Gosh, it's terrible having real historical perspective...

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 18, 2003, 1:45 pm

... as opposed to the hysterical...

After Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt rounded up more than 100,000 Japanese residents and citizens and threw them in internment camps. Indeed, both liberal deities of the 20th century, FDR and Earl Warren, supported the internment of Japanese-Americans. In the '20s, responding to the bombing of eight government officials' homes, a Democrat-appointed attorney general arrested about 6,000 people. The raids were conducted by A. Mitchell Palmer, appointed by still-revered Democrat segregationist Woodrow Wilson, who won the 1916 election based on lies about intelligence and war plans.

In response to the worst terrorist attack in the history of the world right here on U.S. soil, Attorney General John Ashcroft has detained fewer than a thousand Middle Eastern immigrants. Ashcroft faces a far more difficult task than FDR did: Pearl Harbor was launched by the imperial government of Japan, not by Japanese-Americans living in California. The 9/11 Muslim terrorists, by contrast, were not only in the United States but, until the attack, had broken hardly any laws at all (aside from a few immigration laws, which liberals don't care about anyway). And yet, Ashcroft's modest, carefully tailored policies have prevented another attack for almost two years since Sept. 11, 2001. No internment camps, no mass arrests. And no more massive terrorist attacks.

Naturally, therefore, the Democrats have focused like a laser beam on the perfidy of John Ashcroft. Rep. Dick Gephardt recently said, "In my first five seconds as president, I would fire John Ashcroft as attorney general." (In his first four seconds, he would establish the AFL-CIO wing of the White House.)

Sen. John Kerry has vowed: "When I am president of the United States, there will be no John Ashcroft trampling on the Bill of Rights." (Experts are still trying to figure out why Kerry didn't mention his service in Vietnam during that last statement.) Let me be the first to predict that when John Kerry is president, pigs will fly.

Sen. John Edwards said that "we must not allow people like John Ashcroft to take away our rights and our freedoms." Apparently, we must, however, allow Janet Reno to run over our rights and our freedoms with a tank.

As usual, the Democrats have come up with a lot of bloody adjectives, but are a little short in the way of particulars as to how Ashcroft is trampling on anyone's rights. Their case-in-chief seems to be Tarek Albasti. Albasti's story has now run in more than 70 overwrought news stories. His tale of torment led a New York Times report on terrorism suspects whose lives have been uprooted and was the featured story on a PBS special this week about the civil liberties crisis sweeping America.

Tarek Albasti is an Egyptian immigrant who married an American woman, brought seven of his Egyptian friends to America and was enrolled in flight school when America was hit on 9/11. Based on a tip from the ex-wife of one of the men that they were plotting a suicide mission, the eight Egyptian immigrants were held for one week in October 2001 -- one week. The men were questioned and released. Since then, the government has issued copious apologies to the men and has expunged their records.

What are liberals claiming law enforcement was supposed to do with information like that? We're sorry for any Arabs whose dearest dream was to go into crop dusting, but this really isn't a good time. (Perhaps we could have a five-day waiting period for Muslims who apply to U.S. flight schools for a background check.)

Albasti told PBS -- that's right, PBS, the television network owned, operated and funded by the very same federal government Albasti now claims is oppressing him -- that during his one-week confinement he was worried he would be hanged without anyone ever knowing what happened to him. For that remark alone, he should be deported. Is that what he thinks of America? But at least detained Arabs -- and more to the point, their lawyers -- have a monetary incentive to make absurd claims of persecution. What is the Democrats' excuse?

Based on the wails from our stellar crop of Democratic presidential candidates, you would think every Muslim in the country is cowering in fear of a pogrom-oriented attorney general. Meanwhile, the left's principal evidence of a civil rights crisis in America consists of a one-week detention of eight Egyptian immigrants -- one in flight school, no less -- after the ex-wife of one of the men tipped off the FBI to a possible terrorist plot in the making.

