The Official PS3 thread!

[miir]

Or were you just being a stubborn little bitch?

[Boogahz]

Or were you just being a stubborn little bitch?

wow, you're, um, funny.

A simple request had to be made several times before you could even pretend to post what was asked, yet you discount any numbers anyone else quotes without links. URWinnerz

tip to make it easier on you next time: If you have the stats open in another window/tab, using copy and paste on the address bar can answer questions faster than being an interweb fucktard

[miir]

Here's a few links to the June 2008 NPD numbers:

http://blogs.pcworld.com/gameon/archives/007306.html
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financia ... VTD6G0.htm
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/b ... 358700.ece
http://www.informationweek.com/news/per ... Management
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/ ... rfs18.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/internet ... 4020080718
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technol ... aysta.html
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/p ... dist=msr_1
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfg ... y_id=28286
http://uk.reuters.com/article/technolog ... 1720080717
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... efer=japan
http://www.techspot.com/news/30924-wii- ... in-us.html
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/2 ... ole-sales/
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=195721
http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=M ... FzdCwsLDE=
http://www.nintendic.com/news/2760
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 ... nsole.html
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_i ... tory=19478
http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-arti ... -u-s-sales
http://www.thetechherald.com/article.ph ... sales-jump
http://www.n-sider.com/contentview.php?contentid=3750
http://www.dbtechno.com/gaming/2008/07/ ... nsole-war/
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_NPD_Nint ... 20546.html
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/31291/US-PS3- ... ware-sales
http://news.portalit.net/fullnews_wii-o ... _1414.html
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2008/07/18 ... d-4-boost/
http://news.spong.com/article/15844/Off ... sole_in_US
http://www.videogamer.com/news/18-07-2008-8858.html
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Nintendo ... 20536.html
http://www.videogamer.com/news/18-07-2008-8857.html


That was page 1 of related stories.
I could post hundreds more if you like.

[miir]

Or were you just being a stubborn little bitch?

wow, you're, um, funny.

A simple request had to be made several times before you could even pretend to post what was asked, yet you discount any numbers anyone else quotes without links. URWinnerz

What the fuck is your problem?
I totally missed the first post where Aardor asked me where I got my figures becuase I was responding to funk's moronic posts.

When he asked the second time, I gave specific sources. I apologise for not adding a .com to those source names but I figured he had enough internet savvy to figure it out.

You're the only one who seems too fucking stupid or stubborn to find the information on your own.

[Funkmasterr]

Or were you just being a stubborn little bitch?

wow, you're, um, funny.

A simple request had to be made several times before you could even pretend to post what was asked, yet you discount any numbers anyone else quotes without links. URWinnerz

What the fuck is your problem?
I totally missed the first post where Aardor asked me where I got my figures becuase I was responding to funk's moronic posts.

When he asked the second time, I gave specific sources. I apologise for not adding a .com to those source names but I figured he had enough internet savvy to figure it out.

You're the only one who seems too fucking stupid or stubborn to find the information on your own.

The point is, asshole, that you come into threads and throw out random information without sourcing it. You have none of these consoles so honestly I don't know why your such a prick about any conversation related to them, but it's like beginning to end you are going out of your way to annoy people and make a conversation more hostile than it already is.

Fairweather mentioned a good point too, which is that the 360 software sales rape the other two so hard it's almost funny.. Software sales are what make the $, and measure the success of the console, and ANYONE in that industry would tell you precisely that..

So on top of everything else, you are being selective about what side of the whole bigger picture you want to toss facts around about.

[miir]

The point is, asshole, that you come into threads and throw out random information without sourcing it.

You didn't even fucking ask.... and when asked, I did source it.
I'm sorry that it took 36 minutes (from when first asked) for me to post the source of my information.
I'll try to be more prompt next time.

have none of these consoles so honestly I don't know why your such a prick about any conversation related to them, but it's like beginning to end you are going out of your way to annoy people and make a conversation more hostile than it already is.

What consoles I own is completely irrelevant.
And again, I'm sorry that you get annoyed when I post sales figures.
I really have no idea why anyone would get so upset or annoyed by sales figures.

