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Kilmoll got the first one more than adequately, so for the others...
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The faith based social services plan Bush put forth, did no harm. It only rewarded those service agencies who happened to be faith based.

It does harm by misappropriating tax dollars to religious organizations. Over a billion dollars has gone to people like Pat Robertson, Sun Myung Moon and a bunch of other religious kooks. I thought you were against religion?
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I have a problem with anyone being ignorant enough to believe in any of the equally laughable religions, but I don't feel the need to point it out EVERY TIME a thread is started about religion like some others do.
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Sylvus wrote: It does harm by misappropriating tax dollars to religious organizations. Over a billion dollars has gone to people like Pat Robertson, Sun Myung Moon and a bunch of other religious kooks. I thought you were against religion?
I do not believe in God and have a problem with organized religion. Time and knowledge will eventually eliminate religion all together. I do not expect it to all happen in 13 years. Windows 95 (the birth of the explosion of the internet) is the seed to mass information being available to all. Myths cannot survive when someone has the proof at their hands showing them to be false. Although, information can be altered or filtered to push a movement, so maybe not. heh

Anyway, back on point, whether a social service is affiliated with a religion or not, means nothing to me. If they offer help to people who need it that is all that matters.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Anyway, back on point, whether a social service is affiliated with a religion or not, means nothing to me. If they offer help to people who need it that is all that matters.
I agree with that, as long as they are helping anyone regardless of their religious affiliation and not trying to convert them during the process.

The problem that I have is that if you're a religious organization, some of the money you receive is going to be going to jesus/allah/shiva/joboo/etc., or training your staff to be able to appropriately spread his/her word, printing pamphlets, etc. I'd rather a secular organization was just spending the money on helping people.
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Ashur wrote: I wouldn't necessarily agree with that first sentence. While I'm too lazy to use the search function to cite specific examples, I can think of several times where Nick, Winnow and the "atheist intellectual elite" (like being mentioned in the same sentence guys?) mocked anyone who believed in a higher power and even started threads specifically for that that purpose.
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I'd strap a text bomb to my avatar and blow it up right in the middle of a theological discussion here if I could!
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Winnow wrote:I'd strap a text bomb to my avatar and blow it up right in the middle of a theological discussion here if I could!
isn't that what every one of your posts are now? :P
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Obama pulls Edwards out of his backpocket and pre-empts Hillary's news interviews.

People calling this guy Obambi could be in for a surprise.
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Smart move by Obama.
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Want to see feminist's heads exploding?

http://www.blogforchoice.com/archives/2 ... ice-6.html

So many bitter women....
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That's about like reading through posts on hillaryis44.org. Nutty!
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Forthe wrote:Want to see feminist's heads exploding?

http://www.blogforchoice.com/archives/2 ... ice-6.html

So many bitter women....
That's fucking crazy.
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Xyun wrote:
Ashur wrote: I wouldn't necessarily agree with that first sentence. While I'm too lazy to use the search function to cite specific examples, I can think of several times where Nick, Winnow and the "atheist intellectual elite" (like being mentioned in the same sentence guys?) mocked anyone who believed in a higher power and even started threads specifically for that that purpose.
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For all the brainless kool-aide drinkers out there who can't understand why Hillary supporters would not support Hussein in case she didn't get the nomination, there is something more important than being a Democrat, and that is, BEING AN AMERICAN. Hussein is a danger to the national security of this country. A man who goes to such great lenghts to conceal his smoking habits, would find no problem at all concealing his ideas and where he trully stands on the issues, because he can't "get caught" in the same way as using cocaine or smoking. However his choices of friends betrays his true unAmerican nature. His wife is an angry, ungrateful bitch, his pastor is also an angry, divisive, American hater prick (who incidentaly was a muslin at some point), his Arab benefactor and campaign contributor Rezko is currently on trial for corruption (hey,new kind of politics, anyone? the kind they practice in Illinois?), and there is also his ties with former American terrorist group leaders of Weather Underground.If that doesn't scream Muslin American hater to you, I don't know what else does. You are truly a stupid moron with zero analytical skills. Ever wonder why Sen Clinton has more than 30 general and admirals supporting her? Is it really possible someone could be that stupid, that uncapable to see the big picture? McCain, at least is a true American and a true patriot, even if his policies may differ from the Democrats'. It's not even necessary to compare Hussein's experiences and credentials with the ones of his opponents, because he has nothing, nada, to offer in this department.He is a creation, an illusion, a fraud and a phony, and that is why if Sen Clinton is not the nominee, her supporters will vote for McCain. He is the lesser of 2 evils. We are not born Republicans or Democrats, we are born Americans, and as such we have to make sure that at least we vote for a real American, with real American values and not an impostor.

