Gov. Davis ( Mexifornia )

Venti · Post by **Venti** » July 23, 2003, 2:40 pm

See you later asshole.

I can't wait until this piece of shit is out of office. The only truly proper way to remove him would be to have an angry mob drag him out by his heels behind a horse, but I'll take the recall election if its the only way = ( .
Looks like the recall will be certified Thursday morning.

P.S. congratulations to the democrats who were stupid enough to have their conversation broadcast over the intercom system when they were talking about purpossely delaying the budget in order to leverage tax increases. Fucking bastards

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 23, 2003, 2:50 pm

Venti wrote:See you later asshole.

I can't wait until this piece of shit is out of office. The only truly proper way to remove him would be to have an angry mob drag him out by his heels behind a horse, but I'll take the recall election if its the only way = ( .
Looks like the recall will be certified Thursday morning.

P.S. congratulations to the democrats who were stupid enough to have their conversation broadcast over the intercom system when they were talking about purpossely delaying the budget in order to leverage tax increases. Fucking bastards

How in gods name did he get into office?

Venti · Post by **Venti** » July 23, 2003, 3:12 pm

He's fairly well known as one of the best tacticians in campaigning via smear tactics and in general, I think most idiots vote by name recognition or strictly vote for their party, even if their party candidate is a complete retard.

Grats California though on a 38 Billion dollar deficit though, with no budget in sight. I honestly think the only people smiling are the power companies.

Post by **Sylvus** » July 23, 2003, 3:35 pm

Who is your new governor then?

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » July 23, 2003, 3:38 pm

Arnold!

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » July 23, 2003, 3:39 pm

He IS our new governor...for now. A re-vote looks likely around October-ish.
Then we kiss can this mofo goodbye!

Truant · Post by **Truant** » July 23, 2003, 3:48 pm

Venti wrote:strictly vote for their party, even if their party candidate is a complete retard.

Yes, I don't know if I could say most, but a whole hell of a lot of them do.

Electing satan on your party ballot is better than voting for the other party to many people.

noel · Post by **noel** » July 23, 2003, 3:48 pm

Yeah, GOOD RIDDANCE.

LMAO @ Mexifornia.

Can't wait until this monkey is out of office. The way government works in the US is a very good system, if not the best. Sadly it won't protect us from our constituents APATHY.

Venti · Post by **Venti** » July 23, 2003, 3:52 pm

The recall election won't be approved until tomorrow. After that, a date will be established when a special election will be held to determine who gets to clean up after this clown.

The recall effort needed slightly less than 900,000 certified signatures to force a recall election, and using general practices of certification, and signature disqualification rates (due to unverifiable signatures/non residents/errors) meant that something on the order of 1.1 million signatures were needed. At the time the signature collection period ended, over 1.6 million signatures had been compiled, so the writing is on the wall, and I'll be extremely happy to see this fool suffer an embarrassing removal of office.

California in a nut shell:
Prior to Davis coming into office, there was a budget surplus, now there is over 30 billion in deficit spending. The state got there because Davis’ administration and his controlling Democrats increased spending by 37% when population and inflation grew by only 22%.

We have the lowest credit rating of all 50 states.

A national survey recently ranked California as the “worst managed” of all 50 states and in the bottom 3 of “states in which to do business”.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 23, 2003, 4:02 pm

You know there is a problem when businesses are shifting operations to Taxachusetts.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » July 23, 2003, 4:22 pm

I'm surprised all of Delaware isn't just one giant manhattan at this point.

As far as voting on party lines is concerned, I can't stand that. What I can't stand even more though, is that you have to register w/ a specific party to vote in their primaries. That one single issue is a large reason why jackoff incumbents remain in office term after term.

And what the hell is the story w/ certain elections being able to make their own times for the polls to be opened? Freakin school board budget voting takes place from 1pm-5pm. Who the hell can vote for that? Ohh wait, I know, TEACHERS. Feh

fuck

sdfads

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 23, 2003, 4:53 pm

Prior to Davis coming into office, there was a budget surplus, now there is over 30 billion in deficit spending.

