Let the games begin.....

[Mort]

Fucking mudslinging...... such bullshit. All this shit about Arnold's father being a Nazi, but what about Arianna Puffingtongue? For instance....

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=& ... rianna+tax

All those articles writting by this fucking hypocrit, when she payed LESS THAN $800.00 in the last 2 years in federal income tax. WTF. I pay that every check almost.

Will you read this anywhere about Arianna? I doubt it.... she's one of them. I am frustrated already. Must take prozac.......

[Ramius]

Arnold has been pretty up front about his father from the very begining. He even had The Wiesenthal Center look for more information on his father since he didn't know to much about him. Yes his father was a member of the Nazi party. The man has been a strong supporter of the Jews for years now even before the facts about his father came out. Who cares what his father did, it is Arnold that is running not his father.

[Pherr the Dorf]

Arnold also didn't vote in 5 of the past 8 elections, including 2 chances to vote for the Bush's, sorry any shred of credibility is gone

[Ramius]

Arnold also didn't vote in 5 of the past 8 elections, including 2 chances to vote for the Bush's, sorry any shred of credibility is gone

You think thats really going to stop pople from voting for him? Did it stop people from voting for Jessie Ventura in Minn? No it didn't, so what makes tou think there is going to be a difference in Cali?

[Pherr the Dorf]

Arnold also didn't vote in 5 of the past 8 elections, including 2 chances to vote for the Bush's, sorry any shred of credibility is gone

You think thats really going to stop pople from voting for him? Did it stop people from voting for Jessie Ventura in Minn? No it didn't, so what makes tou think there is going to be a difference in Cali?

Will people vote for him? sure they will, does that make it right to vote for some idiot that didn't vote himself in important elections, no it doesn't. And Jesse did so well didn't he...

[Deward]

Look at the choices for who to vote for. My opinion just went up if he didn't vote for the crooks currently in office. Bitchington is just pissed because she has no chance of winning so she is playing the dirty little politics and trying to ruin whoever she can. I pay more taxes every month than she did and she has a $1 million dollar house. She is trying to say Arnold is beholden to special interests as well. WTF are you stupid? He is rich enough that he doesn't have to be beholden to Special interest groups. Hell Warren Buffett (2nd richest guy in the world for you dumbasses) has agreed to work for him for FREE!!

Deward

[kyoukan]

Why would Huffington pay income taxes if she lost more than she made in the last two years?

[Pherr the Dorf]

Look at the choices for who to vote for. My opinion just went up if he didn't vote for the crooks currently in office. Bitchington is just pissed because she has no chance of winning so she is playing the dirty little politics and trying to ruin whoever she can. I pay more taxes every month than she did and she has a $1 million dollar house. She is trying to say Arnold is beholden to special interests as well. WTF are you stupid? He is rich enough that he doesn't have to be beholden to Special interest groups. Hell Warren Buffett (2nd richest guy in the world for you dumbasses) has agreed to work for him for FREE!!

Deward

Now THAT is funny, he's rich so he isn't beholden to special interests.... both sides of the aisle are full of rich fuckers VERY beholden to special interests. Please take the gum out of your mouth before you try to walk away

[Acies]

Arnold also didn't vote in 5 of the past 8 elections, including 2 chances to vote for the Bush's, sorry any shred of credibility is gone

You think thats really going to stop pople from voting for him? Did it stop people from voting for Jessie Ventura in Minn? No it didn't, so what makes tou think there is going to be a difference in Cali?

Will people vote for him? sure they will, does that make it right to vote for some idiot that didn't vote himself in important elections, no it doesn't. And Jesse did so well didn't he...

Ok, maybe Arnold did not want to vote for *either* Bush or Gore, and maybe he feels his own vote should not be placed automatically to himself in some since of fair play?

I dunno if that is the case, but can you prove Arnold did note vote in those elections?

EDIT: Spelling...

[Ramius]

And Jesse did so well didn't he...

Actually he is one of the most popular govs to date. I have not read or heard anything bad going on in Minn.

[Pherr the Dorf]

I stand corrected having forgotten the primaries as counting, it was 5 of the past 11(I was on the phone with a friend, he corrected me), there are stories out there and I will be happy to link a few when I return from work, which is where I am off to right now. Just because you don't vote for bush or Gore btw (I voted for neither) doesn't mean you should not vote, on the contrary you should vote in every election or shut your piehole.