Fairweather mentioned a good point too, which is that the 360 software sales rape the other two so hard it's almost funny..

And it may actually be true... but considering the 12 month advantage the 360 had, it's really not surprising.
If you look up the NPD sales figures from the past 6 months, you would have noticed that software sales are trending in Nintendo's favor. Heck, 6 of the top 10 last month were Nintendo games.

So on top of everything else, you are being selective about what side of the whole bigger picture you want to toss facts around about

I posted some sales figures and made an observation (based on those sales figures) that the PS3 was having a strong year.


YOU are the one taking sides.
YOU are the foaming-at-the-mouth 360 fanboy retard.
YOU are the one whe gets all upset and emotional when pointed out that your beloved 360 is not longer the dominant video game console.

[Funkmasterr]

The point is, asshole, that you come into threads and throw out random information without sourcing it.

You didn't even fucking ask.... and when asked, I did source it.
I'm sorry that it took 36 minutes (from when first asked) for me to post the source of my information.
I'll try to be more prompt next time.

have none of these consoles so honestly I don't know why your such a prick about any conversation related to them, but it's like beginning to end you are going out of your way to annoy people and make a conversation more hostile than it already is.

What consoles I own is completely irrelevant.
And again, I'm sorry that you get annoyed when I post sales figures.
I really have no idea why anyone would get so upset or annoyed by sales figures.

Fairweather mentioned a good point too, which is that the 360 software sales rape the other two so hard it's almost funny..

And it may actually be true... but considering the 12 month advantage the 360 had, it's really not surprising.
If you look up the NPD sales figures from the past 6 months, you would have noticed that software sales are trending in Nintendo's favor. Heck, 6 of the top 10 last month were Nintendo games.

So on top of everything else, you are being selective about what side of the whole bigger picture you want to toss facts around about

I posted some sales figures and made an observation (based on those sales figures) that the PS3 was having a strong year.


YOU are the one taking sides.
YOU are the foaming-at-the-mouth 360 fanboy retard.
YOU are the one whe gets all upset and emotional when pointed out that your beloved 360 is not longer the dominant video game console.

Dude, fucking wake up. You annoy me, not the 360 "no longer being the dominant console". Fanboy is a fucking retarded bullshit word anyhow. I like Microsofts product, I like it so much that I have confidence that it is the superior product. And unlike YOU, I have the 360, the Wii, and have spent a fair amount of time playing with my brothers PS3. I know what I am talking about first hand.

The biggest problem I have with you is that you are instigating shit, being a prick, and then acting like you didn't do any of that and instead pointing at me and saying I'm a foaming fanboy. Just shut the fuck up for once.

[miir]

I'm basing my comments on sales figures...
You're basing your comments on your personal enjoyment of the consoles.

My criteria is objective.
Your criteria is subjective.

You obviously do not understand the difference between the two.

[miir]

Maybe I can break it down for you:


Subjective: The PS3 will never sell as much as the 360 because the 360 is best.
Objective: Based on trends, total woldwide sales of the PS3 will come very close to the 360 by the end of 2008.

Subjective: I think the PS3 is having a mediocre year.
Objective: The PS3 is having a strong year because it has been outselling the 360 by 25%

[Funkmasterr]

I'm basing my comments on sales figures...
You're basing your comments on your personal enjoyment of the consoles.

My criteria is objective.
Your criteria is subjective.

You obviously do not understand the difference between the two.

I fully understand the difference.

You based your information on sales figures that were misleading to the overall point because of the software sales issue we touched on.

But whatever. You are far too good to ever concede a point so I'll quit replying to you.. Not actually sure why I started to begin with.

EDIT: My enjoyment/opinions is subjective. However, anyone who honestly thinks the PS3 is the superior product (regardless of sales numbers) is in need of an adjustment. I could post some numbers for you too, from this months game informer.. Where the 360 beat the other two consoles in every category (and there were a lot) in the people surveyed. But the numbers I would post, and the numbers you posted, are just as subjective because they don't properly represent the bigger picture.

Let me know if that's too much to understand.

[miir]

You based your information on sales figures that were misleading to the overall point because of the software sales issue we touched on.

How the fuck can raw data be misleading?

