People who do this should be flogged and shot.

Crav · Post by **Crav** » July 9, 2003, 5:53 pm

I hate the law sometimes, child endangerment and possibly manslaughter? I don't know those kids seem to be pretty dead and she seems to be responsible for it. Link

Young boys die in sweltering SUV

Brothers, ages 3 and 5, were in the car for five hours

LANCASTER, California (AP) --The foster mother of two young boys who died after being left five hours in a sweltering sport utility vehicle was arrested for investigation of child endangerment.

Leslie Sue Smoot, 48, was booked late Tuesday night and held on $100,000 bail. No court date was scheduled.

Sheriff Lee Baca said earlier Tuesday that those responsible for leaving the children in the car would be charged with child endangerment and possibly manslaughter.

"Vehicles are not playpens," he said. "Vehicles are not baby sitters. And vehicles, when they are not properly ventilated, are death traps."

Smoot told authorities she left the boys, ages 3 and 5, in the car around 9 a.m. outside A Child's Place Daycare, which she ran.

"She indicated she thought someone else was going to get the children out of the car, possibly her husband," Los Angeles County sheriff's Lt. Al Grotefend said. "There was some miscommunication."

Smoot told investigators she discovered the boys in their car seats when she returned in the afternoon and pulled them from the vehicle.

The 5-year-old was dead. His brother, who was severely dehydrated, died a short time later at a hospital, sheriff's Sgt. Paul Patterson said.

Afternoon temperatures hovered around 100 degrees in the high desert town about 70 miles northeast of Los Angeles.

Officials from the Department of Children and Family Services said they will investigate.

A woman who answered the phone at A Child's Place Daycare declined to comment. Friends and parents gathered Tuesday at the 24-hour day care center.

Naeemah Edwards, whose daughter attended the center, told KABC-TV she was shocked.

"They come in with my daughter, and they play together," she said, adding that she would not let her child to return to the center.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 9, 2003, 6:12 pm

yeah i think i'd be looking for a new day care center as well.

geeze

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » July 9, 2003, 6:22 pm

You would THINK that she would verify the children got inside. Even more than that NOTHING is so important you leave children in a car along...

Marb

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » July 10, 2003, 12:34 am

All I can think of is what if that were my child in the car. I would be devestated.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » July 10, 2003, 11:55 am

How in the FUCK does someone forget their children like that?!?!?!?!

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » July 10, 2003, 12:33 pm

People who do this should be flogged and shot.

Well, they should be prosecuted and not entrusted to the care of children, much less be eligible to be a foster parent.

This is a tragic accident from irresponsibility that is almost certainly criminal in this case, and my heart goes out to all affected by the loss. I even feel somewhat for the foster parent(s) reponsible - I'd hope thier loss and guilt over the incident dwarfs any threat of criminal charges.

Fredonia Coldheart · Post by **Fredonia Coldheart** » July 10, 2003, 12:46 pm

I could never understand how the parent that doesn't usually take the kids to the babysitter forget that the kids were in the car until a couple of weeks ago ...

My house, the babysitters house, and where I work are in a triangle. It's about 20 minutes from home to the babysitters, 20 minutes from the babysitters to work, and 20 minutes from home to work.

A couple weeks ago the babysitter was sick when I picked up my son so I told her he would stay home with Dad the next day. I got up the next morning, got ready for work, kissed Dad and our son goodbye, got in the car, and drove straight to the babysitters house to drop of the baby.

There is no excuse for leaving a child in a car - I have always taken the baby with me even if I'm just going to the ATM for 2 seconds. But I can now understand a little better how it could happen.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 10, 2003, 12:50 pm

Last night Me, wife, and my 4 kids pulled into the garage and all piled into the house. 10 minutes later my wife asks "Where is Myles?" my 2 year old. He's asleep in his car seat in the van. First time this has happened in over 11 years of raising 4 children. Mistakes can happen. I am not a bad parent, neither is my wife, but sometimes bad things happen to good people. Purposefully being negligent and making bad parental decisions like leaving your kids in the car is one thing and should be punished, making this mistake on accident is different and can happen even to the best of us. An example I posed to my wife is a person is driving down the road, sneazes and crosses the median, killing someone from oncoming traffic. Totally an accident, but do we give the person 10 years jail time for it? I know sneazing and forgetting are two different things, but try to link the tangents with me to at least see this point of view.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 10, 2003, 1:09 pm

I remember when I was a kid, seeing a couple drive out of the chruch parking lot with their newborn in his car seat still sitting on a chair in the lobby. The parents were back in less than 5 minutes, completely mortified.

