Obama WILL be the next president

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » May 13, 2008, 2:07 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Oh I guarantee a way they could clean up those neighborhoods and never have a problem with it again. You fry every single one of the murderers and people will stop murdering.

I do not agree with this. Check out their life expectency already. I don't think you are as afraid to die when it is already an expected result.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 13, 2008, 2:07 pm

Forthe wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Michelle Obama won't allow that to happen.
Would you let your wife stand between Hillary and the presidency?

My wife? No. But, maybe Barack and Michelle have a very strong love and relationship that goes beyond political ambition. LOL, nm.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » May 13, 2008, 2:14 pm

Forthe wrote:Would you let your wife stand between Hillary and losing the presidency?

Fixed. And yes. Presidency is 4-8 years. Living with a pissed off black woman is for life - and not a good life either.

He's intelligent enough to know that adding Hillary to the ticket would insure a loss. He's also intelligent enough to know that if he did that, all his talk about 'Change' would be out the window as well because Hillary represents everything bad he is saying needs changed.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 13, 2008, 2:39 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I would sent in the National Guard and yank every one of these little thugs out of there.

Haven't you heard? Guns are the only thing stopping a dictatorship. Those thugs with guns would stop the National Guard in it's tracks, no problem. The National Guard wouldn't stand a chance.

I think in the perfect Utopia, everyone would have a gun. More guns is a great solution to everything, especially if they are easy to hide and are designed to kill lots and lots of ~~people~~ clay pigeons and paper targets.

And no, Hillary will not be VP.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 13, 2008, 2:40 pm

So, who do you think he'll choose as a running mate?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 13, 2008, 2:45 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:So, who do you think he'll choose as a running mate?

Whomever all the polls and studies the DNC does says will be his best bet at getting in.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 13, 2008, 2:50 pm

Tiger Woods

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » May 13, 2008, 3:00 pm

You know...you really are a moron Fairweather. I am glad you live in a dream world where everyone is happy and cuddles like a group of care bears, but I see people that have no moral compass or value to society that are a serious issue and your stance is that an inanimate object is the bane of all existence. Why don't we start by disarming the police and then all the happy people can follow suit?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 13, 2008, 3:02 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:You know...you really are a moron Fairweather. I am glad you live in a dream world where everyone is happy and cuddles like a group of care bears, but I see people that have no moral compass or value to society that are a serious issue and your stance is that an inanimate object is the bane of all existence. Why don't we start by disarming the police and then all the happy people can follow suit?

That post sure took a lot of balls. I bet you were holding a gun when you wrote that.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » May 13, 2008, 3:07 pm

Nope....but I will be later.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » May 13, 2008, 3:20 pm

Post by **Sylvus** » May 13, 2008, 3:37 pm

I will now forever picture Walter Sobchak when I read a post by kilmoll. Thanks for the visual!

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » May 13, 2008, 3:40 pm

Forthe wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Oh I guarantee a way they could clean up those neighborhoods and never have a problem with it again. You fry every single one of the murderers and people will stop murdering.
I do not agree with this. Check out their life expectency already. I don't think you are as afraid to die when it is already an expected result.

Exactly. Death penalty for drug kingpins? Like they don't already live with the chance of being blown to bits every day? If anything, executions are more humane...

The preventative effect of capital punishment has - as far as I know - never been proven.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 13, 2008, 3:40 pm

Over the line!

Noysyrump · Post by **Noysyrump** » May 13, 2008, 4:45 pm

Disarm the population, they dont need guns. Crime will stop. Everyone can stand around smelling daiseys. Tell that to 60 million russians and 6 million jews.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » May 13, 2008, 4:52 pm

I have always and will always support the right of rednecks and gangsters to cling to their guns and their god because these rights were given to them in the constitution. I overlook the fact that these acts represent a serious psychological insecurity which these people will never have the intelligence to understand. Despite kilmoll's complete ignorance as to how ilfuckinglogical his arguments are, his trump card is the constitution which I agree with him on. As I said before, I don't agree with Obama on every issue, but he is infinitely better than the the dinosaur the GoP is offering.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » May 13, 2008, 5:07 pm

Noysyrump wrote:Disarm the population, they dont need guns. Crime will stop. Everyone can stand around smelling daiseys. Tell that to 60 million russians and 6 million jews.

