An interview with an ex special forces sergeant

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An interview with an ex special forces sergeant

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Frankly, I'm amazed that this guy, Stan Goff, was just a regular enlistee who was swayed help fight against the commies when he was just a kid back in 1970. He sure doesn't conjure images of your "God/guts/and the USA" type of mindless drone that some of us here at VV are exposed to.


http://truthout.org/docs_03/073103A.shtml

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[JVB] What do you think about Bush's build-up of the military?


[SG] Bush is making more politically fatal mistakes than I can count these days. His so-called build-up of the military is one of them. He is not in fact building up the military, depending on how you define that. He is building up the weapons industry, at the behest of his mad military advisor, Donald Rumsfeld - a weird man who has convinced himself without a shred of evidence to support it, that he is a military genius.

Rumsfeld has convinced himself that technology can replace human leadership and ingenuity on the battlefield, so he is prevailing on his intellectually challenged boss to buy lots of expensive toys. I write at length about this Rumsfeld Doctrine in "Full Spectrum Disorder," the book that's coming out in December from Soft Skull Press. This whole trend is being reinforced within the administration by his coterie of neo-con economists who think they can replicate the Reagan era recovery through military Keynesianism. Like I said, the sum of these errors will be far greater than their parts. Unfortunately, other people will pay with treasure and blood, and the whole fnord will retire in comfort to write their bullshit memoirs and give lectures. The military itself, if you look at the humans who populate it, is undergoing the same kind of attacks on its living standards as the whole rest of the American working class, in order to pay for Rumsfeld killer drones and super-subs.

[JVB] What do you think about him reducing veteran benefits? What do you think about his giving tax cuts to the rich while reducing vet benefits?

[SG] I think it will bite him in the ass at the end of the day. The problem is, they have to cut. They are trapped on the runaway train of their own economic nostrums, their own overwhelming rich-white-boy hubris, and a very real, very deep crisis of capitalism itself. In response to a column I wrote recently taking Dubya to task for his inane 'bring 'em on' comment, I was flooded with supportive emails from pissed off vets and military families. They were all talking not only about the hypocrisy of this faux-cowboy preppy daring people to attack soldiers while he sat in the air conditioned White House, they expressed a profound sense of betrayal at benefits cuts, for active duty people and veterans. Bush's entire neo-con hallucination about world domination is based on the projection of military power, yet he manages to alienate the very people who will lay it all on the line.
For fuck's sake, get a load of this remark:
Americans are not critical thinkers by and large. We suffer from a collective sociogenic learning disability based on the complete commodification of our consciousness by consumerism and electronic media. So we are not only bitterly unhappy and alienated, we are intensely stupid and attached to denial.
This guy sounds like a college professor, not some former grunt.
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Don King could learn from him for sure, it's "superexpectactesticular!".

-edit oh, and I guarantee you that when he was enlisted *if he was a marine at least*, he was "God/guts/and the USA". You are not allowed to be otherwise until you are discharged.
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And why exactly do you sterotype someone who served in the special forces as being incapable of intelligent and thoughtful writing? Most of the people I know who were in the military, especially during the Vietnam era, are very critical of the government (as well they should be). I can't honestly blame Rumsfield and company for attempting to develop weapons that would possibly save the lives of thousands of our own military. I do find it deplorable that they would make the cutbacks to the veterans or in payment/equipment for our servicemen. They could cut billions in foreign aid that is getting us nowhere if they need to make cuts.
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Krimson wrote:edit oh, and I guarantee you that when he was enlisted *if he was a marine at least*, he was "God/guts/and the USA". You are not allowed to be otherwise until you are discharged.
I never said anything to suggest otherwise. As a kid, he enlisted so that he could "fight the commies". If you bothered to read the link, you would have caught that.
I believed the whole official narrative about the world communist conspiracy and in its evil, so I enlisted in the Army in January 1970.
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Americans are not critical thinkers by and large. We suffer from a collective sociogenic learning disability based on the complete commodification of our consciousness by consumerism and electronic media. So we are not only bitterly unhappy and alienated, we are intensely stupid and attached to denial.
He's totally right, to. Americans are by and large (especially here in LA) only really concerned with what is going on in there own little personally lives, rather than what is going on around them. We eat up what the mass-media spoon feeds us, and feel like we know all thats needed to know. Then, back to the mall!
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Kelgar wrote:
Krimson wrote:edit oh, and I guarantee you that when he was enlisted *if he was a marine at least*, he was "God/guts/and the USA". You are not allowed to be otherwise until you are discharged.
I never said anything to suggest otherwise. As a kid, he enlisted so that he could "fight the commies". If you bothered to read the link, you would have caught that.
I believed the whole official narrative about the world communist conspiracy and in its evil, so I enlisted in the Army in January 1970.
Woah, calm down. I was only making reference to you being shocked that he was not "God/guts/and the USA" as you put it. Don't play the reading comprehension card with me ok? I was not trying to put you down in any way, if you took it as so, well, I dont apologize, but I did not intend it.
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Actually, he is totally wrong. Yay another armchair analyst trying to sell a book!