Mistakes happen. Tragic mistakes.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 10, 2003, 1:13 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Last night Me, wife, and my 4 kids pulled into the garage and all piled into the house. 10 minutes later my wife asks "Where is Myles?" my 2 year old. He's asleep in his car seat in the van. First time this has happened in over 11 years of raising 4 children. Mistakes can happen. I am not a bad parent, neither is my wife, but sometimes bad things happen to good people. Purposefully being negligent and making bad parental decisions like leaving your kids in the car is one thing and should be punished, making this mistake on accident is different and can happen even to the best of us. An example I posed to my wife is a person is driving down the road, sneazes and crosses the median, killing someone from oncoming traffic. Totally an accident, but do we give the person 10 years jail time for it? I know sneazing and forgetting are two different things, but try to link the tangents with me to at least see this point of view.

The difference in this case is you noticed the absense within 10 minutes. I imagine anyone, including myself, can make this mistake. I consider this an accident.

Can you imagine yourself or your wife leaving him in the car at 9am and not noticing he was missing until later in the afternoon? I do not consider this an accident.

Crav · Post by **Crav** » July 10, 2003, 1:19 pm

I know mistakes happen and people often forget about things and leave them lying around, but forgetting for over 5 hours? Sneezing and causing an accident is one thing, being negligent in your responsibilities is not an accident. If you want an example with the driving metaphor, think someone who is driving while talking on their cell phone, that is being negligent to your responsibilities as a driver. If you kill someone because you are negligent should not be treated as an accident, it is a crime.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 10, 2003, 1:57 pm

Like I said, willfully leaving your child in a compromising position is wrong and should be punished, same as driving while talking on a cell phone which is illegal in lots of places. I can't see myself forgetting about a child for 5 hours either, my only goal was for you people to at least glimpse how this could possibly happen.

Crav · Post by **Crav** » July 10, 2003, 5:09 pm

Oh I see how it can happen, it's quite easy to forget something for a long time. I know I always forget where my keys are or where my remote is, but there is a very big difference really. I know if I had a child there is always a chance that I will forget them in the car or forget to pick them up from school or something along those lines, however, this situation is not the same. The person left them in the car on purpose because "someone" else was suppose to come and get them. Now I don't know about you, but would you put the life of a child in the hands of someone else? That was negligence, I mean hell she didn't even check to make sure they had been picked up. I know mistakes happen and if she's human at all I know the pain of causing the death of a child is much worse than anything that the law could do to her, but I just hate the idea that she will not have to pay to the full extent of the law. I know it's petty of me and not very "Christian", but I am human and have those failings. Personally I don't believe people learn without some form of punishment, it's the animal in us like a puppy that doesn't learn without discipline.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » July 11, 2003, 12:35 am

Maybe the woman had to hurry to get in a raid with her guild.

sorry shouldn't make light of this but I hate thinking about it.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 11, 2003, 1:25 am

When it is about 100 degrees out and children are left in the car....well, that is just stupid... No parent would do that by accident, especially the mother.

Hell, it is bad to leave a dog out in that heat.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » July 11, 2003, 2:19 am

If you will note these were not her kids... she was a foster mother who runs a day care. I dare say that these kids, while they lived with her, were probably little different from most of the other kids at the daycare.

I do not know how Foster parents are in other states but in Arkansas it's a joke. Ninety percent of the ones I worked with while at Arkansas Children's Hospital were FP for one reason... the Gov. check they got each month. The kids were always close be taken away because they were being neglected. I did see a few, very few, excellent FP which made me want to call them something else, the term just brings bad conotations to my thoughts.

As a parent of an 8 month old I can already see how accidents can happen. Joseph, my son, has become almost my entire life (with his mom of course) since his birth. Nothing brings me more joy in this world than to see his smiling, laughing face and he is almost always in my thoughts. However just the other day I was wiring the surround sound in the new house while he was in the floor and within 30 seconds he had moved from his normal play area and was right under my feet. Scared the crap out of me...what if... so I can see accidents happening as you said Krimson.

What I can't see is forgetting about them, or not thinking to check on them for 5 hours. My job is a nightmare right now due to the economy, I'm trying to close and design every C/S and Network deal I can which makes my weeks VERY long. Luckly my wife is breastfeeding so she sees him at noon everyday when she walks over to the Daycare (it's on our workplace Campus). If she wasn't I would probably be over there, and sometimes am already, just to make sure he is ok.