You don't need to disarm people, just control your supply chains and weed out the slimeballs selling guns to Omar (can't believe a kid took him out!!). Currently crime is a profit driver for gun manufacturers down there. Canadian gangs get their guns from the US.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 13, 2008, 5:55 pm

Forthe wrote:Canadian gangs get their guns from the US.

hehe, "Canadian Gangs"

Give us your money you hoser!

That gang took my tuque!

Noysyrump · Post by **Noysyrump** » May 13, 2008, 6:08 pm

Winnow wrote:
Forthe wrote:Canadian gangs get their guns from the US.
hehe, "Canadian Gangs"

Give us your money you hoser!

That gang took my tuque!

ROFL... Yeh I was hit by that line too. They have gangs in Canada? I guess it's not all Terrance and Phillip.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » May 13, 2008, 6:10 pm

LOL CANADA SUCKS LOL LIKE AMERICAS GAY COUSIN ROFL THATS FUCKING HILARIOUS

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 13, 2008, 6:15 pm

Nick wrote:LOL CANADA SUCKS LOL LIKE AMERICAS GAY COUSIN ROFL THATS FUCKING HILARIOUS

Canadians are funny. Irish are pathetic.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » May 13, 2008, 6:17 pm

Winnow wrote:
Forthe wrote:Canadian gangs get their guns from the US.
hehe, "Canadian Gangs"

Give us your money you hoser!

That gang took my tuque!

heh spaz. Unfortunately in the larger cities we do. Toronto and Vancouver being the worst I believe.

Now a Newf crime spree is a serial cornerstore thief using a concealed knife. We also had a bad string of car breakins.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » May 13, 2008, 6:24 pm

Winnow wrote:usual shitty garbage

Says an American.

hahahaha

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » May 13, 2008, 6:25 pm

Think I'll return the favor Winnow. Your president (didn't you vote for this guy?):

Mother's Day is a sad day for those who lost their lives in Oklahoma and Missouri and Georgia because of the tornadoes, are wondering whether or not tomorrow will be a bright and hopeful day.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 80511.html

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 13, 2008, 6:25 pm

Nick wrote:
Winnow wrote:usual shitty garbage
Says an American.

This doesn't even make sense.

Edit: Nick - can you give me an accurate guess of how often you make a post and then immediately edit it? It seems like every single time I quote something you write (which we know isn't terribly infrequently) you have edited it before I submit my post..

Nick · Post by **Nick** » May 13, 2008, 6:26 pm

If perhaps you're a fucking moron. (?)

Edit: Probably as much as anyone else does, but thanks for noticing..... ??

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 14, 2008, 2:18 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGm8vT7sIhg

Yeah, what a candidate. So well spoken. Doesn't stumble all over his words and thoughts like Bush at all.

Post by **Sylvus** » May 14, 2008, 2:25 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGm8vT7sIhg

Yeah, what a candidate. So well spoken. Doesn't stumble all over his words and thoughts like Bush at all.

you're so cute!

get back to me when Bush can say the words "cellulosic ethanol" (without a teleprompter, no less) without bursting a blood vessel.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » May 14, 2008, 2:27 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGm8vT7sIhg

Yeah, what a candidate. So well spoken. Doesn't stumble all over his words and thoughts like Bush at all.

I was watching this looking for a gaffe or something Bush-like, and I didn't notice anything.

Barack was talking without a script and it sounded like normal speech, to me... Bush can't even read a teleprompter correctly!

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 14, 2008, 2:31 pm

There was nothing Bush-like about that portion of the speech.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » May 14, 2008, 2:33 pm

make a post and then immediately edit it

Constantly. I despise typos and unfinished sentences and often catch them right after I post. Especially if I hop around when editing. What is wrong with that? It's not backpedaling to clarify or edit your post. The written word is not the spoken word, you have time to ponder, revise and reorder thoughts and arguments.