Apparently, a lot of the false tips to law enforcement are coming from ex-wives. (Maybe Muslim men should have thought of that before introducing the burka.) Esshassah Fouad, a Moroccan student, was detained in Texas after his former wife accused him of being a terrorist. She is now serving a one-year prison sentence for making a false charge.

But some day, small children will be reading somber historical accounts about the dark night of fascism under John Ashcroft. (Thanks to Ashcroft, at least they'll be reading them in English, rather than Arabic.) If liberals applied half as much energy to some business endeavor as they do to creating the Big Lie, they would all be multimillionaires.

What are we to make of people who promote the idea that America is in the grip of a civil liberties emergency based on 100 hazy stories of scowls and bumps and one-week detentions? Manifestly, there is no civil liberties crisis in this country. Consequently, people who claim there is must have a different goal in mind. What else can you say of such people but that they are traitors?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » July 18, 2003, 1:49 pm

After Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt rounded up more than 100,000 Japanese residents and citizens and threw them in internment camps. Indeed, both liberal deities of the 20th century, FDR and Earl Warren, supported the internment of Japanese-Americans. In the '20s, responding to the bombing of eight government officials' homes, a Democrat-appointed attorney general arrested about 6,000 people. The raids were conducted by A. Mitchell Palmer, appointed by still-revered Democrat segregationist Woodrow Wilson, who won the 1916 election based on lies about intelligence and war plans.

In response to the worst terrorist attack in the history of the world right here on U.S. soil, Attorney General John Ashcroft has detained fewer than a thousand Middle Eastern immigrants. Ashcroft faces a far more difficult task than FDR did: Pearl Harbor was launched by the imperial government of Japan, not by Japanese-Americans living in California. The 9/11 Muslim terrorists, by contrast, were not only in the United States but, until the attack, had broken hardly any laws at all (aside from a few immigration laws, which liberals don't care about anyway

. . .and at this point I stop reading because it's obviously a slanted piece of shit. You can tell by the disparaging use of "liberals".

OMG 60 years ago they locked people up! Well 60 years ago they had a segregated population to keep the inferior negro under control. 60 years ago a woman's place was in the home, lest she worry her pretty lil head.
There's been some progress since then though. Check it out sometime.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » July 18, 2003, 1:50 pm

and where did you yank this peach from?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » July 18, 2003, 1:52 pm

Dear god I just skimmed the rest of it. It's fucking hilarious.

You really are an objectionable dolt aren't you?

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » July 18, 2003, 2:02 pm

hehe.

LIBERALS ARE TRAITORS!!!

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 18, 2003, 2:05 pm

Why is it that Republican lapdogs seem to think wrongs commited by democrats justify their own wrong doings?

I've seen Clinton's bombing of Iraq (JFYI: I argued at the time that it was just a distraction to get the heat off his BJ) somehow justifies the Iraq invasion.

Now this retarded crap from Metanis, not like we can expect anything better mind you.

Emulating a previous wrong doesn't make a right you fucking idiot.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » July 18, 2003, 2:18 pm

God, we really need to keep people like the one who wrote this from breeding.
I am sure if Brotha responds, he'll have at least one jingoistic comment to make that'll get this thread really rolling.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 18, 2003, 3:41 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
After Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt rounded up more than 100,000 Japanese residents and citizens and threw them in internment camps. Indeed, both liberal deities of the 20th century, FDR and Earl Warren, supported the internment of Japanese-Americans. In the '20s, responding to the bombing of eight government officials' homes, a Democrat-appointed attorney general arrested about 6,000 people. The raids were conducted by A. Mitchell Palmer, appointed by still-revered Democrat segregationist Woodrow Wilson, who won the 1916 election based on lies about intelligence and war plans.