5 hours... I bet if they were her kids she wouldn't have waited that long. But then again, I can't imagine how a mother could comprehend that God is asking her to kill her children either so...

Oh well...

Marb

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » July 12, 2003, 1:35 am

Last summer I was awakened by the wailing of what sounded like a cat fight. It was 2am on a Saturdaynight/Sunday morning. As I listened the sound had an eerily human aspect to it so I got dressed and jumped in the car to drive around and locate the cause of the disturbance.

As I rounded the corner with my windows open the sound became more distinct, and frighteningly that of a child. I parked the car and proceeded on foot looking carefully at the houses in the neighbourhood as the sound had faded away. I noticed a Van parked in a driveway with the large sliding door open and as I approached I saw a small foot dangling from the door. I walked up and found a small boy 4 years of age, he had been crying so much that his eyes were swollen and red.

Initially I thought he had been beaten and left outside. As it turns out he had been out with his mother, father and little brother on the family yacht for the day. His parents had been drinking and had left him in the van from approximately 10 pm. (This information came from the police). I talked to the child and as it was a late August night and chilly placed him in my car with the motor running and rang the door bell 5 or 6 times. No answer. I went back to the car and got my cell phone and called the police, while standing outside the car so as not to spook the little fellow.

The policeman who came to investigate was well over 6 feet tall. The look of anger on his face after interviewing the child was incredible. He strolled up to the door and kicked it 3 times and instantly the lights turned on. A drunk father appeared at the door and seemed more concerned about his door than the fact that his son had been locked out of his house for 4 hours. I have 3 kids and have never forgotten one of them, particularly when you are tucking them in, I mean for godsakes HOW THE HELL can you lose track of your kids or any kids that are under your care for longer than a few minutes.

Tragic.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 12, 2003, 3:25 am

I can't believe you molested that little boy atokal. I hope you rot in prison forever.

I have proof you did it too.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » July 12, 2003, 9:08 am

Kyoukan, not only is that disgusting.. It's completely out of line. You are way off topic and insinuating, even in jest, things that are not to be made light of. Fucking grow up 5 years from now, I hope that someone makes a crack at you about someone molesting YOUR child and see you you react. If you want to make a point, fine, do it. But for christ's sake, leave your child molesting bullshit in your own sick fantasies. I may not like people, but I will NEVER accuse someone of molesting a child, even in jest, unless they were clearly the perpetrator.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 12, 2003, 9:26 am

But I have proof!

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » July 12, 2003, 9:31 am

kyoukan wrote:But I have proof!

Yep you have proof that in a neighbourhood of say 30 homes, I was the only one who cared enought to look for a scared child who thought he had been abandoned by his parents. Kinda like your good sense has abandoned you on this thread.

Good one Kyoukan that was comedy at its best.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » July 12, 2003, 10:22 am

kyoukan wrote:But I have proof!

Show it or shut the fuck up.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » July 13, 2003, 10:45 am

Let it be recorded, this is the first thread where Kyoukan was shut the fuck up. Thank you.. /bow.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » July 13, 2003, 4:32 pm

Pahreyia wrote:Let it be recorded, this is the first thread where Kyoukan was shut the fuck up. Thank you.. /bow.

/clap cheer salute

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 13, 2003, 4:54 pm

Pahreyia wrote:Let it be recorded, this is the first thread where Kyoukan was shut the fuck up. Thank you.. /bow.

not really, I just didn't feel like you were worthy of the 10 seconds it would have taken to justify myself to someone as patently worthless as yourself. but I don't want you to live out the rest of your life thinking that you actually have the intellectual capacity to "put me in my place" as I am sure you are slapping yourself on the back over at the moment.

try reading this thread (you probably already have and then you yawned and forgot everything that happened that day) and maybe you will get the joke. I doubt it, but maybe. if you have any questions about the complexity of it all, drool twice and I will do my best to help you sound out the big words.