If you want to talk about software sales, post some figures and observations.
The observations I made were concerning only hardware sales.

My enjoyment/opinions is subjective. However, anyone who honestly thinks the PS3 is the superior product (regardless of sales numbers) is in need of an adjustment.

There you go again throwing out subjective criteria.


From a technical and features standpoint, the PS3 is far superior to the 360 and the Wii.
From a sales standpoint, the Wii is far superior than the PS3 and 360.
From a Funkmasterr standpoint, the 360 is a superior product.

See if you can figure out which one is subjective.

I could post some numbers for you too, from this months game informer.. Where the 360 beat the other two consoles in every category (and there were a lot) in the people surveyed. But the numbers I would post, and the numbers you posted, are just as subjective because they don't properly represent the bigger picture.

I truly believe that you don't understand the difference between subjective and objective.
It's really no wonder that your debating skills are so embarrasingly underdeveloped.

[Sabek]

Honestly, WHO THE FUCK CARES?

If you like PS3 buy PS3.
If you like 360 buy 360.
If you like both buy both.

I never understood why people have to come to message boards and be complete asses about shit that has no real bearing in life.
Why do people need to justify buying a particular console?

Did you buy it, do you enjoy playing it? Who really cares what someone else says about it.

I personally don't want and won't buy a PS3 but I don't see the need to come bitch about them in every thread.

[Funkmasterr]

Explain to me how my comment on Game Informer leads you to your latest smart ass comment?

You posted numbers, doesn't matter where they came from. They stated the sales, and that the PS3 was ahead of the 360 in said category for the last month. You used this data to imply that the PS3 is the better product.


I mentioned data (that is just as relevant) from actual PEOPLE THAT OWN THESE CONSOLES YOU FUCK, and in EVERY SINGLE CATEGORY the people that own these consoles rated the 360 higher than the PS3 OR the Wii. And of the people surveyed, the majority of them owned either the PS3 and 360, or all three consoles..

SO your numbers and mine both elude to the same point, but favoring different sides of the fence.

Your numbers aren't a complete representation of which console is the best because the biggest factor to that (software sales) is not included.

My numbers aren't a complete representation of which console is the best because not every single person that owns one of the consoles/develops for them/etc took the survey.

There is no difference, you just have the same elitist fucktard attitude that is common here.

[Aardor]

From a technical and features standpoint, the PS3 is far superior to the 360 and the Wii.

I disagree that the PS3 is far superior to the 360 technically. Of all the reviews I have read for games that are on both systems, the 360 generally has the same quality of graphics, or better, and has a whole lot less problems such as lock ups. Theoretically, the cell processor system should be technically superior to the 360's processor system, but in reality, no one is able to use it to it's full potential due to the difficulty in programming it. I don't call that being technically superior, it reminds me of when Intel processors had higher clock speeds than AMD processors, and the advertising was that Intel processors were superior, when AMD blew them out of the water.

However, it seems like the 360 has been pushed to its limits pretty much, and that while gameplay will still become faster/better looking, it won't be much of a drastic change. This is in contrast to the PS3 still having tons of potential in the processing department, but until someone is actually able to use that potential, I think calling the PS3 technically better than the 360 is incorrect.

[Funkmasterr]

Honestly, WHO THE FUCK CARES?

If you like PS3 buy PS3.
If you like 360 buy 360.
If you like both buy both.

I never understood why people have to come to message boards and be complete asses about shit that has no real bearing in life.
Why do people need to justify buying a particular console?

Did you buy it, do you enjoy playing it? Who really cares what someone else says about it.

I personally don't want and won't buy a PS3 but I don't see the need to come bitch about them in every thread.

Because I feel that the 360 is a great product, and I defend it for that reason.

That and I like pissing one people like miir's parade and generally making them feel shitty in any way I possibly can, any time I possibly can. Because they fucking deserve it.

[Funkmasterr]

From a technical and features standpoint, the PS3 is far superior to the 360 and the Wii.