In response to the worst terrorist attack in the history of the world right here on U.S. soil, Attorney General John Ashcroft has detained fewer than a thousand Middle Eastern immigrants. Ashcroft faces a far more difficult task than FDR did: Pearl Harbor was launched by the imperial government of Japan, not by Japanese-Americans living in California. The 9/11 Muslim terrorists, by contrast, were not only in the United States but, until the attack, had broken hardly any laws at all (aside from a few immigration laws, which liberals don't care about anyway
. . .and at this point I stop reading because it's obviously a slanted piece of shit. You can tell by the disparaging use of "liberals".

OMG 60 years ago they locked people up! Well 60 years ago they had a segregated population to keep the inferior negro under control. 60 years ago a woman's place was in the home, lest she worry her pretty lil head.
There's been some progress since then though. Check it out sometime.

Do we need to bring in the Zulu nation and India into this conversation or are you proud of that heritage? But 2 wrongs dont make a right!

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » July 18, 2003, 4:01 pm

Skogen wrote:I am sure if Brotha responds, he'll have at least one jingoistic comment to make that'll get this thread really rolling.

I would but with Ashcroft taking all of my rights away I'm starting to get a little worried. I don't say anything bad about the government, far from it, but after the way they've randomly picked out Muslims and tortured them by the thousands who knows??

Yeah the Jpnese internment and what Ashcroft is doing are apples and oranges when you put them into historical context (although they do have some parallels), but the rest of the article is right on. I swear if I see another person saying "Free speech is always the first thing to go..." or any other full of rhetoric but not the least based in fact phrase accusing Ashcroft of taking away all of our liberties, I'm going to completely lose faith that all humans are created equal- I'll start lobbying that some should be required to spend an extra four years in high school and have some kind of retard therapy, as well as only given half a vote for the half a brain they possess.

It's really ridiculous when in this time of trouble for our nation you see liberals (if a republican did it I'd be on his back too) playing off the irrational fears of people because of things the government did and is doing to protect our nation from terrorists attacks. Traitor is a strech, I'll just call them pathetic.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 18, 2003, 4:25 pm

Brotha wrote:It's really ridiculous when in this time of trouble for our nation you see liberals (if a republican did it I'd be on his back too) playing off the irrational fears of people because of things the government did and is doing to protect our nation from terrorists attacks. Traitor is a strech, I'll just call them pathetic.

If you weren't such a retard you would recognize that the government is playing off your own fears to justify things that would never be allowed otherwise.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 18, 2003, 5:06 pm

It's obviously the new Coulter rant; the way she covers her ears and just screams LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS when she writes gives away the author pretty easily. Just ignore it. She just writes to her audience: stupid fucking redneck racists. She is a performer that knows her market and exploits it.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 18, 2003, 5:11 pm

Cartalas wrote:Do we need to bring in the Zulu nation and India into this conversation or are you proud of that heritage? But 2 wrongs dont make a right!

put a fucking sock in it you racist bag of shit.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 18, 2003, 5:47 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Cartalas wrote:Do we need to bring in the Zulu nation and India into this conversation or are you proud of that heritage? But 2 wrongs dont make a right!
put a fucking sock in it you racist bag of shit.

Look a response from Thunder Twat!!!!

Look in the mirror you racist Cow!!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 18, 2003, 5:55 pm

yes because clearly I am the one referring to black people as "the zulu nation."

why xou doesn't ban your gimp ass mystifies me.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 18, 2003, 5:57 pm

kyoukan wrote:yes because clearly I am the one referring to black people as "the zulu nation."

why xou doesn't ban your gimp ass mystifies me.

Are you that fucking stupid!!!! I was refering to the Real ZULU NATION you stupid waste of flesh. I was refeering to the British Empire oppressing them you, Ignorant Cunt.

Pull your head out!!!

Looks who is talking the queen of racism, You are on record as making fun of Fat people,white people,retarded people( hell you even said they should be shot in the head).

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » July 18, 2003, 6:07 pm

Brotha wrote: It's really ridiculous when in this time of trouble for our nation you see liberals (if a republican did it I'd be on his back too) playing off the irrational fears of people because of things the government did and is doing to protect our nation from terrorists attacks.