I'm sorry I had to make you look like a fucking idiot, again, but people like yourself, well your mouths are always bigger than your brains. it would all be very sad if I had any pity in my hard for the retarded, but I don't really.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » July 13, 2003, 9:56 pm

...and this justifies your use of excessively disgusting and perverted allogations how? It isn't difficult that you have to get your material from older threads.. I don't know that I've seen an original or insightful post from you in months. However, this does not warrant your use of child molestation as an ad hominim reply.

noel · Post by **noel** » July 13, 2003, 10:03 pm

Pahreyia wrote:...and this justifies your use of excessively disgusting and perverted allogations how? It isn't difficult that you have to get your material from older threads.. I don't know that I've seen an original or insightful post from you in months. However, this does not warrant your use of child molestation as an ad hominim reply.

...nor Atokal's continued allegations that I am a rapist and/or sexual predator. Not so fun when the shoe's on the other foot.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » July 13, 2003, 10:04 pm

kyoukan wrote:try reading this thread (you probably already have and then you yawned and forgot everything that happened that day) and maybe you will get the joke. I doubt it, but maybe. if you have any questions about the complexity of it all, drool twice and I will do my best to help you sound out the big words.

Paraphrased:

"You didn't bother reading every post on this internet messageboard before responding to me. You're obviously beneath me you fucking retard!!111!"

Do you realize how pitiful that makes you sound?

You're a bitter Canadian midget. No amount of "flaming" or attempts at flaunting your fictional intellectual superiority on an internet messageboard will change those facts. Fucking loser.

noel · Post by **noel** » July 13, 2003, 10:20 pm

Brotha wrote:Paraphrased:

"You didn't bother reading every post on this internet messageboard before responding to me. You're obviously beneath me you fucking retard!!111!"

Do you realize how pitiful that makes you sound?

You're a bitter Canadian midget. No amount of "flaming" or attempts at flaunting your fictional intellectual superiority on an internet messageboard will change those facts. Fucking loser.

Paraphrased: I have no idea what Kyoukan might be making reference to, so I'll just flame her.

Good job. Really.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » July 13, 2003, 10:29 pm

dude your such a bandwagon aranuil...

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » July 13, 2003, 10:41 pm

Aranuil wrote:
Pahreyia wrote:...and this justifies your use of excessively disgusting and perverted allogations how? It isn't difficult that you have to get your material from older threads.. I don't know that I've seen an original or insightful post from you in months. However, this does not warrant your use of child molestation as an ad hominim reply.
...nor Atokal's continued allegations that I am a rapist and/or sexual predator. Not so fun when the shoe's on the other foot.

Hey boy, I never once called you a rapist. I called you a cyber-rapist. Now suppose you tell me how you can rape someone digitally then I will understand your angst. Did I call you a predator, yes I did.

BTW you don't have to read any of Kyoukans post to realize she is a bitter, small minded individual that is as duplicitious as you on these boards.

You got something to say to me junior have the balls to say it yourself and put the midget back under your desk.
Or better yet keep poking Raistin and see what happens.

noel · Post by **noel** » July 13, 2003, 10:55 pm

Atokal wrote:Hey boy, I never once called you a rapist. I called you a cyber-rapist.

There's no difference to me. Let that sink in. A rapist is a rapist is a rapist, and I am not a rapist.

Now suppose you tell me how you can rape someone digitally then I will understand your angst. Did I call you a predator, yes I did.

Suppose you tell me. I didn't make up the term which is in itself an oxymoron.

BTW you don't have to read any of Kyoukans post to realize she is a bitter, small minded individual that is as duplicitious as you on these boards.

If you spent any time gaming with Kyoukan, you'd understand how silly you sound. She's one of the most clever people I've met in online gaming. She also has some thought-provoking though inflammatory opinions here on VV, which I rather enjoy reading.

You got something to say to me junior have the balls to say it yourself and put the midget back under your desk.

I find it humorous that you think I ask people to post on my behalf. I haven't said a word to her in weeks.

Or better yet keep poking Raistin and see what happens.

I'm supposed to be afraid of Raistin now? I think not.

You don't frighten me Atokal. You have nothing, and you are nothing. All you can offer are veiled threats, and false accusations. I thought you understood on the last thread that if you don't have anything to offer in the way of evidence, you should just STFU. If you're unable or unwilling to do this, you should watch who you call boy. At least I don't make accusations I can't backup.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » July 13, 2003, 10:58 pm

noel · Post by **noel** » July 13, 2003, 11:04 pm

Brotha wrote:Where in my post do you get the hint that I have no idea or even give a shit about what kyoukan was referring to? I knew exactly what she was referring to. Seeing a brainless, spineless, internet reject get owned on a messageboard that is practically his second home was priceless.

"If you ever say that to my face Brotha I'll kick your ass."

