Women and Underwear

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 20, 2003, 12:28 pm

Coatlicue [KoE] wrote:A heavyset man or woman can feel sexy, even if no one thinks or sees them that way. A sign of a confident man/woman is one that can see past that and not let their weight affect how they seem themselves.

Having a positive self-image is a good thing. Having a completely unrealistic self-image is something else.

I had flown into TIA (when Tampa was home) and I saw this girl with a HUGE gut wearing a cut-off baby-doll shirt. Her belly was so fat, it had cellulite. It was so disgusting that I shuddered and felt a little nauseous. The funny part is that she saw that and started trying to pull the micro shirt down.

My point is that just because J Lo/Avril/<insert female icon here> looks good in it does NOT mean that YOU will too.

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » August 20, 2003, 12:42 pm

I'm not a huge fan of the undies peeking out. I don't mind a little, but when you can see the panties 4" over the top of the jeans, then either your jeans are too low or you're a ho! (woo that rhymed!)

However - I'd rather see panties than see ass crack. Few weekends ago I saw this girl in a bar with at least 2 or more INCHES of ass crack showing as she sat. I'm sure some of you guys probably find that "sexy" - but I think it's retarded looking.

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » August 20, 2003, 1:25 pm

I'm not talking about girls with a little chunkiness to them. I'm talking about really really fat girls. There is a difference.

I've asked girls out who were a good 30 lbs over weight before etc....it's not my preference but you can see past it.

Here is my idea of really really fat....if you can pick up a fat roll and stick a can of chili in there and let the fat roll back down and it doesn't fall out and you can't see it anymore, they are really really fat.

Really really fat girls have a right to feel sexy, but I have rights too. Just like smokers have the right to kill themselves with cigarettes, but I have a right to breathe clean air. Thier smoking infringes on my rights to clean air.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » August 20, 2003, 2:02 pm

So an overwieght woman his somehow infringing on your rights Pilsbury?
I don't seem to remeber seeing "The right to not see fat broads exposing themselves" in the bill of rights.
Exactly which amendment is that?
Hopefully you realize the right to bear arms is talking about weapons and not shirts with no sleeves.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 20, 2003, 2:12 pm

Ah...the good'ol days!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 20, 2003, 2:17 pm

Winnow wrote:Ah...the good'ol days!

Those knee-socks are sexah!

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » August 20, 2003, 2:25 pm

Son. You got a panty on your head.

Drive!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 20, 2003, 2:31 pm

-these balloons blow up in funny shapes?

-not unless round is funny

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » August 20, 2003, 2:35 pm

Lets save us some time Vornowe ...

http://www.coenbrothers.net/raisescript.html

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 20, 2003, 2:50 pm

Pilsburry wrote:I've asked girls out who were a good 30 lbs over weight before etc....it's not my preference but you can see past it.

Wow, that's really magnanimous of you.

Really really fat girls have a right to feel sexy, but I have rights too. Just like smokers have the right to kill themselves with cigarettes, but I have a right to breathe clean air. Thier smoking infringes on my rights to clean air.

What the fuck does second hand smoke effecting non-smokers have anything to do with a person standing near you and you finding them unattractive?

You're fucking ridiculous.

Coatlicue [KoE] wrote:A heavyset man or woman can feel sexy, even if no one thinks or sees them that way. A sign of a confident man/woman is one that can see past that and not let their weight affect how they seem themselves.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 20, 2003, 2:56 pm

You know all the cheerleading about how fat people can overcome it with confidence, charm etc is bullshit.

Thin people treat fat people like shit and only one in one million can see anything other than a fat person. Of course 900k of them will insist they do not see the weight, they see the person, but they are lying.

I was obese, and I can testify that all you trying to act sympathic are not thin and dating nice 300lbs plus people. If any of you are thin and dating someone like that you are doing it because you got messed up in the head playing the relationship game and want someone that would never leave you.