I disagree that the PS3 is far superior to the 360 technically. Of all the reviews I have read for games that are on both systems, the 360 generally has the same quality of graphics, or better, and has a whole lot less problems such as lock ups. Theoretically, the cell processor system should be technically superior to the 360's processor system, but in reality, no one is able to use it to it's full potential due to the difficulty in programming it. I don't call that being technically superior, it reminds me of when Intel processors had higher clock speeds than AMD processors, and the advertising was that Intel processors were superior, when AMD blew them out of the water.

However, it seems like the 360 has been pushed to its limits pretty much, and that while gameplay will still become faster/better looking, it won't be much of a drastic change. This is in contrast to the PS3 still having tons of potential in the processing department, but until someone is actually able to use that potential, I think calling the PS3 technically better than the 360 is incorrect.

That and the 360 has more RAM to for the software to use. 50% of the PS3's RAM is used for the system itself and not for software. This is a huge technical advantage the 360 has that has been pointed out by COUNTLESS developers.

[Aardor]

From a technical and features standpoint, the PS3 is far superior to the 360 and the Wii.

I disagree that the PS3 is far superior to the 360 technically. Of all the reviews I have read for games that are on both systems, the 360 generally has the same quality of graphics, or better, and has a whole lot less problems such as lock ups. Theoretically, the cell processor system should be technically superior to the 360's processor system, but in reality, no one is able to use it to it's full potential due to the difficulty in programming it. I don't call that being technically superior, it reminds me of when Intel processors had higher clock speeds than AMD processors, and the advertising was that Intel processors were superior, when AMD blew them out of the water.

However, it seems like the 360 has been pushed to its limits pretty much, and that while gameplay will still become faster/better looking, it won't be much of a drastic change. This is in contrast to the PS3 still having tons of potential in the processing department, but until someone is actually able to use that potential, I think calling the PS3 technically better than the 360 is incorrect.

That and the 360 has more RAM to for the software to use. 50% of the PS3's RAM is used for the system itself and not for software. This is a huge technical advantage the 360 has that has been pointed out by COUNTLESS developers.

Right, I was more trying to talk about the whole system, not just the specific processor, but I really didn't make that clear. That means CPU(s), GPU(s), and RAM, which gets even more garbled together as one "system" with the cell processor.

Why can't either of them pump out 1080p60 =(.

[miir]

Explain to me how my comment on Game Informer leads you to your latest smart ass comment?
You posted numbers, doesn't matter where they came from. They stated the sales, and that the PS3 was ahead of the 360 in said category for the last month. You used this data to imply that the PS3 is the better product.

Please quote the exact sentence, phrase or paragraph where I implied that any console was better than the other.

I mentioned data (that is just as relevant) from actual PEOPLE THAT OWN THESE CONSOLES YOU FUCK, and in EVERY SINGLE CATEGORY the people that own these consoles rated the 360 higher than the PS3 OR the Wii. And of the people surveyed, the majority of them owned either the PS3 and 360, or all three consoles..

It's a fucking survey...
It's subjective opinion.

SO your numbers and mine both elude to the same point, but favoring different sides of the fence.

I did not elude to anything.

Your numbers aren't a complete representation of which console is the best because the biggest factor to that (software sales) is not included.

I don't give a fuck about which console is best because thats a pointless discussion.
There's a metric fuckton of blogs and videogame websites where you can have that discussion ad nauseum with people who mirror your maturity and intelligence level.

It's like arguing about which colour is better... red or blue.

I disagree that the PS3 is far superior to the 360 technically.

Far superior was a bit of an embellishment.
It's definitely far superior to the Wii.
As for the 360, I think you're right in that we've probably seen the best it's capable of... and I also agree that most of the PS3's potential is still untapped.

We'll see how that plays out.

[Jice Virago]

You guys also have to remember that the PS3 is completely new and unique, as far as developing on it is concerned, making it a difficult platform to really use the full potential. The 360 is just a glorified PC, so its not especially difficult to develop for, in comparison (in fact, the Wii has similar issues in this regard) because you are basically developing for a PC where you know the exact hardware specs. The PS2 really underwent a long growing pain period of a similar nature, for the exact same reasons. Also, it is a hell of a lot easier for multiplatform developers to simply dumb down the PS3 version of a game to match the 360, than do the reverse, especially with the radically different graphics systems. This is why some games look superior on the 360 right now, because the code and techniques have been out there and refined for quite a while on the PC platform, wheras programers are just getting started on the PS3.

