority of overweight people are overweight due to diet and lack of exercise. I know this....I have seen far too many people lose 100lbs in less then a year. Sure thier metabolism might be slower, but....it's not THAT much slower....and if it is...that means they require less food....so just fucking eat less. Jesus. It's like people expect restaurants to regulate thier food for them because they are too retarded to stop eating themselves to death.

I admit eating less can be hard at times...so is going to work...so is doing the dishes and laundry. Sometimes you have to get off your ass.

My wife eats a lot less than me, she never drinks, she works out longer and harder than me, and she has excersised more consistently than I for the last 3 years. I basically quit smoking and started running again. 12 pounds are gone in 4 weeks. It's not the same for everyone and it CAN be a big difference. I was an athelete growing up and was a Division 1 miler in college. My body remembers what it was like to be thin and it snaps right back. A lot of people just aren't like that at all.

My wife has more discipline than you in her fucking pinky. Just fucking die already. We're all just so fucking sick and tired of your presence here. Makes no fucking sense either. I've always enjoyed hunting w/ Pepto's company, meanwhile you're just this ridiculous anomaly of massive mental underdevelopment.

Sargeras · Post by **Sargeras** » August 22, 2003, 8:55 am

Are you an assling sir?

Lynxe · Post by **Lynxe** » August 22, 2003, 9:06 am

Pils, I disagree with you on this:

But I decided to only include the 2 most common reasons.

I put that exact question to 4 of my girlfriends that are all in nice shape we don't know when the thong peeks out. When you check yourself" in the mirror, you are usually standing up but when you sit the view is behind you, you can't "see" it. It is not intentional, but neither is it the end of the world. I know there are women who prefer to show them, but I firmly believe they are not the majority. What type of women are you hanging out with Pils!? *tease*

Kylere said

1 in a million can honestly ignore weight

The fact that my friend is overweight will not escape me. I don't "ignore" it, but it simply would not matter to our friendship (unless health is an issue). However this conversation is about relationships and they are based on communication, mental attraction and physical attraction. Saying you "ignore" something isn't true or fair and depending on the person, it could insult them (tell your 300lb GF she isn't fat and you deserve a smack). It could be true that something you find to be unattractive (weight, smoking, blondes, sense of humor), might not matter as much to another person OR they might actually find attractive.

Edit: Also, though some overweight people eat "too much", more often than not weight gain is a result of what you eat and not how much of it.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » August 22, 2003, 10:40 am

Hrm, what part of the country do you live in, Chidoro?

Gets a bit hard at times to find folks interested in hunting who can also tie their shoelaces without a manual.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 22, 2003, 10:56 am

First weight is an issue of what AND how much but in the end the real deal is calories in versus calories out.

Facts: 3500 Calories is a pound of fat period, no debate, this is factual. So if you want to lose a pound you need to burn 3500 calories more than you take in. So if you want to lose 10lbs then you need to burn 35000 calories more than you take in. Now your next question is, what do I use to find out what calories I want to take in for weight X?

The best formula I found was a simple one take the below as an example. I am 33, and want to be 210, so I found my maintenance for 210lbs

Base 66
+ 13.7 * weight in Kg 1307.727273
+ 5 x Height in Cm 939.8
- 6.8 x Age 224.4

BMR is 2089.127273

If you are sedentary (little or no exercise, desk job)
multiply BMR by 1.2 2507.0
If you are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/wk)
multiply BMR by 1.375 2872.6
If you are mod. active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/wk)
multiply BMR by 1.55 3238.1
If you take heavy exercise (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days/wk)
multiply BMR by 1.725 3603.7

Therefore for my fat ass to get to 210 I needed to reduce to somewhere between 2507 and 2872 calories a day and hold it until I got to my goal weight. Now this would have taken much longer because I would been about 1000 calories a day under maintaining my old weight, which means a pound every 3-4 days.

I wanted to lose weight FAST, and be able to hold it off. So I did some more research and discovered a few things.