It's amazing that people get upset at this obvious financial nightmare, then turn a blind eye to the Bush administration, except instead of billions in deficeit, we're in trillions. But that's totally different, right?

It dosen't matter of it's a Republican or a Democrat. A fuck-up is a fuck-up.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » July 23, 2003, 5:49 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote: It dosen't matter of it's a Republican or a Democrat. A fuck-up is a fuck-up.

Amen.
Still, I can't say I am not glad this jerkoff is out of office.

Venti · Post by **Venti** » July 23, 2003, 5:54 pm

It's amazing that people get upset at this obvious financial nightmare, then turn a blind eye to the Bush administration, except instead of billions in deficeit, we're in trillions. But that's totally different, right?

yeah, actually it is, because the national figure should be compared to the GDP to measure ability to buy down the debt. Why people blame the president solely for debt when in fact it is congress who sets the debt cieling is likewise, amazing to me.

Can I stab a guess that you might be a Democrat? (not being a dick, seriously want to know fairweather)

currently the national debt load is something like 6.7 trillion dollars.

Here is the statistical information for years ending bedget deficit:

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66

See a pattern there? Or can you honestly say that you feel it's all relative to the Bush administration?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 23, 2003, 6:19 pm

Actually, I have no party affiliattion. I also have no pity for the Bush Administration, which has misused governemnt fuding to the point of being a criminal act promoting such blunders as Gulf War II and the Home Security Act, and the Patriot Act.

"Empire and the Capitalists"

Immanuel Wallerstein - Fernand Braudel Center, Binghamton University - Commentary No. 113, May 15, 2003

No doubt, George W. Bush thinks he is in the forefront of those sustaining the world capitalist system. No doubt, a large part of the world left thinks that too. But do the great capitalists think so? That is far less clear. A major warning signal has been launched by Morgan Stanley, one of the world's leading financial investor firms, in their Global Economic Forum. Stephen Roach writes there that a "US-centric world" is unsustainable for the world-economy and bad in particular for the United States. He specifically takes on Robert Kagan, a leading neo-con intellectual, who has been arguing that American hegemony can only increase, particularly vis-a-vis Europe. Roach could not agree less. He sees the present world situation as one of "profound asymmetries" in the world-system, one that cannot last.

What is Roach's argument? The world has been in a "great disinflation [marvelous euphemism] from 1982 to 2002" - a salutary appraisal so different from the usual crowing about the strength of the U.S. economic position in the world-economy. "And now the unwinding of a new disequilibrium is at hand - the rebalancing of a U.S.-centric world." Why? First of all because of the "ever-widening disparities in the world's external accounts." He says that "as the United States squanders its already depleted national saving" and "as the rest of the world remains on a subpar consumption path," the situation can only get worse.

Finally, the conclusion: "Can a saving-short US economy continue to finance an ever-widening expansion of its military superiority? My answer is a resounding 'no.'" What will therefore happen? The "prices of dollar-denominated assets compared to those of non-dollar-denominated assets" must fall, and fall drastically soon. Roach estimates: "a 20% drop in real exchange rates and nearly double that in nominal terms, higher real interest rates, reduced growth in domestic demand, and faster growth overseas." He ends his piece by saying that "the world is not functioning as a global economy" (so much for the globalization theorists). and that "for a lopsided global economy, a weaker dollar may well be the only way out."

In short, Roach is arguing that the macho militarism swagger of the Bush regime, the dream of the U.S. hawks to remake the world in their image, is not merely undoable, but distinctly negative from the point of view of large U.S. investors, the audience for whom Roach writes, the customers of Morgan Stanley. Roach is of course absolutely right, and it is noteworthy that this is not being said by some left-wing academic, but by an insider of big capital.