And, really, the Wii is in the same boat right now. It is technically superior to both the Xbox1 and Ps2, but you wouldn't know it too look at the games out right now because the Nintendo crowd will by a box of unadulterated shit as long as it has a picture of Mario/Link/Shamus on the cover. It is actually even harder to do ports for than the PS3, as well, with examples of excellent PS2 games that came out clunky and shitty (hi2u Okami). The lowered bar and casual appeal have helped them move systems, but their title sales have been dogshit compared to every other platform out there.

I think we are probably looking at another year or two before the design community catches up to the new hardware, for both the PS3 and Wii. The PSP and DS both had similar development cycles and both are now getting some really amazing games with solid graphics and gameplay, especially the PSP in rescent months. The 360 is about as good as it is going to get, right now, outside of minor tweaks to the dashboard, controllers, and OS, which is part of why I suspect that M$ is unloading the cash penis this summer to snap up exclusives and encourage RPG development. I think this is a smart move for them, because once people start getting bored of shooters, they are going to need to draw people in elsewhere. I imagine they are also pretty butthurt about supporting Toshiba and want to take a massive PR shit on Sony (and they did an excellent job of this at E3) to make up for it. Finally, the fact that PS2 sales are catching up to the 360 lately probably has not escaped their notice, either. It will be interesting to see how long MS is willing to keep the game division funded, in any case, since their original goal was to make the 360 a media center platform and that is the one area where the PS3 has consitently crushed them, while they are gaining leverage in the game market which they supposedly have less interest in.

[Fash]

I know it's convenient to say the PS3 is still 'new and unique,' but they've been using the development kits for a few years now so that excuse is pretty old and retarded. The excuse that it completely sucks/sucks to develop for is still valid, though.

[Winnow]

How many years to we get to hear the PS3 is "new and unique"?

How about, "a bitch to program for with an off the shelf graphics card thrown in at the last minute" and low on memory so can't squeeze in all the textures developers want.

[miir]

How many years to we get to hear the PS3 is "new and unique"?

How about, "a bitch to program for with an off the shelf graphics card thrown in at the last minute" and low on memory so can't squeeze in all the textures developers want.

And despite that, it's still been outselling the 360.

[Winnow]

And despite that, it's still been outselling the 360.

McDonalds outsells a lot of restaurants as well. Is that the best food you've had or are you one of the lemmings that goes there everyday, sucked in by the marketing and that freakish clown Ronald? It's MCDONALDS! Serve me up another grease burger! At least that gives your stomach the rumble feature I guess. Like smoking, some people learn over the years that maybe the same old fast food isn't the best for you. Same goes for consoles. Things change. 360 = grilled chicken. Wii = a bag of rice.

More people will eat chicken next month. Starbucks are closing all over the country.

[miir]

What a pitiful analogy.
You're just grasping at straws.

[Fairweather Pure]

I say PS3 has 2 different customers buying it. Movie lovers for Blu Ray, and gamers. By looking at game sales, it seems more people bought it for a Blu Ray player.

There's nothing wrong with that at all.

[Winnow]

What a pitiful analogy.
You're just grasping at straws.

If Canada was a straw, it'd be one of those curly ones that even the best whore couldn't suck anything through.



Chickenlover! Bawk!

[miir]

By looking at game sales, it seems more people bought it for a Blu Ray player

Looking at what game sales?

[Winnow]

By looking at game sales, it seems more people bought it for a Blu Ray player

Looking at what game sales?

Exactly.

The 360 sells more games per console than the Wii or PS3. Since the PS3 is the cheapest Blu-Ray player, it makes sense that people are buying it for that purpose. The mini surge in PS3 sales was due to MSG4. That's the one game in two years capable of giving the Sony a little bump in sales. Now that's over. Back to normal, and probably worse after MS dominated E3 this year. FFXIII will cause more people to buy 360's than MSG4 duped into buying a PS3.

Was there even a single post made about MSG4 on this board discussing the game play after it's release? Bad sign even if the game is decent.

[miir]

The mini surge in PS3 sales was due to MSG4. That's the one game in two years capable of giving the Sony a little bump in sales. Now that's over. Back to normal, and probably worse after MS dominated E3 this year.