Obama is an impostor

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I wonder if he had pulled the Edwards endorsement prior to WV if the working-class whites wouldve somewhat shifted. Of course Hillary would still have won, but maybe by not such a wide margin. After all, he was the working-class dem prior to Clinton somehow pulling that demographic. Maybe he did it as a response.

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Forthe wrote:Want to see feminist's heads exploding?

http://www.blogforchoice.com/archives/2 ... ice-6.html

So many bitter women....
Wow. While the Internet feminist tantrum is amusing, what's even more amusing is the number of them that are positive that Hillary could beat McCain in the big race. From my admittedly unscientific polling of my friends and associates, everyone who is not a party hardliner would vote Obama > McCain > Clinton. Hillary is the most divisive candidate the Democrats could push forward. She can't even pretend to be a progressive moderate, and her politics scare more than just old white people.
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That's some kickass drama right there. I LOL'd
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I'm not sure what Obama is up to but he really is trying to shut down lefty 527s, and it is freaking them out.

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I just think it's entertaining that the traditional blogger (people like Midnyte, only with a hard on for writing letters to the editor) has become somehow quotable in mainstream media because they're a bunch of feckless flacks.
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Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton quickly apologized Friday after citing the June 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy as a reason to remain in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination despite increasingly long odds.
Holy shit, she isn't even going to wait until she would be VP, she is already tipping her hand. I bet she apologized not for "hurting the country" but for all but admitting she is going to have him knocked off.
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Tyek wrote:
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton quickly apologized Friday after citing the June 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy as a reason to remain in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination despite increasingly long odds.
Holy shit, she isn't even going to wait until she would be VP, she is already tipping her hand. I bet she apologized not for "hurting the country" but for all but admitting she is going to have him knocked off.
She certainly screwed the pooch with this one.
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Told you! She's a fucking loon.

Obama's as good as gone if she becomes the VP.
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Winnow wrote:Told you! She's a fucking loon.

Obama's as good as gone if she becomes the VP.
I don't know Winnow, it looks like the plan was to stay in the race until late in the game. The next step is to have him killed during the race, but close enough to the election that no one would re-enter the race (Edwards?). Now you have made Obama a legend and a martyr, you deliver a speech stating that Obama was an amazing man and in his honor, you will step forward and fight to continue his message of change. You claim you will carry on the banner he carried so proudly and you will keep his dream alive.

Hillary then rides the emotional wave to victory and the Clintons get to go back and steal more things from the White House in 8 years when she leaves...until she slipped up today and gave away her plan. Now Obama will be safe and any thoughts anyone had of making her VP are completely gone since they now know for sure that she will kill him. I wonder if she will quietly back out of the race in a few weeks?
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^^ this is how i feel about Hillary. she seems to believe that she deserves the nomination no matter who she screws over in the process... and she's already proven that she's willing to screw us all...
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Keverian FireCry wrote:Image

^^ this is how i feel about Hillary. she seems to believe that she deserves the nomination no matter who she screws over in the process... and she's already proven that she's willing to screw us all...
It's funny you say this. I've always thought of Hillary as an older, more entitled (in her mind) Tracy Flick.

Also, the conspiratards are fucking laughable. I can't stand Hillary Clinton, but there's nothing reputable (i.e. only the conspiracy ravings of other retards) to support the notion that she has had, or will have anyone killed. The idea that she'd try to have Obama knocked off is completely fruity. Go put on your tinfoil hats and talk about Roswell, the moon landings, the Kennedy assassinations or 9/11 or something.

I'm hoping that this latest gaffe by HRC will push the supers to put an end to this silliness once and for all. I'm sick of hearing from her mindless Hillarybots about how it's not unusual for the nomination process to go on well into June. Things are completely different now. The primary cycle starts earlier and is effectively over earlier, with a handful of minor and virtually insignificant primaries occurring late in the cycle. What's happening now is more akin to if, in the past, the process dragged on through late July or into August.

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Xatrei wrote: Also, the conspiratards are fucking laughable. I can't stand Hillary Clinton, but there's nothing reputable (i.e. only the conspiracy ravings of other retards) to support the notion that she has had, or will have anyone killed. The idea that she'd try to have Obama knocked off is completely fruity. Go put on your tinfoil hats and talk about Roswell, the moon landings, the Kennedy assassinations or 9/11 or something.