Seen in longer historical perspective, what we are seeing here is the 500-year-old tension in the modern world-system between those who wish to protect the interests of the capitalist strata by ensuring a well-functioning world-economy, with a hegemonic but non-imperial power to guarantee its political underpinnings, and those who wish to transform the world-system into a world-empire. We had three major attempts in the history of the modern world-system to do this: Charles V/Ferdinand II in the sixteenth century, Napoleon in the beginning of the nineteenth century, and Hitler in the middle of the twentieth century. All were magnificently successful - until they fell flat on their faces, when faced by opposition organized by the powers that ultimately became hegemonic - the United Provinces, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

Hegemony is not about macho militarism. Hegemony is about economic efficiency, making possible the creation of a world order on terms that will guarantee a smoothly-running world-system in which the hegemonic power becomes the locus of a disproportionate share of capital accumulation. The United States was in that situation from 1945 to circa 1970. But it's been losing that advantage ever since. And when the U.S. hawks and the Bush regime decided to try to reverse decline by going the world-imperial path, they shot the United States, and U.S.-based large capitalists, in the foot - if not immediately, in a very short future. This is what Roach is warning about, and complaining about.

But doesn't the Bush regime give these capitalists everything they want - for example, enormous tax rebates? But do they really want them? Not Warren Buffett, not George Soros, not Bill Gates (speaking through his father). They want a stable capitalist system, and Bush is not giving them that. Sooner or later, they will translate their discontent into action. They may already be doing this. This doesn't mean they will succeed. Bush may get reelected in 2004. He may push his political and economic madness further. He may seek to make his changes irreversible.

But in a capitalist system, there is also the market. The market is not all-powerful, but it is not helpless either. When the dollar collapses, and it will collapse, everything will change geopolitically. For a collapsed dollar is far more significant than an Al-Qaeda attack on the Twin Towers. The U.S. has clearly survived the latter. But it will be a vastly different U.S. once the dollar collapses. The U.S. will no longer be able to live far beyond its means, to consume at the rest of the world's expense. Americans may begin to feel what countries in the Third World feel when faced by IMF-imposed structural readjustment - a sharp downward thrust of their standard of living.

The near bankruptcy of the state governments across the United States even today is a foreshadowing of what is to come. And history will note that, faced with a bad underlying economic situation in the United States, the Bush regime did everything possible to make it far worse.

http://www.eurolegal.org/uspubpol2.htm

Good article and a good page. I have more links at home, but I found this one from work. There is a plethora of information about how shitty our economic situation is and how it has changed since Clinton left office. I didn't like Bill Clinton because he was a Democrate, I like him because he was one hell of a good President.

Going home. Talk to you tomarrow. /wave

Venti · Post by **Venti** » July 23, 2003, 6:40 pm

While I found the article you quoted to be an interesting read, I have to recognize the viewpoint from where it came. Affiliate links abound to pro-union, anti Bush sites. Funny stuff to read, but not the "meat and potatoes" of unbiased information.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 23, 2003, 6:56 pm

Venti wrote:See a pattern there? Or can you honestly say that you feel it's all relative to the Bush administration?

Jr. owns over 17% of it. Not bad for little more than 2.5 years in office. It took bill 8 years to earn his 24%.

Venti · Post by **Venti** » July 23, 2003, 7:08 pm

yeah, but with his pressing social schedule, he wasn't nearly as focused on the task of overspending!

har har

cid · Post by **cid** » July 23, 2003, 10:43 pm

RECALLED WE WIN!!!!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 29, 2003, 12:04 pm

cid wrote:RECALLED WE WIN!!!!

Lets say Arnold runs for gov. and he does a horseshit job would it be a Total Recall?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 29, 2003, 12:10 pm

Venti wrote: Here is the statistical information for years ending bedget deficit:

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66

See a pattern there? Or can you honestly say that you feel it's all relative to the Bush administration?

yes the pattern is that every year since 1992 the Republican Party has controlled Congress and thus had the ultimate final say in the budgetary process.

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » July 29, 2003, 12:14 pm

So, Davis can still run in the recall election right? Personally I think it would be exceptionally funny if he was to win again in the recall election. California would be in the exact same place they started, except they'd have spent many millions of dollars for the recall election, putting the state even further in the red.

Mort · Post by **Mort** » July 29, 2003, 1:00 pm

He's not going to win..... EVAR!

Venti · Post by **Venti** » July 30, 2003, 1:51 pm

More neat shit, and somewhat back on topic.