Americans suffer from a large dose of "who gives a fuck, as long as my refrigerator is full". Apathy is the problem, not any learning disability caused by mass media. People are just fucking lazy.


As for machinery replacing grunts, when you figure out a downside to that, you let me know.
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As for machinery replacing grunts, when you figure out a downside to that, you let me know
Sand and/or bad weather? :)
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vn_Tanc wrote:
As for machinery replacing grunts, when you figure out a downside to that, you let me know
Sand and/or bad weather? :)

Human Lives>Sand and/or bad weather
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How many lives will you save if you lose the battle because your machinery fails cos it's full of sand or rendered useless through bad weather?

DO try and keep up. . .
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vn_Tanc wrote:How many lives will you save if you lose the battle because your machinery fails cos it's full of sand or rendered useless through bad weather?

DO try and keep up. . .

If it saves 1 life its enough Fuck Tard. Try again
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I'm not wasting any more of my life explaining my fucking points to you you fucking dolt.
Knives to a fucking gunfight once again.
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vn_Tanc wrote:I'm not wasting any more of my life explaining my fucking points to you you fucking dolt.
Knives to a fucking gunfight once again.
I understand your point you knife wielding moron. Its called Technology you brain dead pastie fish and chips eating pussy.

You look at a target and instead of sending in a platoon of men to examine the situation you send in a fucking drone. If weather and sand is a problem you use something else i.e a Smart Bomb. You in all your wisdom have narrowed down military technology to some kind of ground robot that can be hampered by sand or weather.

They have other means of getting this done wonder brain.
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Knives to a gunfight.


beautiful!


i thought it was an interesting excerpt. Now the guy could be another person who tilts their real points by saying things slightly outrageous to sell books.

Ann Coulter being the extreme case of this - as she is simply crazy. But that is the recipe for success with the US mass media consumer: be loud, shout if possible, be outrageous, and be self righteous.
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You stupid fucking prick I swear to god if you had any fucking idea how dumb you look every time you lick the fucking keyboard you would shut the fuck up yesterday and vow to spend the rest of your life apologising to everyone you know for blighting their lives with your staggering fucking idiocy.

Now piss off.

edit: cart not voro ;p
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i would have given you VVs even if it was for me :p
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there's plenty more where that came from! ;)
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He had me at "DO".
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vn_Tanc wrote:You stupid fucking prick I swear to god if you had any fucking idea how dumb you look every time you lick the fucking keyboard you would shut the fuck up yesterday and vow to spend the rest of your life apologising to everyone you know for blighting their lives with your staggering fucking idiocy.

Now piss off.

edit: cart not voro ;p
Blow me!! Dont blame me because you can not comprehend the fact that Technology saves lives.
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Well you do have to understand that he is British...and their idea of great war tactics was to stand shoulder to shoulder in a straight line and shoot at another group of people in a straight line. I guess the years of inbreeding among their leaders lead to clearly superior thinking.
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OK against my better judgement I'm going to make one last futile effort to break through the layers of impacted feces that passes for understanding around here.
Rumsfeld has convinced himself that technology can replace human leadership and ingenuity on the battlefield
You see, this is a point made in the original post. I, like the author, believe you CANNOT replace humans on a battlefield. Not completely. Now keep this thought in mind. In normal human spheres of communication this is known as "the fucking point".