You people that think there are no conspiracies are as laughable as those that think everything is a conspiracy. Get your head out of "Pleasantville" and wake up!
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Xatrei is a high ranking member of the Illuminati. Don't listen to him. It's his duty to sheild the truth that he and his brethren create from the peole who really know what is going on in the deepest and most secretive levels of government and world affairs: people who read and post on Veeshan Vault.
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Winnow wrote:You people that think there are no conspiracies are as laughable as those that think everything is a conspiracy. Get your head out of "Pleasantville" and wake up!
Try again because we've been over this before. I'm fully open to the idea that there are, have been and will be secret plots and conspiracies afoot in this world. I just don't assume that anything suspicious is automatically an orchestrated plot by shadowy puppet masters. This is particularly true when there's a lack of evidence to support such notions, or more so when there is contradictory evidence in abundance.
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Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton quickly apologized Friday after citing the June 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy as a reason to remain in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination despite increasingly long odds.
Wow. What the fuck is she thinking? Not a bright moment.....or a very calculated slip-up. I think the Clintons have shown how very racist they are during this campaign.
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OK, I'm not an American so have no real say in this (from an electoral standpoint at least), and if I was able to vote I doubt I'd be voting for Hillary but WTF is the big deal about the Bobby Kennedy reference?

a) Its a historic event that happened in a primary
b) Its a matter of record that he was shot late on June 5, 1968
c) Hillary is not making light of the event, claiming any impact on it, saying anything disrepectful, etc. only pointing it out as a piece of high profile evidence supporting evidence of her contention that these things aren't always over before June.

It seems to be mostly the radical fringe of Obama's supporters and Republicans that are "most offended" by this comment (talk about a partnership made in Hell) but still it seems almost hypocritical in that they're the ones that appear to be trying to score political points off this (ironic that this happens the week that Ted Kennedy's likely fatal cancer becomes public knowledge). It seems strategically stupid for the Republicans to get involved in this too because isn't it better for them to have the race drawn out as long as humanly possible?
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It was a really stupid thing to say, and she's really paying for making the comment. It's everywhere, with all of the vast majority of the discussion being angry or offended. It's just bad politics.
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Wulfran wrote:OK, I'm not an American so have no real say in this (from an electoral standpoint at least), and if I was able to vote I doubt I'd be voting for Hillary but WTF is the big deal about the Bobby Kennedy reference?

a) Its a historic event that happened in a primary
b) Its a matter of record that he was shot late on June 5, 1968
c) Hillary is not making light of the event, claiming any impact on it, saying anything disrepectful, etc. only pointing it out as a piece of high profile evidence supporting evidence of her contention that these things aren't always over before June.

It seems to be mostly the radical fringe of Obama's supporters and Republicans that are "most offended" by this comment (talk about a partnership made in Hell) but still it seems almost hypocritical in that they're the ones that appear to be trying to score political points off this (ironic that this happens the week that Ted Kennedy's likely fatal cancer becomes public knowledge). It seems strategically stupid for the Republicans to get involved in this too because isn't it better for them to have the race drawn out as long as humanly possible?

It was being played almost as a threat. Kind of like :

Don't count me out yet, someone could kill Obama!
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Wulfran wrote:OK, I'm not an American so have no real say in this (from an electoral standpoint at least), and if I was able to vote I doubt I'd be voting for Hillary but WTF is the big deal about the Bobby Kennedy reference?
I think it is:
1) Her most feasable path to win the nomination at this point is for Obama to be assasinated and she used it in an answer justifying her staying in the race.
2) Huckabee's joke at the NRA already bringing the subject up in the press.
3) Existing fears of assasination. We've commented on it here months ago before he was the favorite to win the nomination. I still cringe when he gets up before crowds of 75k, expecting any moment his head will be blown off.
4) Ted Kennedy's brain tumor.
5) Bobby Kennedy assasination 40 year anniversity coming up.
6) Some of Clinton's supporters are batshit insane.
7) American History + race + lunatic fringe.
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Wulfran wrote:b) Its a matter of record that he was shot late on June 5, 1968
It's also a matter of record that the 1968 primary started on March 12th and he was shot within the first 3 months, after only 13 primaries. It was early in the race... A detail that attacks her reasoning for staying so 'late' in the race, but illustrates her selfish desire for power.
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Wulfran, I'll agree with you that she meant it to appear as a historical reference. However, many of Obama's supporters fear assassination, and for legitimate reasons. The man had Secret Service at his rally to launch his campaign in Springfield. They weren't just doing that out of the goodness of their hearts. Their presence suggests credible threats have been made that would require him to take security.
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NO NO NO, Xatrai already explained how we are all morons for thinking this!!