That is, quite possibly, the best example of irony I've ever read. Fuck it, I'm calling Webster

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » July 18, 2003, 6:37 pm

Forthe wrote:If you weren't such a retard you would recognize that the government is playing off your own fears to justify things that would never be allowed otherwise.

Anything that I support has a hell of a lot more basis in fact and logic than the wild accusations that I cited.

Kyoukan until you learn that not every republican and person from the south is some ignorant redneck racist you have no right to get on your soapbox and act indignant at percieved ignorant sterotypes. Look in the mirror.

And I'm still waiting for the two examples of shady dealings with Iraq's oil and for you to point out whose oil Halliburton has stolen.

Kelgar · Post by **Kelgar** » July 18, 2003, 9:41 pm

Albasti told PBS -- that's right, PBS, the television network owned, operated and funded by the very same federal government Albasti now claims is oppressing him -- that during his one-week confinement he was worried he would be hanged without anyone ever knowing what happened to him. For that remark alone, he should be deported

OMG!!!1! Fuckers that speak ill of our federal government should be deported!

How ironic that the ignorant twat (assuming it really is Coulter) doesn't even realize that she is defending the same big government that most reactionaries claim to despise in their bullshit rhetoric. I can't remember the last time I've ever seen a more slanted pile of shit since the last time I read the mantra of some random KKK website for shits and giggles.

Congratulations Metanis on mindlessly bobbling your head along with opinions of the most extreme retards of your political affiliation!

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » July 19, 2003, 9:27 am

Do we need to bring in the Zulu nation and India into this conversation or are you proud of that heritage? But 2 wrongs dont make a right!

Well I'm not citing them as examples of how my country should behave now, dickhead. Or do you think I'd advocate machine-gunning blacks in England today because it was "ok" to do so in South Africa over a century ago?

Try this idea out: I know and understand my country and it's history. Unlike the people of the US I don't believe my country is a blemishless paragon of virtue in this world, blessed by some god and that can do no wrong. Your dragging up less savoury parts of our history will not wound me or upset me in any way. My country, like other countries, has and always will act in it's own ultimate self-interest and in accordance with the prevailing moral standards of the era. We are no better than anyone else in this respect. And neither is the US.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » July 19, 2003, 9:33 am

Anything that I support has a hell of a lot more basis in fact and logic than the wild accusations that I cited

I don't see any accusations cited just your usual shrill hysteria.

Here's some wild accusations I'll cite for you:
1) WMD In Iraq
2) Nukes in Iraq within 5 years
3) Biochem weapons ready to go in 45 minutes
4) Saddam is a threat to the whole world
5) Arab, Muslim and Terrorist are interchangeable words, as in that document above.

Carry on.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 19, 2003, 9:53 am

but we all know the great organizations in american history such as the KKK were composed of mainly liberals, err were they??

The dude who won WW2 for the americans made a fuck up and was responcible for 1 racist act, segregating a nationality
multiply that by 10 and look at all those "nigger hatin" organizations made up of backwater bible belt right wing fucks,
People like this lady just show that conservatives at heart are misinformed dumbshits

...now lets go shoots us sum mo saaa niggas ayy gee suum oil

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 19, 2003, 10:08 am

hmm i just quoted myself

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 19, 2003, 10:20 am

HUGZ!

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » July 19, 2003, 11:23 am

The restrictions of civil liberties following 9/11 are certainly very troubling, and Ashcroft has played prominently in those restrictions.

However, some of the critics deserve their own fair share of the responsibilty.