Now. . .
As for machinery replacing grunts, when you figure out a downside to that, you let me know
Sand and/or bad weather?
You see what happened there? Someone asked a question and I provided an answer. For reference check out the performance of the Challenger 2 battle tank sand filters in Iraq and the effectivenes of laser guided munitions in heavy cloud cover in Kosovo. Here's a hint: they don't fucking work. Extend this a little further and imagine the use of tactical EMP nukes on a gadget-heavy fighting force. On second thoughts don't bother trying to use your imagination. It's clear it's about as functional as your appendix.

See where this is going yet, tweedledum? Just in case you don't allow me to elucidate. For all it's failings the human being is adaptable and enduring. A human soldier can react to these adverse conditions, adapt and prevail. A machine just breaks or fails.
THIS is why trying to replace the grunt with a machine is daft.
THIS is the point the original author was making.
THIS is the point with which I agree.

Now NEVER EVER respond to one of my posts again unless you fucking understand what us grownups are talking about. And I mean REALLY UNDERSTAND, not just following the words on the screen with your finger and mouthing them over and over again til the basic english seeps into your muddied psyche.
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"technology can replace human leadership and ingenuity on the battlefield"

Upon further review I will give you this one Technology cannot replace leadership it can only assist, but technology can replace OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of the dangerous jobs for our fighting men.

Few examples:

Mine clearing Tanks
Bomb disposal droids
Flying drones for recon.
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Militaries have used an incredibaly wide assortment of equipment down through the years. Some have been huge flops, but some have been hugely successful. Although I agree that "grunts" will not be replaced, the general trend for quite some time has been on heavier use of equipment. Compare the largely infantry forces of WW1 to the more mechanized forces of WW2. In general which side would you rather be on, one with lots and lots and lots of grunts all armed with a rifle. Or on the side with fewer people, but with tanks, apcs, machine guns, mortars, artillery and air support? Equipment can't replace the soldier but that doesn't mean it isn't sometimes awfully good stuff to have.

Note that all this is in general, no clue on whether or not the specific purchases that Rumsfield is pushing are prudent or not.
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Nice backpedal Cart.

I wonder how many more people will have to destroy you before you realize you're a complete fucking tool.
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Truant wrote:Nice backpedal Cart.

I wonder how many more people will have to destroy you before you realize you're a complete fucking tool.

Listen up Tool box no one destroyed me and there is no backpedeling going on I never look back. WOW!! this is comming from a child who runs around saying BOK BOK what a moron.
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Technology does not replace leadership, period.


Rumsfeld might have his head up his ass, but even he isn't that stupid.


Grats the budding author another assinine statement to try and hawk a book.
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I took the time to study up on this Stan Goff fellow. He appears to be real. He is a self-avowed leftist. He has an opinion. He is allowed to have an opionion. He is even allowed to be a moron. I'm not surprised Kelgar found this idiot's opinion worth sharing. This is merely further proof that Kelgar is an idiot.

Please do go read the entire interview on the link provided. Also pay attention to the nature of the questions themselves. Tripe.

Carry on Kelgar. Someday you are going to stumble across some wisdom and probably scare yourself to death.
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This guy is so far to one side that even those on the left avoid him once he gets going, you know the type the spittle dripping madmen convinced that if people will just listen they can save the world.

I trust his view of the world the same way I trust Pat Robertsons or Rush Limbaughs.
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Cartalas wrote:Upon further review I will give you this one Technology cannot replace leadership
Backpedal, thanks.
Cartalas wrote:WOW!! this is comming from a child who runs around saying BOK BOK what a moron.
Wow, what does this have to do with anything! Nothing!