Fat people are unhappy about being fat, fat people are treated like shit by 99.999% of humanity and the only people that do not realize this are delusional thin people.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » August 20, 2003, 3:07 pm

Kylere wrote:You know all the cheerleading about how fat people can overcome it with confidence, charm etc is bullshit.

Thin people treat fat people like shit and only one in one million can see anything other than a fat person. Of course 900k of them will insist they do not see the weight, they see the person, but they are lying.

I was obese, and I can testify that all you trying to act sympathic are not thin and dating nice 300lbs plus people. If any of you are thin and dating someone like that you are doing it because you got messed up in the head playing the relationship game and want someone that would never leave you.

Fat people are unhappy about being fat, fat people are treated like shit by 99.999% of humanity and the only people that do not realize this are delusional thin people.

I wouldn't necessarily say fat people are treated like shit. More like looked down upon by societies mind. I like thin women and only like thin women. I need a physical relationship besides an emotional one. I don't treat fat people unfairly, they are free to do what they want, just not with me. Call me shallow or whatever, just the way it is for me.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » August 20, 2003, 3:16 pm

a thong is a pair of panties without fabric to cover your ass. instead there's a thin strip (inch or so wide) that goes - wtf you know where it goes.

a g-string is pretty much that, a string. you'll have a triangular piece of fabric to cover your front and a bit underneath, then a smaller triangular piece in the back. the piece that goes up the back and the piece that goes around your waist is going to be very, very thin. maybe the width of a seam on a regular pair of panties.

i'm borderline obsessive about making sure my underwear doesn't show. if i'm wearing low ride pants i'll seriously try to coordinate colors just in case something peeks out. to me, it's in the same ballpark as showing pantylines. >< if some guys think it's sexy, that's great. and if some girls want to flaunt it, that's great, too. but personally i'm embarassed to half my underpants hanging out there for the world to see. *shrug*

a_guide · Post by **a_guide** » August 20, 2003, 3:30 pm

This is a thong (courtesy of Victoria Secret NWS

)Thong Here!

This is a G-String (or V-string as VS calls it, also NWS) G-String Here!

As you can see there is a lot less coverage with the string-y one, but it also sits significantly lower on the hips. Hope that clears things up.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 20, 2003, 3:41 pm

Kylere wrote:You know all the cheerleading about how fat people can overcome it with confidence, charm etc is bullshit.

Thin people treat fat people like shit and only one in one million can see anything other than a fat person. Of course 900k of them will insist they do not see the weight, they see the person, but they are lying.

I was obese, and I can testify that all you trying to act sympathic are not thin and dating nice 300lbs plus people. If any of you are thin and dating someone like that you are doing it because you got messed up in the head playing the relationship game and want someone that would never leave you.

Fat people are unhappy about being fat, fat people are treated like shit by 99.999% of humanity and the only people that do not realize this are delusional thin people.

Sorry chief, but you are stereotyping. I've had all kinds of women and the ones who were overweight were still happy about themselves. The ones I was with were happy about themselves because they couldn't give a flying fuck what someone else thought of them.

Guru, you'd be surprised what you end up falling for when you find the right person. Sometimes it's exactly what you think you want physically, sometimes it's not. When it's right, it will be physical as well as mental, it just might not be a visual replica you thought you wanted physically

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » August 20, 2003, 3:46 pm

Chidoro wrote: Guru, you'd be surprised what you end up falling for when you find the right person. Sometimes it's exactly what you think you want physically, sometimes it's not. When it's right, it will be physical as well as mental, it just might not be a visual replica you thought you wanted physically

Chid-you know me and my family thru EQ discussion. I am going thru a divorce and I thought the same thing. I said to myself I don't care what she is like as long as she treats my kids right. Well now that I'm back playing the field again, its still thin, thin, thin. I still think my wife is the most beautiful looking person I know and I think that was the downfall. I got caught up marrying for looks, and unfortunately it seems it would happen again. But I do know what your saying.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » August 20, 2003, 3:47 pm