[Acies]

I stand corrected having forgotten the primaries as counting, it was 5 of the past 11(I was on the phone with a friend, he corrected me), there are stories out there and I will be happy to link a few when I return from work, which is where I am off to right now. Just because you don't vote for bush or Gore btw (I voted for neither) doesn't mean you should not vote, on the contrary you should vote in every election or shut your piehole.

I agree. However, Arnold is not complaining, he is saying he can do a better job. With his financial connections, I believe he will have a profound positive impact on the Californian Economy, for once

[masteen]

DAMMIT COHAGEN, YOU HAVE WHAT YOU WANT! GIVE THOSE PEOPLE POWAH!!!

[Acies]

DAMMIT COHAGEN, YOU HAVE WHAT YOU WANT! GIVE THOSE PEOPLE POWAH!!!

I think it is air, not powah, though I could be wrong.

Anyone here heard of a band called ArnoldCore?

[Jice Virago]

Larry Flint is looking more attractive to vote for every day.

[Ducru]

Larry Flint is looking more attractive to vote for every day.

Larry Flint = teh win

I think all elections should be based on a game of online "Acrophobia". Whoever can come up with the wittiest acronym for all the abbreviated branches of the gubment = "teh Winner".

At least we'd keep the ones that can't think of another word for "C" but "Cunt" and "D" but "Dick" out of the picture. It may even slightly raise the IQ of our collective Judicial branches (Wait.. some of them use "Crack" for "C".. hmm, does that count?)

Ducru (<<<votes every chance he gets whether he likes ANYone running or not)

[Abelard]

arnold shall crush these attacks on his character like he did to a predator in the movie, predator@!1

[masteen]

DAMMIT COHAGEN, YOU HAVE WHAT YOU WANT! GIVE THOSE PEOPLE POWAH!!!

I think it is air, not powah, though I could be wrong.

It was air, but in light of the recent energy problems there and the outages in the NE yesterday, I paraphrased. It was a joke, asshat.

[Acies]

DAMMIT COHAGEN, YOU HAVE WHAT YOU WANT! GIVE THOSE PEOPLE POWAH!!!

I think it is air, not powah, though I could be wrong.

It was air, but in light of the recent energy problems there and the outages in the NE yesterday, I paraphrased. It was a joke, asshat.

har
You're about as funny as a hangover

[masteen]

You wouldn't know funny if it came over to your Mom's basement and assraped you.

[Acies]

You wouldn't know funny if it came over to your Mom's basement and assraped you.

*blink*

Um... yeah. Nice come back bro


wtf?

[Raistin]

So he didnt vote for Regan or Walter Mondale in 84.

He didnt vote for Bush Sr or Michael Dukakis in 88.

He didnt vote for Bush Sr or Clinton in 92.

He didnt vote for Dole or Clintion in 98.

He didnt vote for Gore or Bush Jr.



The only one I fault him for is 92. But Clinton won so no biggie! So I dont see whats the big deal on why he didnt vote.



For other peoples infoz, if you want here is a link to a webpage that shows all the votes and such for all elections. Its pretty cool.

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESID ... textj.html



one other thing. How many of you knew that Regan ran in 1976 with Bob Dole as his vice pres?I sure didnt

[Acies]

Nice info, thanks Raist.

[Adelrune Argenti]

He didnt vote for Dole or Clintion in 98.




one other thing. How many of you knew that Regan ran in 1976 with Bob Dole as his vice pres?I sure didnt

Well, not many of us voted in '98 for Dole or Clinton, except for some old people in Florida and some dead people in Chicago.

Yeah, Reagan ran in 76 but needed more seasoning. Carter's mismanagement made all that irrelevant though. Anyone was better than Carter in 1980. Hell, even John Anderson had a shot.

[Pherr the Dorf]

So he didnt vote for Regan or Walter Mondale in 84.

He didnt vote for Bush Sr or Michael Dukakis in 88.

He didnt vote for Bush Sr or Clinton in 92.

He didnt vote for Dole or Clintion in 98.

He didnt vote for Gore or Bush Jr.



The only one I fault him for is 92. But Clinton won so no biggie! So I dont see whats the big deal on why he didnt vote.



For other peoples infoz, if you want here is a link to a webpage that shows all the votes and such for all elections. Its pretty cool.