Oh...and you called me a toolbox...are you fucking serious?! I know fucking third graders that can call names better than you, and considering that's all your flames consist of, name calling... you should really shut up, you constantly make yourself look more and more stupid. (which is saying a LOT, trust me)
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"I know fucking third graders that can call names better than you"


Well that says it all, Now I know where your shit material comes from.
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Cartalas wrote:"I know fucking third graders that can call names better than you"


Well that says it all, Now I know where your shit material comes from.
Hehe, every thousanth post or so Cartalas manages to make me laugh. Don't get happy, I still don't like you though.
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raistin's avatar is teh funny, keke!

on a related note:

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Cartalas wrote:"I know fucking third graders that can call names better than you"


Well that says it all, Now I know where your shit material comes from.
Yet your best posts are largely unintelligible.
And you have the gall to call my posts shit material? You have nothing to say, and yet you say it over and over; all day, every day. You are fucking noise on this board. And yet you seem to get some satisfaction of having been made a moron publically day in and day out.
People like you should not be allowed to comunicate with others of the human race, because your stupidity is hazardous...it's a shame to think that you reproduced :(
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Metanis wrote:I took the time to study up on this Stan Goff fellow. He appears to be real. He is a self-avowed leftist. He has an opinion. He is allowed to have an opionion. He is even allowed to be a moron. I'm not surprised Kelgar found this idiot's opinion worth sharing. This is merely further proof that Kelgar is an idiot.

Please do go read the entire interview on the link provided. Also pay attention to the nature of the questions themselves. Tripe.

Carry on Kelgar. Someday you are going to stumble across some wisdom and probably scare yourself to death.
This is awfully funny coming from you. Don't you have some meeting to attend? I hear Ann is trying to start up a brown-shirt brigade to go kill lefties somewhere.
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Cartalas wrote:Listen up Tool box no one destroyed me and there is no backpedeling going on I never look back. WOW!! this is comming from a child who runs around saying BOK BOK what a moron.
Your insults are painful to read. After he calls you a tool, you promptly reply with "tool box", holy shit you suck at teh insult. These so called "flames" you post are rigid, and sound like you painfully inserted commonly used catchphrases that at one time were thought to be funny.

Your next course of action is to take the "moral highground" so to speak. Using some catchphrase or behavior of your "flamee" in order to make it seem like you're better than someone. Herein lies the fatal flaw. Cartalas? You will NEVER EVER BE BETTER THAN ANYONE.

Repeat after me "I, Cartalas, suck at life"

You sit infront of your computer banging your keyboard with your closed fists in a fit of moronic rage, in hope of coming up with some coherent and quasi-intelligent post. You know how they say that if you put a monkey infront of a keyboard he'll eventually come up with Shakespeare, you are living proof that the saying is fucking wrong. When vn_tanc here proves you wrong, you're like "wait a minute while I rethink my opinion!" and herein lies the second problem. You've proved time and time again that you are totally devoid of any original thought.

YOU SIR, ARE WRONG!

In closing, incase you didnt understand what I just posted.

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Krimson Klaw wrote:
Cartalas wrote:"I know fucking third graders that can call names better than you"


Well that says it all, Now I know where your shit material comes from.
Hehe, every thousanth post or so Cartalas manages to make me laugh. Don't get happy, I still don't like you though.
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Anuin wrote:
Cartalas wrote:Listen up Tool box no one destroyed me and there is no backpedeling going on I never look back. WOW!! this is comming from a child who runs around saying BOK BOK what a moron.
Your insults are painful to read. After he calls you a tool, you promptly reply with "tool box", holy shit you suck at teh insult. These so called "flames" you post are rigid, and sound like you painfully inserted commonly used catchphrases that at one time were thought to be funny.

Your next course of action is to take the "moral highground" so to speak. Using some catchphrase or behavior of your "flamee" in order to make it seem like you're better than someone. Herein lies the fatal flaw. Cartalas? You will NEVER EVER BE BETTER THAN ANYONE.