1. You can live on 1000 calories a day
2. Green Tea Extract has enough science behind it now that One a Day is making Weight Smart pills that include it., it helps maintain your metabolism.

So I planned a 1000 calorie a day diet, with One a Day Weight Smart vitamins and additional Green Tea Extract intake. I added Echinaca to help maintain the cough and cold defense, and Vitamin C. After the first 3 weeks I added potassium because the muscle spasms from lack thereof.

This versus my old intake was basically 1700-2000 calories less a day, therefore a pound every other day. I held that intake for the first 90 days and went from 350 to 290. Then I picked up activity to the point of raising to my THR ( training heart rate) 2 times a week for 30 minutes, no gym time, just swimming walking etc you would be surprised as your fat ass looses weight you WANT to do more. And I added 400 calories to 1400 as a reward. Weight loss slowed and in the second 90 days I went from 290 to 260. I am now at 255, weight loss STOPPED when I quit smoking, but I am sure it will pick up again, and at least it has not caused a weight gain.

So since I actually got PM's asking, this is how you do it. I lost 100lbs in 6 months not a year. The real trick on I worked out the math?

I TOOK MY FAT ASS AWAY FROM THE MOTHERFUCKING FOOD AND STOPPED EATING LIKE A FUCKING COW

If you are fat, it is because (99% of the time to account for true medical conditions) you are breaking the above rule. So if you are fat and do not have a thyroid issue, then you are eating to much, and it is YOUR fault and the only person that can fix it is YOU.

Cannot call me heartless, cannot say I do not understand, cannot say it is special for someone. The fact is fat people EAT TO MUCH. What kind of clue does it take for some of you to get it, EAT LESS, WEIGH LESS.

There is no special trick or deal other than not wanting to be a fat fucking slob. Now I have people telling me there is no way in hell I can lose another 50lbs ( my true goal is 205) because I am not carrying that much fat on me. Perhaps they are right, but I am going to lose muscle mass if I need to, to get to that point, then I can add pure new muscle.

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » August 22, 2003, 11:48 am

Also, if you have hypothyrodism you can take medication to regulate your thyroid hormone levels. You have to take it every day for the rest of your life.
My point being even if you have a thyroid condition, you still don't have an "excuse" to be fat.
It's our horrendously poor eating habits, large portions and empty calories. And in some people bad genetics combined with the above.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 22, 2003, 11:58 am

Ky, that's all well and good, but the most important thing you are missing is how much activity it takes to reach one calorie of heat. Some people burn it sleeping. Some take running 3 times a week for 35 minutes, figure skating once per week for 120 minutes and in the gym 4 times a week (w/ a personal trainer one of those 4 times) for 60 minutes.

Ohh, and her intake hasn't been more than 1850 calories daily for as long as I've known her (and that's the high end). She's been measuring w/ cups and spoons and all kinds of plastic containers.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 22, 2003, 12:14 pm

Nah, fact is if your metabolism is slower than you need to eat less or exercise more. People adapt to slowing metabolism as they age all the time.

Period

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 22, 2003, 12:16 pm

and life is strawberries and cream

Lynxe · Post by **Lynxe** » August 22, 2003, 12:23 pm

I didn't say people who eat too much don't gain weight because of it, they do. Most people are overweight, NOT obese and my point is that for most people, what you eat is probably the bigger problem. Cutting out calories doesn't always mean you have to eat less, just better.

"So I planned a 1000 calorie a day diet"
Planning a diet is perfect. If you go from 5 healthy sandwiches a day to 3 happy meals you haven't done yourself any good *shrug*. People eat a lot of greasy take out and junk food while McDonald's and Burgerking are making huge money because of it. If less people pulled into McD's and more into Subway, or ate that peach instead of that candy bar, they'd be a lot healthier for it. Same amount of food, just different.

"STOPPED EATING LIKE A FUCKING COW"
True if they eat as much as a cow, but don't stop eating completely or your body starts packing away reserves!