Back on Topic: Why is Clinton still in the Democratic Race? Obama has her beat soundly and there's no math that would change that. Obama should use this point when he discusses how we should stress science and mathematics for our education system.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 14, 2008, 2:37 pm

Try this one on for size.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae-Ak9WuUio

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 14, 2008, 2:39 pm

Ashur wrote:
make a post and then immediately edit it
Constantly. I despise typos and unfinished sentences and often catch them right after I post. Especially if I hop around when editing. What is wrong with that? It's not backpedaling to clarify or edit your post. The written word is not the spoken word, you have time to ponder, revise and reorder thoughts and arguments.

Back on Topic: Why is Clinton still in the Democratic Race? Obama has her beat soundly and there's no math that would change that. Obama should use this point when he discusses how we should stress science and mathematics for our education system.

Except w/ him that's not it. He will make a post that's like 3 words long then edit it and change it to be a big paragraph, or he'll make a big long post then edit it and make it two words...

I just think it's funny, I've been criticized for not thinking out what I say before I post, and even I think things out better than that most of the time

Was just pointing out something I thought was amusing.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 14, 2008, 2:41 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Try this one on for size.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae-Ak9WuUio

He doesn't know what language they speak in Afghanistan? I think it's time for me to change my support to McCain!

By the way, Midnyte, (without looking it up) what language do they speak in Afghanistan?

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » May 14, 2008, 2:42 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGm8vT7sIhg

Yeah, what a candidate. So well spoken. Doesn't stumble all over his words and thoughts like Bush at all.

"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."
"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."
"I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft."
"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."
"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
"They misunderestimated me."
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

Yup Obama stumbles over his words just like Bush.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » May 14, 2008, 2:43 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Try this one on for size.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae-Ak9WuUio

And?

Everyone stumbles over their words at times. Obama, overall, is a brilliant speaker, whether scripted or improvised like in these clips. He's better composed, more eloquent, and more inspiring than the other candidates. Bush is so far out of Obama's league in this regard that it doesn't even warrant comparison. Cherry picking a stray misstep hardly proves anything, other than what we already know about you.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » May 14, 2008, 2:49 pm

Obama does uhm and ahh a lot. But when people will take this:

JG: Do you think that Israel is a drag on America's reputation overseas?
BO: No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy. The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions, and so we have a national-security interest in solving this, and I also believe that Israel has a security interest in solving this because I believe that the status quo is unsustainable.

And turn it into this:

"Israel is a critical American ally and a beacon of democracy in the Middle East, not a 'constant sore' as Barack Obama claims. Obama's latest remark, and his commitment to 'opening a dialogue' with sponsors of terrorism, echoes past statements by Jimmy Carter who once called Israel an 'apartheid state.' It's another sign that Obama is part of the broken Washington Americans are rejecting."
--House Republican leader John Boehner, press release, May 12, 2008

He needs to be hyper sensitive to the words he uses.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 14, 2008, 2:50 pm

I don't have a problem with it either. I just to make sure you see the bits the pieces you won't see on the Obama TV Networks. He is human. McCain is human. Bush is human. I don't think Obama has a chance at winning in November. If I'm wrong, I'll back him 100%. I won't be thrilled with his liberal philosophies, but I won't blame him as much as I blame the philosophies and his party.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » May 14, 2008, 2:57 pm

You're the one that relies primarily on Imus, Drudge and VV for your news. I'd wager that most of the active participants in this thread, or the forum in general, are better informed, better read and more "in touch" with reality than you are.

Thanks for working slavishly to make sure that we get the "big picture (tm)"

Fash · Post by **Fash** » May 14, 2008, 2:59 pm

Xatrei wrote:I'd wager that most of the active participants in this thread, or the forum in general, are better informed, better read and more "in touch" with reality than you are.

I'll take that bet. I think you're wrong.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » May 14, 2008, 3:01 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Try this one on for size.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae-Ak9WuUio

This one is a bit silly. He mentions Pashto later and I bet nobody in his audiance knew wtf Pashto was before but they probably all knew what arabic was.