Chidoro wrote: Guru, you'd be surprised what you end up falling for when you find the right person. Sometimes it's exactly what you think you want physically, sometimes it's not. When it's right, it will be physical as well as mental, it just might not be a visual replica you thought you wanted physically

Chid-you know me and my family thru EQ discussion. I am going thru a divorce and I thought the same thing. I said to myself I don't care what she is like as long as she treats my kids right. Well now that I'm back playing the field again, its still thin, thin, thin. I still think my wife is the most beautiful looking person I know and I think that was the downfall. I got caught up marrying for looks, and unfortunately it seems it would happen again. But I do know what your saying. Much love for ya, don't go changin.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 20, 2003, 3:53 pm

Chidoro, you can say that all you want, not a single one of them were happy being fat, and if you only dated fat ones..

If you dated some fat ones, let me point out that 10lbs over does not count.

Fat people are not happy without drugs

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 20, 2003, 4:03 pm

I hear you. I may be the schmuck here, I've only dated my wife for four years and been married for one. What the hell do I know about being married yet, it's still the freakin honeymoon for us really.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 20, 2003, 4:05 pm

Chidoro, Sorry to jump you, but having been fat puts me close to the issue. Fat is never happy, happy fat is a cover.

All marriages are new for the first 3-5 years heh

, and the marriage starts the clock over from any prior living together or dating.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 20, 2003, 4:12 pm

I've dated women of different heights/colors/weights/athleticisms/education levels/inhibitions/etc
The only thing they had in common was that they were happy with themselves and it came across. My life is too short to have to worry about fixing a mental issue and it's really the only criteria I've ever used when looking for a woman.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 20, 2003, 4:14 pm

Chidoro, if that is true welcome to a club inhabited by about 300 Americans, now that we know this, your view on the issue is proven invalid. Glad to see you are one of the one in a million.

Now statistically that means anyone else claiming the same on VV is full of shit, because I KNOW not more than 1 in a million can honestly ignore weight

a_guide · Post by **a_guide** » August 20, 2003, 4:31 pm

Wow, the bitterness in these last few posts is crazy.

I think that happiness is possible while being heavy/chunky/fat/well-padded whatever. Two of the happiest, funniest people I know are also very overweight and not on any drugs for it. They are crack-ups, old school SNL type funny. In fact the woman in this couple is my absolute role-model... Happy, pleasant, smart, funny, sincere, patient, and everything I try to be. The fat isnt what makes her the awesome person she is... Neither does it make her less of a fantastic lady. And I know that her and her hubby are still very pleased with their sex life (They have been married for 23 years). He wants her, she wants him and they are happy. I know I'd take that, a certain knowledge of love, faith trust ect. over rock hard abs anyday.

Don't project your misery on the world. There are lots of skinny people that arent happy out there too.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 20, 2003, 4:33 pm

Where did you get these statistics from? What does "ignoring weight" mean exactly? How does that change a women feeling sexy about herself just because you disagree?

Now I know these are going to be difficult to answer because you won't be able to do it w/out making up a bunch of bullshit, but hey, humor me

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 20, 2003, 4:35 pm

Chidoro wrote:Where did you get these statistics from? What does "ignoring weight" mean exactly? How does that change a women feeling sexy about herself just because you disagree?

Now I know these are going to be difficult to answer because you won't be able to do it w/out making up a bunch of bullshit, but hey, humor me

I lived those statistics as a fat person. Ignoring weight means seeing past the outside to the person on the inside. And I never said a woman could not feel sexy, they just do not when they are cows, society molds people who are fat to hate themselves with every move.

No need to make up bullshit, either you are a rare SOB or you are lying to yourself and us.

a_guide · Post by **a_guide** » August 20, 2003, 4:40 pm

Is it possible that these are issues you are bringing to the table.
I know I'm not the skinniest girl around but that has not adversely affected my ability to have loving relationships with people who wanted me mind, soul and body. Most people I know who have found or are looking for a soulmate want more than just a hot body... It's all about the person as a whole.