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » August 22, 2003, 12:26 pm

I see so many fat people visibly eating more then they should and usually the wrong shit like snack foods, soda, fast food.

I've seen it so damn often I really stopped caring about thier feelings because they obviously either WANT to be fat, or are too stupid to understand much of anything.

I think the main causes are restaurants and soda.

Soda is sooo many calories the body was never meant to take in. We were meant to eat lots of things, but if look at nature there really wasn't much sitting around to drink except water.

And restaurants make portions of a certain size, designed to make us feel like we are getting a bargain but also designed so a guy 6'4" who works out can eat and be full...but then a tiny 5'4" girl who sits on her ass all day comes in and they give her the exact same size portion.

Why even produce a double quarter pounder? Why advertise super sizing? Because they don't care if we get fat folks. They know it's wrong. Now people think it's one meal....when it's really 2x the soda, 2x the fries and 2x the burger....how many people do you kow who would sit down and order 2 fucking meals? Not many, and if they did, they would have to know why they are fat.....but they angle it as a single meal...and you buy it.

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » August 22, 2003, 12:33 pm

I feel your wife's pain.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 22, 2003, 12:41 pm

Thanks Sir, but she's happy w/ herself (as well she should be, she's a knockout). I think it annoys me more as there is an obvious difference in the way we burn fat, but some folks think that it's because they are being lazy. I've seen more skinny people eat poorly that fat.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » August 22, 2003, 1:04 pm

Pilsburry wrote:Why even produce a double quarter pounder? Why advertise super sizing? Because they don't care if we get fat folks. They know it's wrong. Now people think it's one meal....when it's really 2x the soda, 2x the fries and 2x the burger....how many people do you kow who would sit down and order 2 fucking meals? Not many, and if they did, they would have to know why they are fat.....but they angle it as a single meal...and you buy it.

This is probably the best post you have made to this board ever. It actually made me sit and think about it for a few minutes.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 22, 2003, 1:06 pm

Be annoyed Chidoro, nothing I can do about the fact that you are too emotionally close to deal with the reality of the issue. I feel for your wife because she faces, you do not face it, but I feel for how it affects her because society treats heavy people like shit.

My metabolism is horribly slow, if I think too much about food I gain weight, I could eat rice cakes and water and gain weight. BUT the upside to the slow as hell burning of calories that my body does, I CAN EAT LESS!!!! and get by.

I m more efficient than all the skinny bastards eating all the time, they are a genetic failure requiring more calories than I do to survive. In times of trouble, my 6'3 frame that can gain fat and muscle mass on 2k calories a day while working out will be the survivor, while their thin becomes emaciated and they fall by the wayside. Being built like a marathon runner is not the best survival skill.

No one chooses to BE fat, they choose to STAY fat!

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 22, 2003, 1:09 pm

Lynxe wrote:I didn't say people who eat too much don't gain weight because of it, they do. Most people are overweight, NOT obese and my point is that for most people, what you eat is probably the bigger problem. Cutting out calories doesn't always mean you have to eat less, just better.

"So I planned a 1000 calorie a day diet"
Planning a diet is perfect. If you go from 5 healthy sandwiches a day to 3 happy meals you haven't done yourself any good *shrug*. People eat a lot of greasy take out and junk food while McDonald's and Burgerking are making huge money because of it. If less people pulled into McD's and more into Subway, or ate that peach instead of that candy bar, they'd be a lot healthier for it. Same amount of food, just different.

"STOPPED EATING LIKE A FUCKING COW"
True if they eat as much as a cow, but don't stop eating completely or your body starts packing away reserves!

All true, but if you stop eating a lot your body does fight the loss, but guess what if you do it long enough it reverses that call and HAS to starty burning the fat.