Have you even been paying attention to the console sales this year?
The Wii and PS3 have outsold the 360 in every single market in 2008.
So yea, back to normal... the xbox 360 coming in last place in sales.

[Jice Virago]

Don't confuse the issue with facts. Winnow hates that.

[Chidoro]

Finally, the fact that PS2 sales are catching up to the 360 lately probably has not escaped their notice, either. It will be interesting to see how long MS is willing to keep the game division funded, in any case, since their original goal was to make the 360 a media center platform and that is the one area where the PS3 has consitently crushed them, while they are gaining leverage in the game market which they supposedly have less interest in.

I think the PS2 sales just shows that there is a market for an inexpensive alternative so long as there is still new development for it. The PS2 can look good enough for a lot of consumers and most games are cheap as dirt. If the company can minitutrize the hardware , sell it cheaply but still make money for it, it can sell for a long long time.

[Jice Virago]

That is probably exactly right. It doesn't change the fact that the 360 is in danger of being overtaken in sales by a decade old console and that this would represent a PR nightmare for them, would it come to pass. While big name developers can pick and choose a platform if they want, most small ones have to go for the largest audience (this is a major reason why title selection for the PS3 has been shit) if they want to break out on to the scene.

[miir]

Hehe.. the PS2 has sold like 120 million units... it has no catching up to do to any console.
The 360 will have to sell over 101 million units to catch up to the PS2... and we all know that's not gonna happen.

[Jice Virago]

I meant modern monthly sales.

[miir]

I meant modern monthly sales.

In 2007 (worldwide), the 360 was dominated by the PS2 except for Oct/Nov.
The US sales were a bit closer but the PS2 still outsold the 360 for the first 8 months. The 360 rebounded with a strong surge from Aug to Nov and both consoles had very stong holiday sales. They both got real close to 400k units in Dec.

In 2006, the PS2's wordwide sales dominance was even more pronounced. The 360 was trounced every month, usually by a 2:1 margin.
The US numbers were a little more favorable to the 360 but it only topped the PS2 in sales for the month of April 2006

[Aardor]

Hasn't the PS2 been trouncing every system but the Wii most months since the next gen systems came out (also, not counting handhelds here)?

[Chidoro]

I would agree that it doesn't look too good getting beaten in monthly sales by a 10 year old console if that continues to happen. Then again the PS3 was selling less than the PS2 as well so it's a new phenomenon for set top boxes.
But, if software continues to perform well, devs will continue to support it. I can see this gen of systems lingering on for a long time as a lot of folks still don't even have a TV to get the most out of this gen yet.

[miir]

Hasn't the PS2 been trouncing every system but the Wii most months since the next gen systems came out (also, not counting handhelds here)?

Pretty much.
In 2008, (worldwide) sales (not counting portables) have been pretty static with the Wii leading, PS3 in second, 360 in third and the PS2 at the bottom.

[Winnow]

Just keep on ignoring that attach rate. PS3 has sold something like 20K more units per month than the 360. No big deal considering the total number of units sold per month. At the same time, the 360 is selling a much higher games per unit which is where the actual money is made. You know, PS3 loses money on console sales and all so it would be nice if they actually sold games.

* Xbox 360: Software sales ratio: 7.5
* Wii: Software sales ratio: 5.3
* PS3: Software sales ratio: 4.6
* DS: Software sales ratio: 4.7
* PSP: Software sales ratio: 4.2

Throw in Live subs and sales and the 360 is in 1st as it's always been (between 360/PS3)

[Animalor]

I'm surprised that the Wii has such a software attach ratio.

[miir]

Just keep on ignoring that attach rate.

18 months after release, the 360 had an attach rate of around 5.2....

I won't argue that the attach rate for the 360 hasn't been good but you have to take into account that the relative age and quantity of titles available is a very important factor in the software attach rate.
By comparison, the PS2 had an attach rate of more than 12.

PS3 has sold something like 20K more units per month than the 360. No big deal considering the total number of units sold per month.