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESID ... textj.html



one other thing. How many of you knew that Regan ran in 1976 with Bob Dole as his vice pres?I sure didnt

The point isn't that he didn't vote for one person or another, it's that he didn't vote for ANYTHING. I could care less if you vote for people, it is issues, countless propositions that decide the laws for the state you live in that you have to vote on if you want to be taken as serious for any title in government. He didn't vote on the direction the state would go but wants to lead it... how the fuck does that make sense? Forget the politicians he did or didn't vote for or against, look at the issues he chose to not vote on, that's fucking pathetic. I could rant on for hours on how if you don't vote on issues you should keep your fucking trap shut, but I'll spare you all that. I will say though, his failure to vote on important issues for the 5th largest economy in the world (California) tells me he has zero right to run said state.

[Raistin]

With the way voteing is set up. One persons vote _really_ doesnt matter. Was he even a citizen to vote during most of that time?

[Keverian FireCry]

over half the countries votes didnt matter in 2k. electoral system is fucking rediculous.

[Pherr the Dorf]

One persons vote doesn't matter, fuck that, that is why the system is the way it is, apathy. If we had voter turnout comperable to most any other democratic country, things would change, they would have to. Why is the union so strong, the radical right so strong, etc etc, because they DO know how to turn out the vote, while Joe Dumbass sits on his fat Dumbass and whines about the system he does jack shit to change. Yes Arnold was registered to vote in every election since 92 and yes he missed his chance to vote on some very important issues, that makes him no better then Joe Dumbass who bitches about the system, only in this case he wants to now run the system, and again I say, fuck that.

[Fesuni Chopsui]

Huffington for President!

[Raistin]

Heaven for fucking bid someone NOT vote for random fucking oil hungry money nazi. Yes that includes all sections of votes. Guess what, he didnt vote for the same people in office now or then who took money on the side, had the best intrest in their own 'hood , or were just fucking money hungry. So he decides to run TO CHANGE.


Deciding to run for a office far outweighs voteing. As it stands now, you can vote your heart out, but you can be in that one county,city,district, and have everyone there out vote 100% the other option and still loose. You tell me how that is worth it.


Before you attack me about voteing and such. Ive voted for every city mayor, congressmen/woman ,pres or other random asshole. When people who run for office raise more than 500 million dollars just to run, and dont even find a way to raise 2 million dollars on our own city, or country, I say fuck them.

I have the great honor of seeing some of my bestfriends of 6 years+ email,or call me about how they are getting shot at, and who had died in iraq. It took them 3 months to get any pay. This is the National guard being paid by active army. These are people who worked full time jobs to support their family. Yet they were being shot at, and not being paid. And when they do get paid, they make all of 15k-27k a year. Seeing some fucking Congress asshole make millions plus, then have the balls to ask for money to run for office again, pisses me off. Sure lets give the men and women in the military a 1.2% raise over 3 years. ROFL fuck them.


Voteing gets you no where. Its the people who make a direct impact that matter,

[Fairweather Pure]

I have the great honor of seeing some of my bestfriends of 6 years+ email,or call me about how they are getting shot at, and who had died in iraq. It took them 3 months to get any pay. This is the National guard being paid by active army. These are people who worked full time jobs to support their family. Yet they were being shot at, and not being paid. And when they do get paid, they make all of 15k-27k a year. Seeing some fucking Congress asshole make millions plus, then have the balls to ask for money to run for office again, pisses me off. Sure lets give the men and women in the military a 1.2% raise over 3 years. ROFL fuck them.

If it makes you feel any better, all our men and women that are in harms way are also getting considered for a pay cut.

Washington -- The Pentagon wants to cut the pay of its 148,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, who are already contending with guerrilla-style attacks, homesickness and 120- degree-plus heat.

Unless Congress and President Bush take quick action when Congress returns after Labor Day, the uniformed Americans in Iraq and the 9,000 in Afghanistan will lose a pay increase approved last April of $75 a month in "imminent danger pay" and $150 a month in "family separation allowances."

The Defense Department supports the cuts, saying its budget can't sustain the higher payments amid a host of other priorities. But the proposed cuts have stirred anger among military families and veterans' groups and even prompted an editorial attack in the Army Times, a weekly newspaper for military personnel and their families that is seldom so outspoken.

Congress made the April pay increases retroactive to Oct. 1, 2002, but they are set to expire when the federal fiscal year ends Sept. 30 unless Congress votes to keep them as part of its annual defense appropriations legislation.

Imminent danger pay, given to Army, Navy, Marine and Air Force members in combat zones, was raised to $225 from $150 a month. The family separation allowance, which goes to help military families pay rent, child care or other expenses while soldiers are away, was raised from $100 a month to $250.