For the record, X. I was joking about the whole "scenario" I posted, but I will tell you that I truely think she has thought of that as an option if he nominates her as VP. I don't know if she would specifically do it, or point one of her freakish supporters towards that end, making statements like the Bobby Kennedy one.

But it is easier to use the tried and true VV method of calling everyone who does not agree with you a moron.
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Tyek wrote:NO NO NO, Xatrai already explained how we are all morons for thinking this!!

For the record, X. I was joking about the whole "scenario" I posted, but I will tell you that I truely think she has thought of that as an option if he nominates her as VP. I don't know if she would specifically do it, or point one of her freakish supporters towards that end, making statements like the Bobby Kennedy one.

But it is easier to use the tried and true VV method of calling everyone who does not agree with you a moron.
I'll be honest...( :mrgreen: ) I assumed that you weren't entirely serious, but in any event, I wasn't really referring to you, or anyone else, in particular. The focus of my comment wasn't even limited to just VV posters, because blogs and forums everywhere are thick with the conspiratorial silliness, especially since Friday afternoon. Sorry that I wasn't more clear about that, but I posted that as I was getting ready to leave for a few hours and, in my haste, didn't spell things out as carefully. Regardless, targeting one specific group of people with rather nutty conspiracy-laden ideas is hardly calling "everyone who does not agree with you a moron."

The theme that the Clintons are in the business of having people knocked off to further their own careers is one that's been mentioned several times recently on this board, and countless times on nearly all of the political sites that I follow. My comments were directed at the rather irrational (IMO) belief held by the "assume conspiracy first" crowd that the Clinton machine has a crew of hitmen just waiting for the signal to take down anyone that gets in their way or threatens their hold on power. Yes, I do think that people that believe this kind of crap are more than a little on the nutty side. Maybe I shouldn't call them morons or retards because many of the conspiracy minded people seem to be otherwise intelligent (very much so in some cases). Perhaps another term would be more accurate like delusional, irrational, deranged, insane, gullible, given to dark flights of fancy or whatever. Let me be clear though, the beliefs of the "Clinton Body Count" adherents don't deserve equal consideration or respect. It's complete nonsense, and whether someone prefers to call them morons or just crazy, they do deserve a little scorn and ridicule.
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Xatrei wrote:
Tyek wrote:NO NO NO, Xatrai already explained how we are all morons for thinking this!!

For the record, X. I was joking about the whole "scenario" I posted, but I will tell you that I truely think she has thought of that as an option if he nominates her as VP. I don't know if she would specifically do it, or point one of her freakish supporters towards that end, making statements like the Bobby Kennedy one.

But it is easier to use the tried and true VV method of calling everyone who does not agree with you a moron.
I'll be honest...( :mrgreen: ) I assumed that you weren't entirely serious, but in any event, I wasn't really referring to you, or anyone else, in particular. The focus of my comment wasn't even limited to just VV posters, because blogs and forums everywhere are thick with the conspiratorial silliness, especially since Friday afternoon. Sorry that I wasn't more clear about that, but I posted that as I was getting ready to leave for a few hours and, in my haste, didn't spell things out as carefully. Regardless, targeting one specific group of people with rather nutty conspiracy-laden ideas is hardly calling "everyone who does not agree with you a moron."

The theme that the Clintons are in the business of having people knocked off to further their own careers is one that's been mentioned several times recently on this board, and countless times on nearly all of the political sites that I follow. My comments were directed at the rather irrational (IMO) belief held by the "assume conspiracy first" crowd that the Clinton machine has a crew of hitmen just waiting for the signal to take down anyone that gets in their way or threatens their hold on power. Yes, I do think that people that believe this kind of crap are more than a little on the nutty side. Maybe I shouldn't call them morons or retards because many of the conspiracy minded people seem to be otherwise intelligent (very much so in some cases). Perhaps another term would be more accurate like delusional, irrational, deranged, insane, gullible, given to dark flights of fancy or whatever. Let me be clear though, the beliefs of the "Clinton Body Count" adherents don't deserve equal consideration or respect. It's complete nonsense, and whether someone prefers to call them morons or just crazy, they do deserve a little scorn and ridicule.
My fault too Xatrei, this thing with my dad is making me a bit on edge. It is weird seeing someone who was always so independent need help just walking around in the matter of days. As for your comments. I don't think there is an official body count either. There are some strange deaths in that group, but I would assume if someone was in that kind of power you are going to have people on the fringe of your friend list that do bad things for power and money and sometimes that results in death.