BTW Subway does own, as my link earlier points out fiber causes you to gain less fat from what you eat, bread is fiber. GOOD Subway, just stay away from all the toppings and shiznat.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » August 22, 2003, 3:58 pm

Why even produce a double quarter pounder? Why advertise super sizing? Because they don't care if we get fat folks. They know it's wrong. Now people think it's one meal....when it's really 2x the soda, 2x the fries and 2x the burger....how many people do you kow who would sit down and order 2 fucking meals? Not many, and if they did, they would have to know why they are fat.....but they angle it as a single meal...and you buy it.

/raise

There you go making assumptions again....

Ennia · Post by **Ennia** » August 22, 2003, 4:09 pm

portion sizes are a problem, but if you cut your portions in half or so after years of stretching your stomach, you'll most likely feel unsatisfied after a meal. I know I did when I tried. And I'm having a hard time convincing hubby to eat less but more often.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 22, 2003, 4:39 pm

Your stomach shrinks on its own without some lame stapling. It sucks when you first stop eating like a pig, but you adjust.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » August 25, 2003, 1:18 am

guys, for Pils the world is all strippers and gross fat girls and girls who like to be treated like shit. No point tryin' to argue with him.

And Lali, shame on you!

Actually that pic was intentional, an homage to the legendary thong girl of the Seattle and SF Fan Faires (Hayley knows what I'm talking about...). I wear low-rise panties with low-rise jeans so they never peek on accident. I think its tacky as hell, no matter the body.

Jivundus · Post by **Jivundus** » August 25, 2003, 2:21 am

All I have to say about Kylere is there is nothing worse than a reformed whore. Same thing goes for a fat person turned thin.

She obviously had issues when she was fat and she has issues now. I've been 120lbs and 330lbs. I was the same person no matter how much weight I lost or gained. I was happy, well adjusted and confident. Because of that confidence men found me attractive and sexy at any weight. I never had a problem with getting any guy, or job, or friend that I wanted.

As for the "Just stop eating like a fucking cow" comment. You are full of shit. I have been on every diet known to man and all it did was make me gain more weight.

You're comment about only 1% of the fat ppl out there having a medical problem is wrong. It's a nice statistic to quote though. It makes you feel better about yourself to look at a fat person and think "They are just fucking cows that eat too much and they are fuckin lazy slobs" Just because the scientists and doctors don't know what is wrong with the person or doesn't find anything wrong with them from their limited research and education, doesn't mean there isn't a problem!

I was very active, I ate around 1000 calories a day and still I gained weight. My doctors of course were absolutely amazed at how healthy I was because I was so overweight but they couldn't figure out why I wasn't losing weight with the diets, pills, exercise regimes, etc. Their answer of course was to eat less.

It wasn't until I found a doctor here in Reno that told me flat out that I was dieting myself FAT that I realized what was happening. Because of the diets and pills and over exercising that I did, I had caused damage to my internal organs causing them not to work properly, which was causing me not to lose weight. Yes you can starve yourself thin and become extremely unhealthy, but some ppl's genetic make up is different than yours. Some ppl can starve themselves fat.

This last March I had a surgery performed on me that has fixed my problem and I have been quickly returning to my old weight of 120lbs. Since March I have lost 120lbs because now that my body is working properly it is getting rid of the excess weight I put on at a rapid speed. (I am completely healthy again and have no issues with gaining weight) But you ask any of the literally 100's of doctors that I went to before my current doctor and they will tell you my only problem was that I needed to cut down eating and exercise more.

I NEVER had a problem with my self-esteem because I was what you call grossly fat. I was VERY happy with myself and my abilities and so was/is my husband. He's never seen me at 120lbs so this is something new for him, but it doesn't make any difference to him whether I'm at 330lbs or 120lbs because he loves ME, not whatever image of some perfect model he's concocted in his head of what some skinny ass little tart from a fashion magazine thinks all women should look like.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 25, 2003, 9:58 am

Jivundus wrote:All I have to say about Kylere is there is nothing worse than a reformed whore. Same thing goes for a fat person turned thin.

She obviously had issues when she was fat and she has issues now. I've been 120lbs and 330lbs. I was the same person no matter how much weight I lost or gained. I was happy, well adjusted and confident. Because of that confidence men found me attractive and sexy at any weight. I never had a problem with getting any guy, or job, or friend that I wanted.