In other words I don't think it's all that rare.

Lexien · Post by **Lexien** » August 20, 2003, 4:43 pm

And that "whole" you seem to refer to includes physical appearance?

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » August 20, 2003, 4:45 pm

/shrug

Been married to a large woman for sixteen years now. Other than worrying about it's effect on her health, weight doesn't mean anything in our relationship.

I don't know if your figure is accurate or not, Kylere.

a_guide · Post by **a_guide** » August 20, 2003, 4:46 pm

Lexien wrote:And that "whole" you seem to refer to includes physical appearance?

It does, he's saying people look past a bodytype and I am saying I have never had too. It's not the first thing I look for, everyone gets a fair chance to have worth in my eyes and most of my friends are the same way. I do have a few superficial friends, but *they* are the rare ones in my experiences.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 20, 2003, 4:48 pm

You all jump on Pils for being superficial, he is merely a lot more honest about it than most people are, this is a truth.

a_guide · Post by **a_guide** » August 20, 2003, 4:51 pm

Kylere wrote:You all jump on Pils for being superficial, he is merely a lot more honest about it than most people are, this is a truth.

Yes he is honest about *his* superficiality, whether that is intentional or not is a whole other debate.

IT DOES NOT MEAN EVERYONE IS SUPERFICIAL

Ennia · Post by **Ennia** » August 20, 2003, 4:52 pm

large people usually are more prone to self esteem issues, because of the stereotypes in our society, but I also know a couple of them who are happy as they are. What I would be more concerned with is the impact that the weight has on health and every day well being, than what others might think.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 20, 2003, 4:56 pm

a_guide wrote:
Kylere wrote:You all jump on Pils for being superficial, he is merely a lot more honest about it than most people are, this is a truth.
Yes he is honest about *his* superficiality, whether that is intentional or not is a whole other debate.

IT DOES NOT MEAN EVERYONE IS SUPERFICIAL

Yeah yeah, everyone escapes all societal programming and ignores appearance..NOT

Those who are not superficial are the EXCEPTION

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 20, 2003, 4:56 pm

Actually, it's because he's being overly superficial.

I've always been honest w/ myself. I certainly don't need someone who was upset about a weight problem to tell me that everyone that has a weight problem is upset.

Outside of the health issue, a lot of people can shrug off marketing machines and still feel good about themselves.

You could say the exact same thing about age. Some people get upset about getting older while others don't really mind at all.

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » August 20, 2003, 5:00 pm

Kylere wrote:You all jump on Pils for being superficial, he is merely a lot more honest about it than most people are, this is a truth.

There is a difference between the average person's superficiality and Pils'...

Average person: "I am not attracted to heavy people"

Pils: "Really really fat girls have a right to feel sexy, but I have rights too. Just like smokers have the right to kill themselves with cigarettes, but I have a right to breathe clean air. Thier smoking infringes on my rights to clean air"

Though I am curious - what rights of yours are abused when a heavy person dresses in a way you do not deem befitting of their weight?

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » August 20, 2003, 5:05 pm

Kylere wrote:You all jump on Pils for being superficial, he is merely a lot more honest about it than most people are, this is a truth.

I didn't jump on Pils for being superficial, and no where did I say I was holier than thou in regards to judging people based on looks. I jumped on Pils for being his normal pompous jackass self.

I couldn't give two shits if he likes, sleeps, or even looks at an overweight person. However, his normal attitude shows through when he posts that an overweight person wearing a given outfit somehow infringes on his rights as a human being.

a_guide · Post by **a_guide** » August 20, 2003, 6:15 pm

Kylere wrote:
a_guide wrote:
Kylere wrote:You all jump on Pils for being superficial, he is merely a lot more honest about it than most people are, this is a truth.
Yes he is honest about *his* superficiality, whether that is intentional or not is a whole other debate.