On the other side, even though I do not like the Clintons, I will admit that they may be the most politically smart couple ever produced out of Washington and everything they say has been tested, restated and rethought until it makes the most political sense it can. Shit, my wife bought a People magazine while we were sitting at the hospital and it had an interview with Hillary. She was asked "either/or" questions and on all but one said both. She refused to even joke with the reporter and give a Bill annoys me when...answer. So I think comment was aimed at someone. Whether that person is Obama and his team, or she is planting the seeds into the minds of her more radical voters, I do not know, but I cannot believe she was not making some point there.

As for why the Republicans would jump on it. I think the answer lies in McCain's age. That is one of the biggest points the Dems are making against him and if suddenly the Republicans can seize on the possibility of assassination (even when only hinted at) they can at least partially deflect their own age issues. Again these are just my thoughts and sorry if I was a little harsh earlier.
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I don't think Hillary meant that she would get Obama killed, just that she's not out of the race yet, because he could get killed.

I have no respect for her. I wish she would die.
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This had nothing to do with the assassination of R. Kennedy. She simply picked a couple of the most recognizable democratic nominees in order to make the point that some of the most qualified democratic candidates weren't picked till after the end of May primaries and into the June convention.

I cannot fucking stand Hillary, but if you honestly think this remark had something to do with inspiring fear about assassination possibilities or with a Clinton conspiracy to kill Obama...then you are a fucking moron. Period.
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This is a HUGE negative against Obama for me. He plans to cut NASA's budget:

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1100/1

If I'm going to vote for a non war mongering president, they damn well better be pouring mega bucks into the space program. It appears Obama isn't that guy. Just because Obama wants to chat with the terrorists doesn't mean he's making the right decisions if he pulls out our troops. The more I see the way he thinks, the less I want him near the White House.
It was clear to me that, at least as of early March 2008, Barack Obama is vocally insistent that we should forget about the Moon or Mars.
Obama’s modest proposal: no hue, no cry?
by Greg Zsidisin
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[Editor’s Note: This is part 1 of a three-part article.]

If elected President, Senator Barack Obama plans to delay Project Constellation for at least five years, putting the saved money into a new $10-billion-a-year education program that would, in essence, nationalize early-education for children under five years old to prepare them for the rigors of kindergarten and beyond.

Why single out the space budget to cut for this program? “NASA is no longer associated with inspiration,” Obama told a campaign rally audience in March. The silence from space advocacy groups in response to this policy, made public in November, has been deafening. As I have discovered in recent weeks, Obama is personally adamant about this approach, if the details of its implementation remain hazy.
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Obama’s education platform document, released last November, ends with the following paragraph (emphasis added):

IX. A COMMITMENT TO FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY
Barack Obama’s early education and K-12 plan package costs about $18 billion per year. He will maintain fiscal responsibility and prevent any increase in the deficit by offsetting cuts and revenue sources in other parts of the government. The early education plan will be paid for by delaying the NASA Constellation Program for five years, using purchase cards and the negotiating power of the government to reduce costs of standardized procurement, auctioning surplus federal property, and reducing the erroneous payments identified by the Government Accountability Office, and closing the CEO pay deductibility loophole. The rest of the plan will be funded using a small portion of the savings associated with fighting the war in Iraq.

The “early education plan” in question is a proposed “Zero to Five Plan” aimed at nationalizing an Obama-supported program in Illinois. This plan would create a “Presidential Early Learning Council”, fund and expand state funded pre-K programs, encourage universal pre-school in all states, and even “expand evidence-based home visiting programs to all low-income, first-time mothers” to “help improve the mental and physical health of the family.” Existing pre-K efforts aren’t good enough: “Pre-kindergarten for four-year-olds is important, but it is not enough to ensure children will arrive at school ready to learn.”

The trouble is, it’s not really clear exactly what part(s) of the NASA budget Obama would cut to pay for getting the under-four set into pre-K programs. Obama’s separately released quasi-official space policy does indeed leave out any mention of the Moon or Mars, Constellation’s intended ultimate destinations. However, it states support for development of the Ares 1 rocket and Orion Crew Exploration Vehicle (CEV). “As president, Obama will support the development of this vital new platform to ensure that the United States’ reliance on foreign space capabilities is limited to the minimum possible time period. The CEV will be the backbone of future missions, and is being designed with technology that is already proven and available.”