Last month, the Pentagon sent Congress an interim budget report saying the extra $225 monthly for the two pay categories was costing about $25 million more a month, or $300 million for a full year. In its "appeals package" laying out its requests for cuts in pending congressional spending legislation, Pentagon officials recommended returning to the old, lower rates of special pay and said military experts would study the question of combat pay in coming months.


WHITE HOUSE DUCKS ISSUE
A White House spokesman referred questions about the administration's view on the pay cut to the Pentagon report.

Military families have started hearing about the looming pay reductions, and many aren't happy.

They say duty in Iraq is dangerous -- 60 Americans have died in combat- related incidents since President Bush declared an end to major combat operations in Iraq on May 1. Another 69 have been killed by disease, the heat or in accidents.

"Every person they see is a threat. They have no idea who is an enemy or who is a friend," said Larry Syverson, 54, of Richmond, Va., whose two sons, Brandon, 31, and Bryce, 25, are serving in Iraq. Syverson appeared with other military families at a Washington, D.C., news conference to publicize efforts to bring the troops home.

"You can get shot in the head when you go to buy a Coke," added Syverson, referring to an incident at a Baghdad University cafeteria on July 6 when an Army sergeant was shot and killed after buying a soda.


AFRAID FOR HER SON
Susan Schuman of Shelburne Falls, Mass., said her son, Army National Guard Sgt. Justin Schuman, had told her "it's really scary" serving in Samarra, a town about 20 miles from Saddam Hussein's ancestral hometown of Tikrit.

Schuman, who like Syverson has become active in a group of military families that want service personnel pulled out of Iraq, said the pay cut possibility didn't surprise her.

"It's all part of the lie of the Bush administration, that they say they support our troops," she said.

It's rare for the independent Army Times, which is distributed widely among Army personnel, to blast the Pentagon, the White House and the Congress. But in this instance, the paper has said in recent editorials that Congress was wrong to make the pay raises temporary, and the Pentagon is wrong to call for a rollback.

"The bottom line: If the Bush administration felt in April that conditions in Iraq and Afghanistan warranted increases in danger pay and family separation allowances, it cannot plausibly argue that the higher rates are not still warranted today," the paper said in an editorial in its current edition.

On Capitol Hill, members say the issue will be taken up quickly after the summer recess when a conference committee meets to negotiate conflicting versions of the $369 billion defense appropriations bill.

"You can't put a price tag on their service and sacrifice, but one of the priorities of this bill has got to be ensuring our servicemen and women in imminent danger are compensated for it," said Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D-Walnut Creek, a member of the House Armed Services Committee.

"Since President Bush declared 'mission accomplished' on May 1, 126 American soldiers have died in Iraq, and we are losing more every day," Tauscher said. "If that's not imminent danger, I don't know what is."

The Senate bill calls for making permanent the increases in combat pay -- the first in more than a decade -- for service in Iraq and Afghanistan. The House wants to pay more for service in those two countries than for such duties as peacekeeping in the Balkans. With the money saved, the House wants to increase the size of the active military by 6,200 troops.

What won't be clear until Congress returns is whether the Pentagon will lobby against keeping the increase.

The Pentagon reiterated Wednesday that its goal was for service personnel to rotate out of Iraq after a maximum of a year in that country. Units of the Army's 3rd Infantry Division, which played a major role in last March's invasion, have already come home.



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By the numbers
U.S. troops in Iraq: 148,000

U.S. troops in Afghanistan: 9,000

Imminent danger pay: $225 per month, but is scheduled to drop to $150 a month

Family separation allowances: $250 per month, but scheduled to drop to $100 per month

Go Bush Administration!

[Aabidano]

Considering we're paying the bulk of those folks less than minimum wage, (assuming a non-existant 40 hour week, 80+ is common) that's pretty hosed up.

[Raistin]

When your in a situation like that. Your on the clock 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week. My unit has been in action since Feb 1, 2003 with no leave and 2 weekends off so far. When your in the feild IE:Infantry theres no such thing as a break.


They make less than min wage. 70% of them make 1.76 dollars per hr every day. If this happens, Im willing to bet Bush wont be back just from this alone, or many congress men/women.

[Kelgar]

They make less than min wage. 70% of them make 1.76 dollars per hr every day. If this happens, Im willing to bet Bush wont be back just from this alone, or many congress men/women.

Cheap labor conservatism at its finest. How is it that the pentagon and Bush administration can justify record level defense spending yet find it fit to cut veterans benefits of both active duty and retired? An even better question is how many of these same people who got bent over a barrel and fucked over will still wind up supporting Mr. Simian in the next election.