Where the fuck did I say that?

Whatever. Judging from all of your posts in which you make constant attempts to display what a masculine-full-of-testerone-no-shit-taking-badass you are leads me to believe that you're a fucking a pussy and most likely an insecure degenerate who has taken shit all his life in the real world and has found a medium which allows him to try to appear otherwise.

Yeah I can't believe I'd respond harshly to being called a rapist. So sorry.

As I've said before- I never had a problem with you in the past and you seemed like an ok guy, but seeing a retarded hypocrite trying to put others down, no matter how much pity I feel for him because of his obvious deficiencies, is just more than I can take.

For once in your life take it like a man and just STFU.

I won't take anything like a man because it's not fucking true. Not only is it not fucking true, there's no fucking proof that it's true.

What would you do if someone was calling you a rapist Brotha? You'd just go, "Ok, you're right?" Please. I don't agree with the majority of your political views because of your blind-faith, closed-minded nature, but what that has to do with anything else I have no idea.

Etasi · Post by **Etasi** » July 13, 2003, 11:43 pm

Atokal wrote:Hey boy, I never once called you a rapist. I called you a cyber-rapist. Now suppose you tell me how you can rape someone digitally then I will understand your angst. Did I call you a predator, yes I did.

Oh so you're backpedalling now? And contradicting yourself too, I see! Impressive, even for you.

Not to be melodramatic, but: you continue to make insinuations about someone's character, insinuations which, if this were anywhere but the internet (and even then...), would have the potential to ruin someone's life, and you're doing so simply because you don't know how to handle it when someone disagrees with you. Are you really so insecure that you need to call Aranuil a rapist in order to feel good about yourself?

On the upside, this fiasco has made your virtual dick look positively massive, so it's all worth it.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » July 14, 2003, 12:34 am

BTW you don't have to read any of Kyoukans post to realize she is a bitter, small minded individual that is as duplicitious as you on these boards.

Pot and kettle, anyone?

Atokal: try posting something that has some semblance of thought and logic behind it, rather than rabid stupidity and people might believe you. Right now you seem to get off on posting false accusations at Aranuil and attacking anything Kyoukan posts to the point that you make Brotha seem almost intelligent.

I don't agree with some of the political view points that Kyoukan expresses, but I will say that she often posts understandable positions, not just the ranting of someone who appears to be talking out of Metanis' asshole.

And keep slurping Tarachi, one day soon they'll notice

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » July 14, 2003, 12:52 am

The fact that people actually have an over/under of when he will say something useful shows how much people value his thoughts and opinions.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » July 14, 2003, 6:43 am

Wulfran wrote:
BTW you don't have to read any of Kyoukans post to realize she is a bitter, small minded individual that is as duplicitious as you on these boards.
Pot and kettle, anyone?

Atokal: try posting something that has some semblance of thought and logic behind it, rather than rabid stupidity and people might believe you. Right now you seem to get off on posting false accusations at Aranuil and attacking anything Kyoukan posts to the point that you make Brotha seem almost intelligent.

I don't agree with some of the political view points that Kyoukan expresses, but I will say that she often posts understandable positions, not just the ranting of someone who appears to be talking out of Metanis' asshole.

And keep slurping Tarachi, one day soon they'll notice

Rabid and stupid? Your headline was certainly correct. Remember I have seen your sound reasoning first hand.

Btw did you read the whole thread, the part where I was on topic and Your hero called me a child molester?? Yep I came out swinging on this thread and went after Kyoukan. God your stupid.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » July 14, 2003, 10:04 am

Guess what Aranuil? Even intelligent people do stupid fucking things sometimes. Don't let your hero worship cloud your thinking so much

Kyou, that was a stupid fucking entrance to a thread.

-Nuff said.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » July 14, 2003, 10:28 am

kyoukan wrote:
Pahreyia wrote:Let it be recorded, this is the first thread where Kyoukan was shut the fuck up. Thank you.. /bow.
not really, I just didn't feel like you were worthy of the 10 seconds it would have taken to justify myself to someone as patently worthless as yourself. but I don't want you to live out the rest of your life thinking that you actually have the intellectual capacity to "put me in my place" as I am sure you are slapping yourself on the back over at the moment.

it would all be very sad if I had any pity in my hard for the retarded, but I don't really.

This is brilliant, true genius. If this message board had an iota of decency you would be called out for this last sentence and crucified. You really are far more twisted than I imagined possible.