Since Constellation is focused in its early years on Ares 1 and CEV development, what exactly will be deleted? Specific lunar exploration planning? Downstream work on the Ares 5 heavy-lift rocket? These aren’t specified, but in any event cutting them will provide no real benefit in the earlier years of an Obama administration.

It is probably fair to point out here that there are two other presidential candidates, and both have refreshingly provided specific – if not precise – statements on space.

In a short page on his campaign website, presumptive Republican nominee John McCain says he is “proud to have sponsored legislation authorizing funding consistent with the President’s vision for the space program, which includes a return of astronauts to the Moon in preparation for a manned mission to Mars.” This convoluted statement, which seems to imply that he wants us to continue to work on Constellation’s Moon/Mars goals, falls under the airy lead quote attributed to McCain: “Let us now embark upon this great journey into the stars to find whatever may await us.”

Clinton, meanwhile, in a science policy statement issued on Sputnik’s 50th anniversary, said she wants “a balanced strategy of robust human spaceflight, expanded robotic spaceflight, and enhanced space science activities.” While she hasn’t endorsed Moon/Mars, she has spoken of the need to develop the Ares launch vehicle. Her policy does imply that she might seek a reorienting of NASA priorities, in that it specifically calls for more money for Earth monitoring, climate change studies, and aeronautics.
Obama in Wyoming

As fate would have it, I had the chance to ask Obama about his policy at a recent town hall meeting in Wyoming. In an unlikely scenario, both he and Clinton were stumping through this lightly populated, heavily Republican state in their tight battle for convention delegates. While Clinton did not take questions at her Casper rally, Obama did.

Frankly, Obama showed himself to be eloquent, forthright, smart, and engaging. Watching him in person, it was easy to see why he has become the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination. Personally, I now have no doubt he would be a formidable opponent to John McCain in the general election.

Mine was the third question after his short speech, after one off-mike query that I think was an autograph request, and another about the plight of Native American children on Wyoming’s Wind River Reservation.

After a brief summary of the policy, I asked, “Why are you specifically pitting the space program against education, and where’s the vision in shutting down the [human] space program?”

My question, and Senator Obama’s response, were included in several newspaper accounts. As recounted by John McCormick of the Chicago Tribune:

During the question-and-answer portion of an event at a recreational center here, Obama was asked about the nation's space program.

“I grew up on Star Trek,” Obama said. “I believe in the final frontier.”

But Obama said he does not agree with the way the space program is now being run and thinks funding should be trimmed until the mission is clearer.

“NASA has lost focus and is no longer associated with inspiration,” he said. “I don't think our kids are watching the space shuttle launches. It used to be a remarkable thing. It doesn't even pass for news anymore.”

Obama seemed to resent my question. A little later, he addressed another on energy, and spoke of the need for an alternative energy effort. He concluded by turning to my direction and saying pointedly, “And that, sir, is what our next Apollo Program should be.”

It was clear to me that, at least as of early March 2008, Barack Obama is vocally insistent that we should forget about the Moon or Mars, and use the money to fund part of his Zero-to-Five Plan.
Where is everybody?

Even if this policy were merely election-year posturing, even if Congress would squelch such a plan, the space community faces a good possibility of having four or eight years under an antagonistic President who considers space little more than a budget target.

If enacted, of course, it would have a significant impact on the future of space, especially coming as it does with the scheduled end of the shuttle in 2010, concerns over a space workforce “brain drain” akin to that after Apollo, and uncertainty over the future course of space exploration.

Wouldn’t spaceflight advocates at least respond to the notion that exploration is superfluous enough to be de-funded to pay a fraction of the cost of a pre-K education initiative?

Wouldn’t those inclined to see the current Moon/Mars effort scrapped for something else, such as a “better” space effort, or a movement towards more commercial spaceflight, use this as an opportunity to advocate their visions?

For a variety of reasons, the answer appears to be basically “No.” I decided to find out why, and that will be the subject of Part 2 of this article.
I wouldn't care if half of America's population was dying of starvation, NASA is the last place I'd make cuts. No vote for Obama from me.
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Did he ever have your vote?
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Spang wrote:Did he ever have your vote?
What a smarmy asshole you are. That new bit of info Winnow put up is pretty fucking important. Stopping our progress into Space. Where's the long-term thinking here? The big picture, if you will. :)
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