In an absolute pinch for passing *something* the assembly here in CA gave the nod on a budget. The democrats are puffing out their chests saying that the budget includes "No new taxes", yet contained in the budget is a 4 Billion dollar TRIPLING of the car tax.

California's Constitution prevents a court from issuing an injunction to block an illegal tax, meaning it will take several years before the courts can stop him. In 1990, the state imposed a $300 tax on every car brought into California in direct violation of both the state and federal constitutions. It took 10 years before the courts could order a refund.

The state controller is the designated person to raise the car tax *if neccesary* and legal. By legal, I mean that several conditions have to be met first. Things like the state being absolutely cash broke and unable to repay local governments for lost revenues. Even then, the tax is only supposeed to be in effect for the amount of the shortfall. Past that, the fucking thing is written to be on a month by month basis.

What we got though, is something entirely different, that will take years of legal hand wringing to un-fuck.

If you live in California, starting in October, your going to get back-doored on this tax. As soon as you pay it, (assuming you want it back, becasue its fucking illegal, go here:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/adm/adm399.pdf

Instructions for Requesting a DMV Refund

If your registration expires in October 2003 or after, you should include the California Department of Motor Vehicles' official refund form with your car registration. This will put you on record with the DMV as considering Governor Davis' car tax increase illegal, and let them know that you will be expecting a refund once the tax is overturned.

1. Click here to download the refund form. You will need the free Adobe Acrobat Reader, which you can download by clicking here.

2. Be sure to click “other” in box 11 and insert, "Tripling the Car Tax is illegal. Pursuant to the lawsuit (case# HJTA v. DMV, Sac Co. Superior Ct. No. 3ASO3665) to overturn this tax, I am hereby requesting a refund."

3. Mail the completed form with your vehicle registration renewal fee if your registration expires in October 2003 or after.

4. Make a copy of the refund form, your check and DMV bill, and save them for your records.

Don’t be discouraged if your refund is immediately denied, as it will likely take a year or more to overturn the tax. But by submitting your claim, and keeping a record of your overpayment, you will be establishing your claim for a refund!

I swear, the more I see how fucked up our government is, Im not sure if it makes me want to move, or run for an office to inject something that resembles common sense.

Mort · Post by **Mort** » July 31, 2003, 12:16 pm

Another thing driving me crazy.... the fucker is flip flopping and is now going to allow illegal immigrants to get a drivers license. How fucking special!

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 31, 2003, 12:26 pm

Talk about buying the hispanic vote, what a cocksucker.

Mort · Post by **Mort** » July 31, 2003, 12:43 pm

Cant find the article yet, but I know last weekend at a "Latino Group BBQ" he said....

"You put that bill on my desk and I will sign it in a heartbeat". I will find the link, as Im sure it's going to be hot news soon.

Cocksucker Indeed!

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » July 31, 2003, 12:59 pm

Phear the death throes of a mortally wounded politician

cid · Post by **cid** » July 31, 2003, 3:01 pm

Well they finally passed a budget. Taxes were not raised this year, but they borrowed a shit load of money to pay back later. Whomever gets the office next is fucked.

What pisses me off is the vehicle registration increase. I paid $210 last year for one years registration. Now next year I get to pay $630 for a year. Fuck you California!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 31, 2003, 3:06 pm

cid wrote:Well they finally passed a budget. Taxes were not raised this year, but they borrowed a shit load of money to pay back later. Whomever gets the office next is fucked.

What pisses me off is the vehicle registration increase. I paid $210 last year for one years registration. Now next year I get to pay $630 for a year. Fuck you California!

Eeeekkkk their stealing from you.

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » July 31, 2003, 3:11 pm

Nuke the zit that is California off America's ass and you solve the whole problem

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 31, 2003, 3:23 pm

cid wrote:Well they finally passed a budget. Taxes were not raised this year, but they borrowed a shit load of money to pay back later. Whomever gets the office next is fucked.

What pisses me off is the vehicle registration increase. I paid $210 last year for one years registration. Now next year I get to pay $630 for a year. Fuck you California!