As for the "Just stop eating like a fucking cow" comment. You are full of shit. I have been on every diet known to man and all it did was make me gain more weight.

You're comment about only 1% of the fat ppl out there having a medical problem is wrong. It's a nice statistic to quote though. It makes you feel better about yourself to look at a fat person and think "They are just fucking cows that eat too much and they are fuckin lazy slobs" Just because the scientists and doctors don't know what is wrong with the person or doesn't find anything wrong with them from their limited research and education, doesn't mean there isn't a problem!

I was very active, I ate around 1000 calories a day and still I gained weight. My doctors of course were absolutely amazed at how healthy I was because I was so overweight but they couldn't figure out why I wasn't losing weight with the diets, pills, exercise regimes, etc. Their answer of course was to eat less.

It wasn't until I found a doctor here in Reno that told me flat out that I was dieting myself FAT that I realized what was happening. Because of the diets and pills and over exercising that I did, I had caused damage to my internal organs causing them not to work properly, which was causing me not to lose weight. Yes you can starve yourself thin and become extremely unhealthy, but some ppl's genetic make up is different than yours. Some ppl can starve themselves fat.

This last March I had a surgery performed on me that has fixed my problem and I have been quickly returning to my old weight of 120lbs. Since March I have lost 120lbs because now that my body is working properly it is getting rid of the excess weight I put on at a rapid speed. (I am completely healthy again and have no issues with gaining weight) But you ask any of the literally 100's of doctors that I went to before my current doctor and they will tell you my only problem was that I needed to cut down eating and exercise more.

I NEVER had a problem with my self-esteem because I was what you call grossly fat. I was VERY happy with myself and my abilities and so was/is my husband. He's never seen me at 120lbs so this is something new for him, but it doesn't make any difference to him whether I'm at 330lbs or 120lbs because he loves ME, not whatever image of some perfect model he's concocted in his head of what some skinny ass little tart from a fashion magazine thinks all women should look like.

So what you are saying is that your dumb ass was such a fucking cow and unable to push yourself away from the table that you drove yourself into a medical failure? And this makes me wrong how? If you had pushed your fat ass away from the table rather than try a million fad diets and pills you would have been fine. That is not a medical condition, you are entirely right, it was a MENTAL condition that made you do that, and it sounds like a serious one. You did not repudiate a single fact, you just Moooooo0'd on about how happy and fat you have always been as happy as you were while thin. Okay but you already admitted to driving yourself sick with abnomal eating habits, so I am supposed to believe your happiness is a positive and good thing?

Next thing you are wrong on, I am male not female, and my only issue with being fat was how sick it makes me that I got that way, and how pathetic it is to be that way and stay that way. EAT LESS WEIGH LESS, not rocket science here.

I am glad you had someone happy with your fatness, there is someone for everyone, and I am sure he had his reasons for not being bothered by your weight. I personally feel that knowing how most men feel, he had no good positive reasons for enjoying an overly large woman. Of course maybe he and Chidoro went to grade school together in a town called perfect.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 25, 2003, 10:13 am

Seriously, did you miss your normal train stop at town Iamgeniusofme and got off at Toostupidforwords instead?

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » August 25, 2003, 10:22 am

kyoukan wrote:
Kylere wrote:I lived those statistics as a fat person. Ignoring weight means seeing past the outside to the person on the inside. And I never said a woman could not feel sexy, they just do not when they are cows, society molds people who are fat to hate themselves with every move.

No need to make up bullshit, either you are a rare SOB or you are lying to yourself and us.
People don't point and laugh at you because you are fat.

Well it might be one of the reasons.

Heh this from a fucking midget. Couple of problems with you wearing a g string or thong.

1. They don't sell them in the junior miss department
2. If you go for a regular size, hanging out above your belt line is not the issue. More likely you have to sling the leg holes over your shoulders.

Cheers