IT DOES NOT MEAN EVERYONE IS SUPERFICIAL
Yeah yeah, everyone escapes all societal programming and ignores appearance..NOT

Those who are not superficial are the EXCEPTION

You need to get new friends

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 20, 2003, 6:24 pm

Kylere wrote:I lived those statistics as a fat person. Ignoring weight means seeing past the outside to the person on the inside. And I never said a woman could not feel sexy, they just do not when they are cows, society molds people who are fat to hate themselves with every move.

No need to make up bullshit, either you are a rare SOB or you are lying to yourself and us.

People don't point and laugh at you because you are fat.

Well it might be one of the reasons.

Tegellan · Post by **Tegellan** » August 20, 2003, 7:05 pm

Gotta learn something new every day, and those are some nice illustrative pics for sure

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Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 20, 2003, 11:49 pm

The girls where I live can't show enough of their thong 'covered' asses.

Which has good and bad points I suppose, most of them are pasty assed munters with no teeth.....however, when the fine woman appear in thongs, all is well in the land of bloke.

Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » August 21, 2003, 1:35 am

and people just pity you Kyoukan...

You are by far the biggest asshole on these boards. You bust on Cartalas for ruining threads and then you come in with your shortbus fucktard comments. I, like many others on these boards love the way Cartalas can get you all fucked up and in a RAGE OF CAPITOL LETTERS so easily.

BTW back to the topic I like T-Backs, Thongs or G-Strings on women that are not over weight.

Wonko Wenusberg · Post by **Wonko Wenusberg** » August 21, 2003, 1:59 am

Basic biology!
Sometimes people need to look at animals to understand themself.
Underneath all the makeup and thongs, or muscles it leads to one purpose - to find a partner!
If I was a cow, and it was mating-season I would go for the best female that I could get!
We all probably do that. Try to find the one that is best for us, and how we look doesn't matter. It's about genes.

Izna Marcos · Post by **Izna Marcos** » August 21, 2003, 2:00 am

I believe the difference of the Thong/ G-string has been dealt with, but also,as a side note. I have a pair of Low riding jeans that i can't even wear low ride thongs with. So becuz i'm so obessissive bout it not showing, i dont wear any,but when i first got them,i prolly did, and showed,not even realizing it. I dont think it's tacky to do it, just think it's not my personal choice. If the jeans are higher, it's no longer an issue.Sometimes when you opt for cute, over comfy, you have to make those kind of choices.

Also, guys wear jeans and such with their underwear hanging out, and we as women are suppose to think it's sexy. Like seeing the big elastic waist band spelling out JOE BOXER, or whatever makes us all hot, and bothered.I've always wondered why men do that...I mean do you not own belts?Or just really think your boxers are that sexy?

It's defintely situational, if you're a stripper , or going clubbing and wearing something showy, and it shows your underwear, so be it. But doing it at church isn't right.

And my friend recently went to a beach in NC, told me bout all these women that were overwieght, but walking around in thongs. More power to them, if they wanna flaunt it ,and they got more cushion for the pushing, have at it.

Gumurok · Post by **Gumurok** » August 21, 2003, 2:05 am

g-strings and thongs are sexy, nuff said

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » August 21, 2003, 11:03 am

I know overweight people who are truly happy. Happier then the majority of thin people for sure.

But I know they are not happy with thier weight.

Still that's not the point, I think you guys are confusing overweight with fat. When I say fat I mean really fat. Overweight covers people who are chunky. Fat covers people WELL beyond the chunky phase.

As for what rights of mine are being violated?
The right to eat my meal. I'm not wearing bike shorts and shoving my dick bulge in thier face am I? No, because that would make them uncomfortable and they have rights.

Same goes for someone who comes to a restaurant smelling horribly of Body odor and dirt all over him....if your like that, find someplace with a drive-thru. When I'm all sweaty from the gym I either go home and shower first or I do the drive-thru.

You see unlike a fat person in a thong.....I understand I am not the only person in the universe.