1. You have nothing but sympathy for criminals, ALL criminals, murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc. Stating that they need luxuries, penpals etc to be rehabilitated. These fuckers made a choice to break the law, thats right a choice. I don't prescribe draconian measures for punishment, however many of the entitlements they receive in prison are beyond what many law abiding citizens can afford.

2. On another thread you clearly state that you would like to shoot RETARDS in the head. Originally I thought this applied only to the ones that wanted to remove a limb. But clearly by your sentence "it would be really sad if I had any pity in my hard (sic) for the retarded, but I really don't."

People with compulsive disorders have NO choice about the way they act. With therapy and medicine(s) this behavior can be controlled. Yet because they were born with a deficiency and require OMG MONEY to help them you are ready to shoot them in the head.

You make me sick.

Unfortunately this post should be on the other thread but since your statement regarding the retarded appeared here the relevance would have been lost on the other thread.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » July 14, 2003, 10:36 am

I hate hate hate hate to say this but Atokal's first post was ... normal? So yeah, I would've lost money on the over/under. Unfortunately, he followed it up with the same old shit. So the odds are what? 675 to 1?

However, there was nothing wrong with any of Kyou's posts. There is no room for sensitivity on this battlefield.

Oh and to the idiots who leave their kids in cars... evolution? A study should be done.

EDIT: had to revise after reading the above post. Toker, I believe Kyou was calling Pahreakdya retarded. I also have no pity for your people either.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » July 14, 2003, 10:39 am

You're taking an insult thrown at another poster and interpreting it as an attack on all mentally handicapped people then shrieking and jumping up and down as if to draw our attention to TEH TRUTH ABOUT KYOUCAN!!!

WTF are you trying to achieve here? Are you hoping your deranged ranting will enlighten us poor fools who are somehow deluded into thinking Kyoucan is a decent, intelligent person? Or are you just so fucking obsessed you really can't see the ridiculous twists of logic you repeatedly make to turn every thread to which contribute into a crusade against her?

I'm going to go with (2). Add another banana to the sig, stalker.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » July 14, 2003, 1:06 pm

TEH TRUTH SI OUT THERE!1!!

BTW Tanc, the attack was on me, after a normal on topic post.

Reading Comprehension > Tanc

noel · Post by **noel** » July 14, 2003, 1:13 pm

I find it higly innappropriate for you to make these types of accusations when the majority of your posts spend more time flaming others than dealing with the subject matter at hand.

Additionally, though I agree with a more draconian means of imprisonment because I believe rehabilitation is few and far between, I think your completely misrepresenting Kyoukan's comments on the other thread in order to bolster your argument.

I'm not afraid of Kyoukan, and I've called her out on more than one occasion (as recently as yesterday). I realize that you only see what you want to see, but that is in fact the reality.

Try arguing a point instead of flaming everyone on a thread for a change.

Edit: The board must have eaten Atokal's post. Either that or one of the overbearing moderators edited it. Fortunately for all of us, I was able to preserve it here:

Tanc, I continue to find it humorous that you are more than willing to bash anyone on these boards if their personal opinion differs from yours. You come out swinging. Same with Aranuil, Kguku, Xyun and the rest of the rabble.

A refreshing change would be when Kyoukan makes another of her ignorant statements that cross the line in a big way that you post condemning her opinion. While she may be intelligent, she crossed the line big time.

If you believe that Retards should be shot in the head then have the balls to back her statement and get off my fucking back for calling her on it.

What generally happens here is the Statusxoaqao go into hiding rather than calling her out. Is it fear? Or is this a board for socially, morally bankrupt people to post? I am guessing it is a bit of both for the names I mentioned above.

TEH TRUTH SI OUT THERE!1!!

Post by **Xouqoa** » July 14, 2003, 1:21 pm

Atokal wrote:What generally happens here is the Statusxoaqao go into hiding rather than calling her out. Is it fear? Or is this a board for socially, morally bankrupt people to post? I am guessing it is a bit of both for the names I mentioned above.

I would attempt to respond to that but I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the word "Statusxoaqao".

You have gotten better at Retard! (1)

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » July 14, 2003, 1:23 pm

Everytime I post your little hero is there to flame me. Further I don't see how I can be misrepresenting her posts.

1. She stated that prisoners are deserving of sympathy. Go read her post.
She even goes so far as to state that "you can even send them something if you like".