I don't know how he manages to say anything with the crazy scrutinization he is under.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 14, 2008, 4:00 pm

LOL. Awesome. Bush was bashed for embracing his christianity. Do you folks feel the same way about your man Obama?

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » May 14, 2008, 4:07 pm

Obama has been forced to play up his Christian beliefs because of the whisperings of the "he's a Muslim" crowd. Criticisms of Bush's religiosity have largely been due to his Faith-Based Initiative, his overt pandering to the religious right, and the fact that he wears his faith on his sleeve. Let's not forgetthe fact that he says things like "god told me that this is what I should do," a little too frequently for many people's comfort. That's a pretty significant difference from Obama having to reassure nervous fundamentalists that he doesn't believe in the "wrong" religion. This is a game that all candidates are forced to play, to a certain degree, so I won't begrudge him for giving a deferential nod to the faithful of the country. If he ever crosses the line into rabid fundamentalist territory (like G-Dub), I'll worry.

Personally, I'd prefer it if a candidate's faith was not an issue, but so long as such a large portion of the electorate insists upon it being an issue, there's no way to avoid it.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » May 14, 2008, 4:12 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:

LOL. Awesome. Bush was bashed for embracing his christianity. Do you folks feel the same way about your man Obama?

Yup.

Edit: I see Xatrei's point. I'm just used to religion free politics (but way shorter and boring) here.

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » May 14, 2008, 4:25 pm

I "bashed" Bush for his "Christianity" because it seemed to me that he Got Religion around the same time he Got Political Ambition and because born again Christians freak me out - no zealot like a convert, and all that. I have no opinion on Obamas faith, haven't looked into it at all.

Post by **Sylvus** » May 14, 2008, 4:31 pm

If Obama's administration doesn't believe in Evolution, restricts stem-cell research, preaches abstinence-only sex education or any of the other religion-based nincompoopery foisted upon us by the Bush administration, yes, I'll criticize him for that.

I don't think anyone on these boards has a problem with someone being religious. The problem is with religious people trying to force their beliefs on others.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 14, 2008, 4:41 pm

Sylvus wrote:If Obama's administration doesn't believe in Evolution, restricts stem-cell research, preaches abstinence-only sex education or any of the other religion-based nincompoopery foisted upon us by the Bush administration, yes, I'll criticize him for that.

I don't think anyone on these boards has a problem with someone being religious. The problem is with religious people trying to force their beliefs on others.

If you truly believe in your religion, then evolution cannot be.
Stem-cell research has only been limited to non-embryonic. Science has shown they can do quite well without embryonic.
The school system don't preach abstinence only sex ed. They assume all kids will have sex and let them know about birth control and even provide it in many schools.
The faith based social services plan Bush put forth, did no harm. It only rewarded those service agencies who happened to be faith based.

Any other concerns?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » May 14, 2008, 4:52 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:If you truly believe in your religion, then evolution cannot be.

This is a retarded statement. There is no passage anywhere in the Bible that says that evolution does not exist. It is the interpretations of humans that throws their own shit into the mix that says that.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 14, 2008, 4:54 pm

I respect Obama's religious background and faith, but fear Bush's. Obama is the guy I work with that happens to go to church but I would never know it, and Bush is the guy that dosen't shut the fuck up about it and wants to change the world based on his beliefs. It's preacher vs evangalist. The preacher is a tool for god, the evangalist is using god as a tool.

I don't forsee Obama's faith playing a large part in public policy.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » May 14, 2008, 5:16 pm

Sylvus wrote:I don't think anyone on these boards has a problem with someone being religious. The problem is with religious people trying to force their beliefs on others.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that first sentence. While I'm too lazy to use the search function to cite specific examples, I can think of several times where Nick, Winnow and the "atheist intellectual elite" (like being mentioned in the same sentence guys?) mocked anyone who believed in a higher power and even started threads specifically for that that purpose.

Maybe amend that to "While most people don't have a problem with religion, they usually have a problem with zealots" and I would agree, and place myself in that category (and that includes zealots of atheism, I really don't give a shit if you believe in God or think all religion a delusional crutch for the weak minded, get off your fucking high horse shitheads).