Repeat after me "I, Cartalas, suck at life"

You sit infront of your computer banging your keyboard with your closed fists in a fit of moronic rage, in hope of coming up with some coherent and quasi-intelligent post. You know how they say that if you put a monkey infront of a keyboard he'll eventually come up with Shakespeare, you are living proof that the saying is fucking wrong. When vn_tanc here proves you wrong, you're like "wait a minute while I rethink my opinion!" and herein lies the second problem. You've proved time and time again that you are totally devoid of any original thought.

YOU SIR, ARE WRONG!

In closing, incase you didnt understand what I just posted.

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Truant wrote:
Cartalas wrote:"I know fucking third graders that can call names better than you"


Well that says it all, Now I know where your shit material comes from.
Yet your best posts are largely unintelligible.
And you have the gall to call my posts shit material? You have nothing to say, and yet you say it over and over; all day, every day. You are fucking noise on this board. And yet you seem to get some satisfaction of having been made a moron publically day in and day out.
People like you should not be allowed to comunicate with others of the human race, because your stupidity is hazardous...it's a shame to think that you reproduced :(
Here is a novel idea Senor " I like to hang around 3rd graders", God I hope your a teacher and not doing it for, well lets say fun. If you dont like it there is that little STFU button use it.
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Cartalas wrote:If you dont like it there is that little STFU button use it.
I have been trying to get you to do that for a month now, Take your own advice Dunder ass.

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Aslanna wrote:
Cartalas wrote:If you dont like it there is that little STFU button use it.
I have been trying to get you to do that for a month now, Take your own advice Dunder ass.

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You see the difference I dont mind your under handed comments you and Truant seem to be bugged by them so ala STFU.
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Technology is wonderful. It enables us to fly 7 miles above the ground at 4 times the speed of sound. It enables us to cross the vast oceans in mere days. It helps our soldiers see in the dark, know where their enemies are located, and kill them from a great distance.

Despite all that, the human body is still the most adaptable and deadly combat machine ever created.
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Cartalas wrote:And you are?
More coherent than you?
Smarter?
Just dead sexy?

I fail to see what you're getting at. Oh wait, I get it now. You're implying that since I dont post 5.23 times a day, and since I dont have 2000+ posts that I have no reputation, or are unworthy of a response. Whereas many people may not know me, at least I dont have a rep built on sheer idiocy. So congratz, once again you've proved nothing.
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Anuin wrote:
Cartalas wrote:And you are?
More coherent than you?
Smarter?
Just dead sexy?

I fail to see what you're getting at. Oh wait, I get it now. You're implying that since I dont post 5.23 times a day, and since I dont have 2000+ posts that I have no reputation, or are unworthy of a response. Whereas many people may not know me, at least I dont have a rep built on sheer idiocy. So congratz, once again you've proved nothing.
Again Who are you?
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Kelshara
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Post by Kelshara »

He is implying that since he can't actually debate with anyone with more than half a brain, he has to find other ways to make his internet penis grow in the eyes of Metanis.
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Kelshara wrote:He is implying that since he can't actually debate with anyone with more than half a brain, he has to find other ways to make his internet penis grow in the eyes of Metanis.
He is debating with you?
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There's a problem with using the stfu feature....sure it'd save me the trouble of having to read your posts. But since you post to nearly every thread, every day...with nonsensical bullshit that ends up degenerating the thread into idiots posting what they think to be witty remarks that make no sense to the rest of the board.

If my putting you on stfu would stop you from fucking up every thread on this god damned board I would...until then I'll just have to hope that you'll get my point and say something relevant and/or intelligent, or not say anything at all.
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Post by Cartalas »

Truant wrote:There's a problem with using the stfu feature....sure it'd save me the trouble of having to read your posts. But since you post to nearly every thread, every day...with nonsensical bullshit that ends up degenerating the thread into idiots posting what they think to be witty remarks that make no sense to the rest of the board.

If my putting you on stfu would stop you from fucking up every thread on this god damned board I would...until then I'll just have to hope that you'll get my point and say something relevant and/or intelligent, or not say anything at all.
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OMG Raistin Hammer time!
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