2. She then states that Retards that have feel the overwhelming desire to remove a healthy limb should be shot in the head sparing the taxpayer money.

3. She then states that she has no sympathy in her heart for retards.

4. She attacks me on this thread calling me a Child Molester. And you accuse me of not staying on topic?

What part am I misinterpretting?

Finally, I would ask you a question Mr. I Will Call Bullshit whenever I see it.

How is my calling her out on her bullshit any different than what you do. However my calling her out is on more serious issues than your precious netiquette, on the grats post by Hammer.

Have a nice day.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » July 14, 2003, 1:28 pm

Wulfran wrote:And keep slurping Tarachi, one day soon they'll notice

And what exactly is that supposed to mean? I'm not taking anyone's side on this. I'm merely disgusted by Kyoukan's clearly out of line response. I don't care if it was Jice she was talking to. Anyone who makes light of child molestation as a flame tactic is the scum of the earth.

And before anyone gets uppitty about it, no, I wasn't molested, but a couple of my friends were. I have no tolerance for it, and would expect that someone who claims to be an intelligent and reasonable being would know better than to toss allegations like that around.

I know nothing of what Toker's alleging Aranuil to have done. Frankly, I don't care. Those two can cock fence here all they want, because neither of them will win in the end. But I won't sit idly by and watch someone call anyone a child molester.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » July 14, 2003, 1:44 pm

Atokal wrote:
kyoukan wrote:
Pahreyia wrote:Let it be recorded, this is the first thread where Kyoukan was shut the fuck up. Thank you.. /bow.
not really, I just didn't feel like you were worthy of the 10 seconds it would have taken to justify myself to someone as patently worthless as yourself. but I don't want you to live out the rest of your life thinking that you actually have the intellectual capacity to "put me in my place" as I am sure you are slapping yourself on the back over at the moment.

it would all be very sad if I had any pity in my hard for the retarded, but I don't really.
This is brilliant, true genius. If this message board had an iota of decency you would be called out for this last sentence and crucified. You really are far more twisted than I imagined possible.

The true genious is your constant inability to comprehend the English language. See, once again EVERYONE BUT YOU DUMBFUCK, read that statement as her referring to Pahreyia as retarded. Not the mental handicapped. This thread has nothing to do with mentally disabled people, as you would like to think. Look back on all the times people have called other people 'retard' then go call them all out on it.

Atokal wrote:2. She then states that Retards that have feel the overwhelming desire to remove a healthy limb should be shot in the head sparing the taxpayer money.

3. She then states that she has no sympathy in her heart for retards.

What part am I misinterpretting?

2. She states that people wanting to amputate their limbs for disabilities should be shot in the head.

3. Once again you have no fucking clue on how to notice the context of the word.

You are misinterpretting everything.

noel · Post by **noel** » July 14, 2003, 1:47 pm

Atokal wrote:Everytime I post your little hero is there to flame me. Further I don't see how I can be misrepresenting her posts.

1. She stated that prisoners are deserving of sympathy. Go read her post.
She even goes so far as to state that "you can even send them something if you like".

2. She then states that Retards that have feel the overwhelming desire to remove a healthy limb should be shot in the head sparing the taxpayer money.

3. She then states that she has no sympathy in her heart for retards.

4. She attacks me on this thread calling me a Child Molester. And you accuse me of not staying on topic?

What part am I misinterpretting?

Finally, I would ask you a question Mr. I Will Call Bullshit whenever I see it.

How is my calling her out on her bullshit any different than what you do. However my calling her out is on more serious issues than your precious netiquette, on the grats post by Hammer.

Have a nice day.

How is it different? That's an excellent question that I'm glad you asked. I mean, I assume it was a question. Normally we use question marks to indicate a question, but it's cool, I'll go with it.

The manner in which it's different is that I was attacking a person for a specific behavior, whereas you're attacking a person for a difference of opinion. The fact is, when she presented her opinion on why prisoners should be rehabilitated, she presented a valid argument with supporting arguments. Though I disagree with her opinion, the manner in which she presented it I thought was fairly good. I have yet to see you follow suit. You simply say you disagree, and then proceed to make ad hominem attacks on the individual you disagree with. While it might make you feel like you're making a winning argument, the rest of us see right through it.

You asked.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 14, 2003, 1:51 pm

kyoukan wrote:I can't believe you molested that little boy atokal. I hope you rot in prison forever.

I have proof you did it too.

You are a tasteless Cum depository!!