Wow.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » July 31, 2003, 3:31 pm

God damn, $630? I'm complaining about having to pay $78 today to get a new sticker. I cannot express how glad I am that I didn't move to California a couple years ago.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 31, 2003, 4:27 pm

Vetiria wrote:God damn, $630? I'm complaining about having to pay $78 today to get a new sticker. I cannot express how glad I am that I didn't move to California a couple years ago.

$45 per year in Wisconsin for vehicle tags. In a twist, you pay $2.50 extra if you renew on the internet.

Venti · Post by **Venti** » July 31, 2003, 4:40 pm

cid wrote:Well they finally passed a budget. Taxes were not raised this year, but they borrowed a shit load of money to pay back later. Whomever gets the office next is fucked.

What pisses me off is the vehicle registration increase. I paid $210 last year for one years registration. Now next year I get to pay $630 for a year. Fuck you California!

The thing is, the tax is ILLEGAL in the way its being implemented. Im not pickin on Cid, but what most people don't realize is that it isnt registration fees that are going to triple, IT's THE CAR TAX. So any claims that taxes didnt increase, is an absolute misrepresentation by whatever slackass politician that's throwing the statement out there. Taxes did increase, by an anticipated 4 Billion dollars.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » July 31, 2003, 4:52 pm

Venti wrote:More neat shit, and somewhat back on topic.

In an absolute pinch for passing *something* the assembly here in CA gave the nod on a budget. The democrats are puffing out their chests saying that the budget includes "No new taxes", yet contained in the budget is a 4 Billion dollar TRIPLING of the car tax.

California's Constitution prevents a court from issuing an injunction to block an illegal tax, meaning it will take several years before the courts can stop him. In 1990, the state imposed a $300 tax on every car brought into California in direct violation of both the state and federal constitutions. It took 10 years before the courts could order a refund.

The state controller is the designated person to raise the car tax *if neccesary* and legal. By legal, I mean that several conditions have to be met first. Things like the state being absolutely cash broke and unable to repay local governments for lost revenues. Even then, the tax is only supposeed to be in effect for the amount of the shortfall. Past that, the fucking thing is written to be on a month by month basis.

What we got though, is something entirely different, that will take years of legal hand wringing to un-fuck.

If you live in California, starting in October, your going to get back-doored on this tax. As soon as you pay it, (assuming you want it back, becasue its fucking illegal, go here:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/adm/adm399.pdf

Instructions for Requesting a DMV Refund

If your registration expires in October 2003 or after, you should include the California Department of Motor Vehicles' official refund form with your car registration. This will put you on record with the DMV as considering Governor Davis' car tax increase illegal, and let them know that you will be expecting a refund once the tax is overturned.

1. Click here to download the refund form. You will need the free Adobe Acrobat Reader, which you can download by clicking here.

2. Be sure to click “other” in box 11 and insert, "Tripling the Car Tax is illegal. Pursuant to the lawsuit (case# HJTA v. DMV, Sac Co. Superior Ct. No. 3ASO3665) to overturn this tax, I am hereby requesting a refund."

3. Mail the completed form with your vehicle registration renewal fee if your registration expires in October 2003 or after.

4. Make a copy of the refund form, your check and DMV bill, and save them for your records.

Don’t be discouraged if your refund is immediately denied, as it will likely take a year or more to overturn the tax. But by submitting your claim, and keeping a record of your overpayment, you will be establishing your claim for a refund!
I swear, the more I see how fucked up our government is, Im not sure if it makes me want to move, or run for an office to inject something that resembles common sense.

venti 4 prez, yo

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 6, 2003, 10:29 am

Gray Davis is only a small part of a much larger problem. I am not sure of the numbers, but with all of the super-rich liberal fuckwad celebrities in this state... well, that is quite a bit of political influence... need a Gov. that has the balls to reject the political views of the Hollywood elite and clean up this dirtbag state, or at least TRY!

As far as potential cantidates-- former LA mayor Richard Reardon(sp) will only run if Arnold decides not to run. Oh, I think Larry Flynt(sp) is going to run...as well as some porn actress (no shit!)... I will vote for Larry(go Hustler!) if I have not yet found a job in Portland, Raleigh, Denver or St. Louis...