As for me being superficial, beleive it or not I am somewhere around average in my superficiality, maybe even below average. I'll ask a chunky girl out, I don't care if she has name brand clothes or if she comes from money. A lot of guys won't even do that....if they do they consider it settling, or a one-night stand.

The difference between me and the majority of guys (and girls) is I'm 100% honest in an anyomous web forum, because there is no fucking reason to lie. I'm not trying to cyber chicks here. IRL I'm very honest as well, although I would be more likely to tell a little white lie to save someones feelings, like "do you like my new haircut?" actually I'd maybe still tell the truth....but I would temper it and say "It's a nice change, but I liked the old style better" because the lies almost always hurt, you wouldn't want your friend in an inferior haircut because you lied, but you wouldn't want to hurt thier feelings either.

I do like the fact that whenever this subject comes up I can get a good idea of who is honest and who is not.

You guys spouting off that you can see past fat people are as much or more of a victim of socieital peer pressure as I am. Because your only saying that because that's what you've been told to say, but in the back of your head you know your lying (well most are, a few probably are not).

Back to happy fat people, truly fat people....not overweight/chunky....they have joint problems, risk of heart attack, they are always hot and sweaty...and they still don't find other fat people hot. Typical things I do on a day to day basis require so much more effort from someone 100+ lbs overweight. Like taking a flight of stairs will make them winded. Some of them are so god damn fat they have to use wheelchairs int he grocery store because walking is just too hard. When you are that fat, I find it hard to beleive you are truly happy.

And that's the type of fat I'm talking about. 100+ lbs over starts to not only look really bad where you shouldn't be showing your ass/panties in public...but it has other issues as well that makes them unhappy with themselves.

Gurugurumaki · Post by **Gurugurumaki** » August 21, 2003, 11:23 am

Pilsburry wrote: You guys spouting off that you can see past fat people are as much or more of a victim of socieital peer pressure as I am. Because your only saying that because that's what you've been told to say, but in the back of your head you know your lying (well most are, a few probably are not).

Back to happy fat people, truly fat people....not overweight/chunky....they have joint problems, risk of heart attack, they are always hot and sweaty...and they still don't find other fat people hot.

First para I would be inclined to say 99.99% care about the weight of their partner. If I was overweight or fat, I would still only go out with thin women or hire a hooker.

The second para is not entirely true. Just because they are a health hazard and have trouble going from point A to point B doesn't mean they aren't happy. Just an assumption though eh~

Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » August 21, 2003, 3:10 pm

Ok let me re-phrase...

Being at the extreme end of almost any scale has a good share of problems that come with it.

Get yourself out of the extreme and some of those problems go away....the problems go away you should theoretically be a little happier.

Were talking about extremey heavy people getting less joint pain, not as sweaty etc...it should make them happier.

Like a poor street kid in a 3rd world country..he might be happy. But if you kept everything else constant and gave him a shitty appt, basic food, etc...he would be happier just because the pain of being poor would be lessened.

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » August 21, 2003, 3:36 pm

Wonko Wenusberg wrote:Basic biology!
If I was a cow, and it was mating-season I would go for the best female that I could get!

It's ok for "mating" but what about the next 30 years of conver over buttery toast at the breakfast table?

Lexien · Post by **Lexien** » August 21, 2003, 3:43 pm

Pils is talking about EYE POLLUTION!

I had a big post written up about the fat people issue and i just left in a hurry even forgot to log off the phone last nite.

So here again.

Someone tell me how can a fat person be ok with being fat when hardwork and perseverance can actually help them lose the weight?

Kylere is a good example of someone stepping up and realizing that something is wrong and doing something about it.

Let's face it fat people are NOT HEALTHY. When i see a fat person i almost feel like that person has no respect for his/her body.

It works both ways also, being too skinny is not healthy either.

So if you are fat and you are ok with that something is terribly wrong with you.

edit: I took out the words : "little bit of" so fallanthas would stop trolling.
But having a well balanced diet and working out 3 days a week 1 hour a session is not THAT hard anyways.