Shortly after 9/11 the USA PATRIOT act got passed by congress and signed into law by bush (by the way the caps aren't shouting or anything, amazingly enough the name of this bill is actually an acronym for Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism). The act expanded a lot of law enforcements powers, many of which are the ones being brought into question today. Ashcroft pushed the act through so he certainly deserves a good deal of the blame. All of his critics I am sure opposed handing him this sort of power though right? Nope. The act passed the senate by a vote of 98-1, it passed the house by 357-66 . Gephardt, Kerry and Edwards all voted for it. When faced with the decision of defending our civil liberties or looking like they were "doing something" politicians on both sides of the aisle rushed to try to look like they were doing something. Now when some of those powers are being used they are backpedeling. Maybe they should have thought of that before.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 19, 2003, 5:30 pm

Chmee wrote:The restrictions of civil liberties following 9/11 are certainly very troubling, and Ashcroft has played prominently in those restrictions.

However, some of the critics deserve their own fair share of the responsibilty.

Shortly after 9/11 the USA PATRIOT act got passed by congress and signed into law by bush (by the way the caps aren't shouting or anything, amazingly enough the name of this bill is actually an acronym for Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism). The act expanded a lot of law enforcements powers, many of which are the ones being brought into question today. Ashcroft pushed the act through so he certainly deserves a good deal of the blame. All of his critics I am sure opposed handing him this sort of power though right? Nope. The act passed the senate by a vote of 98-1, it passed the house by 357-66 . Gephardt, Kerry and Edwards all voted for it. When faced with the decision of defending our civil liberties or looking like they were "doing something" politicians on both sides of the aisle rushed to try to look like they were doing something. Now when some of those powers are being used they are backpedeling. Maybe they should have thought of that before.

I'd agree with your comments. But I'd add they they caved in to the "patriotism" card played by the government. Much in the same way as the US media did (at least according to Dan Rather). I doubt many in america would have been able to stand up against the government during this time.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 19, 2003, 5:32 pm

Xzion wrote:but we all know the great organizations in american history such as the KKK were composed of mainly liberals, err were they??

The dude who won WW2 for the americans made a fuck up and was responcible for 1 racist act, segregating a nationality
multiply that by 10 and look at all those "nigger hatin" organizations made up of backwater bible belt right wing fucks,
People like this lady just show that conservatives at heart are misinformed dumbshits

...now lets go shoots us sum mo saaa niggas ayy gee suum oil

Grats Xzion! Your post proves you are a veritable beacon of light, clarity, and brevity. You should know that I will always hold your opinion to the state of regard it deserves.

/flush

Carry on folks.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » July 20, 2003, 12:16 am

This is fun to watch. Kind of like tennis except it is flames being hit back and forth and that tennis really isn't fun to watch.

Kelgar · Post by **Kelgar** » July 20, 2003, 12:21 am

Grats Xzion! Your post proves you are a veritable beacon of light, clarity, and brevity

Xzion might legally be retarded, but you're willfully retarded. Big diff.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » July 20, 2003, 6:35 am

(by the way the caps aren't shouting or anything, amazingly enough the name of this bill is actually an acronym for Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism)

That's fucking hilarioous I had no idea

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » July 20, 2003, 12:37 pm

I'd agree with your comments. But I'd add they they caved in to the "patriotism" card played by the government. Much in the same way as the US media did (at least according to Dan Rather). I doubt many in america would have been able to stand up against the government during this time.

They are part of the government. Sure there was pressure on them, although I think that the main pressue was for them to look like they were doing something to maintain their image. Personally I would like to see our elected officials be a little more principled than that.

I am suprised they acted that way? Of course not. But that doesn't mean that I like it.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

- Benjamin Franklin

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » July 20, 2003, 2:49 pm

So allowing the FBI to wiretap a suspected terrorists phone without a warrant is taking away essential liberty?

The government's response after 9/11 was anything but the reckless round up of all Muslims of Arab descent like some people seem to think.

Chmee wrote:Ashcroft pushed the act through so he certainly deserves a good deal of the blame.

Yep Ashcroft definently deserves the blame for there being no terrorists attacks on the US since 9/11 and how many Al Qaeda cells and affiliates busted?

"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower (1890-1969), Inaugural Address, January 20, 1953