Besides the month of June which was pretty much a tie, the PS3 moved between 20k and 230k units more than the 360.
Since Jan 2008, the PS3 has sold over a million more units than the 360. That's more than a 25% sales advantage.
I think 25% is a pretty big deal.

At the same time, the 360 is selling a much higher games per unit which is where the actual money is made.

And everyone knows the games division is a loss leader for Microsoft.

You know, PS3 loses money on console sales and all so it would be nice if they actually sold games.

And they make money on every single BluRay disc sale... I think that number is pretty close to 12 million already.

[Aardor]

I'm surprised that the Wii has such a software attach ratio.

From my brief time looking at various statistics on vgchartz, I think that the high attach ratio can be attributed to Wii Play. On almost all of the months since release, Wii Play has been a top seller. Wii Play itself is absolute garbage (it's like 10 demo games that aren't nearly as fun as Wii sports), but it comes with a Wii Mote. To this day, I can't find a store selling a Wii Mote separately from Wii Play. Would be interesting to see the attachment ratio with the Wii Play numbers taken out.

You know, PS3 loses money on console sales

So does the 360, and the original Xbox did also.

[Winnow]

At the same time, the 360 is selling a much higher games per unit which is where the actual money is made.

And everyone knows the games division is a loss leader for Microsoft.

Actually it's not anymore. They made around half a billion dollars last year.

Microsoft still has some good Xbox news to report following the release of the latest NPD sales data in the US. This shows that PS3 sales are going through the roof following the Metal Gear 4, launch and that the Nintendo Wii has edged ahead of the 360 in terms of overall sales.

The Xbox division has finally posted a profit during the 2007/08 financial year, the first in the groups history! Microsoft reports that it has now sold over 20 million Xbox 360s to date.

You can read the full details of how Microsoft as a whole is currently raking in over $1 billion a week on TechRadar.

As for the Xbox, it's taken a while to get there, but Microsoft's entertainment and devices division has finally confirmed a $426 million profit in the company's fiscal year for 2008, due to the growing success of 360 console and game software sales.

The Microsoft sector has previously had profitable quarters here and there, but this is the first time in Xbox's history that it's had a full profitable year.

[miir]

Just out of curiosity, I checked out amazon and bestbuy to see how many games they carry for each console.
Not surprisingly, the total number of titles on the 360 greatly outnumbered the PS3 and Wii.

Amazon carries 569 titles for the 360 but only 231 for the PS3.

It's actually surprising that the PS3's attach rate is as high as it is considering how few titles are available.

[Winnow]

Just out of curiosity, I checked out amazon and bestbuy to see how many games they carry for each console.
Not surprisingly, the total number of titles on the 360 greatly outnumbered the PS3 and Wii.

Amazon carries 569 titles for the 360 but only 231 for the PS3.

It's actually surprising that the PS3's attach rate is as high as it is considering how few titles are available.

That's Sony's problem. Less games, less exclusives = less number of games sold per unit. Pretty easy to figure out.

How many games does the PS2 have? Uh huh, wow. This is amazing!

And the Wii has an endless supply of crap games to go along with the few good ones.

[miir]

Hehe, so they are starting to recoup the 2+ billion loss from last year?

[Winnow]

Hehe, so they are starting to recoup the 2+ billion loss from last year?

Considering MS makes 1 billion per week as a company, how hard is that? (see above article)

They'll eventually make money off the 360 via software/media sales as they always have. They just needed to get their foot in the door.

[miir]

That's Sony's problem. Less games, less exclusives = less number of games sold per unit. Pretty easy to figure out.

How many games does the PS2 have? Uh huh, wow. This is amazing!

And the Wii has an endless supply of crap games to go along with the few good ones.

Way to completely miss the point, dumbass.
How many games did the 360 have 18 months after release?
What was the 360's attach rate 18 monhts after release.


Keep trolling winnow, I can knock em down as fast as you can set em up.

[miir]

Considering MS makes 1 billion per week as a company, how hard is that? (see above article)

They'll eventually make money off the 360 via software/media sales as they always have. They just needed to get their foot in the door.

You're too stupid to know the difference between profit and revenue?

Sony makes 1.5 billion a week!!!


moron

[Winnow]

Sony makes 1.5 billion a week!!!

source?