Deward · Post by **Deward** » August 6, 2003, 11:17 am

Thank whoever I don't live in California.

$630 is pretty horrendous. Most of my cars growing up cost less than that.

Deward

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » August 6, 2003, 12:39 pm

I like Arnold and all, but WTF - don't you folks in Cali have any fucking EXPERIENCED public service types who aren't out to reduce your state into further misery?

You think you'd have at least a FEW stand-up guys/gals in the bunch... is EVERYONE in public office in the ultra right wing or ultra left wing camp?

P.S. $45 - tags - Ohio

Ebumar · Post by **Ebumar** » August 6, 2003, 12:43 pm

Ash, everyone from california is a fucktard. I am from california, and I will say that I am a fucktard. EVERYONE in this damn state is a god damned retard, I hate it.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » August 6, 2003, 5:59 pm

I moved out here about three months ago (from Wisconsin) and near as I can tell, the real problem here is everyone is just plain too laid back and non confrontational. Quite simply, if it doesnt impact their drive from work, their access to mini-malls, or their gonja stash, no one seems to care about it. As for the recall, my view is if the GOP had actually put a real canadate up in the real election, instead of letting some rich little prick who was so abrasive he made Davis look not so bad, we wouldn't be in this shitstorm now. GOP needs to start putting the best man for the job up, not who they think they will win. Problem is, everyone knows the net guy in office is going to have a hard fucking time getting the last 12 years of mistakes corrected, especially since Bush has been getting his fingers in the mess by holding back promised federal aid. If both sides would stop fucking cock jockeying and just fix the shit, the world would be a much better place.

Venti · Post by **Venti** » August 6, 2003, 7:10 pm

Kargyle wrote:So, Davis can still run in the recall election right?

No, actually he can't run as his own replacement.

There are two parts to the ballot:

Q1. Do you support a recall of the governor

Q2. Pick a candidate from below that you support for governor

< List candidates >

So he will either be voted out of office or not, depending on responses of voters, based on question 1, and then, if a recall is voted in, question 2 determines who would replace him.

At least that's how I understand it to work. I recall reading that according to California's Constitution that he is precluded from replacing himself, as a candidate in question 2 ... which makes sense.

Venti · Post by **Venti** » August 6, 2003, 7:19 pm

Canelek wrote:Gray Davis is only a small part of a much larger problem. I am not sure of the numbers, but with all of the super-rich liberal fuckwad celebrities in this state... well, that is quite a bit of political influence... need a Gov. that has the balls to reject the political views of the Hollywood elite and clean up this dirtbag state, or at least TRY!

As far as potential cantidates-- former LA mayor Richard Reardon(sp) will only run if Arnold decides not to run. Oh, I think Larry Flynt(sp) is going to run...as well as some porn actress (no shit!)... I will vote for Larry(go Hustler!) if I have not yet found a job in Portland, Raleigh, Denver or St. Louis...

Can I ask why you would vote for anyone, who's best effort at a campaign slogan is "Vote for a smut peddler who cares"? Of course the slogan has zero to do with the rest of his masterpiece platform, but at the moment that slogan rolls off a person's tongue, I discredit him/her as the least intelligent possible solution.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 6, 2003, 9:39 pm

Why vote for Larry? This state is a sinking ship man, it will not matter who is at the top, unless Arnold wins....

Venti · Post by **Venti** » August 6, 2003, 10:03 pm

Canelek wrote:Why vote for Larry? This state is a sinking ship man, it will not matter who is at the top, unless Arnold wins....

Please be too busy to vote when the recall election comes up. You'd be doing Californians a favor to keep logic like that out of the voting booth.

Thanks in advance

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 8, 2003, 2:17 am

Now that there is a solid Republican running in Arnold, I officially withdraw my L. Flynt comment. To be honest, as a republican, I would have voted for Ryordan if Arnold decided not to run. The last thing this silly state needs is another lefty fuckwad. to run the show

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